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Re: Boys 2028-9th Grade Fall 2024/Summer 2025
Anonymous
2 hours ago
This guy doesn’t get it. Yes we all know cheating, excuse me holding back your kid in school helps them in sports. You are playing against younger smaller kids. We all know the kids who are holding back in this grade. For the most part they are seeing others pass them by in size, speed and talent in some cases. They have decided to holdback rather than just go to college and be a lower division athlete or heaven forbid just a student!! What you are not understanding is we think you are nuts. No one cares what the UVA holdbacks do. In ahe kids aren’t comparing themselves to them because many kids right now could be in that top D1 category if they reclassed but won’t reclass. Either the kid, parent or both don’t want to do that. They think it’s ethically wrong or sends wrong message to their kid. If you are ok with it which you obviously are then go do it. Buyer beware though, the kids their real age give them no credit for playing down no matter what they accomplish, neither do the parents. You don’t seem like a guy that cares what people think, maybe your kid has thick skin too because chances are he will need it.
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Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
2 hours ago
Solid test? Hawks look to be the only decent 29 hoco team? Fusions has dominated every Maryland team. Philly stomps on MD 29 Hoco will be anyone’s to grab this year. Madlax and NL will be solid as usual as they just swap players back and forth. Dc express will have far shot, depends who they get this winter. Crabs connived the league to allow their “special” students, but haven’t played well yet. Hawks still lack a respectable offense but seemed to add size on defense, plus they are on their 3rd coach in 3 years. 91 and Predators found some talent somewhere and will probably find some more before spring. Do you remember who was getting stomped on before you started your all star Philly team, tri state team or national team where the older boys stand out (see WS results). If you were all from Philly it be one thing, but your not! Hahaha... what quality, top players are team-less this time of year and just waiting for that phone call from DCE, 91 or Preds?!?! - 91 hasn't added any difference makers. Some of their existing kids are developing/growing and that is making them a better team but they didn't add anyone material. - Preds "found" some talent on their 2028 team and brought a couple of reclass kids down. But they also lost a couple of kids to expect more of the same. My guess is this is the last year Preds stays together before the few "good" kids on the roster throw in the towel and try to jump on with TC, Crabs, FCA or Hawks. - DCE is a AAA level team. I actually think Preds would beat them at this stage. Preds will be the team to beat this year. They have picked up some players that fit in well. Probably top 1-3 team. I agree, definitely top 3 in AAA after you lose to True NoVA in Elite play in game. We are coming for your spot in Elite! Yup, we’re all up here losing sleep over True NoVA. Do you have any perspective on these teams?
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Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
2 hours ago
DCE almost always ends up farming a good team in HS. Just look at the 28s. A bunch of ML kids left to start it and randoms from other places joined. Took a while though, but they would stomp the life blood out of ML and NL now. DCE 27s are week, and I'm not sure why, but 26s and 25s were very good.
I suspect many ML and NL kids leave for a 2nd shot at DCE and then they cobble together something solid. A lot of talented 29s. I'd argue, on the whole, more solid than the 28 class. They will want to shine if they aren't getting a lot of playing time elsewhere. Just the way it works.
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Re: Boys 2028 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
2 hours ago
Will Hawks be having (or did they have) a coaching change? Hawks should build a Northern Virginia team. With their name, people would jump from the usual 3 in the DMV. To think that the Hawks could do what Crabs failed miserably at doing is naive. Madlax and Next Level (and DCE 9th grade and up) have a stranglehold on the DMV for the 50-60 elite players in each grade. Lot of teams have tried, they just can’t crack the nut. Another example of trying to put a stake in the ground is Red Hots MD. That one is doomed as well. Too many solid incumbents in the Baltimore/Annap corridor Crabs organization put zero effort into VLC, and the partnership arguably made VLC a worse experience, not better. Regardless, it's too late to start a meaningful new 2028 team at this point - kids who are serious aren't going to move to a start-up with no history once high school has started - and I don't know that anyone could've done better than the very middling results True has had in NOVA at this age group.
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
3 hours ago
If it was the same kid that showed up to tryouts for a few teams in Maryland, she is a very good player and makes them better. Most impactful is a sense she will help make YJ better and help them compete. If that’s what you meant, I would agree. However, word of caution before you get ahead of yourself, A bracket lacrosse is a lot different than the B level tournaments your DD traveled all the way to LI to play in.
Also, can BoC re-open the LI 2029 page so the YJ parents can go back there to boast? We would like to go back to talking about teams who play in the top bracket of tournaments. 91 parents you can stick around.[/quote]
Yes, her! She dominates the draw and is a scoring machine, haven't seen her stopped yet. Good luck MD folks!!
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
3 hours ago
The game I really want to see is M&D vs 91 Roar. We got a taste of this at American Select last summer. Maryland blew out Long Island in pool play but LI got their revenge in the playoffs. The 91 girls took over on day 2 and I'm sure the Maryland girls would love another shot at them. Long Island beat Pennsylvania in the final. PA was a tough team with the top NXT players. I wonder if they would have made it ot the final if they were in the bracket of death that had MD, LI, NY upstate and downstate in it.
imo M&D and 91 Roar are the top 2 teams in the 29 division right now. Would love to see them battle it out. The difference between Mid Atlantic and LI is there are 4 teams in the Mid Atlantic that can beat one another on any given day. Heros, Coppermine, M&D, NXT. You can even throw Integrity in that mix. There are 5 legitimate top 5 programs who play each other year around. LI has... Team 91. YJ went 18-0 last year before entering an A bracket summer tournament and lost 4 games to those teams mentioned above. The difference between 91 and YJ is 91 doesn't duck the competition, not in the fall or summer. Kudos for them stepping up to test themselves against the best of the best. This fall they performed very well! For that they deserve to be in consideration for number 1. YJ will enjoy their glory at number 1 for now but, until they play any of the 6 teams mentioned above it's nothing short of... laughable. Monster will fall outside the top 5 and barely top 10 when the rankings update. Hard to claim to be number 1 (YJ) when that's your best win and only game against a top 10 team. Lot of word salad there. YJ is the team to beat. They are better than last year and could have easily beat all the teams you mentioned by end of summer. This year they will be improved and should beat all teams above. Hopefully you are still around to come back and eat your words. Highly unlikel!!. Saw YJ play this fall was not impressed (other than 1 player). Also saw the true top 5 teams and was super impressed. If YJ was that good, they wouldn't need go out of state for help. Kind of a deparation/cheating move. Agreed. I've seen most of the top non-mid atlantic teams play. Lax 4 the Cure's top 2 brackets (8 teams) had some really good games. The only ones that could compete with M&D, Heros and Coppermine were NXT and 91 Roar. All the other teams are outside the top 5 including YJ, Eagle Stix, TG and Monster. YJ also had a girl from California in addition to the player from NC. They are still a great team but definitely outside the top 5 until they prove otherwise by playing 91 Roar, M&D, NXT, Coppermine and Heros.
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Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
3 hours ago
Solid test? Hawks look to be the only decent 29 hoco team? Fusions has dominated every Maryland team. Philly stomps on MD 29 Hoco will be anyone’s to grab this year. Madlax and NL will be solid as usual as they just swap players back and forth. Dc express will have far shot, depends who they get this winter. Crabs connived the league to allow their “special” students, but haven’t played well yet. Hawks still lack a respectable offense but seemed to add size on defense, plus they are on their 3rd coach in 3 years. 91 and Predators found some talent somewhere and will probably find some more before spring. Do you remember who was getting stomped on before you started your all star Philly team, tri state team or national team where the older boys stand out (see WS results). If you were all from Philly it be one thing, but your not! Hahaha... what quality, top players are team-less this time of year and just waiting for that phone call from DCE, 91 or Preds?!?! - 91 hasn't added any difference makers. Some of their existing kids are developing/growing and that is making them a better team but they didn't add anyone material. - Preds "found" some talent on their 2028 team and brought a couple of reclass kids down. But they also lost a couple of kids to expect more of the same. My guess is this is the last year Preds stays together before the few "good" kids on the roster throw in the towel and try to jump on with TC, Crabs, FCA or Hawks. - DCE is a AAA level team. I actually think Preds would beat them at this stage. Preds will be the team to beat this year. They have picked up some players that fit in well. Probably top 1-3 team. I agree, definitely top 3 in AAA after you lose to True NoVA in Elite play in game. We are coming for your spot in Elite!
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
5 hours ago
The game I really want to see is M&D vs 91 Roar. We got a taste of this at American Select last summer. Maryland blew out Long Island in pool play but LI got their revenge in the playoffs. The 91 girls took over on day 2 and I'm sure the Maryland girls would love another shot at them. Long Island beat Pennsylvania in the final. PA was a tough team with the top NXT players. I wonder if they would have made it ot the final if they were in the bracket of death that had MD, LI, NY upstate and downstate in it.
imo M&D and 91 Roar are the top 2 teams in the 29 division right now. Would love to see them battle it out. The difference between Mid Atlantic and LI is there are 4 teams in the Mid Atlantic that can beat one another on any given day. Heros, Coppermine, M&D, NXT. You can even throw Integrity in that mix. There are 5 legitimate top 5 programs who play each other year around. LI has... Team 91. YJ went 18-0 last year before entering an A bracket summer tournament and lost 4 games to those teams mentioned above. The difference between 91 and YJ is 91 doesn't duck the competition, not in the fall or summer. Kudos for them stepping up to test themselves against the best of the best. This fall they performed very well! For that they deserve to be in consideration for number 1. YJ will enjoy their glory at number 1 for now but, until they play any of the 6 teams mentioned above it's nothing short of... laughable. Monster will fall outside the top 5 and barely top 10 when the rankings update. Hard to claim to be number 1 (YJ) when that's your best win and only game against a top 10 team. Lot of word salad there. YJ is the team to beat. They are better than last year and could have easily beat all the teams you mentioned by end of summer. This year they will be improved and should beat all teams above. Hopefully you are still around to come back and eat your words. The player they have traveling back and forth from NC will make a huge difference. She may be the most impactful player in the 2029s if used appropriately. If it was the same kid that showed up to tryouts for a few teams in Maryland, she is a very good player and makes them better. Most impactful is a sense she will help make YJ better and help them compete. If that’s what you meant, I would agree. However, word of caution before you get ahead of yourself, A bracket lacrosse is a lot different than the B level tournaments your DD traveled all the way to LI to play in. Also, can BoC re-open the LI 2029 page so the YJ parents can go back there to boast? We would like to go back to talking about teams who play in the top bracket of tournaments. 91 parents you can stick around.
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Re: Boys High School
Anonymous
5 hours ago
Why did St. Mary’s let a couple of freshmen play on Varsity? It insulting to returning players to do this before tryouts.
St Mary’s 1-2 on the day. Losing to public school. Think they fired the wrong coach. I’m not a St. Mary’s parent nor a fan but give it a rest. It’s fall ball. A lot of those schools have some of their committed players playing. A ton of kids are hurt. Good Lord. Several schools had freshman play with varsity, especially when they did not enter a JV team. It’s a good way to watch them in a competitive environment not just at tryouts. Heard Coach played the freshman to send a message to the existing entitled players and parents. If they are going to lose with the existing below average players, might as well play the kids who haven’t been tainted yet. Turning a new leaf, it’s going to be earned and behavior and off field actions are being taking into account.[/quote] Winning in MD means recruiting and not playing entitled players. Last year they let their sr goalie start because of whose son he was. I'm not for completely benching players but make clear what they're contributing and not doing well.[/quote] New staff seems to be adding gasoline to the dumpster fire already. How long til the principal steps in and makes them start his son on varsity?
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
7 hours ago
The game I really want to see is M&D vs 91 Roar. We got a taste of this at American Select last summer. Maryland blew out Long Island in pool play but LI got their revenge in the playoffs. The 91 girls took over on day 2 and I'm sure the Maryland girls would love another shot at them. Long Island beat Pennsylvania in the final. PA was a tough team with the top NXT players. I wonder if they would have made it ot the final if they were in the bracket of death that had MD, LI, NY upstate and downstate in it.
imo M&D and 91 Roar are the top 2 teams in the 29 division right now. Would love to see them battle it out. The difference between Mid Atlantic and LI is there are 4 teams in the Mid Atlantic that can beat one another on any given day. Heros, Coppermine, M&D, NXT. You can even throw Integrity in that mix. There are 5 legitimate top 5 programs who play each other year around. LI has... Team 91. YJ went 18-0 last year before entering an A bracket summer tournament and lost 4 games to those teams mentioned above. The difference between 91 and YJ is 91 doesn't duck the competition, not in the fall or summer. Kudos for them stepping up to test themselves against the best of the best. This fall they performed very well! For that they deserve to be in consideration for number 1. YJ will enjoy their glory at number 1 for now but, until they play any of the 6 teams mentioned above it's nothing short of... laughable. Monster will fall outside the top 5 and barely top 10 when the rankings update. Hard to claim to be number 1 (YJ) when that's your best win and only game against a top 10 team. Lot of word salad there. YJ is the team to beat. They are better than last year and could have easily beat all the teams you mentioned by end of summer. This year they will be improved and should beat all teams above. Hopefully you are still around to come back and eat your words. Highly unlikel!!. Saw YJ play this fall was not impressed (other than 1 player). Also saw the true top 5 teams and was super impressed. If YJ was that good, they wouldn't need go out of state for help. Kind of a deparation/cheating move.
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
10 hours ago
The game I really want to see is M&D vs 91 Roar. We got a taste of this at American Select last summer. Maryland blew out Long Island in pool play but LI got their revenge in the playoffs. The 91 girls took over on day 2 and I'm sure the Maryland girls would love another shot at them. Long Island beat Pennsylvania in the final. PA was a tough team with the top NXT players. I wonder if they would have made it ot the final if they were in the bracket of death that had MD, LI, NY upstate and downstate in it.
imo M&D and 91 Roar are the top 2 teams in the 29 division right now. Would love to see them battle it out. The difference between Mid Atlantic and LI is there are 4 teams in the Mid Atlantic that can beat one another on any given day. Heros, Coppermine, M&D, NXT. You can even throw Integrity in that mix. There are 5 legitimate top 5 programs who play each other year around. LI has... Team 91. YJ went 18-0 last year before entering an A bracket summer tournament and lost 4 games to those teams mentioned above. The difference between 91 and YJ is 91 doesn't duck the competition, not in the fall or summer. Kudos for them stepping up to test themselves against the best of the best. This fall they performed very well! For that they deserve to be in consideration for number 1. YJ will enjoy their glory at number 1 for now but, until they play any of the 6 teams mentioned above it's nothing short of... laughable. Monster will fall outside the top 5 and barely top 10 when the rankings update. Hard to claim to be number 1 (YJ) when that's your best win and only game against a top 10 team. Lot of word salad there. YJ is the team to beat. They are better than last year and could have easily beat all the teams you mentioned by end of summer. This year they will be improved and should beat all teams above. Hopefully you are still around to come back and eat your words. The player they have traveling back and forth from NC will make a huge difference. She may be the most impactful player in the 2029s if used appropriately.
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
Yesterday at 09:01 PM
YJ dad,
Your coaches have the contact info for heros, m&d, coppermine, nxt, and integrity, why don’t they set up a scrimmage or two? Those teams could def use strong b bracket competition to try out new plays and get tuned up for ngll, why not make it happen? (We know why….)
Heros, m&d, and nxt should start entering the same lower brackets that yj plays in each tournament, that would be hilarious.
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Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
Yesterday at 07:33 PM
Solid test? Hawks look to be the only decent 29 hoco team? Fusions has dominated every Maryland team. Philly stomps on MD 29 Hoco will be anyone’s to grab this year. Madlax and NL will be solid as usual as they just swap players back and forth. Dc express will have far shot, depends who they get this winter. Crabs connived the league to allow their “special” students, but haven’t played well yet. Hawks still lack a respectable offense but seemed to add size on defense, plus they are on their 3rd coach in 3 years. 91 and Predators found some talent somewhere and will probably find some more before spring. Do you remember who was getting stomped on before you started your all star Philly team, tri state team or national team where the older boys stand out (see WS results). If you were all from Philly it be one thing, but your not! Hahaha... what quality, top players are team-less this time of year and just waiting for that phone call from DCE, 91 or Preds?!?! - 91 hasn't added any difference makers. Some of their existing kids are developing/growing and that is making them a better team but they didn't add anyone material. - Preds "found" some talent on their 2028 team and brought a couple of reclass kids down. But they also lost a couple of kids to expect more of the same. My guess is this is the last year Preds stays together before the few "good" kids on the roster throw in the towel and try to jump on with TC, Crabs, FCA or Hawks. - DCE is a AAA level team. I actually think Preds would beat them at this stage. Preds will be the team to beat this year. They have picked up some players that fit in well. Probably top 1-3 team. HA! Your 1-4-1 record this fall says otherwise, but you always will be “the talk of the town”
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Re: Boys 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
Yesterday at 07:26 PM
Solid test? Hawks look to be the only decent 29 hoco team? Fusions has dominated every Maryland team. Philly stomps on MD Hilarious, While Philly has some good players occasionally , Philly is a wanna be in lacrosse. Baltimore and Long Island are the Kings and all the rest are subjects of them. Philly is the king of lacrosse. Look at the New Balance All American games recently. Philly has been winning them consistently, especially when they have all the top players playing. Haverford and Malvern are consistently some of the top teams in the nation, often only losing to boarding schools / national teams that pull players from all over the nation like Lawrenceville or other national powers.
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
Yesterday at 07:00 PM
The game I really want to see is M&D vs 91 Roar. We got a taste of this at American Select last summer. Maryland blew out Long Island in pool play but LI got their revenge in the playoffs. The 91 girls took over on day 2 and I'm sure the Maryland girls would love another shot at them. Long Island beat Pennsylvania in the final. PA was a tough team with the top NXT players. I wonder if they would have made it ot the final if they were in the bracket of death that had MD, LI, NY upstate and downstate in it.
imo M&D and 91 Roar are the top 2 teams in the 29 division right now. Would love to see them battle it out. The difference between Mid Atlantic and LI is there are 4 teams in the Mid Atlantic that can beat one another on any given day. Heros, Coppermine, M&D, NXT. You can even throw Integrity in that mix. There are 5 legitimate top 5 programs who play each other year around. LI has... Team 91. YJ went 18-0 last year before entering an A bracket summer tournament and lost 4 games to those teams mentioned above. The difference between 91 and YJ is 91 doesn't duck the competition, not in the fall or summer. Kudos for them stepping up to test themselves against the best of the best. This fall they performed very well! For that they deserve to be in consideration for number 1. YJ will enjoy their glory at number 1 for now but, until they play any of the 6 teams mentioned above it's nothing short of... laughable. Monster will fall outside the top 5 and barely top 10 when the rankings update. Hard to claim to be number 1 (YJ) when that's your best win and only game against a top 10 team. Lot of word salad there. YJ is the team to beat. They are better than last year and could have easily beat all the teams you mentioned by end of summer. This year they will be improved and should beat all teams above. Hopefully you are still around to come back and eat your words. How will we ever test this theory out, you guys deliberately duck teams like 91, nxt, heros, and coppermine?
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
Yesterday at 06:48 PM
Lot of word salad there. YJ is the team to beat. They are better than last year and could have easily beat all the teams you mentioned by end of summer. This year they will be improved and should beat all teams above. Hopefully you are still around to come back and eat your words.[/quote]
Lol. YJ picked up at least one girl cut from the programs mentioned, you have never beaten those teams, you guys hide in the B bracket, have never won a tournament anyone has heard of, and duck team 91 by not playing in NGLL; nobody is scared of you.
I bet you guys would sign up for the B division in the NGLL too, so weak.
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Re: Girls 2029 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous
Yesterday at 06:04 PM
The game I really want to see is M&D vs 91 Roar. We got a taste of this at American Select last summer. Maryland blew out Long Island in pool play but LI got their revenge in the playoffs. The 91 girls took over on day 2 and I'm sure the Maryland girls would love another shot at them. Long Island beat Pennsylvania in the final. PA was a tough team with the top NXT players. I wonder if they would have made it ot the final if they were in the bracket of death that had MD, LI, NY upstate and downstate in it.
imo M&D and 91 Roar are the top 2 teams in the 29 division right now. Would love to see them battle it out. The difference between Mid Atlantic and LI is there are 4 teams in the Mid Atlantic that can beat one another on any given day. Heros, Coppermine, M&D, NXT. You can even throw Integrity in that mix. There are 5 legitimate top 5 programs who play each other year around. LI has... Team 91. YJ went 18-0 last year before entering an A bracket summer tournament and lost 4 games to those teams mentioned above. The difference between 91 and YJ is 91 doesn't duck the competition, not in the fall or summer. Kudos for them stepping up to test themselves against the best of the best. This fall they performed very well! For that they deserve to be in consideration for number 1. YJ will enjoy their glory at number 1 for now but, until they play any of the 6 teams mentioned above it's nothing short of... laughable. Monster will fall outside the top 5 and barely top 10 when the rankings update. Hard to claim to be number 1 (YJ) when that's your best win and only game against a top 10 team. Lot of word salad there. YJ is the team to beat. They are better than last year and could have easily beat all the teams you mentioned by end of summer. This year they will be improved and should beat all teams above. Hopefully you are still around to come back and eat your words. Cool story Coach.
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Re: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity
Anonymous
Yesterday at 06:02 PM
Fall Club season over and top teams in Philly via USClub:
2026: Mesa (19), TT (22), Freedom (49), BL (53), HHH (62) 2027: TT (4), BL (12), Freedom (29), HHH (44) 2028: Freedom (4), Dukes (10), BL (21), Mesa (37) 2029: Futures (3), dukes (30), NXT (37), T11 (40) 2030: Dukes (4), Dawgs (22), Fusion (57) 2031: Dukes (8), Dawgs (26), T11 (40), Mesa (45) 2032: Dukes (3), Delco (41), NXT (46), TT (47)
I’m sure things will change come summer but good snapshot of the area club scene. This will definitely change in the Spring and Summer when athletes that play a fall sport become more present in their club lacrosse teams.
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Re: Boys 2028-9th Grade Fall 2024/Summer 2025
Anonymous
Yesterday at 05:09 PM
Post after post about holdbacks. Will the whining ever stop? Your son finding 8th grade easier the 2nd time around? He is actually, thanks for asking! Smart move helping your son increase every opportunity in life. Reclassification can make a 3 star, a 4 or 5 star in the new grade, increase scholarship money, increase looks from better schools, and potentially get an NIL deal. You also get potential damage to their self-esteem, social development, academic progress, feelings of isolation, stigma, and a perception of being behind their peers. You do get to spend 17-20K on a private school to learn everything he should’ve learned last year and lose a year of earning as well due to finishing school a year later. So you are in a hole already financially. There’s also the questionable moral choice you are teaching him is ok. I actually know someone this happened too. He repeated 8th grade in small catholic school. The went to St. Anthonys and absolutely hates it. He's now looking to go back to public school. He was on a top team when he reclassed and saw a lot of time. Now the kid barely plays. Sometimes reclassing isn't the answer. To say the kid is a mess psychologically is an undertstatement. Don’t tell reclass Dad this he’s too interested in using his kid to live out his dreams.
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Re: Boys 2028-9th Grade Fall 2024/Summer 2025
Anonymous
Yesterday at 04:05 PM
Post after post about holdbacks. Will the whining ever stop? Your son finding 8th grade easier the 2nd time around? He is actually, thanks for asking! Smart move helping your son increase every opportunity in life. Reclassification can make a 3 star, a 4 or 5 star in the new grade, increase scholarship money, increase looks from better schools, and potentially get an NIL deal. You also get potential damage to their self-esteem, social development, academic progress, feelings of isolation, stigma, and a perception of being behind their peers. You do get to spend 17-20K on a private school to learn everything he should’ve learned last year and lose a year of earning as well due to finishing school a year later. So you are in a hole already financially. There’s also the questionable moral choice you are teaching him is ok. Hardly, Look at Duke,UVA or any Ivy roster, 75% of team is holdbacks. Unfortunately being held back or doing Prefirst works. Total @ChillLaxin in youth, but helps there too.
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