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If the TG fans would just stick to their section to boast and YJ stay here then all would be well.To the YJ parents ignore the non- sense you will see come recruitment age how well it will work out for you. People can say what they want but CR opinion goes a long way . After having probably the most D1 players of any program ever college coaches know that YJ has a history of sending quality players to D1 programs.

Finally something we can agree on YJ 2016 did have an easy championship bracket playing a weak TG 2016 black team in the semi-finals, if it wasn't for their goalie the game would have been barely competitive, 2016 TG still 0-10 when playing against the top teams. As far as 2020 YJ , didn't you have a YJ team in your bracket , a team that beat M&D while you guys got crushed by them.

why on earth would you bring up the 2020 comparison? Your saying YJ is better by default of a defeat at the hands of another club? TG and YJ 2020 played the only game they ever faced off in at a later tournament and TGs won, competitive close game but won by a few.

check it out..... top guns 2014 commitments not to shabby . genius

Read prior post you idiot

You are such a small person , the only mention of TG was to say they should stay on your site while YJ should do the same. Great commit list of looking to go to Hofstra.

Lets be realistic here folks CR could really care less about anyone or anything other then her blue teams. How is it there are two gold teams and only 7 committed from them. Kudos to SS for taking so many to Hofstra at least she's giving them an opportunity to play and get an education. What did CR do for her players that didn't play on her blue roster...NOTHING!!!!

Do you realize that those 7 players are on the 3rd and 4th teams. Probably more than committed from your purple team.

3 things to say. Yellowjackets are nothing what they used to be. topguns are new but not that good. all other Long island teams cant compete.

from a Maryland parent. Maryland lacrosse rules.

My daughter is signed up for two of the fall tournaments that are coming up. Although these events are raising money for a good cause, I’m just curious about how much money the organizer is making off of this. I understand that it costs money to run these tournaments, but after all is said and done, is the charity getting 100% of the proceeds or is it just another payday for someone.

3 things to say. Yellowjackets are nothing what they used to be. topguns are new but not that good. all other Long island teams cant compete.

from a Maryland parent. Maryland lacrosse rules.

When BOTC carries a charity tournament, we share the percentages back with the community. When you book an event outside of those carried here on BOTC, you are left to guess as to where that money is going. Our suggestion would be to speak with the tournament organizer and ask for a balance sheet on the tournament.

A lot of talented girls from both teams, if not this area, are going to great schools to continue their athletic and academic careers. If you go to LaxPower you can see where all the girls are from and where they are going. Long island is a hot bed for talent, but those Maryland girls probably have better resumes with regards to schools.

CR was a great help with regards to my daughter's recruiting--and no money was exchanged. You go with who you think best fits.

If this is a parent, your grammar is terrible, and you probably didn't get through high school. Gotta love the Maryland school system.

Your kidding yourself CR does nothing unless you are a kid from her school or on her blue team. Anyone else she says pay for the service or ask your high school coach to contact. I did all the leg work for my daughter who us happily playing at a D1 school and pulled my other two right out before I invested more $$ into her vacation homes or cars. It's my understanding that this year she didn't even give senior scholarships and essay contest was less $$ less girls. Sadly last year when my daughter graduated there wasn't even a luncheon. ASK YOURSELF THIS: where does all the $$ she makes at the Long Island Elite tournament go to...ill give ya one guess. Think twice before you spend any $$ on this program because at the end of the day Liberty or TG can do just as much for your child. No one is lining the sidelines JUST to watch the YJ play...especially since everyone makes a team as long as you bring your checkbook!!! Oh and one more thing had a friend with a daughter on that 4th YJ team, when they approached their coach for help last summer the response was "I'm so far removed from the recruiting process I can't help" REALLY!!!! Thankfully they were smart and left for an organization that could help their daughter as she entered her final summer...my other girls will play for any other organization, I guess they say you live and learn.

ASK YOURSELF THIS: where does all the $$ she makes at the Long Island Elite tournament go to...ill give ya one guess. Think twice before you spend any $$ on this program because at the end of the day Liberty or TG can do just as much for your child.

You can also call the charity to see if it’s a legit fundraiser. If you’ve never heard of the charity, I’d stay away or call the organizer for more info. If the web site promoting the benefit LAX tournament doesn’t have a link to the charity that it says it supporting or contain detailed statement about who or what the proceeds will be benefiting, I’d also question the organizer. Unfortunately, there are quite a few shady people out there who are taking advantage of the good intentions of these fundraisers.

Before this discussion does go too far off the rails, please note that the Long Island Elite Tournament attracted a total of 28 non-Yellow Jacket teams for 2013 according to our latest count. From that external revenue source, fields are paid, college coaches compensated, and other bills for hosting the tournament including referee fees are paid.

Following this, there are about 40 Yellow Jackets teams involved. Whether those teams are charged, charged at the same rate, or not charged is an internal club issue.

Our point here (and we might be wrong) is that the tournament is not the cash cow that you might perceive it to be.

As for the girls program that can do the most for your daughter, there are many questions to be asked and whether or not a profit is made from a showcase event is not one of the questions I would be asking to be honest.

The key question that parents and student-athletes need to ask is whether their Top Ten Academic or Athletic target schools are represented by the coaches attending these recruiting showcases. After all, if your top three target schools are the Universities of A, B, and C while you get noticed by X, Y, and Z College, have you really moved your college search forward?

I agree with Cage but far too often in travel lax the schools that show an interest jump to the top of the players wish list where the student athlete should be targeting schools not the other way around. Once the kids feel the coaches love they move that school to the top of the list. The best advise is don't settle make the school decision as if you will never play another lacrosse game again.

I couldn't disagree more. If you are playing a college sport (especially D1) you will spend just as much time doing lax related activities as you will going to class. A student only has 4 years of eligibility to play! They should try to put themselves in the best situation for academics and athletics. If they are wanted by the coach their chances of playing and enjoying their experience is greater. In addition MOST kids don't know what career path they want and use college to figure it out. There are many great academic universities that they can achieve their goals at. Why not go to one who really wants you there?

I couldn't disagree more. If you are playing a college sport (especially D1) you will spend just as much time doing lax related activities as you will going to class. A student only has 4 years of eligibility to play! They should try to put themselves in the best situation for academics and athletics. If they are wanted by the coach their chances of playing and enjoying their experience is greater. In addition MOST kids don't know what career path they want and use college to figure it out. There are many great academic universities that they can achieve their goals at. Why not go to one who really wants you there?

I couldn't disagree more. If you are playing a college sport (especially D1) you will spend just as much time doing lax related activities as you will going to class. A student only has 4 years of eligibility to play! They should try to put themselves in the best situation for academics and athletics. If they are wanted by the coach their chances of playing and enjoying their experience is greater. In addition MOST kids don't know what career path they want and use college to figure it out. There are many great academic universities that they can achieve their goals at. Why not go to one who really wants you there?

I will explain why the last poster is off the mark.
As you spend more time in the advanced lax years you will begin to hear the stories of coaches who pursue players and sign them and discover it's not a good fit for any number of reasons. These players end up miserable and often times drop out or transfer. Also, look at the coaching carousel currently in view at the women's D1 level and the amount of transfers taking place. I can not stress how important it is to choose the school FIRST. Lax is important but it must be secondary. This way if the coach leaves or they don't gel their love for the school will make their experience great.

Regarding the highlighted comment : BOTC agrees with this view and as a parent, the phone call will most often come home to you in this situation. This is why it is so critically important for the parents, not Carol Rose, Shannon Smith, or any of the other players, to be the critical contact point along with your student-athlete. When you get that first freshman year home-sickness call (and you more than likely will get that call), you will understand all you need to know.

Weighing as a parent of a D1 player (not lax), loving your school is the way to go. My daugther loved her school and came to really dislike her coach. Her collegiate athletic experience was pretty negative and she came to hate the sport she loved. I asked her more than once if she wanted to transfer but she refused -- because she loved her school and her teammates/friends. She stuck it out on the team for four years, her choice (and not one I probably would've made if I'd been in her shoes), but she did it because she was happy with everything at college except her coach.

She also had HS friends who played D1 lax, coaches left , one after recruting but before freshman year and another partway through college. Never make a choice based on the coach alone. Like your school first and foremost.

I commend and respect your daughter. I have heard so many times parents speak of "the best deal" rather than the best school. Also, don't push for the best academic school if your child doesn't has the smarts. That is a real recipe for disaster.

My daughter had great grades/test scores. She was contacted by great schools with lousy lacrosse programs; she was contacted by so-so schools with great programs. You ultimately have to make the choice academically and what is best for your child five years from now. We are all passionate about lacrosse, but lets face it, it's a niche sport. As with most female sports the college years are the last hurrah.

Bottom line is if your kid is lazy and dumber than dirt, none of this matters, because she won’t be accepted to any decent college. If by some chance she is, there is a 99% chance she won’t make it through the first semester because she won’t be able to keep up with the academic portion of the deal or handle the work load that is involved.

Look at the East Coast D1 colleges ranked from #90-#100 and cross reference with college board for the costs and SAT requirements.

Wagner $53,000 entry level SAT 1050
LI Brooklyn $50,000 SAT 770 (this one is totally unbelievable)
Saint Francis $43,000 SAT 910
Deleware State $30,000 SAT 820

That's some pretty big money for some pretty weak academics but it is D1

Look at the East Coast D1 colleges ranked from #90-#100 and cross reference with college board for the costs and SAT requirements.

Wagner $53,000 entry level SAT 1050
LI Brooklyn $50,000 SAT 770 (this one is totally unbelievable)
Saint Francis $43,000 SAT 910
Deleware State $30,000 SAT 820

That's some pretty big money for some pretty weak academics but it is D1

The school that recruited my daughter (top 20 lacrosse school last year) wanted 2100 minimum which might be on the other end of crazy, but she got them.