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91 / Rebels at the top, and then everyone else?

91 at top. Better rebels players moving to 91.

Ha ha ha

91 always uses kids will move to them. Maybe develop what you have. No one is going to 91, they are on way down.

BTB 2033 Renegades beat a good ECE team in the championship game to win the Fall Brawl at Heckscher state park.

2033 Kraken beat that same Renegades team handily at Tri-Star.

Who's in Penguin or Spring Lax Jam?

Penguin teams...Igloo Avalanche, BTB Renegades, Legacy Greyhounds, Rebels Kraken.

Rebels and Igloo just scrimmaged also

Looks like Igloo, 91, Rebels, Legacy and Shore2Shore will make up the top tier at the age, BTB, close, B teams tier, True Blue, Recon, Jesters, Turtles. Think 91 most talented among top teams and True Blue some upside in B tier

Cut it out. 91 best team by far. Rebels are decent, but the best players from CSH will move to 91 in the next couple of seasons. Igloo, Legacy, and Shore are second-tier. Igloo is a decent "C" Team

Yea Igloo and Legacy not really top teams at that age group. Rebels and BTB both beat Igloo handily at Penguin Invitational yesterday. And Legacy got beat up bad by all 3.

Top teams
91
Rebels
BTB

Next teir
Shore 2 Shore
Igloo

Next tier
Legacy
Jesters
True blue
And everyone else.

Cut it out? Go polish off your crystal ball buddy.

Legacy in a tier above True Blue and Jesters, AA, A, B, and C

AA - Rebels and 91
A - BTB, Shore
B - Legacy and Igloo
C - True Blue, Igloo B, Jesters and Express

I guess nobody read about ECE33 playing in the championship? They are also holding tryouts in May for a 33 national team.

What is ECE33?

ECE dead end. CSH and Krakin are forming a super team . No Rebels going to 93. Will be by far best team at 33 level.

Rebels already use kraken and CSH and whatever other kids they can pull together for tourneys. Don’t get how parents there can be happy watching them pull kids and their kids sit on bench all tourney.

33 kraken on top all day

Congrats! You barely won a B tourney! Rude awakening coming soon for this group

Something happening soon please inform us

Yup. Each game for the Kraken boys…last second shots to win. Desperately fought back. Barely scraped up any W’s. Did you watch any of these games or are you just a delusional parent/tagalong fan boy?

This was actually a pretty good tourney.
Rebels Kraken on top BTB Renegades right behind them
then Shore to Shore and igloo a slight step down.


Rest of the tourney teams 7 were all in B division.
What other teams or tourneys are there that are better for this age?

Spring jam might be the best youth tournament of the spring. Only 4 teams at 33 A though so this was a lighter bracket, still great games all around

How many teams does rebels have in this age group and what are the names? Hard to follow some of the lingo. Thanks

Impressive tourney all around. 33 definitely weakest A division but you play whoever is there.

Imagine being a grown man or woman, coming on to an anonymous forum, and speaking down on the success of 10 year olds?

I don't think folks are speaking down on kids, I think folks are speaking up to other parents who come on here and pump their team's tires unnecessarily. As most threads on here will explain, all roads lead to 91 and Express on Long Island. Nitro is already a clear leader in this group, express will recruit come 8th grade. yes a long way from here, but it's something people need to come to terms with in the next few years.

Website says three, I know one is CSH town team "Seahawks".

Nitro and Kraken have played once since October. Nitro won 8-4, so that's not such a clear and dominant W, at least not the normal 91 thrashing that you would expect given all this hype. I'm sure both teams have some new players now, and perhaps they are both better, maybe not. One thing is for sure though, that they need to play again. The one thing that changes all that "leaving your team" hype and expectation is winning and being comfortable with the players you suit up with, putting egos aside. 91 is built on ego and people are starting to see through that.

What 91 team under 29 ages has got better last couple years. Maybe 30's all others opposite direction.
Express is really Bad at 34 33 32
So explain why parents will bring kids there.
Times change, reputation for past success means NOTHING.

I haven't seen 91 Nitro in any tournaments yet only the 91 B team in a few. Where did Kraken and Nitro play? It is surpising how low the Express teams are right now at all these young age groups. The parity is great right now but yes it will be interesting to see if all these top kids on all these teams migrate to 91 and express or stay put over the years.

The times don’t change. The places where elite talent comes from has.

Neither of those clubs or any other on LI can make an elite team of all LI players. Too many kids playing across the country now.

Both of those clubs, at the high school years (when it matters) will be loaded with out of state players and any of the can’t miss LI players and competing with the other best teams in the country. The other clubs will still be the other clubs. And your buddy who pounds his chest about his kid playing for 91 or Express in 3rd and 4th grade is likely to not have his kid in either organization by 10th.

91 is top in most of those age groups and year over year get better, so your argument is essentially a load of @ChillLaxin.

2029 - 91 Chaos - Most likely top LI team in WS, prob lose to eclipse in the final
2030 - 91 Cyclones - Top 1/2 teams in the country
2031 - 91 Titans - Worst team in the history of 91, need new coaching staff
2032 - 91 Valor - def in the top 2/3 teams in LI, will get better next year
2033 - 91 Nitro - Top team in LI

And for the record, Express doesnt care about teams below 7th grade, money from younger teams supports older teams

Who voted for the top 33 team on LI? Was that at the annual 91 say we're the best get together? I guess I missed that one.

All they do is talk about themselves and they think if they say it enough people will just go along and believe it. How about let the teams actually play each other first.

Nitro roaster will change a ton. Kids who don’t get playing time (1/2 the team) will leave or get moved down and replaced by new kids who won’t get playing time.

Has anyone beaten Nitro? Besides 2032 teams? I think they are playing up for the NLF, probably only 33 team that can do that.

Probably only 33 team entered. No 33 bracket

They are doing that because it is their clubs tournament.

I don't think any 33 team has played Nitro yet bc they haven't entered any tourneys. It's like they're scared to enter a 33 tourney and get a loss. It's 3rd grade lacrosse, kids must be having a ball of fun on that team I think they played in one tourney 32 bracket and lost.

Nitro hasn't lost to a LI Team, so not sure why these Rebels people keep saying they are the best. Doesn't matter, just don't understand the constant cheerleading for Rebels teams. Rebels is a good program, especially for developing young talent, but the program runs its course by 7th grade, at which point the better players leave to position themselves for HS and College. Simple fact, and not taking anything away from the Rebels

Nitro hasn’t lost to a Long Island team? Not really a boast when they literally haven’t played anyone 😂😂 Can also say Nitro hasn’t beaten a Long Island team. They’re all going to have to play sooner or later.

The only team close to Nitro is CSH/Rebels, and the good players on that team will move to Nitro next season. Nitro is still the best team on LI by far. They are so good they don't have to play on age and should play up. Name a worthy opponent their age.

Everyone Moves to 91, all other Clubs should fold now.

Not everyone, but 1-2 of the better players on CSH/Rebels will move to 91. Development and Coaching are far superior.

91 nitro might be the best but no one knows because they don't play anyone. They should play Rebels Kraken, Rebels Seahawks and BTB Renegades. Until they actually start playing them it's all talk by 91.

Gotta love 91's strategy though we might not be the best but will just take all your best players so we can become the best.

If the development and coaching are so much better, why do they need to rely on constantly taking other clubs players… instead of you know coaching and developing….

Well said

Exactly they just rely on the 91 name and give more free scholarships to all the players then other teams. Then all the money from the b and c team players offset it to pay for the A team.

You can’t develop every kid; most kids hit their ceiling before high school

Always wondered how that worked. Parent of a B team here - so your saying that there are A team players that don't pay?

Totally False!

Every organization has a magic number of paid players they need to hit for profitability regardless of A, B or C. The people chirping that A teams have all these kids playing for free are the same people that think every kid heading to D1 schools are getting full athletic scholarships.

Focus on your own kid. Find a place your player/family are happy and enjoy the ride. It’ll be over before you know it.

Signed,
Someone with experience

This is 2033 and there is very little experience from parents within this age group, especially Rebels Parents. The landscape will change and it will change fast. Rebels won't be the same or good come 7th grade. Teams/Clubs don't give scholarships, most have coaches kids who play for free, and rightfully so as they volunteer their time, good or bad, most put forth dedication and commitment, so they deserve it. The rest of the team pays full boat and nobody in their right mind thinks they are getting D1 scholarships.

Thankyou B team parent!

BLA BLA BLA 91 Misinformation
Kind of sad, that 91 Directors are on this site
Feeling the Pressure of falling

Remember, theirs always barber college!

Not a good showing for 91! Team 91 Nitro went 0-5 at NLF all blow outs. Guess not as good as they thought. Might wanna stop trying to play up. 91 Valor 1-4 only win was second day against 91 Nitro 😳

Gotta love Rebels parents, clueless. 91 leaves LI because the comp is much better. Valor and Nitro are still 10 times better than their respective rebels teams.

That doesn’t even work anymore. 91 isn’t what it used to be. After 2030 Cyclones 91 is ehhh at best.

These are first born parents who have zero experience with how this all plays out. 91 may not have the strength at the moment but when it all sorts out and as players move into high school everyone will want to be on 91.

Yea the parity at the younger ages is great. Much better seeing competitive lacrosse games and all the kids developing then just one team loaded up.

Incorrect, 5 or 6 years ago probably. Once Spallina’s kids aged out the program hasn’t been the same and it will never be the same. Only thing keeping Express afloat is the Catholic connection. The glory days are over. That’s why you see Express struggle at younger ages and 91 has dropped off a ton. So many opportunities these days for kids , national teams, showcases, etc.

Everyone wants to tryout 3 days in the July heat to make a team that has already been recruited behind the scenes? The recruited players show up 1 day out of the 3 and many of the current players that are comfortable with their spot on the team go on vacation and don’t show up. Have fun at tryouts!

91 is spiraling down-FACTS

Let us allow the facts to do the talking:

High-end D1/Ivy Commits from 91 Shock - 11
High-end D1/Ivy Commits from Rebels - 0

Mid-level D1 from 91 - 5
Mid-level D1 from Rebels - 0

Low-end D1 from 91 - 3
Low-end D1 from Rebels - 2

I think this conversation just ended

You're talking about 25's teams on a 33 board. yea that conversation def ended lol

I think what people are saying is that over time those numbers (the pro 91 numbers that you posted and have bar graphs to show proof), for various reasons, may change. Nobody is talking about the power that your seniors have this year, but those who will be seniors in 30, 31, 32, 33, etc.

It is true what folks say, Rebels parents are very poorly educated. It now makes sense why the best players from the Rebels never go to college

Rebels have over 10 D1 commits in 2025 class, including some top schools like Maryland, and 91 was better at 2025 and has reclasses from all over country, not proving much of a point especially using made up numbers.

91 LI Nitro was very impressive at NLF. 2033s taking on 32s and doing very well despite huge size differences. They moved the ball well and had good lax IQ for such young ages. Congrats for what will be a tough team. This comment from a coach but not connected to the team or even the state.

Tristar 33 brackets look like all the good teams are in it.

NAL playoffs

1 Sweetlax vs 4 BBL Shore (Rematch)
2 Rebels vs 3 Dukes (Rematch)

Good luck to all

Valor beat Rebels Archers by 1 goal in a consolation match in Delaware. Yup, 10x better. You guys that say the Rebel parent and fan base inflate their kids heads need to look in the mirror a bit closer. All of that marching and flag waving like your boys served in the armed forces got them a 1 goal win over a team that you're "10 times better than".

Ha! Rebels lost and now come on here with excuses Not been 4th grade and you are already irrelevant Better players leave for 91 next year Rebels aces are the example 0-5 patents and players quit on the way to the parking lot! Way to go rebels!

Sweetlax nice showing.

Tristar going to be nice seeing all the teams slugging it out.

And the Rebels parents are the ones who are poorly educated?

1st game of Tri Star 91 Nitro already lost 6-4 to stealth!

Same Stealth team that beat Rebels Kraken and Rebels Seahawks at last month’s Future Champions tournament? Looks like they’re out of Florida. Have any info about them?

Rebels are so good

Saw some real good lacrosse today from this age group.

Stealth 1 seed 3-0
Crabs 2 seed 3-0
BTB 3 seed 3-0
Rebels Kraken 4 seed 2-1

Any of those 4 teams can win championship tomorrow!


Nitro left out 2-1 😂 a lot of talking for that team.

Rebels Kraken was not at Futures. That was a different team

Two Rebels teams played in that tournament - National and Seahawks/CSH.

Stealth takes the championship with wins over Kraken (11-10 in OT) and Crabs (8-7). Would rank 91 Nitro as the fourth best team in this tournament. Stealth, Kraken and Crabs looked better. BTB was the fourth playoff team, but likely 91 Nitro wins a head to head matchup.

Rebels need work, sloppy play vs Stealth

Stealth, Crabs, BTB and Kraken. I saw some of the games of the top 4 teams in 2033s this age group play today (had my sons games today sons a 31) some impressive lacrosse. I couldn’t believe the size and skill of these teams for their age.

Yup. Sloppy 11-10 loss to quite possibly the best 33 club team on the east coast in Stealth. Scored a sloppy 52 goals in 5 games. Lost 2 games by a grand total of 2 goals. You gotta come with a better comment than that.

In 2033 these kids can barely catch and throw, not sure how or why parents are blasting teams. I understand, and by the looks of most boards, the Rebels parents def cheerlead, and that is super annoying, but let's relax regarding 3rd graders. Parents should ask, did we play well, and refrain from counting wins and losses. Nobody remembers Tri-Star from 3rd grade!

Sounds like you’re a 91 parent. 😂 The players on these teams are surprisingly skilled, well-beyond “barely” catching and throwing, with good lax IQ.

Rebels aren't good, we saw this with Rebels Aces and Stealth, decent at the younger age groups, and then dismantled because there is no development and the coaching is poor. This 33 team will have the same results, best players are already leaving for 91. Harsh reality and wake-up call coming.

The best players played this past weekend...at 4:00 while you were at home focusing on development.

Wow, you really got that guy, what a burn. This 2033? These kids are too young to be talking garbage, just enjoy bad lacrosse, especially if you are watching the Rebels.

Wow is this really grown men talking about 3rd graders.

Right now all those top 2033 teams look good off to a great start especially considering their age. Quit the bickering and enjoy it. It goes by quick.

Welcome to the most dysfunctional place on planet earth. These Dad’s are real weird.

AWWWWW snap! Yup, 2033 thanks for stopping by.

91 Nitro beat both the Rebels (Kraken and Seahawks) teams pretty good this weekend only 3 teams in that tourney rest all B teams.
BTB Renegades came in 2nd place down in a Maryland tourney lost to the Crabs in Championship game.

Next tier of teams all played in a fairly weak Connecticut tourney
Igloo tight wins final one over Orange Crush by 1 goal.
Shore 2 Shore went 0-5 even lost to 91's b team not a good look.

National Top 2033 Teams after Summer 2024

Note: Tournament-only/National/All-Star teams not included, but recognized at end if they play town teams. Where there are conflicts, more weighting given to a. full games over shortened multi tournament games, b. good wins, c. good losses, d. avoiding bad losses)

1. Madlax Capital (Hoco undefeated, winner Championship 7-4)
2. Next Level Blue (Hoco #2 team, beat Annapolis Hawks 9-2, won Millon Summer Invite, Md)
3. Annapolis Hawks (#3 Hoco, beat Crabs 7-1)
4. Stealth Black Ops (Win Tri Star Clash, NY, beat 91 Nitro, Crabs, Rebels Kraken)
5. Crabs (#4 Hoco, Close Runner up to Stealth in Tri Star, beat Rebels Kraken, at Crabfeast wiped out BTB Renegades)
6. Sweetlax Upstate (won NA Lacrosse Summer Invite, beat BBL Shore, BBL Black, runner-up Rebels Kraken (who beat Duke's Elite, BBL Black))
7. 91 LI Nitro (won Natl Summer Showdown, beat Rebels Kraken)
8. Towermen (beat Next Level Blue 5-3 in first game of NXT Meltdown, Pa., in Tri Star Clash, NY lost 13-2 to 91 Nitro, lost 11-3 to Stealth)
9. Igloo Avalanche (won Prime Time, NY, beat BBL Black, Team 91 Navy, Shore2shore, Orange Crush)
10. Orange Crush (close #2 Prime Time, NY, beat BBL Black, Team 91 Navy, Shore2shore, won Saratoga Shootout, NY)
In the mix:
-Rebels Kraken* (in Tri Star NY, beat Shore2shore, BBL Black, BTB, close losses to Crabs, Stealth In NA Lacrosse Summer Invite, was runner up to Sweetlax Upstate, beat Duke's Elite, BBL Black. Could be considered a tournament all-star team)
-3D Garden State (won Battle at the Beach, NJ, beat Team 91 NJ, BBL Northstars, Mad Dog Shore)
-Turtles (won LI Lax Fest)
-BTB Renegades
-Blue Star Destroyers (won NXT Trident, Pa)
Tournament Teams:
Sweetlax Fl* (regional tournament team, includes some Stealth, beat Madlax 8-7 in NA Summer Championships, DE)

2033 Rankings

1. Mad Lax Capital
2. Next Level Blue
3. Annapolis Hawks
4. Stealth Black Ops
5. Crabs
6. 91 LI Nitro
7. Sweetlax upstate
8. Rebels Kraken
9. BTB Renegades
10. Orange Crush/ Towerman


Early Rankings no clear #1 team yet and not much separation between 1-10 for a strong age group.

General starement accurate, but haven't seen any basis for moving Rebels Kraken or BTB Renegades up at this time.

At the Penguin Igloo tournament Kraken and BTB both beat Igloo. At Spring Jam Kraken and BTB again both beat Igloo. It’s pretty clear. Don’t even have to go common opponents but if so Tri Star kraken and BTB both played top teams (crabs, stealth to competitive games. 1 goal losses to Stealth and Crabs Igloo was blown out by that level of teams. Kraken head to head with BTB has beaten them so have them over.

Towerman same thing at Tristar they went 1-4 blown out by stealth and 91 and even lost to Express North who BTB beat. Towerman Only a 1 goal win over BBL. BTB and Kraken both smoked BBL and both teams made it to playoff bracket. Lost to Crabs and Stealth.

Orange Crush no top wins might even have Express North at 10 over them at 10.

You can tell when a Rebel parent is on here. Oblivious to reality. Kraken won’t be and never will be top 10. Rebel teams dismantle and this parent will get a taste in the coming year or two.

You have a point that Rebel Kraken's record was comparable to Igloo and BTB Renegades and I would make that a 3-way tie. But none have wins of any kind over those above them on here. Towerman, although having significant losses earlier, did manage one big win against Next Level, so is a small step above at this point. These are just snapshots on what we hope is a long development process for all boys and teams. But it is good to give informed recognition where recognition is due.

Not a Rebels parent and I think you’re right about them prob dismantling in a year two. Gotta give them credit it might be short lived but atleast for this year. I didn’t realize Towerman does have one big win. But rebels and BTB both beating Igloo multiple times and Igloo no significant wins, can’t have Igloo above them two. Looking forward to end of summer tourneys and next year see who continues to develop and who loses players and takes a step down. All in all a very strong group of teams for 2033!

Typo--meant record comparable to Orange Crush, not BTB.

Kraken played BTB 3 times this tournament season and have not lost to them. They also beat Igloo the one time that they played. They lost to Stealth Black Ops 11-10 in OT, Mad Lax Capital 5-4, Crabs 7-6 and most recently Sweet Lax upstate 5-3. The Rebels 33 National Team which is mostly Kraken players beat Orange Crush 2x. Last fall they beat Towermen 10-4. Kraken are 100% not top 5...yet, they have to close out games. Only team on that list that they have struggled with on multiple occasions is Nitro, who I'd definitely put in the top 5. The Kraken are a top 10, definitely, and most definitely above BTB, Towermen and Igloo who I'd leave off the list to be honest. The talent is really so deep at this level, it's been a pleasure to watch so many of these teams battle it out this spring and early summer!

I corrected my post in that there really isn't anything separating Rebel Kraken w Igloo and Orange Crush (and don't rank BTB at this point). Other teams have wins that Kraken doesn't have. All pretty even. Good losses are just better than bad losses and show that possibly, w more training and/or talent, they are striking range of expecting a win against the other teams. Fall is fun but doesn't count when it comes to complete teams during lax season and the point of the post is to recognize development. And Towermen have that big win (even if they probably couldn't have replicated it in the championship) that Kraken doesn't yet have.

I’ve seen the comments and people’s views. By your argument what win does igloo have? They’ve lost to Kraken 1x and they’ve lost to BTB 2x they’ve never beaten either of them or any top tier team. There is no way they are a top 10 team at this point when you’re consistently losing to teams barely in the top 10.
Orange Crush is the same as Igloo no significant win good record against 2nd tier teams.



1. Mad Lax Capital
2. Next Level Blue
3. Annapolis Hawks
4. Stealth Black Ops
5. Crabs
6. Nitro
7. Sweetlax Upstate
8. Rebels Kraken
9. BTB Renegades
10. Towerman

Orange Crush and Express North next two teams on fringe.
Towerman prob ranked to high. Nitro I can see creeping towards top.

Looking forward to upcoming tourneys and next season and getting a larger pool of games to see how it starts to shake out.