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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) I've never heard the two school combined motto.
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) I've never heard the two school combined motto. whats the mascot Hornets or Panthers
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) I've never heard the two school combined motto. Rebels
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) I've never heard the two school combined motto. Rebels I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team.
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Yorktown may not be as good as some of their teams in the past but it unclear who in NY B is materially better this year. They are capable of making a long run into NYS playoffs.
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) I've never heard the two school combined motto. Rebels I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team. wonder if there is a mandate to take kids from a certain amount of kids from one school over another. if talent states it should be 80/20 is it really 60/40. How many on each team v/jv?
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Yorktown may not be as good as some of their teams in the past but it unclear who in NY B is materially better this year. They are capable of making a long run into NYS playoffs. I have to agree. And playing a tough out of sectional schedule will only help them in the play-offs.
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Yorktown may not be as good as some of their teams in the past but it unclear who in NY B is materially better this year. They are capable of making a long run into NYS playoffs. I have to agree. And playing a tough out of sectional schedule will only help them in the play-offs. The main reason it is bull[lacrosse] that LI sections have to play each other to move on in the state playoff picture. A stronger team many times is at home while they should be given the opportunity to play deep into the states. I guess if you aint first your last!
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) There is no combined team. There is Yorktown HS and Lakeland HS.
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) There is no combined team. There is Yorktown HS and Lakeland HS. Of course there is a combined team. Lakeland Panas. It's a combination of Lakeland HS and Walter Panas HS. I have never heard a rational explanation as to why each HS can't have their own team.
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) There is no combined team. There is Yorktown HS and Lakeland HS. Of course there is a combined team. Lakeland Panas. It's a combination of Lakeland HS and Walter Panas HS. I have never heard a rational explanation as to why each HS can't have their own team. Who cares?
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) I've never heard the two school combined motto. Rebels I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team. It is done at the option of each school. They elected to have a merged team years ago and have stuck with it. Having another good to very good team to compete against each year is not a bad thing for the other teams in Westchester.
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Very nice evening of Westchester lacrosse. Yorktown, Pleasantville and Lakeland with good wins. Good luck this Saturday.
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Yorktown goalie could be the best in the area. Makes tough saves, very strong on low shots. I assume he also plays hockey. Lakeland v Yorktown should be a good game but I think Lakeland is over rated. Who have they played? both Lakeland(Panas) and Yorktown are overrated. Love the two school combined motto, not! All three schools should be B schools playing each other. Imagine if two LI High schools combined as one team. Smithtown East + West or Sachem East + North. (oh wait there is Middle country Newfield and Centerreach no excuse at close to 1200 kids in each school) I've never heard the two school combined motto. Rebels I have never heard a rational explanation as to why they have a combined team. Its always been a thriving, winning program, and the youth program appears to be excellent and well attended. In hockey you have issues concerning access to ice time and costs that may cause a district to have a combined team even though interest may be there to have a team at each school (Clarkstown hockey is an example of this). But it doesn't make sense in lacrosse. All other combined teams in all sports seem to only exist when participation and competitiveness is poor. Why not have a Lakeland team and a Panas team. It is done at the option of each school. They elected to have a merged team years ago and have stuck with it. Having another good to very good team to compete against each year is not a bad thing for the other teams in Westchester. Not a bad thing for the other teams in Westchester, I would agree. Just a bad thing for the 40+ (including jv) boys who don't get to play HS lacrosse.
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Good luck to Yorktown and Pleasantville in today's NYS semi finals. Its been a great season for both teams, keep it going.
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Great season for both Lakeland Panas and Pleasantville. At least our section didn't get swept by LI, great job Yorktown. Young team coming of age. Could be a 2-3 year dynasty in the making.
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Great season for both Lakeland Panas and Pleasantville. At least our section didn't get swept by LI, great job Yorktown. Young team coming of age. Could be a 2-3 year dynasty in the making. Some would argue Yorktown is working on a 2-3 DECADE dynasty.
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Great season for both Lakeland Panas and Pleasantville. At least our section didn't get swept by LI, great job Yorktown. Young team coming of age. Could be a 2-3 year dynasty in the making. Some would argue Yorktown is working on a 2-3 DECADE dynasty. Yorktown has won two state titles in the last 20+ years. Not a dynasty.
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What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive?
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You can go further 2 wins by 2018, 2019 & 2020 combined. How the mighty have fallen.
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And Express North 2019AA went 1-4. Not a great start to the summer for Westchester "elite" lacrosse teams. Heard Predators 2020 won a lower level fl$ tournament this weekend.
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You can go further 2 wins by 2018, 2019 & 2020 combined. How the mighty have fallen. I'm sorry, did any other Westchester teams do any better at Adrenaline ? Or maybe it's just the state of the actual talent coming out of Westchester these days
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What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive? They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world
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What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive? They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out. One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever.
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What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive? They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out. One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever. Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax.
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What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive? They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out. One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever. Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax. Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that! as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall?
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What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive? They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out. One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever. Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax. Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that! as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall? Obviously. My point was made.
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What happened to PT2020? 60 goals against and not competitive? They didn't belong in the Adrenaline Cup, but despite embarrasing results the kids got to see what the top teams in the country look and play like. Although I'm guessing in your mind if your son was on the team it would have made all the difference in the world First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out. One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever. Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax. Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that! as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall? Obviously. My point was made. Did PT 2019 get any better than then in the fall?
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Express north went 3 an1 beat HHH , LC national and 3D .lost to crabs. PT lost to 3 d ,HHH ,
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Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do?
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Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do? Went 4-2. They Beat Edge, BBL, Mesa & LB3 National....lost to Crabs & Crush
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First tourney of the summer - relax. Surely many teams missing key kids as state playoffs still going on in the area. Primetime and Express North 2018s are both very good and have for a while. Both 2019 squads were competitive (PT way more so than last year) - North made the last two finals last summer. Let's just let the rest of the season play out.
One thing is for sure watching 18s and 19s - the best teams are still the best, but the group of top teams is more tightly bunched than ever. [/quote]
Does LI Express North have any players from Yorktown? I am assuming they do and they were in the NYS finals on Saturday. These kids probably haven't practiced together since last Fall. Relax. [/quote]
Yes more than a few Yorktown kids, but you knew that!
as far as PT, someone's comment was they were better than LY. Did they get any better from the fall? [/quote]
Obviously. My point was made. [/quote]
Did PT 2019 get any better than then in the fall? [/quote]
Primetime 2019 looked very mediocre last weekend in PA. They beat one team that I saw. PT lost to 3D tristate and Express North destroyed 3D Tristate. That about sums up the weekend.
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Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do? Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH.
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Anyone else notice that the Express North teams at LI Laxfest all played in B brackets? All the talk during tryouts about Schreiber pulling together these great teams and they play in B, not the type of competition I would want.
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Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do? Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH. Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020
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Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do? Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH. Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020 Primetime is in decline. Last really good team was 2018 but they haven't kept up either. It was inevitable.
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Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do? Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH. Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020 Primetime is in decline. Last really good team was 2018 but they haven't kept up either. It was inevitable. A reflection of a general decline in Westchester lacrosse, a dilution of talent among more Summer teams and a belief that athletic middies can still go one on two and get the job done.
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Express North went 2-2 this past weekend, how did PT 2020 do? Express North 2019 went 3-1, tourney machine has been updated correctly. Won in sudden death overtime over HHH. Yes they did, but we were talking about Express North 2020 and PT 2020 Primetime is in decline. Last really good team was 2018 but they haven't kept up either. It was inevitable. Not a lot of promise in the younger years. 2024 team got throttled two weekends in a row on Long Island
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the growth of other teams is definitely hurting Prime time at the younger ages- express north 24 plays PT 2024 Saturday morning
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