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So which WSYL team is looking better after tryouts? Express North, Primetime, Eclipse, 2Way or Predators (not sure if the Predators are trying to qualify)? Are there any other teams from the Westchester or Fairfield area attempting to go to the WSYL?

I think Brameier is running the Express North 2023 team for the WSYL. How do they look since they are a brand new team?

The Coach for Bluejay 2024 is the Wizard.

More like a yelling screaming lunatic and a horrible director

We've got a friend who's kid tried out for Rhino U-13.

understood, But which is the higher level? For example, is 2022 assumed to be AA?

[quote=Anonymous]So which WSYL team is looking better after tryouts? Express North, Primetime, Eclipse, 2Way or Predators (not sure if the Predators are trying to qualify)? Are there any other teams from the Westchester or Fairfield area attempting to go to the WSYL?

Not sure anyone can know if team is better after tryouts yet. Suspect every team thinks they picked up more talent. Practices just started. Until you see players or new lineups in real games, its all speculation.

Think all those teams gunning for WSYL. Good for them. New for Preds and 2Way but in the past they claimed they would attend. If smart, they'd lobby to have a region separate from LI because only PT is likely going to qualify when you add 91, Express, Igloo, etc. to the pool. Maybe WSYL increases acceptance numbers for this area. Lucky Laxachusetts doesnt participate (only because their 7th grade teams are always too old for WSYL). Still good for kids to play vs other top teams. it's a good experience to attend qualifiers IMO.

Unsure how all 2023 club teams handle players on roster too old for WSYL. PT must do it right. It caused problems from experience when club did not think it out early enough and share info. Good teams already know their U13 roster right now and have that team train and play games together separate from 2023 team. Smart teams make a special WSYL U13 squad made up mostly of their 2023 team and fill in with some of the best holdback 2024 players. But holdbacks were playing and practicing on my kids team right up until qualifiers-- bad for planning and chemistry. Club stupidly thought it would just have holdbacks do everything but not play in qualifiers and that would not disrupt the U13 team. Team at WSYL qualifier needed fall-winter-spring season together. Holdbacks not allowed in WSYL roster were some of best players and took away from team prep when it counted. Club didn't want to exclude the holdbacks from much for fear of losing top players and $ even though parents and kids knew they were too old for WSYL.

Clubs doing WSYL for the first time always a step behind in planning. Don't focus on team chemistry and roles. Takes a lesson for them to get it right or realize comp is too tough. Couple squads each year lose each game 12-1. Tough lesson.

Anyone who is surprised by this shell game is simply not listening.

If ANY club has more than one team at a grade level you can be darn sure they will work hard to make the 'A' squad as good as they can be and you can also be darn sure they will basically neglect the 'B' squad as they are there only to pay the bills.

This has been demonstrated time and time again.

Maybe WSYL should reconsider their age limit because what the NLF is doing will cut into the number of east coast programs heading to Denver. It was a great move by the NLF and more with FO it.

Primetime's top two studs went down to LI Express. That pretty much makes the most the odds-on favorite to win the WSYL.

It was only one middie that went to LI Express on the Island and yes he was a stud. Lets see how it all pans out.

Yes, a talented athlete

And a h/b so how good is he really

Yes, a talented athlete

And got his girlfriend pregnant. And started smoking. Just saying.

LOL

Every holdback has an advantage, you have to either get over it and move on or do the same with your son. I would chop my hand off before forcing my son to repeat a school year to give him an advantage on the lacrosse field. Deplorable IMO but many willing to do it.

I have to say, your spot on view made me remember a TV interview on parents intentionally "red shirting" their kids to be better at sports. My now 11 year old kid was a baby at the time of viewing the program. I thought it was insane that any parent would intentionally do it just for sports.........but the reality is some parents really need to live through their kids

I may be naive but I don't think many people reclass their 2023 kids for lacrosse purposes. I think it typically happens in kindergarten and is for maturity reasons. My understanding is the reclassifying happens in 8th / 9th grade years.

I am surprised someone from PT would shift to LI Express. PT looks like a pretty legit program to me.

Does anyone think about the kid is 18/adult for two years in High School? One bad relationship with a 17 or 16-year-old whose parents have an ax to grind the boy is done.

PT is good but kids still go to Express or 91 on the Island. The only other time I saw it happen the other way was a Kid playing fogo from Chaminade on Express North 2018. Kid was really good at end of last summer. Helped win NLF.

Anyone know what Express north is doing for 2033 U-13 Tran? Says Brameier isncoach but he coaches Westport team already?

Schreiber, love his enthusiasm. Hate his management skills. Overestimated his brand. Basically had to move B and C level kids that he promised a spot to his A teams when the numbers were week. Those A teams were not going to kill it but now he killed them.

Express North is a joke. NLF dosnt mean anything if the teams dont even play in the events.

Not sure what that means? Express North 2018 won the NLF championship in August.

Real tough guy making fun of a 13 year old. I know this boy personally and he is a very hard worker who never puts the stick down. He is a stud lax player that will go far in his life, because of his work ethic.

Ok mom

Work ethic does get you a long way. Talent by itself can be very over rated.

Good scrimmage yesterday in Fairfield at Express North 2023. Hopefully both teams will be competitive next summer as both have strong coaches in Pearsall and Brameier.

You don’t even have to actually repeat the grade. Just say you’ll pg him later or do a gap year. Club owners will let him play down.

You can even take it one step further. Just have your kid tryout for a team at a grade below what he actually is. In all my years of having multiple kids playing at multiple organizations (and trying out at even more of them), I have never once been asked to verify their grade level or age. With other sports, that do it on age, you have to submit a birth certificate.

To be honest I think the average holdback is hurt in the long run. Once in HS size and physicality evens out much more than in middle school and below. If you are not working hard as u can u are going backwards in the elite divisions of summer lax.

Is it normal for Express North to have 1 coach per team?

An effective coaching staff is 2+. Any less and one group (offense or defense) is getting short changed.

I once saw a single coach run practice for two teams. Money grab of the highest level.

Hard to judge by fall lacrosse how many coaches there actually are. Just as many of the players have other fall sports or commitments coaches many also.

Express north,4 practices only one coach. Not what they sold us.

Coaching levels should not change with the season. We are paying for coaching at the youth level. Games are fun but are secondary. Preds have three coaches on most of their younger teams this fall.

Maybe they should hire coaches that don't have other commitments. That's what my company does.

Pediatric studies show holdbacks are hurt in the long run-- but that is emotionally and mentally. Science proves those kids get dumbed down and underperform. Basically data shows most kids will adjust to their environment. For kids who skip a grade or are younger, they learn to accelerate and fit in. For holdbacks, they learn to do less well to fit in. BUT that is for academics, social adjustments, etc. For sports, they have physical advantages and kick [lacrosse] on younger kids through high school.

in other words, if you're willing to sacrifice your kid's well being in hopes of him playing lacrosse in college, that path is there.

I don't understand all the hate for Express North and Schrieber. Have you all been personally wronged by him? Is he really a bad person?
All I've heard from the 2018 and 2019 parents is praise, he can't be all bad.

While I generally agree with this, and would not hold my kid back even though he is, in the highly specialized world of lacrosse, a prime candidate, there are those who would cling to the writings of people such as Malcom Gladwell who observed that there is a disproportionate number of professional hockey players with January birthdays. The logic/reason offered is that those players were always at an advantage (ever so slight) by being the oldest in their division. Recall that hockey has a more structured age-based system with the cut off date of Jan 1.

Unless US Lacrosse wrestles back some influence from the clubs, lacrosse will continue to be a sport of holdbacks because that is what works for getting recruited to college College coaches would much rather have an older, more physically mature recruit. Remember, those coaches need to have winning programs or they get fired. And with no financially rewarding professional league, college is the apex of the sport.

Sadly the rise of the NLF, and eventual fall of WSYL (yes, I know NLF clubs participate but they are clearly on a path to create their own 'championship'), USLacrosse.org becomes less and less relevant.

USLacrosse has one card to play and that is the insurance policy which covers all these clubs and players. When Bollinger Insurance decides that having a 24 month age spread on the same field is not a good idea things will change. Until then,

"if you are not playing down, you are playing up"