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Long island Legacy. Girls and Boys teams. Is this a good organization?

How does it compare to the Rebels Lacrosse?

Check out their social media and compare their college commits. After all, that's the whole point.

it is? I thought the whole point of youth lacrosse was to give your child the skills to grow into a player, learn the game so when they get to HS they have the skills to compete at a high level if they so choose. I had no idea club was all about recruiting especially on LI were it is a hotbed for lacrosse players. HS coaches don't help with recruiting?

Both my son and daughter played for Legacy, couldn’t be happier.

Highly recommend that you start with the best, most successful club that you can, since there is a very good chance that opportunity won’t be available later on. You can always trade down, but difficult to trade up. Good teams are extremely difficult to make once their core is established. If the process goes well, and your son/daughter does very well, the club can make a very big difference in the recruiting process, in a variety of ways. While some uninformed parents on here may disagree, this fact can be a game changer during recruiting (it was for my son). The best/most successful club organization in boys is Team 91. Can’t go wrong with an Express either. In girls, it’s Yellow Jackets.

If your child is an average player then yes it will difficult for them to break into the core of a top team, if they are outstanding they will have their choice of club team to play on. We live on LI if you for one second believe the only way to break into a college opportunity is by looking at a program thats says its only mission is to get you child recruited you are making huge mistake. Of course the top couple of programs will jawbone how great they are at getting kids offers but that also depends on where your child falls in the pecking order. To say that your child has a better chance at getting recruited if they play for a club team vs playing at a top tier HS on LI is far from the truth. Certain clubs have certain relationships with colleges that can help. But it's ultimately up to the athlete to promote themselves they need to be an active participant in the process. Dont for one second think the club route is the only way.. it doesn't hurt but it isn't the only answer. The politics of the club you play on will have an impact on the process. I am sure there are plenty of examples where it helped and plenty of examples where it didn't . College coaches get paid to win they will find your child regardless of club or hs if they believe he or she will be a difference maker. That is a college coaches job find the needle in the ha stack. Dont take one example as the Bible. There is more than one way to skin cat.

The best players play on the best teams which is usually for the best clubs.....more often than not college coaches want top players who know how to play with other top players, not a top player surrounded by below average players players

All clubs are big time businesses. Find the one where your kid can compete and play. Also, the coaching staff is the most important determining factor. Over the years I have heard complaints about every club around. Some are too expensive, roster size, travel, communication and on and on. Find a team that works for your family and meets his needs. Sitting on a sideline on a top team does no good. Being the best on a crummy team wont help either. It needs to be a good fit. Many clubs carry 28 plus on some teams and that is just for profit. Also look at the location of practices/training and how far they travel during the season. Top athletes will get recruited no matter what club uniform they wear. Good luck and focus on the needs of your family and nothing else.

Are you just starting your search? What years are you looking at. As someone who was at 2 different clubs, each club has a year or 2 that are far superior to other clubs. Likewise, that same club will have a year that doesn't hold up to the other clubs.

As far as your original question, Legacy vs Rebels, Legacy is more established and has been around longer. As far as size, I think Rebels may be bigger at this point with multiple years having multiple teams. Again, it will depend on what year you're looking at. I'm guessing you have a son, as you mentioned Rebels and they don't have a female program as of yet.

What are you looking for in a club?

Your last comment is exactly the myth that has to be exposed. You are 100% wrong. Lacrosse is a microcosm of life. Opportunities in life and lacrosse are absolutely NOT the same for everyone. The person that graduates from Harvard will get far more opportunities than the person that graduated from Farmingdale State. The Harvard grad is in an entirely different league, when it comes to opportunities. Same for lacrosse. You go to the Farmingdale State of club lacrosse, you will not get the same opportunities that a kid that plays in either 91 or Express will get. You will get lost in mediocrity and may never get seen be top college recruiters. Same kid goes through 91, and opportunities will abound, measured in the quality of the school, lacrosse program and scholarship dollars. I’ve seen it first hand. Your kid that doesn’t play for 91/Express may get recruited, but it won’t be by the schools that could have recruited him. And he may get a 10% scholarship, but it could have been 75%, 85% or maybe even a full ride. Yes, they are out there, and not just reserved for people called ONeil and Spallina. Do not believe the cliche, if your son is good, he will be found. He may or may not be found. But he most definitely won’t get the demand that he would have gotten, had he been on a top team. The best opportunity is all about exposure and being associated with the best brands. Demand follows that. With demand comes incredible offers. It’s a game. You need to know how to play. Don’t make the mistake of your life, since your kids future literally might be hanging in the balance. Be smart.

Fair to a point but by your standards u are dismissing the HS which the athlete will play at. Does that count for nothing? neither one of us knows what HS this individual will attend so to say your way is the only way is a total misleading statement. I've had the conversation's with multiple high level D1 coaches ..power programs they all were consilient in saying the same thing the badge of the club doesn't matter playing time does which creates the opportunity to be seen. Stop drinking the cool aid, what matters is the athlete , D1 recruiters know who the athlete is they need and want don't kid yourself and think 91 or express is the only path..your HS counts, your drive to be recruited counts. No not everyone will be a D1 player or get money but there is more than one path.. but if you believe that is the case good luck on your one way street! Play for an org that coaches the kids the game not that coaches for bragging rights..time on the field matters do get caught up with the badge ..make it a fit for your family let the player love the sport and he'll probably play it for life and be rewarded for it. Can name numerous kids who went the route of the big badge, bragged about it and got to college and gave the sport up..

These threads are always laughable to me besides the fact the return on investment is ridiculously bad. ( look up the numbers) if getting recruiter is vitally important to many if you. You will have to take my word for it but i used to work in a huge D1 sports program with football boys baseball, wrestling, womensxtennis, track/ field just name a handful....but connected to lax colleagues.. much doesn't change sport to sport I will assure you when it comes to lacrosse if your son is not a tremendous athlete or physical specimen they will get overlooked regardless program high school etc. . Also if they are in the top percentage in speed athleticism, havectgem look into basketball or football because there is only peanuts offered to lax vs the money you spent to get there. Also beingvq d1 athlete and even d2 d3 is a tremendous commitment balancing academics etc tgat your kid may not want

Even if you overlook it because of your ego or just bank on the life/ college experience etc, you better reread my first point. Guys with great shots and stick skills are a dime a dozen. Depending on position If they are either not physically dominant in size or off the cgarts withvspeed or athleticism they will het passed by. Most of this banter for lax is a waste of time. But have at it if you choose . Play football basketball

So 91 and Express are Harvard and the rest are Farmingdale State? The truth is if your kid is capable of playing at the top level they will be seen and recruited. The full rides or 85 % are very few and far between bc Lax only gets a little over 11 scholarships for the whole team. Most money will come from merit based academics if they get anything close to a full ride. Evey year across LI kids go to schools at all levels from all clubs. 91 and Express tend to have more commits bc they are the better clubs for the most part. Your comments are clueless and baseless. Legacy has kids each year attend top programs. also, S2S, Rebels, Igloo and all the others do as well.

I agree with you. 91 and express have most commits. They also have t some of the best players and the most players. How many kids from those programs do not get recruited. A lot. Every year they have multiple teams with over 30 kids on them. 2023 year had 3 teams. Almost 90 kids between them Playing for those teams does not help if you are not seen.

Rebels are the present and future. 91 and legacy are on way down. Express always will be Relevant.

thanks Kreskin!

Who is Kreskin? lol

All making boatloads of $$$. Do the math of low end $3000 per kid and high end $4500 per kid. I will let you figure out which teams are on both ends. I have 3 boys and all have played for 1 or 2 clubs throughout their time. Scholarships in lacrosse are available but the full ride dream are few and very far between. Below is the total number of scholarships available to a fully funder NCAA athletic team. Many D 1 lacrosse schools are not fully funded which means they have less:

Lacrosse- 12.6 Scholarships (for entire team)
Baseball - 11.7 (entire team)
Basketball- 13
Football- 85

Lacrosse and other non revenue generating sports try to combine academic scholarship money with a percentage of athletic money. If it is a scholarship and you dont have to pay it back who cares what they call it. Top tier academic schools do not give academic money out unless you are an extraordinary student and above their average accepted student. Ivy league schools do not give athletic scholarships but each family should weigh the return on investment they will get for that degree. However, Lacrosse can open the door and help your son or daughter get accepted to a school that they might not get into as a general applicant. The top 25 in mens and womens lacrosse is littered with the best colleges and universities in the world. So either lacrosse players are the smartest athletes out there or they are allowing these players to get into these schools partially due to their athletic ability.

Thanks for info. This is eye opening. Lax is definitely not football or hoops. Those are the $$$$ makers for the schools.

The scholarship numbers are better than they sound. 12 scholarships per team equate to 3 per grade. With 75 D1 teams that equates to 225 total scholarships per grade, if all teams gave full rides. Obviously they don’t do that, but typically they give 2 80% deals. So on average there are 150 80% athletic scholarships per grade.

Top schools don’t typically give academic money, but some give NIL money which basically pays the balance. Some give academic incentive money, where the kids that earn a 3.0 or better each year, that kicks in more money.

My point is, there are more full rides out there than most people realize. Obviously the kid has to be very good, but he doesn’t have to be a 5 star. Unranked 4 stars get these deals too.

These deals mostly go to skill positions. Attack, fogo, goalie. In general, poles get a very small piece of the pie, although there are always exceptions to this.

In regards to elite schools, a large % of the commits don’t get any money at all, since often time the families have the means and are only concerned about their kid going to an elite school so they are happy to pay. More good news for you.

Another thing to remember, if a scholarship is the goal, middle of the pack schools aren’t going to get any 5 Star or top 4 star quality recruits. So your kid could get a full ride from a school like that, and maybe 20% from a top 20 school. Something to think about.

HS is meaningless unless the team gets to the playoffs. The deeper they go the more visibility they get which is big. However, most teams don’t make big runs deep into the playoffs. Those teams are 100% irrelevant. When it comes to recruiting. Unless your HS Coach has a good relationship with a college coach. Most recruiting is done during the summer, which is club ball (and showcases). Club is how kids get recruited, not HS… unless your kid goes to St A’s, Chaminade or GC.

My ROI was extremely good. I figure that I paid 50k over 10 years for club lacrosse. That’s a lot of money, no doubt. But my son will be getting an 80k per year education, from a tier 1 school, for next to nothing. Had he not been on a top club team, that simply would not have happened. So you can listen to people on here who day “college coaches will find him”. Fist, they probably won’t. And if you are lucky and some coach sees him, the demand for him will be very low, since so few coaches know he exists. Demand = scholarship money. Low demand = low or no scholarship money. Not to mention what a tire 1 school will do for your kid after graduation. Good luck.

You have zero knowledge of the subject matter. In lacrosse, size is not the determining factor. There are at least 10 kids on every D1 roster that are 5’9” or less. And these kids “play”. And there are a lot of 5’7” kids too. Ever hear of Chris Gray. Joey Stankey? Mikey Powell? Some pretty good players right??There are far too many to list. Lacrosse is a sport where undersized players can excel if the have the skills, and IQ. Speed not that important. Even quickness not necessarily that important. Ever hear of Matt Rambo? John Grant Junior? Stop posting your [Censored] and find a job!

What 80 K a year school give Athletic money. Answer is not much. Academic money maybe, but for 80 k a year schools it’s very little. Only a very full kids get free rides. Your post is very inaccurate. Kid will make there own careers by hard work. Yes Alumni can help, but if your kid is a entitled it will not happen.

Yes 225 scholarships per grade level. That compares to the number of full rides from 3 football programs. Lax is growing across the country and it’s not just LI and Maryland hotbeds anymore. And if your kid is a student top tier kid the best schools will recruit him. You do not need to drink the coolaid and be w 91, Express, Legacy or Rebels. You can play wherever works for ur family.

You have a lot to learn my friend. You want to put your kid in the best possible position, you get him associated with a top club brand. Same as sending your kid to a prep school vs going to a no name HS. People spend 70k per year to send their kids to a Culver, a Deerfield, etc etc. LI kids go to St A’s or Chaminade to be on best possible team in order to optimize their opportunities for recruiting. And you’re telling me it’s ok to be on some no name club and that a good situation? Dude. It’s common sense. Pure and simple. You want to maximize opportunities, go with the best brands in the business. The best team out there. More often than not, thats Team 91. Fact. Not arguable. Express is a very strong brand too. In life, everything matters, and when it comes to college recruiting, brands matter big time! If what college your child goes to doesn’t matter to you or you are sure that your son doesn’t have what it takes to be a top player, then take my friends advice. Sign your kid up for some subpar budget brand club. But if you have reason to believe that your son could possibly be a top 200 player in the country for his grade, then do what’s best for him. No need for a 70k per year prep school. Simply sign him up with the best club brand you can get him on for 4K per year.

Your statement is not entirely fact, its more sheep talk if you ask me. If your kid is good he will get noticed no matter where he plays as long as it's a winning club. The problem herein lies when your kid is really good and has to carry a team that isn't. If your kid is really good and plays on a "top" club historically and doesn't get a chance to crack the rotation do they really get noticed by recruiters? The answer is no.

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Agreed. The gentleman above is a 91 parent/coach or employee. Every club that plays at a high level has D 1 recruits on it. That includes 91,Express (most), Igloo, Legacy, Rebels, S2S, Turtles and so on. Every one of these clubs have had D 1 players. So if you are good enough they will find you. Stop with the 91 and Exprss nonsense. They are both very good clubs and the right fit for many. They are not the only option if you want your kid to have a chance at playing in college.

Wow. Thanks 91 employee. You are full blown delusional. Let your kids play to learn and become competitive, good teammates, and possibly open a door to a school they may not get in on their own academic merit. Oh and I forgot they should play to have fun! Its a childs game with no real pro future. 95 % of all PLL players have a career outside of Lax. The scholarship numbers speak for themselves. The Lacrosse Full ride is very rare. Recruiting is done in many different ways and playing on the top club team is not the only way.

Yes 225 scholarships per grade level. That compares to the number of full rides from 3 football programs. Lax is growing across the country and it’s not just LI and Maryland hotbeds anymore. And if your kid is a student top tier kid the best schools will recruit him. You do not need to drink the coolaid and be w 91, Express, Legacy or Rebels. You can play wherever works for ur family.[/quote]

You have a lot to learn my friend. You want to put your kid in the best possible position, you get him associated with a top club brand. Same as sending your kid to a prep school vs going to a no name HS. People spend 70k per year to send their kids to a Culver, a Deerfield, etc etc. LI kids go to St A’s or Chaminade to be on best possible team in order to optimize their opportunities for recruiting. And you’re telling me it’s ok to be on some no name club and that a good situation? Dude. It’s common sense. Pure and simple. You want to maximize opportunities, go with the best brands in the business. The best team out there. More often than not, thats Team 91. Fact. Not arguable. Express is a very strong brand too. In life, everything matters, and when it comes to college recruiting, brands matter big time! If what college your child goes to doesn’t matter to you or you are sure that your son doesn’t have what it takes to be a top player, then take my friends advice. Sign your kid up for some subpar budget brand club. But if you have reason to believe that your son could possibly be a top 200 player in the country for his grade, then do what’s best for him. No need for a 70k per year prep school. Simply sign him up with the best club brand you can get him on for 4K per year.[/quote]

Wow. Thanks 91 employee. You are full blown delusional. Let your kids play to learn and become competitive, good teammates, and possibly open a door to a school they may not get in on their own academic merit. Oh and I forgot they should play to have fun! It's a childs game with no real pro future. 95 % of all PLL players have a career outside of Lax. The scholarship numbers speak for themselves. The Lacrosse Full ride is very rare. Recruiting is done in many different ways and playing on the top club team is not the only way.[/quote]

The problem is everyone has been brainwashed by the "top programs" to keep up with the Jones's only a select few top 5-10 in those programs get the full attention of the coaches , everyone else on the roster is an after thought. Stop the madness you will be found if you have the talent, How is it you look at the top college rosters and u see kids from more and more states that we didn't even know played lax. And you could easily argue those kids from those states are not playing against top competition year round like we can argue easily about the hot bed locations historically. So everyone needs to open their eyes , play where u get time play where it makes sense. Dont play just for the badge or to keep up w/ the Jones's. The top kids in the country are known by everyone, the rest just need to be discovered. They will find you if you give yourself a chance to be seen.

Yes 225 scholarships per grade level. That compares to the number of full rides from 3 football programs. Lax is growing across the country and it’s not just LI and Maryland hotbeds anymore. And if your kid is a student top tier kid the best schools will recruit him. You do not need to drink the coolaid and be w 91, Express, Legacy or Rebels. You can play wherever works for ur family.[/quote]

You have a lot to learn my friend. You want to put your kid in the best possible position, you get him associated with a top club brand. Same as sending your kid to a prep school vs going to a no name HS. People spend 70k per year to send their kids to a Culver, a Deerfield, etc etc. LI kids go to St A’s or Chaminade to be on best possible team in order to optimize their opportunities for recruiting. And you’re telling me it’s ok to be on some no name club and that a good situation? Dude. It’s common sense. Pure and simple. You want to maximize opportunities, go with the best brands in the business. The best team out there. More often than not, thats Team 91. Fact. Not arguable. Express is a very strong brand too. In life, everything matters, and when it comes to college recruiting, brands matter big time! If what college your child goes to doesn’t matter to you or you are sure that your son doesn’t have what it takes to be a top player, then take my friends advice. Sign your kid up for some subpar budget brand club. But if you have reason to believe that your son could possibly be a top 200 player in the country for his grade, then do what’s best for him. No need for a 70k per year prep school. Simply sign him up with the best club brand you can get him on for 4K per year.[/quote]

Wow. Thanks 91 employee. You are full blown delusional. Let your kids play to learn and become competitive, good teammates, and possibly open a door to a school they may not get in on their own academic merit. Oh and I forgot they should play to have fun! Its a childs game with no real pro future. 95 % of all PLL players have a career outside of Lax. The scholarship numbers speak for themselves. The Lacrosse Full ride is very rare. Recruiting is done in many different ways and playing on the top club team is not the only way.[/quote]

Not the only way to go, but if you think you may have a very good athlete on your hands and you want to give him the most possible options, to include an elite level education, and the post-lacrosse opportunities that go along with that, it is the SMARTEST way to go. I speak from 100% experience.

Went through the 10 year process. Son on top team. Got unpartalled exposure as a result. Just being on the top team put him on every top D1 college coaches A list. Recruited by over 40 D1 programs. Multiple full ride offers.

You be the judge. Listen to my friend advice, who’s kid went to Suffolk CC or take my advice who’s kid is going to a top 10 school in the nation, with a premier D1 program, at basically no cost.

Hint: don’t listen to the troll.

So you are saying in your nonsensical paragraph size soeed quickness and athleticism not important??? As long as you have a stick and iq only?. Seriously? Most of those players you are selling short

I have seen it all. You think Legacy is a "Harvard "? ... stop day drinking

A young man from Legacy's 2022 class is a freshman at Harvard. I guess Legacy Lacrosse players are allowed there. For shame!

Don't believe the brand hype the clubs are pushing out. It's fear tactics. Clubs have been substantially less important since the recruiting rules where changed. The clubs just don't want you to know, so they try and scare you.

Go to college camps. If the coach likes you, they'll reach out to your club, even if it the Disbanded Ducks, East Coast Asleep or anything else.

A parent told me this three years ago, and it worked out well for them. Now, its working awesome for me and mine. Or, keep being scared sheep. Its your money. But if you're throwing it away anyway, a charity would be best instead of another boat for the club directors.

I agree, find your fit! My son's fit was at one of these "big time" clubs. We tried a couple other, but 91 was the best fit for what we wanted as a family. That is the most important part. There is value in all of these clubs for someone, that's why they exist. You just need to find what your child will thrive in and have the ability to become the best version of themselves.

I agree, find the club that fits your child and family. My son started with a lower tier club. My son put in the work at practices, backyard, etc. you use all what the club has to offer and eventually your child with out grow the club, and like my son who was invited to some practices for evaluation. After 3 practices he was asked to join the and now plays for team91. Play in a PAL league as well, more time on the field will help with their growth of playing the game.

PAL can be very good if you have a good coach, which I would say is about 50% of LI teams. If you have a bad coach, it can be tricky. Yes, you get more field time, but often you are taught incorrect fundamentals which can set you back.

This is sound advice.Frequency and strength of coaching is all that matters at the start. It helps when there is team buyin. Enjoy these years and make sure you kid has fun.

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When your Child is in 10th grade start going to college camps so the college coaches can see your child if they have interest they will look at their sports recruits site for video of how they play their position. If they like what they see they will reach out when they are allowed to contact your child. There is a college for everyone who plays it depends on their skill level and how much they want to play in college top D1 programs you may not see the field until junior or senior year unless they are exceptional or a two year holdback