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Interesting that they are starting 2027 and 2028 teams. Obviously after this years 2024 debacle they have realized they need to get kids in the program earlier.

And why does it make a point on the 2022's to say that there are spots and it's an open tryout? Is this because the team has been so bad and Ryan is afraid of getting exposed as a sub par coach? From what I hear there are several more defections from the team this year.

They are trimming the 2021s as many of those kids hardly see the field... trying to pick up other kids from disbanding 2021 teams. 2022s are open because they need kids badly for this team. The crabs market 5 or 6 high caliber kids per graduation and the rest are there to serve and support the business. It is/was a successful model. Just tired and fading.

They have had hardshells before. They put them in he top NPYLL league along with the A team Crabs. Hardshells usually came in last. Hardshells usually come along when a kid of someone in the organization can't make the A teams.

I love this line of thinking ever team has 6 top players. Its up to your son to play well enough to be top D1 its not the clubs fault your son is not stepping up or good enough to play and top D1 player. Everyone like to think they are pushing that kid above my kid. No your so is not stepping up for himself. Top D1 talent does not need marketing the kids play is his marketing. If your son is playing in these top events and not being talked to and looked at by the top D1 schools its yours sons fault not any club. I am not a Crab parent.

I disagree with you. Although you are correct as a general rule with most teams, many of the players on the Crabs 2021 team aren't even given an opportunity to show themselves. Its well known if you aren't part of the 6-8 players on that 2021 team you basically have a great view of the game.

Jumbo Lumps kid would be that kid

No. Usually its because there's a Crabs coach with a kid who can't make that particular grade's team, so they start a 2nd one.

Will USL teaming up with NXT ,Adrenaline and 3d Lacrosse to rein in grade base older players have any effect on the Crabs in future??

Age base is starting slow with only U9 this year.. ..4th grade teams and up this year can still can have older players playing down.

Looks like each year USL and NXT, etc expand it by one year to hopefully have age for every year by the end of 6 years. What a joke.

With this kind of thinking..Grade base is here to stay.. Grade base proponents will have plenty of time to do something different. Why they didnt do it over a year or two is stupid. Grade base came on within a year after being implemented.

I agree all changes to the rules can be done easily within a 12 month window. Make a rule say on Aug 1st this is the new rule. Not hard at all. Teams rosters from AA to C level change at the least 25% every Aug. No reason to push a rule out so slow. Now do we think the clubs like 3D who have tournaments with a 100 teams will play teams like the Crabs or Madlax with reclassed kids with a whole team of on age 12 month window kids? If these clubs want to go age based only they can but they will still want to play in the Crabs, Madlax, Hawks tournaments. These clubs with high numbers of Private school kids on them will always be older and they will want to play grade based. I think Lacrosse is still run by the Private school kids/parents. We might get 4th to 7th grade to conform to a 12 month window but I say a 0% chance 8th to 11th grade teams will ever not be grade based.

Dicks ToC down in Florida is age based this year. I wonder what kind of teams will participate this year.

It's always been age based. Think you meant it's grade based this year.

Dicks has gone over to the grade based side in a HUGE way... They allow 2022 to be born on Jan 1, 2003 ...Of course the morons at Dicks say it is a 14U division too. Not even close to 14U

That is four months short of being a U16 if there was such a thing.. Ridiculous!! Letting kids born EIGHT months older than the majority of 2022's play down... What simpleton came up with that?

Why didnt they just call it the team with the most holdback's winners tournament. Someone said something about lacrosse not being a joke..Well when you let a select group of players only play down that are 8 months older than majority of players in country, that is a joke !

At least in Maryland it is run by the elitist private school parents/coaches driven only by the dollar and the dads egos - never about the kids in Baltimore. Better luck to the other areas of the country that have not yet killed the game.

Club owners make the majority of their money off tournaments. They are not going to change to age based until teams stop attending their tournaments. Crabs, FCA, Looneys and the MIAA schools they feed into thrive off the reclass scheme. Why would they change? Take one look at the Baltimore Under Armour Command roster and it is painfully obvious who is on age and who is not.

Wasnt that the craziest thing ever.. Baltimore was basically a bunch of raising 11th graders instead of 10th. All of them should have been on the Highlight Division team..Well most would have not made it. Most people around country all know the drill with Baltimore teams. Loaded with older players. Many others are trying to catch up now each seems.

MIAA has ruined youth lacrosse in MD. They didnt do it themselves. It was the Clubs associated with MIAA teams like Crabs , FCA, etc..

No one cared when youth was age and MIAA middle schools teams and High Schools teams played each others holdbacks. Probably fair to each MIAA team as they all had prefirst and holdbacks..... But once the older holdbacks/prefirsts filtered to youth programs and clubs and started to play down.....It has ruined the integrity and fairness of Youth lacrosse in MD.

Shut up.

I looked. How is it obvious? How many born before 9/1/01?

You shut up

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.

Relax Ryan..Just go out and convince a couple of MIAA prefirst kids to stay back another grade and become double holdbacks..I bet that will get that warm and fuzzy feeling back!

Ty Xanders...LOL...HAHAHA! Please say you are joking? Please say you are smarter than your post?

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.

So when does the pool start on how long it will take the 2022 team to give RM a heart attack?

Truth hurts. Part of the issue in Baltimore area is that "adults" who could be setting fair play standards and modeling as ambassadors of the sport are holding back their own kids. Parents who swore their kids would never holdback and/or attend private school or play for organizations like Crabs forgot their own integrity in the hopes of a minimal scholarship or more likely they just wanted the water cooler bragging rights. when you have high school, club coaches and public figures and league organizers involved at a high level with the sport reclassing their sons because they could not compete at their appropriate age level and they encourage others to do the same you know the sport locally will never change.

My kid held back, and I love it. You can whine away until your butt hurts.

Ha! Good for you. My on age kid probably kicks his [lacrosse] on regular basis. Sorry your kids couldn't compete against his peers.

It was so bad that even the guru of recruiting TY Xanders put out a remark that something had to be done about the age difference.
All his quotes

Age-based system (like soccer & hockey) should be enforced hardest at HS levels, where holdbacks are rampant. Creates uneven competition.

New rules should devalue reclassed prospects, but so many times this summer I watched teams w/ kids at least 1.5 years older than opponents.

Not trying to hate on reclassed kids - that is each family's decision & sometimes it's logical. Bottom line: clubs gotta go by birth year.[/quote]

Ty Xanders is an [lacrosse] clown, whoever buys him his last beer gets their opinion printed

If you even dream about your kid competing on the same field as mine, I want you to wake up and apologize.

Sure, for starters, in the MIAA every A conference coach is a better source for Bmore recruiting. And I will raise you one to keep you from asking another dumb question. In college, at least every D1 coach is a better source about college recruiting.

Ty Xanders is an [lacrosse] clown, whoever buys him his last beer gets their opinion printed

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Ty Xanders is a total joke. Ever wonder how he makes his money? He doesn't do this junk for free. He is a total nit and has never played lacrosse in college, [lacrosse], he never finished his first semester of his freshman year. He found a way to try and make a living by doing his recruiting updates yet no one takes him seriously except the parents of the players he mentions. HS and college coaches pay no attention to him. They know and find the good players thru their own sources, and it isn't thru little boy Ty.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit I see....... Bmore recruiting is not the same as High School recruiting. I know you MIAA parents think the world revolves around MIAA HS lacrosse, but there is other places lacrosse is played at a high level. MIAA coaches know the MIAA as does local Xanders. But Xanders follows DC/Philly/Long Island/Conn/NY/FL/etc/etc.. MIAA coaches may know a kid here or there out of MIAA world, but not as much as Xanders.
Seriously College Coaches?? They may know what they are looking for more than Xanders but they dont follow all HS like Xanders. Once the fill up they dont pay a huge amount of attention to other HS players in the same class? Most college teams only need 10 -15 recruits each year. And for that..You want to tell us that they know HS recruiting better than Xanders. LOL and your D1 coaches arent even looking at some HS players D2 and D3 look at, There is a world outside of D1?? Right?? LOL

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit I see....... Bmore recruiting is not the same as High School recruiting. I know you MIAA parents think the world revolves around MIAA HS lacrosse, but there is other places lacrosse is played at a high level. MIAA coaches know the MIAA as does local Xanders. But Xanders follows DC/Philly/Long Island/Conn/NY/FL/etc/etc.. MIAA coaches may know a kid here or there out of MIAA world, but not as much as Xanders.
Seriously College Coaches?? They may know what they are looking for more than Xanders but they dont follow all HS like Xanders. Once the fill up they dont pay a huge amount of attention to other HS players in the same class? Most college teams only need 10 -15 recruits each year. And for that..You want to tell us that they know HS recruiting better than Xanders. LOL and your D1 coaches arent even looking at some HS players D2 and D3 look at, There is a world outside of D1?? Right?? LOL

Wow, you are critical of someone's reading comprehension and yet your sentence structure sucks big time.What you posted looks like it was done by a forth grader.
If you think for one minute college coaches do not know high level players in other areas of the country you are very misinformed. They have scouts and others who are always looking for the high level, exceptional player. Yes, coaches in Maryland know of players in NY/DC/ LI/Philly/Midwest/West Coast etc..It is the same for NY and all other areas of the country, college coaches know where and who the talent is. And...they do not rely on Ty at all. They know who he is but that is as far as it goes.
Now that I re read your post it is still not well structured and there is a good possibility it may have been posted by Ty himself. He is thin skinned, somewhat like Trump. Yup, I believe the above post was written by Ty.. He really needs to take some writing courses to improve and maintain a higher level of sentence structure.

And once again, therein lies the problem....it is NOT about YOU. It must get lonely waiting for someone to come by to bore them with your "WE won this weekend."or perhaps " I am announcing a game this weekend, but more importantly let me tell you about my stud son who I held back". Or "my high school team lost this weekend but let me tell you about my son who I held back and who plays in the MIAAA". Of course if an extra year to even have a chance of getting a scholarship is your goal, then more power to you but that is not the goal or the character that those trying to promote age based play are going for. The dads that live through their boys will never get it so carry on but don't give those who are trying to fix the sport and teach kids sportsmanship etc. grief.

You are hilarious! Maybe your FOURTH grade education failed you in spelling! You have more to say about sentence structure than the actual point. That is the normal for people like you who rather than evaluating the soundness and validity of the argument that he presents
goes for argumentum ad hominem. Ignorant Hillary Lovers like you usually do that. Just throw out hate filled rhetoric instead of actually presenting an argument to your view.

To insinuate that Ty Xanders know more about recruiting and talent than College or High School lacrosse coaches is inaccurate, to imply that college coaches only look at 10-15 kids and once they fill a list they pack it in is inaccurate, to say that there is a world outside of D1 (which there is) and think that Ty Xanders knows anything about that is inaccurate (he promotes very few, if any D2 and D3 kids). He is a front running name dropper, he made his bones as a sandwich boy for King Crab, then began writing down what he said and posting online. I find it funny that he makes his living off of the club game and then wants to criticize something he promotes and helped create, biting the hand that feeds you is not very intelligent.

Well like most things on here when you call someone or some team a joke or bad you should be required to name a better option for the same thing. So can you name a better source or sight that follows high school lacrosse recruiting? I will be waiting but I am sure you will not name one. This lacrosse world is like Crabs in a bucket we eat our own.


" follows high school recruiting " Pretty sure Ty Xanders is #1 at that .. How did that morph into him knowing more about recruiting players ???

My point about Ty X is he is the only guy writing about high school lacrosse players and their recruiting. His site and write ups are the best thing online for high school lacrosse fans to read. When you start your own sight and start putting out write ups about players and events we will listen to your criticism of what he writes. My point is he is the 1st,2nd and 3rd best site online about high school lacrosse recruiting.

Thanks for responding Ty. I wasn't sure if you read this forum but now see that you do. Keep patting yourself on the back and at some point you will get a false sense of security that you are good.

Someone's son must have been passed up a shout out by Ty !