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Very young, no true FO hurts them. And i don't think all the coaches are on the same page.[/

How does a once proud program, that is competitive year in, year out become a 7 lose team and it could easily be 8 or 9 loses. What really went wrong?

Just a guess... the other teams have more talent...

Not familiar with the situation. Did they have a lot of injuries? Any players get suspended? Covid related issues?

If not, maybe they just don’t have the same amount of talent that they have had in the past.

Bay Shore still had the loss to Huntington. If if if

I remember watching the Suffolk C Championship in 2019 between Mt. Sinai and SWR. The Mt. Sinai freshman attackman was locked down the whole game but managed to get an assist. I was watching because of all the hubbub about the kid and wanted to see for myself.

As it turns out, I did see for myself. Newsday had him for 4 assists. I had him at one. The books are cooked and I've seen it with my own eyes.

Anyone have any predications for the Suffolk Playoffs?

A is up for grabs but I think Northport comes out on top....Strong D, Strong FOGO and Strong Goalie
B Is Wogue all the way
C I don't see how Mt Sinai loses again
D is Port Jeff.

Anyone else?

How does a once proud program, that is competitive year in, year out become a 7 lose team and it could easily be 8 or 9 loses. What really went wrong?

Its very simple they lose 95% of the faceoffs, they play D most of the game. They dont get a lot of touches on Offense. They lost one starter this year mid season otherwise they are full strength. They lost four games by 1 goal, are they the powerhouse of the past no but all you dads running your mouths about how great your team is the 1 and 2 seed beat them by 1 goal. Lets see what happens in the playoffs.

What he said! The top programs usually come to play in the playoffs even if the lost a few during the year.

I'd rather be Farmingdale and have a chance for revenge against the Hype Machine (Port) than be Blonde Ambition (Syosset) and have to play Pequa in the semifinals. Just sayin'

5 games were lost by 1 goal. Blame it on lack of experience or coaching or both. Not having a fogo hurts too. Offense is lacking and shooting poor. Same couple of kids are only ones that dodge so predictable. Offense doesn’t push and settles the ball so no easy goals. On defense not bad but kids get beat and yet play. Team defense was good but getting more exposed game after game and slides have been late or nonexistent. Overall team very young and will be competitive next yr but there definitely is some favoring of sophs at all positions that not saying shouldn’t be playing but maybe not playing as much. With the close losses maybe they can turn it around for playoffs but who knows.

Sounds like a very disgruntled parent whose kid doesn't see the field - sour grapes.

Didn’t sound that way to me. Sounds pretty objective.

I'll say:

A: Ward Melville
B: West Islip
C: SWR
D: PJ

Who's taking the title for Suffolk D1?

Once you realize and accept team makeup is not determined by which kids are the best players, but rather many other outside influences you will come to understand "who" and why that "who" is on the field at any given time. That said I agree with your statement.

Every time time there is some constructive criticism, it's because their kid is not playing. Maybe you can't face the fact that what he stated is all true.

Not specific to Massapequa, but the situation of having HS coaches also being coaches/directors/owners of club teams is a big problem. People claim favoritism with TB, S2S, Igloo, LIE and probably others. On the other hand, is it fair to tell coaches who do not make a lot of money coaching that they can't supplement their income through club teams? What if the rule becomes HS coaches can continue to coach, own, etc. club teams but they can't have kids who they will coach in HS in their clubs? This will prevent the favoritism issues (which are real) and allow coaches to supplement their incomes. And we all know there are plenty of club options for the kids.

It always seems to be an issue. It is a conflict of interest. Nothing will ever be done about it.

unless you're top 10% of your position there is really not plenty of club options for a 23, 24 or 25.... tough to make a team that has been playing together for 5 years or more.

Grandfather in those kids. Start with younger kids. Rule is if HS coach is a club coach/owner, the club can't take kids from that HS. Problem solved.

If this is really about club owners hiring good HS coaches for coaching (rather than to pull kids from their towns who feel pressure to join the club of their HS coach so they see the field in HS), this solution should work. And if this is really about HS coaches being about to coach and supplement their incomes (rather than getting hired because the owners want them so they can pull kids from their towns who feel pressure to join), this should work. Of course it will never happen tho. Lol.

The club owners, who also coach are making out very well for themselves. It's embarrassing watching, after a game parents kiss up to another adult (coach) whose kid plays on the coaches club team.

Any scores from today?

Pequa coach is following the catholic school business model. Just on a smaller level. Director of a club that Massapequa kids are expected to play for.

1) it is "why your kid", 2) they are very good teams I agree but not High School. 3) you cannot have 19 year olds on your team and still call yourself a High school. That is a prep-school tourney and yes are very good.

such an unbelievably wrong statement

Not One Public school could compete? Manhasset ?

From your point of view. You are the poison on the team. Not the coaches or the players. You. Bottom line is best players play. No one leaves stars on the bench to play less talented players. Its sports. Sometimes its not perfect but the coaches and kids give great effort. To lose five games by 1 you have to be fighting as a team. That is real team sports. Not criticizing every aspect of their game. Get a life.

The Junior and Seniors on Pequa that start all deserve to start. The Sophomores that start all deserve to start not really sure where all this other nonsense is coming from.

What is the date of the LI Championship and what field?

nassau playoffs
A / D on Tues
B/C on wednesday

Anytime that there is a conflict of interest, there will be people who question who plays. It's not just Massapequa and lacrosse. Any Sport, any town that has a coach with a family's member on the team, people will question when they play their kid or their kids friends. Any coach who is a director and coach of a travel team that has players paying to play on the travel team will question the travel kids play time. If the kids deserve to play or not, they will always question it.

Comsewogue beat SWR, is currently ranked 19th in the nation and is in the "B" division. But you knew that of course...

Well maybe the same kids dodging all the time are the kids that coaches believe have a good chance to beat there guy? And if your being honest coaches kid is getting better every game IMO.

Also take into consideration that with the 2019 State Championship roster and no season last year more than likely this years lineup never played a second at the varsity level. Give them time.

Anytime that there is a conflict of interest, there will be people who question who plays. It's not just Massapequa and lacrosse. Any Sport, any town that has a coach with a family's member on the team, people will question when they play their kid or their kids friends. Any coach who is a director and coach of a travel team that has players paying to play on the travel team will question the travel kids play time. If the kids deserve to play or not, they will always question it.

I agree with the above statement. Just a heads up people that detest Pequa the coaches son gets some playing time, some not a whole lot so not really sure why they continue to get bashed. The two Sophomores that start a Middie deserve to start so again not really seeing the favoritism.

That can be said about 90% of all teams this year. On an excuse. Hicksville should have made the playoffs over Pequa.

The team is struggling but don't worry they coaches kid is getting better. Mission accomplished.

Not with the schedule Hicksville played. Plainview is probably strongest team Hicksville played....and lost

Anyone know when the announce the County and Conference awards?

Hicksville did make the playoffs. Big game Saturday against Malvern/east Rockaway.