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Same here SSHS parent, stayed to the very end, did not see any of this behavior, both teams played a hard fought game.

A lot of credit to WM for yesterday's win. It was 5-3 at the half when they came out and turned it on. That and also twice as many shot as Northport an winning 25 of 28 faceoffs usually get's it done.

I agree it is far from 100% the coaches but past history tells you that something is not working. There has been some tremendous talent come thru the program over the years and they are always in the playoffs and in at least the semi's and always the quarters on most occasions. They have not won the counties since 2001. Are you saying there has not been enough talent in the past 16 years? I would agree in some years but like another poster said, there is no game plan, no halftime adjustments...trust me I know from experience

Again it is not all coaching but I would think after many empty years with high expectations and poor results it might be time to move in another direction.

IMHO, this is a coaching issue. If you have that many kids, and family with egos it is up to the coach to keep them in check. It is also on the coach to make sure the upperclassmen, especially the captains, get the incoming varsity kids up to speed, and lay out a regiment for the captains to implement during the off season. If none of this is implemented by the captains it is on the coach to demote the kid, no matter how talented, and if still no change then outright bench them, what the [lacrosse] you're losing anyway, you might as well have some moral compass along the way. This also goes for the families of players, if parents or siblings are out of control then send a message to them by benching the player and let it be known why. Coaches need to grow a backbone and regain control of there programs. This coach needs to go, NO I DO NOT HAVE A KID ON THE TEAM, I don't even have a son. This is about coaching not gender or bias

Quality of coaching Has the greatest influence on a HS program's success.

This is the reason that Wantagh can't win. From the posts above there are some real issues with the 2017 & 2018 grades. Specifically with the Captains of the team. This more of a parent issue then a coach issue. Good luck.

Wantagh coach has stayed way longer than he should have. Time for him to get out of the way.

Your main kid and captain a lot more goals then assist.

Bring the screaming idiot back from Farmingdale

Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!

So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.

So if your kid doesn't play the coach sucks, if the team loses the coach sucks. Maybe your kid and the rest of the team are just not that good.

Are you sure?

Most coaches want to win, and play the kids who give best chance of achieving that objective. Maybe one or two cases (Manhasset last year), but generally coaches play the right kids. Unless you are at every practice and can see each kid play within the offense or defense you can't assess who the best kids are within the program framework. Just because a kid is a star at a recruiting event where individual play is the norm, doesn't mean the same kid is best fit for a given team's offense / defense.

100% sure. There are coaches that play players based on family ties, club ties, booster club ties over other players. It's sad but true. Also some coaches couldn't see talent if it smacked them in the face.

Maybe the coaches aren't wearing the same kind of rose colored glasses you use to assess your son's ability. Oh, and you can always have your kid transfer to SA or Chaminade, they are always looking for top notch talent.

My brother you are on point!

Maybe St Anthony's - Chaminade doesn't take transfers (or recruits athletic talent)

How do Varsity Public School players receive awards such as all county or all division? Is it pushed by their Coach? Thanks in advance for your information.

Yes it is initially pushed by HC.

The SJB D coach is a clown and has caused many issues in years past in travel lax in East Islip and at SJB. This guys should not be allowed to coach period. He is a typically father living through his son. Boy he must be disappointed.

head coach starts the process, but opposing coaches in the same conference vote too.

Or maybe it is you who has the family, club, and booster ties and "work it" so your kid keeps playing....

You're a cry baby.

1. Not true, no public schools have any player ever playing after their senior year. Not talking about an eighth grader playing varsity and than playing four more years for a total of five years. Talking about players playing HS level lacrosse after graduation.

2. This is true but again an eight grader repeating like this is really rare in the public schools.

3., 4. Once again public schools have far smaller geographic boundaries and public school coaches recruiting kids from other towns to move their families so Johnny can play lacrosse?? Never happens, as a matter of fact I can only think of one or two occasions this happened (Hicksville to Sachem a few years back).

5. Really?, I think you missed the point again. We are talking about an even playing field among the top teams. All conferences and divisions have weaker teams, no way to get around that. While I agree there should be a better system than what is in place for making sure lower level teams play fewer upper level teams, The point is when we are talking about the top teams there should be a separation between public and private. Not trying to take anything away from the privates and the PG schools i think they play great lacrosse and the teams should cross over and play each other, it makes for great lacrosse but when it comes to rankings it just unfair.

Great game between Smithtown East and Connetquot. One again C-quot coaching suspect. C-quot should be good next year, returning a lot of seniors but will depend on defense. They give up a lot of goals. East Vs. West should be great match up!

you are wrong. if you son was born in march, and entered kindergarden when he was 5, he will be 18 when he graduates. Unless he entered kindergarden when he was 4.

The committee has just had our weekly meeting and feel it is time again to make a ruling, so here goes.

An "on age" kid born Between Dec. 1st and June (what ever the date of the graduation is) will be 18 at the time of their graduation. A kid born between 9/1 and 11/30 can also be 18 at graduation and not be considered a hold back if they started kindergarten late.

If you are 19 or will turn 19 the summer after graduation you are a hold back.

The committee is not passing judgement just making an official ruling.

Point 2,

Wonder if any LI, West, CT or NJ teams have played a Jv or Varsity game in the same day same location and were stupid enough to have players play in both (and play not just suit up). i also believe there is a max amount of game you can play. That would be similar to the ridiculous ruling that hampered a basketball team a few years back (Freeport maybe).

Some of the funniest stuff I've read with regards to the SJB coach. Obviously disgruntled parents. Anyone who has paid attention knows he's the only one that coaches the team. The HC is checked out. The future is not bright because there are no players. I'd like to see Danowski play with no face off man, no lefty attackman, overmatched underclassmen on defense and juniors that are just not good. I have a big decision to make with my son who I'm glad played on JV. I thought the program was turning around but that's obviously not the case. I should have known when it took 2 weeks into the season to get a practice pinnie that there was something seriously wrong.

Have ur son transfer to SA and start again from 9th grade... Don't worry SA AD and Head Coach on board with this approach.

Looks like the D coach just chimed in. This program has been in decline for 3 years since you started coaching. anyone can see that. You are really sad. pretending to be a parent while defending your self. You couldn't coach your way out of a paper bag!

'Quot is done, will not be good next year because this Coach can not develop the talent he has. His team is stagnant because his abilities are stagnant and because he is dividing his time and attention between his team and his side business.

Varsity High School coaching jobs are not full time, THEY are the side business, not whatever he does for a living full time. Pay the man $100k and you'll get full time.

Where are we now Sayville Lacrosse? We've had two years to assess the removal of Coach Doller, is the program better or worse?

Ok. And let's move on just as Coach Doller has. The whole thing was wrong from the beginning. This had nothing to to do with "coaching" it had very little to do with parents or players. You would be hard pressed to find a handful of families to complain about Coach from his HS teams over the past 15+ years.

Last season the district took away varsity assistants across the board. The varsity assistant position was in the middle of a coaching change, well after the loss of the paid position the varsity coach could not find anyone. Coach Doller coached the varsity team by himself to the county championship. Nobody talks about that. He never said a word about it or complained, guess he just coached his a$$ off.
In January before the season started the AD told Coach D that there would be no JV assistant either. It was never mentioned before this nor is it listed in the districts budget cuts. The superintendent stood his ground while knowing that the had made a mistake or they never told him bc they DID NOT take the JV Football assistant away. Coach D let his parents know what the district had done, they went to the boe meeting with valid points and the JV assistant was reinstated. That evening behind closed doors coach D was fired for telling the parents to go to a boe meeting to fight for the lacrosse program. Not one of the BOE members is connected to lacrosse nor does any of their kids play? Its no secret that sayville is still a big football town, every member of the boe is connected to the football program and they have never supported the lacrosse program, it's a shame. At the end of the lax season Coach Doller was given a letter saying he would not be reinstated for the 2016 season. That's it. There was some backing by the quarterbacks dad bc he is very friendly with kohlar on the board. I think it was over the fact that he didn't receive all the awards he wanted at the end of the season?
Coach D worked with the Boe and superintendent all summer to try and resolve the situation. No dice

The boe is so small minded, short sighted and insecure. Why couldn't they admit their wrongs and work it out? Or point out ways Coach could improve his relationship with the boe? So who losses? Our kids and the sayville lacrosse program and I would guess Coach D, as I know he was not ready to hang it up.

I've watched and experience the lax program in our town grow and mature into something everyone involved could be proud of, It just got sent back 10 years. The BOE, superintendent and AD sold be ashamed.
Just saw a post on FB that Coach Doller will be an assistant at Farmingdale college. Congrats Coach, I wish you all the best.


That could have been written by the captain of the Lithuanian bobsled team. Virtually every thing that was written is wrong. I'm not even exaggerating. That entire novel contained nothing but lies and opinions. Absolutely incredible. Well, not every thing was a lie. Coach Doller WAS the coach. That's true.

Not sure about the quaterback thing (just don't have any info there, but everything else is spot on) but every other word of the original statement is true. What wasn't mentioned is that Superintendent hasn't been a fan of Coach D for years and has been waiting for a situation to burn him. He got his chance minutes after the board just took another beating from the public from the lax parents that night in February, (might I add another black eye brought on by the Superintendent upon which he has made the board look stupid and weak several times in the last two years). The board was angry and Super immediately put coach d's firing to a vote immediately after this meeting. It was approved at this meeting. So this all was done in the same night of that meeting. The BOE has had so many black eyes and looked so flip-floppy weak they couldn't back down on this one, to the detriment of our kids. Time for Super to go. #FWS

The only embarrassment here is the Super. The community has nothing to be ashamed of. Coach D. is well on his way to much more lucrative pastures in his new partnerships, and will be better off financially ten-fold to what he lost on a silly coaching salary. He will still have a positive impact on our community, and help out young lacrosse players. It will just be on his terms and will cost more to be a part of his program.

I hate this type of comment, do you get paid, then do your job. Your job at its best. You don't like the $$ then leave don't half [lacrosse] it. Sure you get what you pay for but do your job!

Again.....you let the landscaper run the board etc. As far as a football town......cmon Please....you play in Suffolk Div 3 level. If you had to play some real football you would get smoked.

2 - Run for the Hills if you want to do this in public, no?

5 - We are talking even playing field. Once the teams are established or you know what the teams will be for the next year - you can set the stage for competitive games, Public or Private, that is the point. This can be accomplished on LI if you wanted to. It starts with Li sections allow for 5 non league games (not just 2), mandate more than just the top 5 cant play teams 13 and below. This could also allow for a better playoff, less rematches and more build ups for Playoffs. Maybe Ward Melvile doesn't play Smithtown in the regular season, but plays (Darien CSh and Hill or Culver) and then run head-on into the Playoffs against Smithown. This could make lacrosse great again, it starts with the schedule. Help make all the games to be 5 goals games.

You should look at the context. The comment was made in response to a poster writing that the team isn't performing because the coach is dividing his time with a side business. The man has to make a living.

Ok let's be clear, he has his regular job that pays his salary and the HS coaching job that gets him extra and then he has his club lacrosse organization (job 3) to fully cash in. Maybe his HS kids should get a little more attention.

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