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If your son is the 2022 age bracket, what are the best club teams in Westchester and Fairfield counties? Are they Primetime, Predators, Chargers and Eclipse? Or some other Ny or Ct team?

Which ones will give him the best training and ultimately the best recruiting opportunities? Thanks in advance for your help.

Express North should be a consideration.

I thought that long express north and team 91 tristate were too new and needed a couple more seasons for the teams and organizations to gel. The younger LIE north and 91 tristate teams seemed to play only in B level tournaments.

Any of these organizations play year round? Hard to compete against the top Long Island and Maryland teams when the Westchester and Fairfield teams really only practice together as a team in the summer.

That is a lame excuse! My son plays on a couple teams as an invited player we never know which kids will be there, yet they usually win the tournament or come very close! If the talent is there, you will win.

problem with northern westchester right now in general is a shrinking pool of players and a growing amount travel organizations. Superstars out of ridgefield has changed their whole offering. combination of box and field lacrosse, not sure how that will workout , but it is supposed to me more of a year round offering. I have heard fair number of complaints out of the younger Prime time parents this year, Apparently the 3/4 team, won 1 game, and got pretty much destroyed in every other. not sure if that will continue or if that has always been the case.

Thanks for the comments about Northern Westchester. Seems like the same thing is happening in Fairfield County. Chargers used to be strong but the talent pool is now being divided up as more teams enter (i.e. Eclipse).

I think the participation in lacrosse has slowed down. At the high school level, if you are not starting at one of the really competitive teams like Primetime, Express North or Eclipse and either starting on varsity or getting significant playing time at least by sophomore year, you're probably better off improving your skills at camps then watching others play from sidelines at both games and practices.

Should be interesting to see how things play out for the Fall 2015/Summer 2016 teams in Westchester. Seems every organization is having tryouts on August 30th. If kids can only go to one and don't make the team may be out of luck. Of course there probably will be one or two teams without enough boys at tryouts to take the other's leftovers.

Generally yes, but North 2019 made finals at last two tourneys of summer, all the big boys were there. 3d Tristate was better at end of summer than the start.

I am hearing that Primetime, which is based in Lewisboro, and has been traditionally very strong, is no longer going to be able to call John Jay HS their home. It seems like they are scrambling for field space and have not let anyone know where that may be. This could change alot of the dynamic as I am hearing Express North is calling the Harvey School in Katonah, their new home, Does anyone know where Prime Time will be going? some are saying down County but not confirmed

Express north beat crabs and dukes this summer.

On. 8/15 A new location for tryouts was announced. Don't know where practices will be held.

Not sure where practices will be, but second day of tryouts are at Purchase. The SUNY must be making some good coin as it seems nearly every travel team is having tryouts on campus on the 30th.

sounds like Primetime is scrambling- should bode well for the EXPRESS NORTH which is setting up shop in Katonah-

Is there not an inherent conflict of interest between Express LI and North? at the same age level, how can the Express organization get both teams into the best tournaments? I grant you that so far it appears that they've been successful, but isn't that only because the Express North 2018 team is very good and the means by which they are growing the Express North product offering. It would seem Younger Express North teams may be at a disadvantage. There are only limited spots in the best tournaments. Thoughts?

zero conflict of interest

There is always room for more teams! More Teams = More $!

but does weschester have enough talent at each age group to field that many "A" teams? I think not , therefore we are looking at multiple B level teams

Conflict of interest because they share the same name? They are 2 different teams serving 2 different geographical locations. If they are both good teams and can compete at a high level why shouldn't they be able to play in the same tournaments? The higher level tournaments want strong teams, they aren't going to say no to one Express team for a lower level team just so they don't have 2 teams with the same name.

The North 2018, 2019 and 2023/24 teams all had great summers, I don't think conflict of interest will be a problem.

There may be a huge disparity in talent this year. Many of the Westchester teams are having tryouts the same day, Aug. 30. A couple teams will likely get the bulk of talent with the teams with light turnout getting the boys that didn't make those teams. PT is 9a, 91TS is 1030a and Express North is 1230p. Preds 2nd day is also Aug. 30 also at Purchase right after 91TS.

did the 23/24 team compete in the higher brackets? will they be able to this year?

Six clubs are having tryouts on Aug. 30th. The best you could do is pick three that don't overlap and are geographically close, and try to hit those.

But, how tired is your kid going to be after that first or second tryout -- especially if they give it their all?

so how do people rank these organizations at the younger age brackets in terms of overall experience

The arms race among the local clubs to stage early tryouts on same weekend is going to create a weird situation. It does not benefit players/parents at all. It forces you to pick 1-2 teams to try to make without being able to evaluate options.

some thoughts on the younger (2024-2021) levels:
91 Tri-State will rely on the name but fight for talent ... not pulling best kids yet even with HOS/High Impact consolidation
Predators solid but younger teams start new and that'll be tough
2Way is the quiet name that is in a good spot since they started last fall with some solid squads ... likely just trying to improve in spots.
PrimeTime hurting ... terrible 2023 team and too much competition
LIExpress North had good summer and like 2Way just filling key spots
Eclipse is mainly New Canaan/Brunswick kids ... solid and building

M11, Greenwich, Topside around but don't have presence at normal tourneys

i agree, i think the biggest problem with some of these clubs is that they place their B caliber 3/4 teams into the A brackets and get demolished. when you lose games 20-0 , i am not sure how that can be a great experience for any player. Imagine the 3 attack, sitting on the field, never even seeing the ball after driving to a tourney. or the goalies confidence as he spends an entire game digging the ball out of the net. Tristate was in the B division and they held their own, which is fine for a first year team. I believe, Express North was the same . at the younger ages, just giving players good coaching and reps in a game goes a long way

No conflicts.

Younger Express North teams will do well because coaching is top notch and 2018 North team are great role models and actively mentors younger players.

Harvey School facilities and location is big advantage as well.

Who coached younger North teams last year? (I see that they have added some coaches from Iona. Interesting because the Predators have some connection with Fordham.)

just heard the tuition of those two: Iona and Fordham. How do they compare to Chaminade and St. Anthony's academically.

How do Stepinac and Kennedy Catholic compare (sports and academics) are they like St Marys, St Doms, Kelly, SJB.

who is coaching the younger north teams this year?

Good insight on the younger ages. For what it's worth, here are thoughts on the 2020-2017 ages.
-Seems to be a geographic divide between northern and southern westchester as well as some strong teams/weaker teams amongst clubs depending on grad year. Express North (2018 and 2019 very strong) rule. Express North gets about half their kids from CT. In southern Westchester, Predators seem to dominate (2017 team is top notch). 3d Tri-state has mainly CT and second level Brunswick kids. Chargers and Eclipse rarely have Westchester kids anymore.
-91 Tri-state, HOS, Top Side, 2Way are B/B- level teams and don't compete for the elite players.

When looking at younger teams, find a program with a coach who you know will get the most out of your son.

No one is getting recruited before the 2019 year, so why parents think they need to go with a "big name" club is beyond me. Don't get me wrong, a good deal of "big name" clubs have great coaches at the younger levels as well, but a lot of time you can find great coaches at a lot of clubs.

Also, the final score of your son's 2023 game doesn't necessarily mean he isn't getting better. Is the 18th kid on the best 2023 team getting the same experience as the 6th 2023 kid on a "lower level" club? That is for you to decide.

Rule of thumb...if you think your kid is just being used as a roster filler...it might be best to explore another program. It's your money.

Found it interesting to see that Chargers moved their tryouts to Bridgeport and away from their traditional Darien location. Eclipse is having tryouts at Greens Farm not at a New Canaan location. Everyone is moving around. Primetime too.

Agreed: very few kids from Westchester go to Chargers anymore. I know of a couple who go to Eclipse.
Agreed: there is a north/south split with Predators drawing the best from the south (Bronxville, Pelham, Rye) and Express North and Primetime from north of I-287 and from Southwest CT, including Greewhich and Wilton. Primetime draws from a very wide area don't know about Express North.

Don't see any kids from Yorktown on any of these teams. They have the Ballers to play on, but I don't remember seeing them at any of the big tournaments. Has anyone else seen this team play anywhere? Where do they play?

Maybe other towns should adopt the Yorktown model. Play with your high school teammates over the summer. Seems to work well for Yorktown.

THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE TOWN TEAMS ARE NOT THE SAME ONES MAKING MONEY ON THE SUMMER TRAVEL PROGRAMS- LOOK AT PRIMETIME, JJ YOUTH LACROSSE WAS ALLOWING PRIMETIME TO USE THE HS FIELDS FOR FREE AND THEN THEY WERE CUTTING ALL JOHN JAY KIDS, CERTAINLY THAT IS NOT THE RECIPE FOR GROWING THE GAME IN YOUR OWN TOWN, AND WHATS WORSE IS THE YOUTH ORGANIZATION ALLOWED THIS KNOWING THEIR OWN KIDS WERE GETTING CUT. REALLY REALLY SAD

I guess it's all about the money.

JJ Youth lacrosse is not responsible for field use in the district. That is the responsibility of the Katonah Lewisboro School district Administration.

jj yl does not say anything to the school district, because its the same people , therefore they must approve of a "for profit" entity cutting their players for kids out of the district, I am told they finally put an end to this .

Starting to explain why the public schools are hosting too many club teams.

Probably why club teams are moving to private schools and SUNY Purchase.

imagine being a tax payer and losing your fields to a group of people that are profiting from fields that you pay for and your kid gets cut- that is a not an organization that is looking out for the future of that towns lacrosse program

Maybe if the John Jay coach had a summer team for the JJ players, same for Somers, Yorktown, Fox Lane, Bronxville, Pleasantville etc. We could all play each other over the summer and save time and money with expensive club fees, travel, personal trainers, etc.

There are Yorktown kids on Express North

u probably could also play the club teams as well- good practice for both

Predators are hands down the best program in Westchester. The coaches are incredibly devoted to the kids and are committed to making them great lacrosse players. These guys love to coach and train the boys and that makes it a very special environment.

I think all of us would love to see a genuine Westchester/Fairfield-only tourney this summer. Westchester Games was a start but only drew 91 teams really. Here's to hoping the program directors challenge each other to play in a local tourney. Not in a mean-spirited way but a "hey, let's see what you got" positive vibe.

I Completely agree with this assessment.

That's funny

I don't get the just play for your town scenario... it doesn't work. Staying with your town will not get you to be a better player. Yes it enhances the team concept tremendously but doesn't not elevate the play of individual players.

Playing for another coach also broadens your perspective of the game and gives you another voice in your cache of instructions.

Let me make this clear, I am not saying choose one or the other. I believe there is room to do both and we need to make sure we make room for both.

(the exception to the rule are the privates on LI but this is a Westchester link)

let me be clear- all those points above are valid however, i am focusing on the younger age teams. at some point middle school maybe, it makes sense to play club lacrosse if your end goal is college lacrosse. here is the dilemma i see in westchester right now , too many club teams, not enough "A" players. however programs like Primetime will take their 3/4 team down to long island and get demolished. its not as if we dont have the high quality players, we do, its just that we dont have as many. primetime 3/4 last year got beat something like 160 goals against 50 goals scored. that cannot possibly be a good experience for most players. if you have a quality town team, that is a big if, then why not keep those kids together for as long as possible, put them in the B brackets and let them have a chance at winning while also teaching them . no reason you still cant pay for higher level coaching

If their aren't enough A players for club teams in Westchester, how do you expect Town programs to field quality club teams?

I APOLOGIZE, IMHO TRAVEL SHOULD START AT 5TH GRADE. THE BELOW IS FOR 5TH AND ABOVE PLAYERS WILL COME AND GO ON THOSE TEAMS FOR THE NEXT 4/5 YEARS.

understand your points, lived through it. Just please do not limit your child's learning curve and experience if you can help it. If you have the means and the logistics work, you should try the travel route. Just be a wise consumer don't set your wallet or child up for failure.

Now, I just said don't do one or the other. I am a fan of doing both. Playing as a town does build a future and is great, nothing like playing with your friends; and if your child plays travel there is nothing better than playing against your travel buddies.

BUT, That good town team only has a handful of special players; those special players can and will benefit from playing with and against other players that are better. The worst thing you can do is make your child the best player on any team especially at the younger ages.

I will disagree with you about the term winning. When you play, whether it is sports, cards or tag, you play to win. I get that. You have fun in the pursuit to win. You just may not always win. That said, You wouldnt play a sport, cards or tag if you didn't think you had a chance to win or if you knew you'd lose all the time. You play something with the hopes you will win (if at least only once).

In any sport I don't care if you happen to lose every game. It is all relative, it is the spread of the win or loss that means something (score differential). IT IS ABOUT THE CHANCE TO WIN. Sure, it is good to blow team outs, but I also think it is healthy to get blown out, but it is the best when your teams play and the goal differential is within 5 your team, that means your placed against the correct opponents.

but as you said you don't have as much talented players, well if you don't have as much talented players on club then your town teams are just as diluted and the experiences for the better kids on town teams is just not going to enhance their play, as well, their being "forced" to play solely with the town... doesn't necessarily bring up the level for the developing players. That instead may led to those developing players taking aback seat and losing interest.

I love the concept of the town sticking together, but not at the detriment of advancing the better players. If each player plays a level above their usual play the town team will become that much better. Although you do need to become wary that some of those special players go another route all together and you may loose them forever, just remember that is their parents call and you cant dictate what one parent does for their child. where you think it is right wrong or indifferent)

No we all know politics plays its part on both travel and Town. Did politics have anything to do with why the PT team was not as strong as it could have been? Additionally, don't fall into the trap of because you are the best team in Westchester you need to play the best teams and tournaments on LI. Call out to a few LI teams and have a friendly. Invite them up and treat for Pizza. See what you have after you do this 2 or 3 times you will know where you stand.

I am all for challenging your team and players, you never want to be the best; you always want to work for what you get. At the same time you never want to out class your team and players where they are out of their league and get demoralized. Because sometimes your best isn't good enough, and that is okay, you just dont need to be reminded every weekend.

whats the difference at that point- in one scenario- you get a town team that plays in the b bracket of a tourney or you pay 2k to go to the same tourney? either way its a B team at best. as long as u get a quality coach. plenty of A players in Westchester, but not enough to field 3-5 teams at some age brackets .

PT philosophy, "No one learns anything at a B tourney" i disagree

IF PT takes the best kids ( no politics)
they should be the top team ahead of Predators.
this should be the case now that they are not at JJ

Good Luck to all the boys trying out this weekend and to the parents rushing around trying to get to as many as they can!

This is the blast email from the guy who runs superstars. Not sure if I totally respect his honest world view or just think he believes this helps his marketing efforts fully proving how nutty it has all become.


Dear Lacrosse Parent,

I am frequently asked questions about lacrosse player development and how your son or daughter can play lacrosse in college. There are many answers to this question, or maybe there is only one. If you want to know about the current recruiting landscape in the world of lacrosse and why developing skills NOW matters, please read on. I�ll try to keep it simple and more importantly brutally honest.

I saw a post on Facebook the other day where a woman was asking �why can�t sports go back to the way they were when we were kids. Now kids are so over-scheduled and have to play their sport year round�..�. When I saw the post, I wanted to reply with the answer, at least as it relates to lacrosse. I don�t think it�s all that complicated either, but I�ll get to that.

Let�s back up a bit (a lot further back than I want to actually admit), but let�s go back to the year 1990. In fact, let�s go back to November of 1990, just before Thanksgiving. It�s a Saturday. I am a high school senior. I have just completed a football game at Horace Greeley High School�it was a close game but we pulled out a win. I hustle to the locker room for the post game speech by Coach S. I quickly change my clothes and catch a ride directly to the airport. I am headed to my �official visit� to Syracuse University as a prospective lacrosse player. I have already visited Loyola College and Head Coach Dave Cottle has already come to my home the weekend before to have a beer with my father after watching me and 2 other Yorktown lacrosse players from our football team play in the game. As it turns out, those two other players, Matt Dwan and Jason Foley, both commit to Loyola in the weeks following this game, as HS Seniors. So I take my flight�.arrive in Syracuse and spend 2 nights with Dom Fin, a freshman student-athlete at Syracuse University. I get the usual campus tour, trip to Marshall Street and visit a few of the lacrosse �houses� for various events. On the Monday morning before I leave, I have a meeting with Head Coach Roy Simmons Jr. We meet in the bleachers of Manley Field House and we have a brief conversation. After some small talk, he pulls out a manila envelope with an official scholarship offer from Syracuse University. As he explains to me, the offer is for a full scholarship. My parents will only be responsible for the cost of my books each semester. Everything else is covered. I smile and tell him I really appreciate the offer and that I am really excited about the idea of playing for Syracuse. However, I also tell him that Loyola College has also offered me a full scholarship, and they are willing to pay for my books as well. As I leave, I promise to speak with my parents and call him with an answer by the end of the week. He says that would be great and I catch a ride back to the airport. I am back in Yorktown in time to attend our football practice on Monday afternoon. And my decision to attend Syracuse University is made be the end of the evening.

We need to fast forward 25 years to get the �simple� answer to the Facebook post question I spoke of earlier. What has changed over 25 years and why? To start, think about this�I was a SENIOR in HS and still uncommitted. I was one of the most highly recruited players in the country that year. I had my pick of almost any school I wanted to attend�.and yet, in November of my SENIOR YEAR, I was just beginning to get serious about an actual decision. And I�m lucky that decisions were made that late. TRUTH BE TOLD, IF SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY HAD EVALUATED ME AS A FRESHMAN OR EVEN A SOPHOMORE IN HS, THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT THEY WOULD HAVE DISMISSED THE IDEA OF EVEN RECRUITING ME, LET ALONE OFFERING ME A FULL SCHOLARSHIP. As a sophomore player on Yorktown�s 1989 State Championship team, I was a hard working crease player in a 2-2-2- offense. I had no outside shot and I couldn�t have dodged a long pole for the life of me. Of course, between my sophomore year and my senior year I had the stick in my hands 24-7 and I spent a ton of time in the weight room and on the track working on my speed and agility. I became an excellent player through hard work and dedication in the last two years I spent at Yorktown HS. And the rest is history�..hard work and dedication and skill acquisition carried me all the way to the National Hall of Fame.

GREAT ROY, WHAT�S THE ANSWER?

I�m glad you asked. The answer is that Division 1 coaches are making recruiting decisions and doing their evaluations on players who have not yet spent a single day in their respective high school hallways, let alone on their varsity teams. THEREFORE, THE PRESSURE IS ON PLAYERS IN GRADES 6, 7 & 8 TO MAKE THE SAME PROGRESS IN THEIR SKILLS & LACROSSE ABILITIES THAT I MADE AS A HS JUNIOR AND SENIOR. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS DRIVING ALL OF THE MADNESS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN LACROSSE IN 2015. AND THIS IS WHY IF YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER HAS A DREAM OF PLAYING LACROSSE AT A DIVISION 1 SCHOOL, YOU NEED TO MAKE SOME VERY IMPORTANT DECISIONS WITH REGARD TO WHAT HE OR SHE DOES TO MAKE PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. IF YOU WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE IN HS TO FOCUS ON THIS ISSUE, YOU WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.

IS THERE ANY GOOD NEWS?

Sure. There is good news. The good news is that players who work extremely hard and eventually develop excellent skill sets and way above average lacrosse abilities while in 9th & 10th grade will eventually become excellent HS players and will enjoy playing a sport they love at the highest level, and maybe even garner some post-season awards. There are many excellent Division 2 and 3 schools that will be interested in attracting your child's services during their HS playing years. There are also likely to be some D-1 schools that are in the mix, but they are few and far between and they will be looking to fill very specific needs.

SO WHAT DO WE DO?

I can�t tell any of you what to do about an issue that quite frankly bothers me as much as it bothers you. Having to tell my 6th grade son that his �dream school� will in all likelihood make a final decision on him during the summer after his 8th grade school year makes me want to scream. But it�s reality and he has a plan.

I�D ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO CONSIDER MAKING A PLAN AS WELL. GET BETTER NOW�GET BETTER RIGHT NOW! DON�T WAIT. DON�T PUT IT OFF. THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY IS GETTING SMALLER EVERY SINGLE DAY!

If your son or daughter has a dream of playing lacrosse at the D-1 level, help them to develop their skills in as many ways as you can. This isn�t a plug for any of the programs I run. There are many great programs out there that can help your son or daughter develop stick skills that will stand out among their peers. Because ultimately, that is how they are going to be judged�.how good is your player compared to the players that they are surrounded by and compared to the players they are playing against.

WHAT ABOUT THE SCHOLARSHIP?

The full scholarship is almost a myth in 2015. They simply don�t exist! A few players in each recruiting class may get that type of offer, but it is extremely rare. If your son or daughter is an excellent player and garners the attention of multiple D-1 schools, he or she is likely to be offered a scholarship in the 25-30 percent range. A BIG scholarship is any offer over 50%. And the scholarship discussion still happens way, way after most verbal commitments are made.

WHAT EXACTLY IS A VERBAL COMMITMENT? DOES IT INCLUDE A SCHOLARSHIP OFFER?

A verbal offer is an offer for a prospective student-athlete to attend a D-1 school with the promise of a roster spot when they get there, assuming they maintain their grades and are able to get into the school when it comes time. That�s it. And it�s non-binding. The player and/or the coach can change their mind at ANY time, and sometimes they do. Coaches try very hard not to back out of verbal offers because it means future verbal offer carry less weight. Many players who �verbal� to a school do not discuss scholarship specifics at that point in time..they are simply thrilled to have been offered a roster spot and worry about the money later.

WHAT ABOUT A PG YEAR OR REPEATING 8TH GRADE?

The PG year has come and gone. Players who PG now only benefit if they are smart enough to announce their intention to do a PG as an 8th or 9th grader and then reclassify themselves on the recruiting circuit as a younger aged player....i.e. a 2019 player declares he will PG and begins to attend 2020 recruiting events or plays for a 2020 year club team the following summer.

Repeating 8th grade has become an incredibly common practice. In fact, some club teams actually recommend that ALL of their players repeat 8th grade if they are serious about attending a top tier division 1 school. I don't share this belief, but I will concede that repeating 8th grade gives a player another year to grow and develop as a player. To me, this is a last resort option, but I know plenty of players who have either repeated 8th grade or intend to repeat 8th grade in order to gain a year on their competition. If you look at the ages of the boys who are freshman in college playing lacrosse right now, you will find that most of them are significantly older than their non-athlete peers.


SO WHAT DO WE DO TO GET NOTICED?

DEVELOP SKILLS THAT ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE�S AND TAKE THEM ON THE ROAD. GET FASTER AND STRONGER NOW. PLAY FOR A QUALITY SUMMER TEAM. ATTEND SHOWCASES. GO TO THE PROSPECT DAYS OF INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS. ATTEND THE SUMMER CAMP OF YOUR FAVORITE SCHOOL. GET IN FRONT OF THEIR COACHING STAFF AND MAKE IT COUNT�THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN NO EXPOSURE IS NEGATIVE EXPOSURE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SEEN, BY ALL MEANS MAKE SURE YOU ARE READY TO PLAY!!!

There is plenty more to write about but I have taken up more than enough time for one afternoon�.I wish you all the best on your journey�try to enjoy it and help your son or daughter embrace the hard work it will undoubtedly take to become a Division 1 Lacrosse Player!

DISCLAIMER- The opinions expressed in this email are exactly that, the opinions of one person. Your experience may be different. I would strongly encourage you to do your own research!

Blah, blah, blah. All of the Superstar teams are now weak except the 2022 AA team ... and that's just because Roy's son is on the team and he personally coaches it and devotes attention.

His teams are weak and he's grasping for whatever he can to keep his league afloat. GREAT lacrosse player however.

Prime Time does a good job placing strong players, they are not good at coaching though. Very hit or miss.

Predators are all about skill development. If you want your son to be a strong player go with the Predators. Your son will get hands on coaching from guys who are passionate.

Huge turnout for Express North for the younger grades. I think the 2022's had upwards of 60 kids. Not surprising there was a large contingent of John Jay kids at all grade levels. Seemed well run and organized.

Quite an impressive turnout. Very well run. Harvey facility is a home run.

It is incredibly clear who is fueling these Express North posts. Gotta promote yourself I guess.

Every tryout I heard about had good numbers. Players try out for multiple teams and often times you will see exhausted, sweaty kids get out of a car coming from another tryout.

Tryout numbers are great, but I am more concerned with who these players ultimately decide to play for.

I'm sure preedators coaches are passionate. Look at express North coaches and their backgrounds . Passion ,track records .word is half of 18 team is committed .

I'm the father of a kid who is trying out for Express North. One of my sons played with them last year and had a great experience. Does every post have to be negative or confrontational? My sons coaches are intense, knowledgeable and 100% committed to the team and the kids. I can't ask for more and hope his brother makes the team.

I have had kids play for both Teams coaches and experience was very positive in both cases.

Agreed.

No self promotion here. my kids have had a great experience with North.

Some things seen at SUNY-Purchase tryouts for lower Westchester clubs last weekend pertaining to 2022/2023/2024 ... (note- assembled from some local parents):
Predators had some great numbers and organization. Around 50 players for 2023 and 2022 on day 1. Many coaches and evaluators including older team stars. Some real talent out there. Could easily field 2 decent teams per age group.
91 Tri-State had less kids than Predators but organized, many coaches on hand. Setting up dedicated 2023 and 2024 teams after split squad. 2023 talent way less than Predators but many clubs will be in that boat.
2Way had less numbers than Predators and 91, not as organized and not many coaches or staff evaluating. Could not tell grades apart, all mixed together, so that upset parents. Several younger players also were at 91 or Predators. Talent very mixed.
No word on Topside or Express North or PT.
Overall, the impressions seem to mirror the comments on this board ... Predators very strong, 91 building, 2Way not major player.

North the powers . Very predator biased above.

Any updates as to numbers for older kids?

Hopefully someone will tell us how the LIE North and Prinetime tryouts went.

I was at the Predators and Long Island Express North tryouts for 2022 and 23. Predators very good talent and yes about 50 kids in each group. LIE North good talent and 45 boys tried out.

The Predators 2022 boys, current 6th graders, are supposed to be 11 years old. I can not believe the amount of left back kids at Predator tryout. I would say almost half of the 2022 players on the field were 12 or 13 years old. Makes a big difference. Insane how the parents in Rye and Bronxville have brought their front running wall street antics to youth lacrosse.

Both of my boys attended the Express North tryouts so I was at the field for about 4 hours. It appeared the 2024 & 2025's had 50-60 kids trying out. I was vey impressed with the number of evaluators and coaches. They had coaches running drills while evaluators monitored and took notes. I've been to tryouts where one or two coaches are trying to run the drills and evaluate and that isn't effective. It looked like they had 4 guys running each tryout with a few additional floaters walking from group to group.

Bottom line, my kids had a chance to be seen and probably learned something because I heard them getting some coaching. I'm satisfied and my guys are looking forward to the next round. I won't compare the tryouts to the other my boys attended.

Eclipse, which is mostly CT but some Westchester, had really big numbers at the youth teams from 2024 - 2021 and ran very well organized tryouts.

Talent at Eclipse 2021 was off the charts
They weren't just CT kids either

Agreed. Talent level was tops. It appears most of the kids making the team are New Canaan A team and Darien A team with some others sprinkled in. Not surprising. This is a NC driven program and they have not been shy about talking about how it is to develop NC kids. But the Darien kids are so good they can't ignore them!

Why are we talking ct lax in a west. forum. Plenty of CT programs to have their own thread. Same now with west.

Because some westchester kids play for Connecticut teams and some Connecticut kids play for westchester teams.

Our town team played NC and the NC kids, 8 or 9 of them towered over our tallest kid.

What is the left back policy in NC? Greenwich was the same way.

Like a lot of affluent hyper competitive towns there is a huge contingent that hold their kids back a year before entering kindergarten. Some will repeat the process in 7th or 8th grade when they move their kid to private school.

Super lame practice. When enough people hold their kids back a grade it will have no appreciable impact. Edge Lacrosse plays all of their teams down a grade/age bracket, really taking the hold back practice beyond the pale.

How is that ultra competitive? If you were competitive you would play your kid up, NOT down. Playing against better/older kids is more competitive not playing against younger kids. I know some of these people from these towns and they are controlling US Lacrosse not to implement an age (fair) based system like soccer, hockey and other sports.

In wrestling, there are weight classes for fair competition, in youth sports the best method of fair play is age.

Most of the parents in Connecticut also want age based teams. Grade based teams leads to hold backs and parents trying to game the system.

HA sounds like you're kids on the team, not all people who played for preds feel this way.

I was at the Express North tryouts. You had the real 2021's clocking in at about 5'. And then you had the holdbacks, already turning 13 clocking in at 5'4'' ore more. I saw a giant kid there, had to be 5'10". Wasn't that talented but he was running over kids and you could see the coaches scribbling notes. I am sure that despite the weak lax skills they were thinking, "I can work with that"....

Pure speculation. If it IS done it certainly is not done with the knowing cooperation of the Predators staff

End the speculation. Age verification. I have spoken with several coaches and parents that have verified the left back status of their kids but nothing is done about it. Go to the Yale Fall Bulldog tournament and you will see it on display. Unfortunately it may take a kid getting hurt to change.

I agree but don't make baseless claims in an attempt to tarnish a program's reputation. Also not all (if any) families from bronxville or rye believe as you suggest.

It is real simple. Age verification. And play your age.

How do you know that

That? what left back kids playing younger kids is that your question?

Simple solution, age verification and play kids their own age.

Meant how does the predator poster know kids are being held back without Predator coaches knowing.

Any, I know at least 2 families in bronxville who strongly believe holding back is the way. As far as Rye, they never needed it, but I go back to the flood days.

Everyone stop with the back and forth, just age verify. It is done in hockey, soccer, baseball and it's time has come to age verify in lacrosse. It will end all arguments. Everyone should lobby US Lacrosse to enforce age appropriate playing rule.

Shouldn't this be moved to the Age Verification thread so the focus can return to Westchester Lacrosse?

Agreed. Move this convo to the age Verification thread. Any other thoughts on quality of tryouts or talent/numbers at them?

This argument has been going on for years in the Long Island and Maryland threads. Bottom line, in high school you play against older kids and in college you play against men. Might as well get used to it now. Makes your son a better player.

The HS kids can still play against older/younger kids- but why not attach a birth year to every player? A coach seeing a small 15 yr old, man handle a big18 yr old fully developed kid gives one food for thought. That smaller 15 yr old sure seems like a good bet if he can handle the older, stronger, bigger player and has yet to go through puberty. Tables turned as well- knowing an older, bigger player repeatedly gets best by kids 1-3 yrs younger gives one something to think about. As long as kids are fighting for a roster spot, and are allowed to play down, age should be connected to their name. Let them play- but also let it be known that they are playing younger opponents. The only people fighting a birthdate being attached or published is those players and their families that have been left back. If you are do proud- might as well flaunt it publicly for all to see!!!

Absurd logic. Comparing a 12 year old to an 18 year old. Just stupid.

Go to another thread please

In high school good freshman play against Seniors. So your looking at 14-15 versus 18-19. And those good freshman were playing against older kids when they were 12 and 13. If you want to play at a high level that is what happens. I agree embrace playing up and you will be a better player.

One would think this but the holdback philosophy has them only playing up in name only. Many of These kids are older.

I agree with playing up to make your son better, I have done that. The problem is the left back kids playing down are now two years older than my son. It is a problem and therefor it should be age based and if your kid wants to play up a year, GREAT. But when you have deception the age thing gets out of control and I have seen it first hand at a few tournaments.

The holdback issue only comes into play when kids being held back are taking roster spots from kids playing age or grad year appropriate.

If there are 100 roster spots/ tuition assistance and 20 are taken by kids whop are heldback, that reduces an age appropriate players chances of getting into certain schools and receiving some $$$. Its really that simple.

Curious...if you balance those 20 holdback kids in that age group (ie, 2020) with 20 other kids that are absent from tryouts are held back for a younger age group (2021) making tryouts easier for the 80 non-holdback 2020 kids, is it a wash?

This holdback issue is whack yo! There's a kid in my sons grade who will be 20 in his senior year of high school

I know it's so crazy! There's a kid in my sons grade who somehow will be driving in 8th grade and 21 in his senior year of high school

does it make sense for a 4th grader(2024) to play with his friends on a B caliber team or up a grade 2023 if he or she is talented enough to make it?

he or she would have more fun playing with friends in 4th grade right? Plenty of time to join the crazy train of elite travel teams and if the kid is elite they'll be a spot on those teams in 7 or 8th grade

Play with friends. Make it fun. The summer elite programs can suck the fun out of it pretty fast.

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Anyone have any feedback on the express north tryouts?

you mean results or how were they run and attended?

Well attended at all levels with quality kids.

It will be tough to make the 2018 or 2019 given those teams are very talented and have been playing together for a while However both teams have needs and can improve at all positions.

The younger teams will be wide open and Express North will have some tough choices to make given all the kids that showed up.

Not sure when they announce who made the Teams?

i was at the 2022. 23, and 24 tryouts and was pleasantly surprised at the overall talent level given what I have seen at other tryouts

My 2022 received a phone call from the express north coach yesterday letting him know he had made the team. Their last tryout was Saturday. I don't know about the other teams but 2022 had about 55-60 kids tryout out, many talented players.

I heard a great story today, one that is very sad - talk about conflict of interest- john jay youth lacrosse president is calling up 9 year olds and trying to persuade them to play for Primetime. If this isnt wrong in so many ways, I dont know what is. whats the difference where they play at 9. If JJYL really cared about their kids, they would be doing more internally to keep them together and not worrying about making money . Shame on you !!!!!!!

oh wow- i would have thought they would push for the greatest lax family in that area, the guy who runs the program out of purchase- all three brothers, sister are jj lax grads and father coaches - but regardless, definitely innapropriate to be flat out pushing for one program over another

My son attended the 2021 tryout yesterday and I can attest to the talent level. They could easily create two very talented teams. My son's friend was on the team last year and he and his parents have only had great things to say about the coaches and other parents. He will be very disappointed if he doesn't make the team.

Is it true most kids tryout for many different programs?

yes kids do in may cases try out for more than 1 programs to enhance their chances of having at least one option for next season.

Clubs must debate internally as to whether field 1 or 2 (or maybe even 3) teams per grade. Seems from my attending a few tryouts, input from others, and notes on this thread, that the turnouts for tryouts have been decent this fall in Westchester (and Fairfield). Anywhere in the 40-60 range per grade. Obviously that doesn't mean kids don't attend multiple tryouts. But there are still more kids wanting to play who won't find a home.

But not many clubs opt for a 2nd team. Guess it drains resources and lessens the club reputation from their POV.

My friends son got an invite tonight for Express North 2020AA

Anyone have any insight on the status of the Express North 2021 team?

I don't think the 2021 invitations have been sent out. In fact I'm certain of it.

Which clubs have offered at 2023 at this point?

People, don't jump the gun on invites. Last season, our son didn't receive an invitation when his two buddies did. The next day an invitation from the same club was in my inbox. Thankfully I was patient and didn't commit to his #2 club choice and he was able to play with the team he really wanted.

Stay calm if you haven't heard from your #1.

Regarding younger teams (2024-21): I saw that the Predators announced their roster. Have any of the other teams (2way, PT, T91, Express North) announced anything yet? will they post names or send emails?

2way 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 have chosen their rosters.

At least some of those teams have issued offers. Based on past practices, I do not believe all such clubs will ever post rosters as Predators did. PT put up links to register for those that have been offered, so it seems clear that offers have gone out from them.

Express North sent out invites between Sunday & Monday. I'm glad they don't post rosters, no one else's business where my son plays.

LIE North has the best Coaches in Westchester:

Entire Iona Prep staff
Savastano brothers,
Suno Hill
Tom Regan &
Chris Schreiber

Can't find anything better in Westchester.

Do you mean Sunho Lee? And yes he's great and highly respected.

Then we are all very glad that your son plays for the LIE North.

I think the coaching staffs at almost every club have good names and people who are doing great things.

Predators have the head coach of Fordham Prep and Yorktown legends.
PrimeTime has the head coach of Greenwich HS, Byram Hills, former Scarsdale etc...
T91 Tristate has Mike Bocklett head coach of Purchase
HOS has Ned Crotty, head coach of CW Post, head coach of Stepinac and Nyack
Top Side has head coach of Eastchester

There are head coaches coaching club teams in all programs which is great for the sport in the area. Again, worry about who is coaching YOUR sons team and not what people consider "big names" just because they are able to coach superior talent.

There is great coaching all around. Just because you were a college stud doesn't translate into being a great coach. Someone somewhere decided that in lacrosse if you were not an all star player you can't possibly be a good coach. So absurd but great marketing. Even many weaker clubs have excellent coaches but have not been as successful in attracting high quality players. And it is getting so diluted anyway. Whether a particular grad year on any one team is strong or not may become totally random. PT 2021 is very strong. Other PT grad years not so much. Random.

PT 2018 is an extremely strong team. Probably one of the best out there. And I don't have a son who plays for them.

Ok. Like I said. Random.

Have had experience with all of these programs. Predators brings very hands on coaching with guys who are committed to your kids. Nothing else compares.

Rumor on the street that PT 2021 lost some good players and was then lobbying hard to recruit some new kids, some of whom chose other programs. That is a solid team so hard to believe.

Rumor is correct we lost 4 of our top players to 3D & Eclipse. Calling us solid is a stretch. We played some good games but was very inconsistent and lost twice to a B team (igloo Avalanche)

i have been told the the Primetime 2024 team has less than 10 kids - i know they were struggling to get players

To be honest Primetime is all about the high school teams. Nick Daniello does a great job recruiting for his HS but unfortunately most of the youth players are not there when it counts, during the HS years.

I'm not prime time guy. You guys need to stop referring to players . Moderater needs to step in. You are talking about 21 s . I'm sure you don't mean harm. Just too personal.

The only person mentioned is Nick Daniello and he is the owner/director of Primetime.
No kids were mentioned or spoken about in a negative way. Just stated the changes that were made.

it is possible the moderators may have taken it off.

Many parents don't want their son playing for a team that has very strong players at their position. They want their child to be a standout and its easier on a weaker team. Seems pretty lame to me, but I've heard the talk. I think practicing and playing in the toughest most competitive environment is best for a child to learn how to compete and play hard all the time.

"Many parents don't want their son playing for a team that has very strong players at their position."

That is ridiculous, and given the 125 kids that showed up to the PT 2019 tryout, proves you wrong. There are teams for every ability, and most kids want to play for the best. Kids dont want to play on weaker teams and lose, even if they stand out.

"I think practicing and playing in the toughest most competitive environment is best for a child to learn how to compete and play hard all the time."

Depends on the kid and unless you are a child psychologist, irrelevant.

It's ridiculous that parents would be so manipulative, but its a fact that many parents are looking for a team that their son can be the standout.

I'm not a psychologist, just a long time coach and father of 4 boys. I have always encouraged my kids to be in a competitive environment--in an out of sports.

How is a practice environment irrelevant? It makes all the difference.

Depends on the kid? What type of practice environment do you think kids should be immersed...other than one that will challenge them?

I would like too see people's thoughts on the programs from the Westchetser County area where you rank them for year 2021.

1 - 3D Tristate
2 - Eclipse
3 - Long Island Express North
4 - 2 Way
5 - Predators
6 - Primetime
7 - 91 Tristate
8 - Superstars
9 - Ballers
10 - Chargers

Surprised that 3D tristate and 2 way are so high and Primetime is so low.

I don't think the initial list was intended to be a ranking order.

I would think Prime Time and Eclipse at top, followed then by 2way, and then maybe Predators and LIE North. Others down lower.

I think the first 5 are correct maybe not in order but they are the top 5

3d had some very good additions

Word on the street, lol is 3d Tristate, LIE North, & Eclipse all got much better players and Primetime lost 4 top players without replacing them. Maybe that's why PT is low but they still should be in top 3.

What local program will have the first Freshman commit?

My guess is Primetime or LIE North. While I don't think Primetime is all that strong they do have a couple of extremely strong players. LIE North has several very strong players.

LI Express North. My guess is they are one of the top 3 teams that I've seen play and they have a bunch of highly skilled players. A joy to watch.

My son went to the Eclipse, Primetime & LIE North tryouts and to be honest Eclipse had the top talent. My son did not make the U13 team because those kids were all big, strong and fast. My guess would be Eclipse has the first freshman commit.

Primetime beat LIE North last summer by 10 goals. Unless they got better talent I don't see LIE North competing with PT.d

which westchester programs have a 2024 age group? 91, express, eclipse i saw. any others?

Primetime has no players. Tristate 91 is awful. Long Island express has 10 good players. Not sure superstars or eclipse

That's not true. Primetime 2024 has 2 very good players and a kick [lacrosse] goalie. Tristate has 3/4 real players Bottom line every 24 team is aB team at best because they all have a load of c players

PrimeTime 2019 tied LI EXpress North last yeAr. North beat crabs last year by 4 goals

Freshman is grad year 2019. Express North is the better team by a sizable margin. Didn't Eclipse lose to the New Fairfield town team last summer?

I don't know what year you are talking but the 2019 teams tied in their only meeting last summer at NYIT. LIE North beat Dukes and Crabs, they have talent.

I was talking about 2021. Things got a little confusing answering posts. Anyone paying attention knows LIE North 2019 is the class of this area. It was a great tie for PT last summer.

Regarding the 2021 teams, I believe PT and LIE North should be a terrific battle. My son plays on the LIE 2020 team and we watched the PT v LIE N game last summer. Overmatched by PT's size. From what I have seen, the LIE N 2021 team is a lot better and bigger. Should be fun to watch them play against each other.

Anyone playing on Columbus Day on Long Island?

Good to hear LIE North 2021 got better, unfortunately we (PT 2021) lost a few good midfielders but gained a couple. Can't wait for Yale to see how we look.

What age is this? If you think it was 2019 you were watching the wrong game.

...and Team MN in Philly...didnt play in (m)any of the events with 91/Express/Crabs/Madlax/Edge/etc

This area is going to kill itself by diluting the talent pools - this isnt long island where Team 91's White team would crush most lower AA and upper A teams.

Amen. You got that right. The depth on Long Island at any age level is staggering. Take your kid to a tryout just to see how your kid stacks up. It's an eye opener

Let's not count out 2022 Primetime! Primetime took 2 out of 3 against LI Express A team this past season. Primetime has some very good talent.

Primetime 2022 is a real real real team. As good as any. Seems like the last year for true aa team. I don't have a 22 nor a kid on pt. Their record says it alln

i would love to see a coach or coaches capable of putting together 1 team im each grade level that can truly compete with long island, 2022 PT has done that , question for all the directors in westchester- how can you get the best 5 from each team and get them on one team, especially at the younger ages where it is more fragmented .

Not going to happen. Who is going to give up their kids? Anyway there are several Westchester teams that can already play at the highest levels: PT 2016, Preds 2017, LIENorth 2018. Now that there is a critical mass of teams in Westchester, I would love to see a tournament of local teams. But that too is not likely to happen since team owners are fearful of losing kids to winning teams. A tournament including PT, Preds, LIExpNorth, Eclipse, CTChargers and some others - how great would that be? We could stay in our own beds too.

i agree- im more talking younger ages as these teams are a hodgepodge of a,b, and c players alot of the older teams are already established, but the ideas of a local tourney is a great idea, why travel to play the same team that is in your backyard.

Primetime 2022 has one player (Yorktown), take him away and the team is B level. That's why the never won anything no depth.

I agree with both of you. PT 2021 has real good talent but no depth so when the weaker players play the LI teams take advantage. We played some really good games against excellent competition 91, Sons & Express but always come out on the short end because a lack of depth.

First off that's not the point. They compete very well against the best. And in west Chester that's an accomplishment

It's nice to use LI as a benchmark, especially considering its proximity, but people must be realistic. Especially as it regards depth, the best lacrosse in the world is played on LI. Using lax power as a reference, there are 401 HS teams in NYS playing lacrosse. 101 are on LI. Thats a full 25%. Much of that is within driving range of each other. And a much higher percentage of their youth are playing, which provides them with more of the top athletes. This all means that LI will field more and better club teams.

The Westchester club scene does not need to focus on forming super teams to beat the best from LI. There has been a recent growth in the amount of clubs and teams. In the short term, especially at the younger levels, you will see the talent spread maybe too thin. But this will get more kids playing, and will help improve the overall talent pool, which should grow the game and increase participation numbers over all. The spring town season is very short. More kids need to be getting reps in June and July and in the Fall. The kids will get better, depth will improve, and you will start seeing more deeply talented and better HS teams.

Also, the increase in Westchester clubs has also created room for talent to come in from nearby counties, since these areas do not have developed clubs for the most part.

And BTW, as someone who has been at numerous tournaments over multiple years, there are plenty of mediocre to poor LI teams. My kids have played and beaten them. And this is fine. Having more kids play more lacrosse is never a bad thing.

Excellent last post about how to think about Westchester in the context of LI.

great post , and very true, hopwever , i believe the one very important thing for these programs to do, is be realistic where their teams fit in the landscape talent wise. many would argue, but placing a b level team into a top tourney aginst the best teams is not always best at the younger ages where kids are looking for reps to build up their confidence. so if you are a team filled with B players - which is fine, then place them in a tourney or bracket where they can be competitive.

I get that LI is the mecca of lax, but why is Ct. High schools So much better than Westchester HS's.
Top Ct. teams Darien, New Canaan, Greenwich & Ridgefield are much better than any Section 1 team to include Yorktown. You cant say they have more players there. Whats the reason?

This is just an educated guess, but those might be 4 huge schools that also happen to be big time lacrosse towns. They have huge youth programs, and from what I have seen at tournaments, a lot more kids playing than any Westchester town. Of course someone can look up the enrollment numbers.

Could it be that they are 18 yr old juniors and 19 yr old senuors??

Each of those CT towns mentioned have very large and extremely well run/organized youth programs.

As per Lax Power, they are the top 4 teams in all of CT from last season. So in addition to being better than all of Westchester, they are also better than all of CT.

Also, between the 4 of them, they collectively only lost to each other, plus Brunswick (a prep school), St Anthonys (LI), Ward Melville, Smithtown East, Chaminade and Bronxville. So quite literally, outside of lacrosse heavyweights, those schools are beating everyone.

Does that mean CT. Should have better travel teams than Westchester?

Possibly, but a lot of the good CT kids are sprinkled across the Westchester club teams including PT , LIE North, others. However, with respect to CT, Eclipse has the bulk ... though most from New Canaan and Darien. More Greenwich kids go to PT.

That is it. Left back 19 year old kids playing HS lax. Greenwich and New Canaan have all left back kids.

Wow. Thats another topic. Our kids playing against bigger older kids will only make them better. I'd rather see my son get better than win some meaningless tournament in his youth.

What concerns me most about the development club lacrosse in Westchester/CT is that many (nearly all) of the clubs are based on and run by the coaches and staffs of HS programs. Ask the folks from LI how that plays out particularly when one club is 'directed' by 3-4 private (powerhouse) HS coaches. The conflict of interest can become very troubling and politics are often more important than talent/skill.

From what I've seen on BOTC regarding conflict of interest in the LI club scene, I think the dynamics in Westchester are different, particularly for the elite teams. That's not to say there aren't conflicts of interest. While there may be HS Coaches on club teams, at the elite programs, HS Coaches are not the club owners. Their compensation is not improved by getting more kids from the HS where they coach. While some of the elite programs have a core of players form one or two schools, they tend to draw from a much wider number of schools. Predators, Primetime, LIENorth draw from all over and there is a lot of interest to join and it�s difficult to make their teams. The first two only have one team at each level and appear more interested in performance than numbers, which from what I�ve read, is a source of conflict in LI.

Primetime- yes, Predators and LIExpress North--no.

You are spot on. One organization up in Dutchess County makes a unwritten prerequisite to play for the high school.

That comment about "one org up in dutchess county ..." seems totally off base and not accurate. Somebody with an agenda writing that.

Eclipse couldn't finish today. Lost to the LIE A team in the finals 7-5.

Good job Eclipse. Shows that some of the best Westchester/Fairfield teams are on par with the better Long Island teams.

Would that be the same coach who would have players play down when the played better teams.

What Express North teams are you referring to?

Which grade level?

Express North had two teams in the Legacy Columbus Day Tournament on Long Island. Their 2020 B (or as they call it single 'A') team and their 2023 team. Their 2020 B team went 0-3 and their 2023 team went 0-2-1. You can see it on tourney machine. Its too early to tell anything about LIENorth yet. The first tournament for their 2020-2022 teams is next week at the Halloween Havoc. We'll get a better feel for the caliber of middle school players in this organization during the next two weeks.

I think some expected this organization to be the second coming given the success of their 2018 team, but the 2018 team wasn't a product of LIENorth. It was started by Superstar and moved to LIENorth. Don't know the exact story behind it. Only time will tell. I wish them luck and hope they play some of the other Westchester/CT teams. We need more local tournaments/scrimmages.

Just a positive spin on some things. We all want to compete and be on a great team etc. I get that but why do you have to bash another in the process. Express North is new to the area and still getting the younger teams in order. Superstars has been around a lot longer and has helped tons of kids develop and is led by a guy that has done more for the sport than just about if not anyone in the area. I'm sure PT and the others have quality people as well, just haven't had the opportunity to meet them. If you are happy where you are playing enjoy it, if not find a place where you are.

A "B" team playing in an "A" bracket, are the results a surprise? Do some of you people post just to stir up S*^*?

2018 Express North has always had the same coaching staff.

Those are the people who are driving the broader Express North program. Superstar (good club in their own right) had little/nothing to do with success of Express North 2018 team.

I suspect Express North will continue to be a highly competitive program overall in the years to come.

Chris Schreiber is the Director of Express North and started in March of last year and now has 2 teams at 2020. Giving kids a chance to play and learn from quality coaches. Unfortunately town programs lack quality coaching at every level.

When are Havoc details to be published?

A good number of the players never even played for Superstar so it's true that Superstar had nothing to do with the success of the program. They used the name with permission of the director of Superstar but he didn't do anything with or for the program.

You are right the were called Superstars 365 and Colsey had nothing to do with them.

How/who formed the original Express North 2018 team then if Superstar/Colsey weren't really involved? Who coaches that team?

Chris Schreiber.
If you ever went to a game he coaches u couldnt miss him. Played for Hopkins and is uncle of Tom Schreiber.

ExpressNorth 22AA struggled against top teams yesterday . 2020AA Express North won AA bracket . 2021 won A bracket by a large margin

2 out of 3 is pretty darn good for a new program, i know the 2023 didnt fare well last weekend, so 2/4 not too shabby

What age?

Eclipse couldn't finish today. Lost to the LIE A team in the finals 7-5.

What age?


It was U/13 / 2021

2021 was in the B bracket. Very disappointing as we think we are becoming a strong team. Won't know unless we play the A bracket.

I watched that 2021 LIE North Champ Game. They came down to LI to win an easy championship. Why are they afraid to play A. Whats the worst that can happen. You loose and learn from what went wrong.

You are a jerk and on top of that u can't spell .go spread your misery to your family.

guess i was correct

Lets see what division they put themselves in this weekend @ Blatant. I believe last year they won it playing A. Imagine they play down in B

What was the score?

who gives a [lacrosse] - how about great job, kids working together as a team to achive a common goal- its a 2 year old program- primetime could not even put a 4th grade team together this year - li express north 2020 team as well. its fall lax- get a life people

FYI.. there are no AA divisions on LI. They have A and B. A divisions generally have some legit teams but there is a precipitous drop in quality of the B divisions. I'm not taking anything away from the winners. As big as lax is on LI, there is still a massive amount of expansion so there are a large number of teams that are 1-2 years old. Staying competitive with those teams is a benchmark of success for northern teams.

AA = A
A = B

People use that method so they can sell the program as not having a "B" team. No one wants to tell people their kid is on the "B" team and that is a problem. It's ok to have "B" teams, and it is also OK to play "B" lacrosse if that is the level you are currently at. Why we need to try to justify a lower level team is beyond me.

USA Hockey has AAA, AA, and A tiers, but that isn't the case in lacrosse, so program directors are doing their best to make this their model. Now a kid can choose program 1 because they gave him a spot on the "A" team over team 2 which gave him a spot on the "B" team, even though they are the same level.

I coach HS and club lacrosse. I played college lacrosse. My son isn't old enough to play organized yet but I check this site because my parents brought it to my attention and I wanted to see the madness for myself.

If my son decides to play lacrosse, I will pay for the team that he makes and deserves to be on. The team that he is comfortable on. The team he is excited to wake up and go to. If he is the best kid in the B bracket I will say that proudly. If he is a third line middie on the A team I will say that proudly (if asked). If he decides he doesn't like lacrosse anymore, I will say that proudly.

AA = A
A = B

People use that method so they can sell the program as not having a "B" team. No one wants to tell people their kid is on the "B" team and that is a problem. It's ok to have "B" teams, and it is also OK to play "B" lacrosse if that is the level you are currently at. Why we need to try to justify a lower level team is beyond me.

USA Hockey has AAA, AA, and A tiers, but that isn't the case in lacrosse, so program directors are doing their best to make this their model. Now a kid can choose program 1 because they gave him a spot on the "A" team over team 2 which gave him a spot on the "B" team, even though they are the same level.

I coach HS and club lacrosse. I played college lacrosse. My son isn't old enough to play organized yet but I check this site because my parents brought it to my attention and I wanted to see the madness for myself.

If my son decides to play lacrosse, I will pay for the team that he makes and deserves to be on. The team that he is comfortable on. The team he is excited to wake up and go to. If he is the best kid in the B bracket I will say that proudly. If he is a third line middie on the A team I will say that proudly (if asked). If he decides he doesn't like lacrosse anymore, I will say that proudly.

Why don't you get a life. This website is for people to express their opinions. If you can't handle the truth stay off.

And then one day he doesn't make the team you think he should because you are all knowing and bang you're in the thick of. It's okay you wouldn't be the first nor the last. noone know what the future holds. Good luck on your ride.

That was a lot to say for someone with no kids playing travel or even of travel age. You're just weird. If you're already posting then guess what, you are going to be the WORST of them all! Good lord I feel bad for your kid already...

If you rank lacrosse programs based on showcase invitations then Prime Time is #1. I'm very thankful I ignored the rhetoric being spewed by some loud mouths about which program has the most clout. We made the right choice.

how is express north 2024?

No doubt prime time in the hay day had the best players. But with all these new programs popping up. That is changing. It's really sad. But it's true. Primetime had a monopoly in the area. As an example. They were unable to field a 4th grade squad this year. Again. Sad. But reality

Can't argue with the showcase numbers. Someone still believes PT is still the premiere program up here. If not PT, then who?

I'm saying that is 10000% true now. But won't be the case in 5 years as kids are now spread out. I'm not anti pt.

Eclipse

PT is still strong. Their 2018 team can compete with anybody. 2022 really strong.

PT does have a 4th grade team, all set with roster. They just aren't playing in the Fall, only Spring/Summer.

Primetime does not have a fourth grade team they were unable to put enough kids together for fall tournament team. The kids that were signed up for the team are now practicing with the fifth grade team

PT's high school team are very strong and can play with anyone. The youth has too many john jay kids as they are trying to strengthen the JJ HS program, but he weeds them out for his HS teams. I agree that 3d Tristate, Eclipse, LIE North & even Superstars will all get better and lax in this area will become much stronger.

The Fall program for the PT youth teams is optional. Many kids play other sports and choose not to do the Fall. As a result, they will often field a combined team (such as 2021/2022 or 2022/2023) depending on the numbers that choose to do Fall. Has been this way in the past and no diff this year.

What showcase or showcases are you talking about?

I'm not anti pt. But the fact is that the 2024 team had 14 kids at each tryout and they were begging anyone with 4 limbs to play. The fact is Daniello has hurt as many kids as he has helped. In the future that program will not be what it was. I hear Daniello is on the john jay board now so maybe he will strong arm these poor kids into playing pt.

express north 2024 coach is giner from JJ.

My son plays for superstar 2024. We attended pt , 91, and Long Island express as well as the team we picked. Express north had the greatest depth in talent. Not suggesting they can compete at the hughes level. But saying in the north they seemed to have the greatest number of better kids

Giner is asst coach. Jay hill Harvey school is coach

didn't 91 get beat up last weekend on LI? superstars doing a fall tourney

91 did not get beat up last weekend. They lost 2 games by 1 and 1 game by 5 and played with a kid that never played goalie

Where is this #1 program playing this fall or next summer? Using clout or politics to get some kids into a several hundred player Showcase is one thing - getting the team to play in front of a slew a college coaches every week this fall and next summer is another thing.

They lost to a town team, a brand new b team program and million who is a low end B team.

im not a91 parent but give me a break- no one said they were a high level super team- that is ignorant- every team with the exception of the wolfpack, taz and a few others in LI are a glorified town team, lets look at westchester - 91- larchmont, scarsdale , john jay- express north- bedford, John jay, Primetime- John Jay, (if they even have a team) every single team has some combination of town kids. Last year PT lost to garden city 4th grade, big time teams get beat by Manhasset 32, the point is- 91 - did not get blown up, they competed and lost

What town team beat them

So called B teams from LI are as good, if not better than, top teams elsewhere. No shame in losing to LI teams. The lax is great out there, especially the depth. As for 91 TS, they had young teams out there. For instance, they played in the 2022 bracket with a team of mostly 2023 kids. In the summer they will be more on age and will do fine.

My son is a 2019 grad, I don't care about 5 years from now. Primetime made promises about showcases and they delivered.

daniello works very very hard for his boys!!!

Will be curious to see if this is one of those showcases where the all star games are picked before the games are even played. Tough to stand out - over 250 kids coming...

As I said for HS showcases Daniello is the best. For youth not so much. 2020,2021,& 2023 were low grade B teams. 2022 was a solid A team. My suggestion play elsewhere for youth and play for PT in the HS years.

Headed to a nice tourney next weekend should get a good sense of where we belong. Who can tell me which team is the better of the Laxachusetts teams White or Green. Do they have another team?

They have many teams - Black being the best - no idea which colors come next, have a feeling those kids swap back and forth between all those teams depending on need.

They are absolutely known for swapping kids from team to team depending on the schedule. You may be scheduled to play their 3rd team, but if the black team is free, expect 7-8 of their kids to show up. They are a complete joke.

Black will be with all the other top 2019 teams next weekend at Boys Latin - loaded group - Madlax, 91, Edge, Crabs, Express, Express North, HHH

batch slapped

Just came from the Blatant tournament. Looks like they had the express 2021 in the A bracket. They beat outlaws, 91 and igloo. Lost to Channy in the final pretty badly.. Looked like they were out of gas.

those are igloo and 91 B teams

North 2021 beat solid teams in Outlaws & Avalanche. They both are top ten teams on the Island. Channy's team has some real good athletes.

That Avalanche team beat Primetime twice last summer,

Thank you for being so predictable. If you are one of the over bearing LI Igloo parents who couldn't shut up and were berating their own players, you should be real proud. "This is embarrassing" was said more than once. The Igloo parents were more into the game than any of the players. Get a life and let the kids play the game and have just a little fun.

other than 2022 tean- express north has fared pretty well for the most part

PT had well over 100 kids tryout for 2019 team. $70/per kid to have a shot and that many showed. There has to be a reason so many wanted to play there. Good pay day for them too. I'm not a fan of the pay to tryout but I'm also not a business type guy. Many parents not too happy with the amount of kids that showed up and in long run it hurts a progroam in my opinion.

More kids at tryouts indicates there is more interest and competition for spots. That generally favors the overall quality of the team if they have strong coaching (a big if).

Some parents may not like it because their kid may not get the call.

Welcome to the world of competitive club lacrosse. It is not always pleasant and there are plenty of 'life lessons' to be had.

We will beat you guys next time. Everyone knows lacrosse is only played on LI. Upstate is B level lax

Tool.

Very impressed with north 2021. We spanked them last year at NLF and now they won 7 out of 8 games this fall only losing to a strong team in Express Channy. Guess we will have our hands full at Yale, lol

Who is "we"?

and only beating B teams from igloo and 91

U and your agenda are funny your either miserable or I wonder who

I think it came off as more of a money grab. They know only 4 maybe 5 spots will turnover and they see 124 kids sign up for the tryout. You can build brand equity by sending an email stating a high number of kids trying out for limited spots. In a perfect world at least.

Or set up a b team and grab more bucks

Did they take the best of the hundred.

PT

The current 2021 Express North team is completely different from the one you played last summer. Our guys were physically overmatched, not anymore. Should be a much more competitive game next time.

Yeah I did see the 6 foot middie. Quite tall for a 7th grader!

Bronxville, a small Class C school, destroyed Greenwich 14-4 last year. . CT teams don't really want to play the better Westchester teams. Yorktown is as good as anyone in the state.

Predators 2017 is a Nationally prominent team. They won a huge tournament this summer in Philly. Their coaches are very focused on player development. I think this is what sets the program apart from the others. I understand they are now focusing on the 2020 team. The previously focused on the 2014 group. this three year cycle really helps them develop a product that is attractive to colleges.

I agree, you guys got better and we lost a couple of decent players and added a few. Stayed the same.

Lol Bronxville was loaded with great talent. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut. Westchester lax does not compare to Ct. Lax and that's with Brunswick taking most of the best players. Darien & New Canaan are the class of the northeast.

This was discussed earlier in this thread - and discussed more maturely. Quite literally, the 4 or 5 best CT programs are all on Westchester's doorstep. Yes, these few programs are probably better than the best 4 or 5 from Westchester. As are maybe the best 4 or 5 from PA, MA and some other states. But as for the rest of CT - Westchester teams compare quite favorably.

the school districts in CT are usually quite larger- Darien has a huge talent base to draw from, Ridgefield, etc.

The game has only been played in these so called "hotbeds" until very recently. You are not really accomplishing anything when you have no competition. It is starting to change, just take a look at U Denver's championship roster.

I guess quality lacrosse is still played north of the Throgs Neck Bridge? 2019 Express North 3-0 today with wins over The Edge (their edge is they are a year older than all the other teams they play), Crabs and True Blue.

The non-stop mouths on LI and elsewhere can pipe down now.

Prime time 1-2, North is the class of 2019 of over the bridge

Legacy was a B tournament this weekend. All top teams in PA

wheres the PT poster who bashes Express Awfully quiet wonder why

Top 2019s were in Maryland / Boys Latin today 91,express, express north,crabs Madlax edge,leading edge Laxachutes AA,Michigan Blue,Century /Texas .

So was that primetime's B team or they went 1-2 against b teams?

PT doesn't have B teams

Primetime 2018 is their premier team going 4-0 this weekend. 2019 definitely cant play with the big boys but a quality organization.

going forward - going to be very difficult for any westchester team to consistently put A teams on the field. too many teams,watered down. getting to be that way on LI as well. how many true A teams exist

Express North 2019 might be the class of 2019....period.

This is very true - biggest issue is that clubs want to market themselves as the "best" and "elite". If you market yourself for what you are - good opportunity for nice, but maybe not elite, players to play together with good coaches and get better (and have fun!) - they would be a lot better off IMO.

Express north and Prime time 2018 combined have 15 to20 D1 commits ,both teams dominated this weekend .

pretty amazing

more parody is better for the game. its why the nfl is so great

I concur express north 2019 is as good as any team in 2019

Eclipse 2017,2018 & 2019 went a strong 7-1-1 at Legacy. Only loss was to a strong PT 2018 6-4. Their teams are full of D1 commits. Just shows how strong lax is north of LI.

How have you done against the top 4 -- Madlax, 91, Laxachusetts, HHH?

Not sure as my child is a 2021 player. The Coach and director of Express North (Schreiber) told me the have very few losses over the last few years. If I remember correctly it's only 5. They beat Crabs, True Michigan & Edge Canada yesterday. Very impressive.

They have come a long way in a short period, for sure. Impressive group, may be in top 5 of the age group

Reclassification helps

Beat them all accept for 91. I believe we would now beat Team 91 handily.

Defenseman from Express North has committed to Michigan 2019

More Express North kids will follow. IMO. The players are too good and the team wins.

PT 2019 have any potential commits?

No it doesn't!

Although you did well at a tournament that doesn't necessarily show how strong you are. North 2019 running the table shows how strong they are, everything is relative!

Result is misleading - Eclipse 2018 and 2017 are in fact loaded. 2019 not so much - struggling both last summer and this past weekend and not playing the field that was at Boys Latin.
Every program has different strong ages - Superstar is leaving theirs once the strong Ridgefield teams graduate, younger ages not good (all the early HS kids now play for North). Eclipse is new as well, good owners and coaches...has promise but is not deep at all ages out of the box.

I am a north parent , one of our parents who is posting needs to stop with his arrogance / comments .Stop !

Apologies

The 2017 Eclipse team is pretty much lights-out. I havent seen a better 2017 team anywhere so far. Eclipse 2018 strong as well, and also improving (not to mention they were missing two of their studs this past weekend too). I know 2019 has made number of changes from last year, and should be much improved this year given a few of their additions....2019 was 2-0-1 last weekend (albeit not against the same top-10 level competition that was down at BL), and the one tie was their first game of the day.....not bad for a team that I dont think has had a single practice together this fall, and had several newcomers. For the 2019 age group in CT/WChst, the talent is pretty evenly spread around between Eclipse, Chargers, and LIE N, so all three of those teams are strong, but not sure any of the 3 would be viewed as dominant at the top national level. LIE N may have the first 2019 commit (and to a great school at that), but both Chargers and Eclipse have kids of that same level talent that are getting similar early d1 interest.

And really, at the end of the day, does it matter to anyone other than SOME of the players Dads' who wins a 2-goal game? I would bet you that the Ivy and NESCAC coaches I saw on the sidelines of the games last weekend in MA couldnt tell you today who won the Eclipse/PT 2018 game or the Eclipse/Team11 2019 game. I want my kid to play on a team where he gets good coaching (club doesnt just focus on their 3 studs per class) to improve his game, goes to the right tournaments to get exposure to good competition and maybe a look from a few college coaches, has a coach who can advocate for him when he needs it with a college coach or an individual showcase director, and most importantly, a team where he actually enjoys playing with his teammates. My $.02 anyway.

Amen...

I agree and disagree. I agree the talent may not have been as high in Ma. But I do think the college coaches absolutely took notice at some of the team's playing and winning. was great tournament and fit a nice for both clubs and coaches.i

Eclipse 2019tied a LI Express B team plus the 17s are the old chargers kids my $.02

Eclipse dad, I think you may be a bit blinded by the beautiful landscaping in New Canaan. In my opinion - In 2019, Chargers are a shell of their former self. Eclipse is a good team but not even close to Express North. I wouldn't go pounding your chest about tying LIE B team, beating Laxucheuttes C team and winning 5-4 over a team thrown together for the tournament(Team 11). Eclipse are similiar to Predators at 2019. Some elite players, some good players with great coaching. In 2018 - Prime Time and Express North are superior. In 2017, Eclipse and Predators are best of bunch in CT and Westchester. Good luck to everyone this weekend in PA, MA and MD.

I guess thats why they play the games...we will see who can hang and who cant. Would be surprised if Chargers 2019 are a "shell" given a few of their studs that as far as I know are still there, but I haven't seen them play in a while.

And for the record there was no "chest pounding" about the teams that Eclipse 2019 beat this weekend. Clearly stated before that the competition at 2019 was watered down vs the other grades. Although that didnt stop Deluca from watching the Eclipse/Team11 2019 game pretty much all the way thru.......must have been something he was interested in from either these "not top tier" or "thrown together" teams. Given the choice, I think i'd rather have Harvard watching my kid play in MA, than Maryland or Denver watching somewhere else.

And thank you, the view is beautiful here this time of year

The key to all these relatively local programs is can they build behind good early success. Will take a while but folks have to be patient as most of these programs do, as others have said, have great coaching / contacts etc..

Eclipse has loaded 17 and 18 teams as New Canaan / Darien great at those ages.

Express North followed the success of the 18s with the 19s now.

Primetime, while not new, does have loaded 18s and up. Can the repeat the success at younger ages?

primetime doesnt even have a 4th grade team this year - they have killed their reputation in the john jay nhood, all the kids are going to express

Prime Time did in fact select a fourth grade team from their tryouts. As for the reputation in the John Jay community they still have plenty of boys on their rosters from John Jay. Good for Prime Time taking the best players instead of being politically correct in taking inferior playears just because they love in the John Jay community.

PT does have a 4th grade team this year. You are not informed. Full roster set. They are just not playing Fall.

Across a variety of ages, PT is also drawing more from other towns including Greenwich, Wilton, etc.

well you can call it politically incorect all you want- but when you have used the john jay fields for free all these years and president of JJYL signs off on it, and then cut john jay kids , especially after they have played for 2-3,4 yaers , i would say that is morally disgusting- what has PT done for jjyl? free tryouts? no, freee clinics? no. just take take take - but lets get back to 2024- PT 2024 had 14 kids at each tryout and a good portion of them left for express north. a few are playing in Greenwich, so if they do have a 4th grade team, i am betting it one that will not be competitive or probably filled with 3rd graders.

even more politically incorrect is that the director of PT is now on the youth lacrosse board. fact is , that area is a political nightmare for youth lacrosse and it all stems from the awful reputation of people that do not look out for the boys in the community

great stuff- my son played on PT 2023 last year - we got destroyed every single game, we even got beat by town teams, talent below 2022 is going somewhere else, not sure where

my son played for PT 2023 last year as well. Yes we got destroyed but I can tell you that all of the area teams in that age group did not do well. Prime Time and other local teams played in some talented brackets in some tough tournaments. My point is there are to many teams in a small area and the talent in watered down. Each team will have some serious holes.

pulling from Greenwich because of Bulkey. Hiring the Greenwich Coach was very smart. Daniello is always thinking about his brand. Only mistake is he keeps to many inferior JJ kids during youth years. These kids go elsewhere and helping other organizations, ie: North, 3d select, Eclipse and so on.

JJ parents don't know how good they have it with Daniello. Without PT JJ lax would be brutal. They are always the bottom of the CONNY league

thats because - he needs those jj youth kids to pay the freight and then when he doesnt need them he throws them off the very fields that their parents pay taxes for,. i dont blame daniello , i blame past(EL) and the present president (FM) of jjyl. FM was begging kids to play PT this year , suggesting that Daniello really cared about the jj kids. what a crock. its all about the money- lets just be honest.

thats a pretty stupid comment? what has daniello done for jjyl? u just said they are always at the bottom of the conny league? if he is so great, then why isnt jjyl better than the bottom? what has Primetime done for JJYL? absolutely nothing except charge high prices for useless programs while getting the facilities for free .

Bottom line if JJ kids are good then they won't get thrown off the team. PT is a travel program that boys have to tryout for, it is not a JJ town team that everyone makes and play. It is not fair to the boys who are better then the rest and don't get a spot on the team just because they are not from JJ. Parents should always remind themselves that competitive lacroose involves cuts to a roster.

i completely agree with that above comment- its a travel team and the goal of that team is to win with the best players - what i am saying is that , PT should pay back the youth organization with free clinics, through out the year for the use of the free fields. Daniello should be working closely with the youth programs in order to help out the overall talent.

Prime Time came in 3rd in Ma and you're calling them superior. You are giving the teams that beat them to much credit. LB3 where are they from? and Outlaws are they strictly LI kids? or does Select mean they are pulling from all over the eastern seaboard like the rest do? Chargers a shell? I am sure they will have some players back every once in a while. For now lets just Say EN, then leave some room for everyone else; Eclipse, Predators (since they dint lose this weekend) then Prime-Time.

Predators 2017 didn't they have some talented 2018 on it? Are they a Jersey Rockland group? 2017 eclipse do they have "older" players?

A good question might be when will Westchester have an elite tournament or showcase, then and only then will you show the rest of the areas you have multiple elite teams and can be a hot bed.

for the record not saying you're not a hot bed just hate the turnpike. Wouldn't mind a trip to Westchester instead

Predators draws primarily from (lower) Westchester. Don't know of anyone from outside, but could be mistaken. Their 2017 team were all 2017s last year and same this year. Predators 2017-19 will be playing in their first tournament at Harvard this weekend. The schedule is posted. There are only a few games with local or LI teams. 2018 plays 3d Tristate and 2017 plays LI Sting and 3d Tristate. Would agree that Preds 2017 is top team along with 2017 Eclipse in WC/CT area. Preds 2017 won NXT Philly Summmer invitational and Adrenaline Summer invitational last year. Know many of the kids on Eclipse 2017. They are stacked! Preds 2018/19 teams have some elite players, but teams are probably not best in area. Will know more this weekend. Would love to see them play other local teams.

and why should PT pay the youth organization. Isnt it school field not youth fields, I could be wrong. Maybe the school district shuld see the $$ but definitely not the youth organization.

what you are imply goes down the worst of roads.

First. Off. Jjyl was signing an affidavit every year implying that pt was an extension of the youth program in order to gain access to fields that would not be normally be available to a "for profit " organization. And in term
S of payment. Well it doesn't have to be in the form of money. It could be instruction, clinics, maybe drop tryout fee for residents. Etc.

And again your wrong. The field use is for July not for a profit to use as an extension. The $$ or any good will goes to school district pretty cut and dry in NYS. Looks like the more you push the more JJKL school district can even revolk the youth organization from using school field.

Now insurance is a separate issue. I am sure Prime Time has their own.

Daniello personally coached the 2020 team in JJYL last season and helped make a weak team much better. He also gets other coaches to help out. What more do you want, his blood. You JJ parents are nuts.

JJKL not July

Does it really matter where it goes. Bottom line is pt wasn't paying for the fields at all. They were getting them for free.

does tri state 91 have any committed kids yet?

I think you are mistaken, The issue as I see it isn't they got the field for free the issue is JJYL cant broker the fields as they wish then expect something in return. Quid pro quo

i agree - jjyl should be in trouble as well - well that is why PT is no longer using school fields - point really was that PT was taking advantage of teh system and jjyl was helping them, they are both wrong - only difference is that PT is making money and technically JJYL is non profit, or so they say

best part is that daniello was giving 2k a year to the jj booster club to keep everyone quiet and when people started complaining, he stopped giving the money

It's not like JJYL or any JJ school teams got thrown off school fields so PT could use them. It is coming off like sour grapes.

exactly, pay a nominal fee for the use of the fields. do not be forced to take a certain amount of JJ kids, but offer clinics and camps and before you know it it will be a power house again.

This. Most municipal entities will give priority to local non-profit sports leagues that show that their participants are all, or nearly all, residents of the community. These organizations will get free use of the field. With whatever field use is left over, they will charge surprisingly low fees for organizations with outside membership.

Yikes, talk about beating a dead horse.

good test for express 2024 tomorrow. outlaws and igloo down at princeton.

Igloo 6. Express north 3. Express north was missing some real firepower today I am told. Not too bad

And then got mauled by outlaws 11-2. Not a great day

4th grade? Sure, better panic about their quality of play. Nut jobs.

I don't see any westchester 4th grade team coming close. Express north was missing 2/3 of their starting attack And a few more players. Starting goalie left after the 3rd game.

There's the angry PT guy very consistent.

Stop I am not angry just telling it like it is PT is the #1 organization north of Long Island and the 2nd best organization isn't close to us. We beat everyone in the area #1.

Happy PT parent

That may have been true. And true for some teams. But clearly that is changing at a rapid pace. Especially at the younger ages

You don't think Express North is up there? I find that hard to believe, their 2018 just as good if not better than PT and the 2019 team far exceeds PT 2019. As far as the younger grades, it's a crapshoot for both organization.

I'm glad your happy with your program but let's not be delusional.

Things in Westchester/CT are changing very quickly. Every club will stumble in a given age/class.

To a certain extent this is a good thing. More/better competition helps the development of all the kids. But there is a point of saturation at which it all becomes watered down. You'll know that time has arrived when clubs merge and/or buy each other.

The clubs which can consistently add value will flourish. That includes quality instruction (first and foremost), scheduling, recruitment, and player promotion (college commitment). The clubs that just roll a ball out there and let the kids play will eventually fade away.

Unfortunately it's all our opinions, but PT has been on top since knocking Superstars off the perch years ago. Each organization may have a strong team at a certain age but PT overall is #1 north of LI. This summer will hopefully clear things up.

so - what i find really intersting and i heard this first hand- Daniello approached Roy Colsey and tries to merge the 2 organizations. Colsey told him no.

I bet that has a lot to do about the American Lacrosse Academy and also 2 teams per age group equals more money. Remember he quit his day job (attorney) to do PT full time. Now that he has to pay for fields he may be regretting that move.

Top teams north of LI

2016 -

Best team Primetime ever assembled.

2017 -
1 - Eclipse
2 - Primetime

2018 -
1 - Primetime
2 - Eclipse
3 - North

2019 -
1 - LIE North
2 - Eclipse

2020 -
1 - LIE North

2021 -
1 - Eclipse
2 - LIE North
3 - 2

2022 -
1 - Primetime
2 - North
3 - 91 tri-state

Preds 2017 beat PT 2017 at Tristate two years ago, wasn't even close. Teams do change year to year and I will acknowledge PT team is good, but don't see how you can say PT is better than Preds 2017 based upon PT's 2014 loss to Preds and Pred's body of work in summer of 2015: Preds 2017 won the 2015 NXT (also attended by PT) and Adrenaline Summer Invitationals. Of course until they play this is all conjecture. Perhaps next summer they will.

only one man's opinion. feel free to change or put your own view up for all to see. This was more to start a dialogue and see how other teams are doing. nothing would make me feel better than seeing this area kick Long Island butt.

PT 2017 marginal at best

Primetime should be 1 or 2 in 2021 division. 2018- Express North should be higher. 2019 Express North is clearly the class of the region. 2020, no qualms

We will get an early read on many of the younger teams as I think lie north, predators, primetime and chargers are playing at Yale this weekend.

How did Westchester teams do at Harvard Crimson tourney last weekend?

Now this is a good post. Seems pretty solid though arguments can be made up and and down the line. Wish 2023 was included. Yale should help solidify this list. Though, really, we all know this area really needs a local tourney for these local teams to battle it out. Frustrating how team directors are so worried to play one another for fear of losing. They won't even scrimmage. Nuts to travel to Harvard when so many to face are within 30 minutes.

Good news for 2021

Primetime vs. LIE North at Yale on Saturday.

We will find out who is #1 in Westchester.

get used to it, LI team rarely played each other when they were younger

Also Prime Time 2023/2022 vs LI North 2022 at Yale this Saturday.

They do not have LIE North in that division. The schedule I am looking at has #D Tri Stare, Necks 2021 & Primetime. They have LIE Express in Blue North

The most up to date schedule is now posted on the Yale Bulldog website. Both PT 2021 and 2023/2022 teams are playing LI North

2021 Yellow North PT and LI North. 2022 Brown North 2023/2022 PT and LI North. Both play each other.

This is great stuff. Two men that are doing a great job in Westchester Daniello & Schreiber. Let's see who comes out on top. A lot of these kids know each other and it should be two fun games. It's what sports is all about competition, rivalries and friendship.

Great post! Some may play school ball together many will play some region events together. Keep the rivalry and competition lively but make sure the friendships run deep!

Why is Express 2020 playing in the B division at Yale? I thought they were an A team.

No chance of winning and putting a pic on the wbsite

There are several teams in divisions that they don't belong in. This is going to be a trainwreck.

Problem is there are no A divisions at Yale. It has become a "B" level tournament.
Express North & Primetime should wipe up the competition.

You could probably say the same for most of the fall tourneys. And rightly so. Kids have other sports to play.

3d NE was very good over the summer

Score from express north 2024 vs 91?

How did the Westchester & CT youth teams do today at the Yale tournament? I am especially interested to hear how the better Westchester & CT 2020, 2021 & 2022 teams did (such as Primetime, Predators, 3D Tristate, LIE North and Chargers). Thanks in advance for any updates.

Express North 2020 went 4-0

Below is a bunch scores noted from the board at Yale:

2020s:
PT beat 3D Tristate 9-2
TGNecks beat PT 7-1
91 Crush beat Chargers 16-1
Express N beat Superstar 8-2
91 Crush beat Preds 13-1
91 Crush beat NH tomahawks 6-3


2021s:
2way beat 3D NE 4-0
PT beat TG Necks 12-1
PT beat Express N 11-1
2way tie Preds 1-1
PT beat 91 Ambush 6-3
Express N beat TG Necks 6-3
91 Anbush beat Express N 6-3
Express N beat TG necks 6-3

2022s:
2way beat Preds 2-1
3D NE beat Preds 5-3
Superstar beat 2way 9-4
PT 22/23 beat 3D tristate 6-1
Superstar beat Preds 7-0
3D NE beat 2way 8-1
PT 22/23 beat Express N 5-3
Express N beat TG necks 7-1
TG Necks beat 3D tristate 8-3

Prime Time 2023/2022 went 4-0 won their bracket (Beat LI North 5-3)
Prime Time 2021 went 4-0 won their bracket (Beat LI North 11-1)
PT 2020 went 2-2

Fixed the PT v 3d TS score. 2020 PT, 3d, and Preds are all evenly matched.

At Yale, Tomahawks were the class of their bracket eventually losing to Crush in the final. Gave the Crush a decent game and not the usual 'walk over' to which Crush are accustomed. Congrats to them.

PT beat 3d, 3d beat the 'Necks, and the 'Necks beat PT. Rankings went down to goals allowed which resulted in... 2nd-Necks, 3rd-3d, 4th-PT. Good competition all day.

3d and Preds played at Harvard with 3d winning by one goal. Again, very evenly matched. Could go either way. So you have three teams who have faced off against each other and the games have been roughly even.

The Express North was placed, or choose to participate, in the lower bracket at Yale so it is very difficult to determine where they fit. They did win two tourneys on LI with relative ease, but those were primarily against town teams so the jury is still out. Similarly we don't really know much about Eclipse although they were invited to Denver last year. Hopefully they will add even more to the mix.

2020 in Westchester/CT is and will continue to be very competitive and I'm sure they all will win and lose to each other because I don't see any team with 'all the pieces'.

Potentially there are as many as five teams that can play with each other. That is great for the development of the kids as long as the teams don't dodge each other like some teams on LI do.

Eclipse 2021 is a strong team. Lost to icon today 5-4 in the championship round at a Maryland tournament. These two teams had beaten the crabs and edge in the playoffs to get to the finals. Eclipse had also beaten icon earlier in the day. Primetime and eclipse will definitely challenge Long Island for spots at the World Series tournament.

PT 22/23 was in lower bracket so tough to say how good there 22 team is. It is the fall so who really cares who did what, many kids missing in Fall tourneys.

True, I watched some 2022 games and I could say that PT 22 is going to have a good summer. They basically won very handily all the games at Yale despite having a team with about 40% of 2023 kids and 1 2024 on it. The younger PT teams look like they are improved from last year. LI North played very well also, giving PT a good game. quote=Anonymous]PT 22/23 was in lower bracket so tough to say how good there 22 team is. It is the fall so who really cares who did what, many kids missing in Fall tourneys. [/quote]

Superstar 2022 easily in top 3

How did Preds 2023 do at Yale?

If I am not mistaken they made it to the finals but lost big to Team 91.

Express North 2019 beat Edge, Crabs, Sweetlax..... time to gel? They are a top 3 2019 team in the country.

Wow props to Schreiber. Great wins and I agree they are definitely a top team in the country

Eclipse got eclipsed

I saw the LI Express North 2019 game vs Sweatlax a few weekends ago and it made me question the entire early recruiting process. How can Sweatlax have 8...9...10? kids committed to big D1 programs and I don't think LIE North has a single kid committed yet. Express North was the better team up and down the field and could have won by 3-4 goals if they didn't slow the play down. It's a mystery.

Its because they actually play like a team, and not like a bunch of kids just showing off how good their "split dodge/shoot on the run" showcase game is to college coaches. Its kinda nice to watch. Having a few notable 16 yo hold-backs doesnt hurt either (altho their predominantly age-appropriate D is pretty damn good). The LIE-N draw was really weak this past weekend tho (not their fault).

After watching a number of games this weekend, the matchup I would like to see is LIE-N vs Laxachusetts. That Laxa team is just downright nasty.

.....and no, im not an express parent....actually my kid plays on one of the LIE-N "local competitors". I'm just secure enough about myself (and my son) to not be afraid to praise other teams. Our team didnt win all our games this weekend in Philly, but there were multiple high-level D1 coaches on the sideline of EVERY game we played. So if your kid played well in a game or two in Philly this weekend, I guarantee that at least a few coaches noticed, even if your team lost. And I think thats why we bother paying the $$ and schlepping to PA, right?

Good man and coach. He has done wonders with that team

In a time where many clubs are more focused on primarily recruiting great players to their program as a means to fielding a great team, CS actually develops a lot of good players into better players and takes ok teams and makes them into highly competitive teams. That is a great experience for a kid willing to put in the work. CS deserves a lot of credit for actually developing young players and building teams.

CS recruits as hard as anyone else so let's not make him a saint. Nothing wrong with trying to make your team stronger. As said CS is doing a great job. He recruits for all grades to make Express North as strong as they can be. Once people realize he has as many connections if not more than PT and other clubs he will get even stronger.

We (I am an LIE North Dad) beat Laxachusetts this past summer and it was a battle. I think the team does so well is because they do actually play like a team. I noticed the other LI Express 2019 team has a few ball hogs and once the opponent figures out they are not passing, they get shut down and its why they lose. Some kids are showcase trained and do put on a good show, but is that what a college coach wants? I tell my son to play the game the right way regardless of who is watching.

I watched many teams, as long as Laxa is in the 2019 division they will win. I think they are the new "Edge" for the spring 2016.

When you write they are the new "Edge", are you inferring they are all older kids?

Don't forget Lourdes in Dutchess County. They are playing for the football State Championship in Class A in Syracuse. If they ever get a real lax Coach with those athletes skies the limit.

2022 - Hill

2021 - Regan

Two good coaches who need to do well today at a low level tournament.

How did 2024 Express North do today down on LI?

How did Express North 2021 and 2022 do today?

1-1-1. Tied oreilly. Lost to schwalje by 1

Well done... Shows them Westchester can hang.

[quote=Anonymous]Well done... Shows them Westchester can hang. [/quote
Ha hilarious.

Pt basher surfaces again. Must bother u a lot to consistently post. Wonder why

Huh?

Where does PT come into this? Sounds like dad has some confidence issues.

He should now that you mention it!!!! Ha ha here hee

How did LIE North 2022 do yesterday?

Nah, just an LI dad trolling thinking you guys are funny. I like how the 2024 dad measures success by how little you lose by. Didn't the lose to Outlaws 11-2? yikes.

still don't get your point. Glad you get it and hope it has made you feel better. Whatever it is you are saying, I agree!

This thread is too quiet.

who is coaching primetime 2024 this year

Will Yorktown own the Section once again this year?

I know they graduated a lot of players, who's stepping in to fill the void?

What is the best winter lax training (for middle school aged attackmen) in westchester and Connecticut? Looking for ideas for next winter. Thanks.

Go to Long Island

I think John Jay, Pleasantville, Fox Lane, Rye and Bronxville will be in the hunt.

Yorktown has 2 defensemen that have committed to Maryland & Notre Dame. So does that answer your question about Yorktowns supremacy.

not really - 2 guys does not make a whole team , but congrats to those boys

Yorktown's supremacy is in question this year. While they should never be counted out, it should be noted that they lost 63.8% of total point scorers last year and most of that was from the midfield. Their returning juniors (seniors this year) contributed only 6.7% of last year's total points while their returning sophomores (juniors this year) contributed 29.5%. The sophomores were both at the attack position. They will be a very young team without much, if any, scoring potential from the midfield.

I agree. Yorktown should never be counted out. I think there is more parity in Westchester now and other programs like JJ, Fox Lane, Rye, Pleasantville and Bronxville have very strong returning starters. I think depth of the line up usually tilts towards Yorktown.

I think we'll be fine. Our 2014 state championship was won in a supposedly "down" year after graduating players who were considered superstars that carried the team.

Well said, believe me I am not a Yorktown fan but their dominance in Section 1 has been incredible and it's not ending anytime soon. The one team that has great talent is Fox Lane, but coaching is the biggest factor in sports and winning. Marr is a great coach under a great deal of pressure to win and he continually delivers. Bronxville has been great. John Jay & Rye are very good teams but will not win as consistently as Ytown.

What happens when these great or dominant teams go into the NY State Championships. Section 3 and 8 and 11 generally come home with the hardware. Yes they are good teams, not sure about dominant or great?

Tough to compare NYS titles, since some schools bounce from A to B or B to C. However, just looking at Class B, there have been 30 champions crowned. Section 8 has 11 (Garden City with 5 and South Side, Wantagh, Lynbrook, Bethpage, Manhasset and Elmont with 1 each), Section 1 has 6 (Yorktown), Section 3 has 5 (Jamesville-DeWitt with 4 and Cortland with 1), Section 11 has 5 (Huntington and Comsewogue with 2 each and Rocky Point with 1), Section 5 has 2 (Victor and Canandaigua) and Section 4 has 1 (Corning East).

Agreed, Yorktown doesn't get much support from other Section 1 schools (Mahopac has one A title and Bronxville has one C title), but Yorktown's 7 titles (they won an "A" title when there was only a single bracket) ranks 3rd to only West Genesee (15 A titles) and Ward Melville (8 A titles).

If Yorktown isn't considered dominant or great, then I guess only West Genesee has earned that label.

Yorktown is a consistently strong program always in the hunt for a state title. The coaches are dedicated, the players are dedicated and the town is supportive. Bronxville has modeled itself after Yorktown and even hired a bunch of Yorktown alumni to coach. Section 1 will strengthen and Yorktown's dominance will be challenged which is good for all involved.

Bronxville lost the best player in the team history. They will take Sec 1 C but if they are playing the same schedule as last year, expect a tougher slate.
They seemed to wear down as the season went on playing a very good out of section opponents.
The team will need to figure the post-Grass era Offense, probably more middie focused O dodging from up top. Should repeat as Sec 1 C champs and hopefully be healthy for state run.
A - Fox, Mamo, Pac
B - Town, Rye, JJ
C - Bville, Pvillle, Bcliff

Pleasantville was the section C champs, not Bronxville.

Yorktown is for sure in, I think the mention of Bronxville, Fox Lane, John Jay, Rye etc is where the question of great teams came from.

You are correct, my bad. Great game by Panthers, actually beat them twice, once at Bville during season. Pville has some good young players as well. No slam dunk in C this year for Broncos.

am I crazy to think this is more Sect one talk now. if so who thinks the wizard can do in Wappingers what he did in the Valley. Lets get even crazier how about in B can Hen Hud, Somers and Eastchester make some noise. Seems there are some athletes over there not sure if lacrosse players. Same when someone earlier this month mention Lourdes having good football players who played lax could they muddy the water a bit too.

Section 1 is so diverse it is crazy not sure and dark house can come out of the mix. [lacrosse] how about Pearl River

A good football team doesn't necessarily mean if those kids decided to play lacrosse they would be automatically good. Look at a powerhouse football program like New Rochelle. It's not easy to just give a kid in high school a stick, no matter how good of an athlete he is, and expect him to be able to adapt to the speed and decision making being made at the top of Sec 1. Maybe in the 80's and 90's this was more plausible, but the sport has grown tremendously.

I hear ya (So you want to rule out Lourdes Pearl River and Eastchester) but what about Wappinger's? I find it very intriguing!

Where do the catholics fall in Westchester Lax. Iona Stepinac. Ill go to your if you are a good football school it may not translate into lax for Stepinac. I almost forgot Kennedy, I guess they are hoping your football comment is correct.

Lets not forget about Pleasantville and briarcliff, that could be a great border game. When will section 1 release their schedules

Wappingers has a solid team but the 2017 season is where they will shine and then after that it gets ugly for a few years. WWYL has been run by some dads with no lax experience to speak of. Kuczma is a very good defensive coach so they will usually be in games but offensively his talent is subpar. Arlington has always been the jewel of Dutchess County and until Wappingers beats them!!!!

2016 Sec 1:
Town - very good D and in the net, offense has to emerge from new faces
Bville - lost star power but has depth, needs dodgers to emerge
Fox Lane - on paper talent looks good, game is played on field, time will tell
Pville - returning champs had sophs and frosh playing last year, should compete
JJ - Defense looks good, need more offensive options
Mamo - O talent is there for another run in A, lost Fogo, needs better goalie play
Rye - lots of young talent, might be a year away from scaring Town
Bcliff - took a big step last year, could give a Pville or Bville a game
Pac - returns top 2 offensive players, needs to reload on D
North Rockland & White Plains - offense returns, but have to shore up D to beat good teams
Pelham - some very good players, is there depth to beat top programs?

Mamaroneck lost Malas an All-American who is now at Bucknell. Very hard to replace the best finisher on the team.

Kuczma has been coaching the boys in WWYL for the last few years and he keeps involved in the organization.

and here I thought TP was the talk of lax in Dutchess

Mamo brings back 2 leading scorers from playoffs, both playing at next level. D is solid but must replace FOGO and tighten up in the cage.

Harrison was one goal away from the Class B Sect 1 finals last year. They lost their goalie and a defender but have a ton coming back. They have beaten arch-rival Rye last two years (who would have thought Harrison beating Rye in lacrosse and continuing to get crushed in football). Don't have the broad talent of Town or JJ or Fox Lane but should be in the mix for Class B.

you cant compare TP to section 1 public schools. They are on another level. Similar to Brunswick cmpared to Darien, NC, Grennwich.

Their goalie was a key reason for last season's success. Very solid keeper play.

I am just curious is the Wappingers team a blend of the 2 high schools RCK and JJ?

Yes RCK & JJEF just like Lakeland/Panas, same school district. Good news the best player from last season just came back to Wappingers from TP. Maybe they have a chance of being real good.

Such a crock joining the school. For shame especially Lakeland Panas. Kids loose

Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland.

Oh Boy another hater, get a life and be happy fo r b people.

And thanks to those parents for allowing a freshman (what is that, 15 years old) to make a huge decision long before he is really capable of doing so. Or should I say that it was great of those parents to do the right thing for their son and make that decision for him. This is not Yale so little incentive left to actually learn something in school since the only thing that will stop him from getting to Maryland is 1) failing out; and 2) jail. Yup, he can go to college and maybe graduate and have an education in only one thing, lacrosse.. You have to dream.

Listen I am no lover of PT, I didn't see any d1 players on their 2019 team this fall. That said why bash a family and student whose choice is theirs not yours. I can't believe all of these people who say that a 14 year is not ready.

Think back when you were 14 did you know of any friends classmates driven to Go to a particular school. I know I did. I also know 2019's (true ones that are 14 yo) who have HS experience, have the academic drive, focus and yes a cache of schools they are targeting.

Once again, DAMN, it is their decision not yours. Stop trying to control other people's decisions. They must all make the best of where they go.

Your an [lacrosse]. The lacrosse network is gigantic. Good student athletes who are smart enough to network can achieve way more in life than the average bookworm who goes to to an Ivy League school for academics alone

Not trying to control anyone. Free will baby. But that's the parents will, not the kids.

I'm sure that family is very pleased for good reason. Congratulations to them.

The negative reactions come as a result of the shill for Deleted Buy an ad next time. enthusiasm is one thing, shilling is another. The above post is a shill, plain and simple and this type of post is likely to get a negative reaction no matter who the subject team/director might be.

Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.

None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?

3d is very strong in development of players, IMO.

Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.

question for all the youth town lacrosse people in Westchester- how much does it cost to play in your town and how many games are you playing - is your town holding winter leagues, clinics etc

Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, don�t get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really can�t be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. It�s just a numbers game. But that�s not all. Don�t forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, it�s nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and it�s been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldn�t be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.

Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.

Check the only scorecard that counts. Primetime 2019 has more committed players than Express North 2019!! How could that be if Express North is beating the top teams in the country? Inept program management? Lack of connections in the lacrosse community? Sweetlax has almost the entire starting roster committed and Express North has, I believe, only one kid committed? Pathetic. If Express North is so good, why hasn't the lacrosse coaches been knocking on their door?

It is great many have verbaled. But it is not the end game. Let's wait and see who actually plays at the next level and where. I get it, you say your connections may be superior, and it seems they are, but will that just be a let down for the kids when they go through hs and finally in college. Or will prime time gain traction if north proves to be one and done

Curious who did prime time beat and lose to this fall. Were the commits present at all events?
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The game is only over if you were hellbent on having your kid goto Maryland or Hop. (BTW, Maryland has 6 middies already in THIS class - do you not understand how hard it is going to be to get time, ever?)

Call me in 2 years - when most of the dust settles - and the IVY kids are almost done, etc.

Then, and only then, can you call scoreboard. To say North < PT after one semester of freshman year is a bit much.

it looks like PT 2019 and express north 2019 each have one recruit - am I missing something

I think PT 2019 has 2 which if my math is right is 1 more than Express North 2019, inept management for Express or a difference of 1.

i see 1 pt to Maryland, 1 express north to Michigan where is the other PT commit going

PT2019 goalie going to Air Force

Congrats on the verbal what HS will he be playing for.

Again, you are trying to call the game in the third inning.
How many stud players, that everyone knows if you play vs them in tourneys all the time, do Team 91, Express LI, North etc have? A whole bunch. Do you honestly think these kids dont have multiple offers, are mostly done, or in some cases are in fact done but have not been announced?

Absolutely right why rush to commit when you have several good offers. If you commit in 9th grade that's great but the more prudent thing is to take your time and make the best choice you can. Express North & Primetime are both good organizations and glad to see them having success.

Wilton

. Wow Wilton has a few 2019 players huh.

They have looked good in winter ball.

When do tryouts begin for most Varsity programs? I see many teams have scrimmages in 2 or 3 weeks, I would think the teams need to be chosen well before those games.

I don't think coaches can officially do anything until after March 7th when the season officially starts. That doesn't mean they don't have a good idea from last year and winter practices who will be on varsity. I would imagine some of the deeper teams may use scrimmages to determine who is on varsity. Looking forward to a good season! Its getting closer!

Each year Westchester lacrosse takes another step towards parity like on LI where 6-7 teams have a legitimate chance to win the section. I think this year we will see more teams than ever competing for the title. Its great for the game.

But how long before they are on par across the board with LI. Yes Yorktown is on the crest of the wave right now, but what about the rest. Is the great white northern suburb improving at a higher rate than their southern suburban cousins?

Favorites in each section title:
A; Mamo, Fox and Pac
B; Town and maybe JJ
C; Bville or Pville
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7 or 8 teams competing for 3 section titles; not much parity really but next level is getting more talent; Rye & Pelham in B, Briarcliff in C, and maybe White Plains & North Rockland in A.

John Jay will be a very formidable opponent for Yorktown this year. JJ was young last year and Ytown graduated a lot of very talented players. Should be a great match up.

Agree

But we have heard that tune before. JJ Gotta go out and prove it!

JJ strong on back line and in net. both teams lost offensive firepower so may see a couple of low scoring slugfests.

We've also heard the tune "Yorktown will have a down year" But they have the best youth program in the area and they reload without missing a beat. A few years a go they lost to Nisky with a team full of All Americans, then won the NYS title when everyone said..."Yorktown will be weak". Until someone knocks them off, Marr will keep reloading and I will give them the respect they are due. We keep hearing they will be unable to score, expect to see some youngsters step up and fill the void. I've watched them do it for 15 years. Looking forward to the JJ battle but others are in the hunt as well.

Just curious, how does Yorktown operate their youth program? My son is a 2020 and we never see them. (ie. CONNY, where we see RYE, JJ, Bronxville, top Ct. teams etc.) Are they just 'in-house' or travel elsewhere?

When you look for a website for Yorktown youth lacrosse, you can't really find anything. Does one exist? If you look for a CONNY town program, they are easy to find and you can see all the other towns they have played in past years, etc.

[quote=Anonymous]When you look for a website for Yorktown youth lacrosse, you can't really find anything. Does one exist? If you look for a CONNY town program, they are easy to find and you can see all the other towns they have played in past years, etc.

Yorktown youth lacrosse is run under the Yorktown Athletic Club umbrella. Combination of in house and travel. We are a few towns away and emulated the structure, but you need the dedicated knowledgeable coaches to teach the game correctly.

If you google "Yorktown youth lacrosse" its the first hit that comes up. Why was it so hard for you to find?

Yorktown Youth lacrosse town teams play in the Hudson Valley league with teams from Westchester that do not play in CONNY and they also play town teams from Putnam and Dutchess who are also in the Hudson Valley league.

Yorktown youth travel teams also play against 3-4 CONNY teams each season.

I am hearing but do not know the story that Tom Palasek, MLL lizards attackman had a falling out with Roy Colsey and no longer works at the lax academy. that is unfortunate as Tommy was great with the kids and brought a level of instruction and patience I have yet to see. I do not know Roy, but he seems super abrasive and cocky and its no wonder the Super star teams can not compete with Primetime, Express North etc... does anyone know the story?

Roy is cocky and will talk to you when he has time for you!!!

control freak!!! sad really. how could anyone want their child to be associated with that, I don't care how good he was in the old days

will Yorktown have any freshman pulled up.

It's his way or the highway and unfortunately for him most of the good players on superstars took the highway to other teams.

We'll find out after tryouts, you just never know. If I were forced to guess, I would say 2 Freshman will make Ytown varsity.

2 maybe 3

He will talk to you when he needs something. Love the passion, not the execution.

really just a super abrasive man- no wonder people run for the door

When do Varsity tryouts start in Westchester?

Isnt it a NY State rule about 3/7/16 being the first day for Public schools?

I graduated the same yr as Roy - played against him in high school and in college - was considering multiple schools but decided to go the Ivy route - I realize the recruiting landscape those days are completely different from today but agree 100% on what Roy wrote. Hard work and dedication is important - for me, the only thing I would add is passion - there comes a time that when a kid wants to get better, he has to do this on his own - can't keep having a parent push him - he has to love the game and want to get better...someone told me years ago this generally starts to happen in middle school (which is when recruiting is starting up today)...crazy that I am starting to see this with my older boy who is in 7th today...I have 4 younger boys below him

Yes, for all spring sports. But most schools have had 'optional open gyms'for lax, baseball, & softball since Jan. 1. Pretty sure coaches are mentally keeping notes before the actual try-outs.

The Ytown youth program is stellar. The key is the dedication of the people who run it. A lot of time needs to be invested and in Yorktown every kid has many opportunities to learn the game from experienced lax people. The guy running the show is a gem.

Tryouts start today, but 95% of the roster is already chosen. There may be a few bubble kids that need to fight for a spot on the team. Good luck and safe season to all players.

any changes in Bronxville?

I have 3 boys and 1 girl, my daughter is a Freshman playing D1, my oldest son is being recruited as a HS Freshman and I can tell you the recruiting landscape has changed in just the last 3-4 years and it really needs to be throttled back. My oldest son hasn't played varsity yet but he should be able to decide his future? We are being told to just commit to a school and you can change your mind later. What is that teaching our kids? We told the last two coaches he will not make a decision until after summer season at the earliest. We do not want the pressure of college recruiting to ruin his HS experience.

Lost 2 All Americans including Sec 1 All Time leading scorer, a lock down D1 defensemen, most of their scoring save for 1 Jr Mid (UNC) and also lost another Jr D1 Pole to privates.

Very good FOGO, strong in net and good LSM will keep them in games and have a couple of mids but green on attack and D poles.

time will tell...

Yorktown also lost a ton of talent from the offense to graduation. Bronxville and Ytown meet up later in the season so we'll see where they shake out. I still think this could be John Jay's year to knock off Ytown. Do tryouts end tomorrow?

Tryouts are done chief, the team is picked. I guess we'll see if JJ is prepared to take the title belt from the champs. Huskers will be ready for the challenge.

US Lacrosse adopting age based bracketing of youth leagues. How will we be able to verify the DOB of kids?

Upload a copy of the birth certificate right in your account on the US Lacrosse website. I did it yesterday for my son and got a confirmation email within a few hours. The email said the documentation has been approved and does not expire. It also said the documentation I submitted will be securely deleted.

I just renewed by sons subscription and was not asked to upload a birth certificate. Will this be required for Spring 2017?

Good luck to the Yorktown Husker team heading down to Maryland to play St. Mary's!!

always good to see Westchester team do well out of County. Good luck Y town!

Scrimmage results were interesting over the weekend. Could see some competitive games with more parity this season.

First game of the season in HV. Arlington -12 Put.Valley -2. Tough times for PV without Kuczma.

Starts with youth program... How long has Brian been out of Pv hs and youth. Give it time they will be back.

Is anyone streaming the Yorktown vs MD game?

Just my opinion here but have been playing with Roy and the SS program for a couple of years. He's been great and my kids have enjoyed playing there.

Yorktown 2-0 versus out of state competition. Good showing boys.

Congrats to Primetime & Eclipse for making it to Denver in the WSYL. They both had good days at the Regionals.

Darien 12 Yorktown 3. WOW!!!

They must be taking more than 4 teams from the North if Primetime is going to the WSYL. They were third in their bracket and Eclipse was second in the other bracket.

More teams more money.

Town has a great D but thin in middle and inexperienced at Attack. They will be fine in Sec 1 but could not run with the athletes from the Blue Wave.

primetime doesn't belong. they got beat up pretty good.

They only had a few indoor practices, and at least they showed up with only their 2021 team as opposed to a couple of LI teams bringing 2020 age eligible players. An early spring qualifer really only benefits the so called 360 teams. I'm not saying they 'belong' with '91, Legacy or Black Ice, but congratulations to the PT 7th graders who get to go to Denver.

Yorktown over a much weaker Bronxville team from 2015. Yorktown still having some offensive issues (finishing) but the off-ball movement was improved from other game I saw. Bronxville needs better flow to the O, Quick middies can cause slides, but the other kids need to get open before slide reaches dodging middie. Yorktown, the motion offense looked good and the defense was lights out.

AFter Darien, Bronxville's D must have been a sight for sore eyes. They pack it in a zone and rely on goalie, forcing off ball movement and good passing.
Mids can alley dodge but good sliding teams and double poling the mids will cause them problems. Attack cannot break down better Dmen, more of a cutter O.

PT had a much harder bracket than Eclipse. Eclipse was lucky to get 2nd place should of lost to a small Icon team.

Yorktown vs John Jay Thursday is a big game. Two very young teams that are trying to find some flow on offense. Yorktown needs to minimize the turnovers and John Jay needs to control between the restraining boxes. Whoever scores the most unsettled goals will win.

How is the 2020 Predator team?

Solid.

Predators, PrimeTime, and 3d Tri-State 2020's are all evenly matched based on fall tourney play. Not much more than 2 goals separate any of them. All have strengths and weaknesses.

Express North and Eclipse are unknowns having either not played or played in weaker tourneys/brackets.

Thanks

john jay imploded last night 3rd quarter up 5-1 - threw away their game plan , got cocky and Yorktown put 5 goals in the net 3rd quarter- have to blame the coaches for that one -

Neither team is going anywhere this year. Yorktown has no real offense, I'm really not sure what they run? JJ doesn't have a deep enough team.

true that both teams have room for improvement.

having said that - odds are one will win the section and then be difficult to beat thereafter.

Yorktown gave up a 3 goal lead over Ridgefield with 3 minutes to play. Three turnovers on odd calls doomed them. They need to clean up their play, finish around the goal and get something going on offense overall to go anywhere this season. Defense looked good but they seemed to be out of position at times and overall aggressive. Some slides were unnecessary. Goalie played great again. Young team, time to pick up overall play to contend.

Ridgefield has some crafty players with quick feet that can finish.

Chaminade made Yorktown look like Putnam Valley. Sloppy, bad decisions, trouble clearing. Some kids look lost on offense.

Maybe try something new on offense, what they run (?) doesn't seem to be working with this group.

Chaminade has 2-3 standouts, maybe. Shocking for a school that recruits kids form all over LI. Outstanding goalie.

Thanks Goalie Dad!

Westchester lax is a mess. Can you really say who is good in A they play all B and C schools. Is this a power conference set up.

Class A has never been the cream of the crop for section 1 (or Westchester) lacrosse. A, B and C are dictated soley by size of school. Some strong teams in Class A (Fox Lane, Lakeland Panas, Mamaroneck) and some very weak teams (New Rochelle, Clarkstown). Class B has always been the strongest (Yorktown, John Jay, Somers, Rye) and Class C has been very good recently (Bronxville and Pleasantville). Lots of parity in Westchester this year. Good to see some upsets and the better teams playing each other (regardless of size) and competing out of section. Should be fun Section 1 playoffs for all classes.

play most of your games in your division (A,B,C). If you want to go out of the division you should play the better teams like Yorktown, JJ, Pleasantville, Somers, Fox Lane, L/P. It would be a shame if you make the playoffs after beating up on the weak sisters of each division. IE: Mahopac plays a very hard schedule and they have a losing record. A team from Dutchess County plays a much easier schedule and they are undefeated. Those teams play Thursday and if Pac wins what does that tell us. I don't know, it is a little strange that division foes have such different schedules.
"Just a thought"

Scheduling out of conference is determined by the coach, so weak or strong is a choice.

Some big games this week including Yorktown vs Fox Lane tomorrow and the Charlie Murphy Cup Lakeland vs Yorktown on Saturday.

Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played?

both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school)

Lakeland was exposed over the weekend. Yorktown may not have a dynamic offense but Lakeland is stunted. They have a dominant long stick FOGO (actually drops down to play D) that allows them to control the time of possession, eventually you will score. It was a very entertaining game charged with emotion. Yorktown goalie was rock solid again, using every part of his body to make saves. Defense was suffocating at times. My little guys have really grown to love watching them play.

I've never heard the two school combined motto.

whats the mascot Hornets or Panthers

Rebels

I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team.

Yorktown may not be as good as some of their teams in the past but it unclear who in NY B is materially better this year. They are capable of making a long run into NYS playoffs.

wonder if there is a mandate to take kids from a certain amount of kids from one school over another. if talent states it should be 80/20 is it really 60/40. How many on each team v/jv?

I have to agree. And playing a tough out of sectional schedule will only help them in the play-offs.

The main reason it is bull[lacrosse] that LI sections have to play each other to move on in the state playoff picture. A stronger team many times is at home while they should be given the opportunity to play deep into the states.

I guess if you aint first your last!

There is no combined team. There is Yorktown HS and Lakeland HS.

Of course there is a combined team. Lakeland Panas. It's a combination of Lakeland HS and Walter Panas HS. I have never heard a rational explanation as to why each HS can't have their own team.

Who cares?

It is done at the option of each school. They elected to have a merged team years ago and have stuck with it. Having another good to very good team to compete against each year is not a bad thing for the other teams in Westchester.

Very nice evening of Westchester lacrosse. Yorktown, Pleasantville and Lakeland with good wins. Good luck this Saturday.

Not a bad thing for the other teams in Westchester, I would agree. Just a bad thing for the 40+ (including jv) boys who don't get to play HS lacrosse.

Good luck to Yorktown and Pleasantville in today's NYS semi finals. Its been a great season for both teams, keep it going.

Great season for both Lakeland Panas and Pleasantville. At least our section didn't get swept by LI, great job Yorktown. Young team coming of age. Could be a 2-3 year dynasty in the making.

Some would argue Yorktown is working on a 2-3 DECADE dynasty.

Yorktown has won two state titles in the last 20+ years. Not a dynasty.

What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?

You can go further 2 wins by 2018, 2019 & 2020 combined. How the mighty have fallen.

And Express North 2019AA went 1-4. Not a great start to the summer for Westchester "elite" lacrosse teams. Heard Predators 2020 won a lower level fl$ tournament this weekend.

I'm sorry, did any other Westchester teams do any better at Adrenaline ? Or maybe it's just the state of the actual talent coming out of Westchester these days

They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world

First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.

One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever.

Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax.

Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that!

as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall?

Obviously. My point was made.

Did PT 2019 get any better than then in the fall?

Express north went 3 an1 beat HHH , LC national and 3D .lost to crabs. PT lost to 3 d ,HHH ,

Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?

Went 4-2. They Beat Edge, BBL, Mesa & LB3 National....lost to Crabs & Crush

First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.

One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever. [/quote]

Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax. [/quote]

Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that!

as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall? [/quote]

Obviously. My point was made. [/quote]

Did PT 2019 get any better than then in the fall? [/quote]

Primetime 2019 looked very mediocre last weekend in PA. They beat one team that I saw. PT lost to 3D tristate and Express North destroyed 3D Tristate. That about sums up the weekend.

Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH.

The 2-2 comment was for 2020

Anyone else notice that the Express North teams at LI Laxfest all played in B brackets? All the talk during tryouts about Schreiber pulling together these great teams and they play in B, not the type of competition I would want.

Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020

Primetime is in decline. Last really good team was 2018 but they haven't kept up either. It was inevitable.

A reflection of a general decline in Westchester lacrosse, a dilution of talent among more Summer teams and a belief that athletic middies can still go one on two and get the job done.

Not a lot of promise in the younger years. 2024 team got throttled two weekends in a row on Long Island

the growth of other teams is definitely hurting Prime time at the younger ages- express north 24 plays PT 2024 Saturday morning

that's ok, from what I have heard, Daniello is running the youth program now, he will figure out a way to make his money off of them- the president of the youth program is as spineless as a jelly fish, he will let it happen, his kids prob play for primetime for free

Which youth program?

john jay

hahaha calling someone 'spineless' while doing so anonymously hahahaha...Although I'm guessing you've run so many youth programs in your lifetime, that in your feeble mind you get a free pass to criticize

truth hurts - overcharged from top to bottom, losing organization run by people that give nothing back to the town or players and are happy to feed the for- profit organization, yeh sounds like a great organization run by a guy that never played lacrosse at any level. if that's your idea of running a youth program , keep it up, no wonder you guys cant beat Yorktown EVER

ha ha - from what I hear - definitely lax mafia in that town

I heard you guys pay the ex president $4k to schedule games ? maybe you should use that money for winter training and let parents do the scheduling

No varsity program thrives without a youth program that is run by people who are totally committed to the kids development. It's the reason why Pleasantville, Bronxville, etc have grown as legitimate varsity programs and why Yorktown is a consistent powerhouse. The director and coaches invest a lot of time and energy teaching the kids the game and instilling a desire to win. Its a culture, not just recreation.

We all know plenty of former players who are terrible coaches and administrators. Some are lazy, bad communicators or just don't put the effort in that is required. Lack of experience on the field shouldn't preclude someone from being an effective coach or commissioner.

'overcharged', sounds like a bitter parent who's son didn't make the A team. But yes you are right they should give something back like the local baseball and football programs do...participation trophies?

Sounds like sour grapes

overcharged- well its 195 dollars for k-1 , its 450 for 6th grade and goes up from there- you be the judge , coaches of the 6th and 7th grade are top notch individuals -

Hoping one day the Westchester clubs actually play one another.

Realize much of the attention goes to 2017-2020, but for those of us with younger kids, the jungle of clubs proclaiming how "elite" they are is comical.

PT, Preds, Express North, 3D Tri-State, Eclipse, Dynasty, Superstar, Ballers, 2Way, 91 North should compete locally rather than paying high fees and journeying to LI or PA for the experience. Seems club directors fear parents will question their programs if they lose to local rival. So all avoid one another to play it safe.

I think Yorktown is $175 max. Does John Jay pay the coaches?

who really needs to go anywhere to play at the younger ages - practice 2 days a week and play local round robins

Agreed. Clubs like playing teams from other regions because these teams are not in competition with each other for kids. Almost no one from Pleasantville is going to say "my kid will play for LI Outlaws next year because they looked real good when we played them." But they might move from PT to Express North. Another factor not mentioned is that some of these clubs are really just regional chapters of larger clubs that run their own tournaments on LI and elsewhere. So these clubs are required (I assume) to attend these tournaments, where a "true" fee is not paid, only an accounting one is.

But we need to make sure to compensate the club owners, tournament companies, hotels and restaurants for all the lost revenue. I believe our kids would develop into fine lacrosse players by playing a few local teams during the summer. Many of these kids by the time the are sophomores in high school have been doing this for 5 or 6 summers on top of fall ball and high school season. Way too many games and travel.

This weekend there is the Crab Fest tournament in Baltimore. On Saturday, each team will play in 3 games, consisting of 4 -10 minute running time quarters. On Sunday, each team will most likely play in 2 games of equal length. So at most, each team will play 200 minutes of running time lacrosse. On your drive Friday afternoon from Westchester to Baltimore, 200 minutes may not get you out of New Jersey. It makes no logical sense, other than to enrich the clubs and tournament owners, to do this. Local league - 10 teams, no travel, no Holiday Inns, and weekends free to do other things. Didn't even factor in that many teams have 25 players on them so the 200 minutes of lacrosse goes down substantially.

at this point in Westchester at he younger ages its a notch above town with so many teams- might as well just extend town another 2 months and play 3/4 jamborees

Younger teams extend town programs. High School kids should have a high school league. May need to combine some teams but that shouldn't be a problem.

2 tourneys (one travel, one local) - $3,500 entrance fees
8 games vs local teams - Ref fees - $400 (we pay one ref, opponent pays the other)
1 paid coach - $10,000 ?? (2 dad coaches are assistants for free)
Uniforms - $600 ??
Rent practice space - ??? (not a lot of money if rent from a school or town park

Divide by 18 kids (20+ too many) = $805 plus 1/18th whatever it costs to rent practice space per kid.

how did the Westchester teams do this weekend ?

tristate 91 2024, 2021 and varsity won their bracket in war games

Prime Time 2019 was at the Crab Feast - went 3-0 in pool play and then beat 2019 Express North 6-4 to make it to the semi-final against Crabs. Lost that game

my son has never played travel before , im just curious what people think are the best teams we should tryout for in the 2024 age bracket

i have no idea of ability of your son, but- first off- very rarely do local teams ever play each other which is unfortunate , but I see it this way IN TERMS OF SKILL
EXPRESS NORTH- KATONAH
PRIMETIME- SOUTH SALEM
2 WAY- BRUNSWICK SCHOOL
ECLIPSE- NEW CANNAAN CT
sUPERSTARS- RIDGEFIELD
TRISTATE - PURCHASE

SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH ALL PROGRAMS LISTED ABOVE, AND ALL OFFER DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PLAY , IN DIFFERENT LEVEL TOURNEYS

Yes saw that PT 2019 win and was very confused by it. The 3-0 at Crab fest is not impressive but the win over E north is. Crabs Madlax and Laxachuessets top three

tristate 2024 won their tourney this weekend

Not sure why the confusion. Both teams are very talented and play good lacrosse. Both teams were also missing a top offensive player so no excuses there. It seems you are familiar with the North team but maybe get familiar with PT and you will realize. Your opinion is your opinion so can't change that but objectively there's not much of a difference between both teams except the head to head match ups They tied each other in 2015 and PT won this. Maybe next year it's different result but that won't change the fact both teams are talented in good programs.

PT 2019 is a very good team and on Sunday they outplayed Express North. However, I think these 2 teams will be very similar to the 2018's and on any given day either team can win.

Has 2018 prime time ever beaten express north ??? I don't think so

I think PT being in more tourneys with tough teams will help them. They are now having the opportunity to do that. North has been there already there with Express' inclusion in NLF. Beating a rival is nice - but the measuring stick of progress for both programs should be beating Madlax, 91, Laxachusetts, Crabs, HHH.

PT 2019 lost to 3d prior weekend and Express North crushed 3d at same tournament. Express North may be the better team but looks like PT has their number. Seems like PT plays weaker schedule at big tournaments.

I think the last name on your list should be Team 91. I believe Tri-State is a NJ team.

Also you forgot Predators (Purchase) and TopSide (Purchase)