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Where is this schedule for the 2020s that was referred to earlier?

Don't know where you got these numbers from but they are wrong. I know this because I have our team's roster. you are spreading rumors about kids. Not sure what your motive is but you have bad information. My guess is that you are the same person calling it the holdback bracket which tells us it comes from jealousy that your team is not in the bracket as opposed to facts.

. Ok, so now tell us where you got your information and has it been verified by you or anyone else. No doubt Crabs would have the most, that's common knowledge but the others, are they just numbers or is it accurate info?

If you want to be added to the playoff , contact Howard County. If you are a legitimate AA you should be able to compete too. If nothing else, you get an organized play day.

Green eyed monster making up stuff again.

Hoco Top Club Divisions

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons
Madlax -Capital
Next Level
Team 91 Platinum

2021 Elite (top level)
Greene Turtle
Koopers
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
FCA
API Diamondbacks

2022 AA (top level)
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
Cannons
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Club Blue
Rough Riders
FCA

2023 AA (top level)
Rough Riders
Looney's
FCA
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Next Level
Club Blue

2024 AA (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
Madlax -Capital
FCA
Hawks
Bethesda
API Diamondbacks
Thunder


2025 A (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
API Diamondbacks
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Cannons
Next Level

If they played rec ball together wouldnt they be the same age?
2 of the 4 that came down from 2019 are true 2020s that played up. They both had summer birthdays [/quote]

Rec teams were every other year, u11, u13 etc...

Summer 01 should be 2019. So it looks like at least 6 holdbacks or pre first, or kids who still can't spell their name. Either way, they should be 2019.

FCA is accurate, if not, it's more.

Hoco Top Club Divisions

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons
Madlax -Capital
Next Level
Team 91 Platinum

2021 Elite (top level)
Greene Turtle
Koopers
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
FCA
API Diamondbacks

2022 AA (top level)
Team 91
API Diamondbacks
Cannons
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Club Blue
Rough Riders
FCA

2023 AA (top level)
Rough Riders
Looney's
FCA
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Crabs
Next Level
Club Blue

2024 AA (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
Madlax -Capital
FCA
Hawks
Bethesda
API Diamondbacks
Thunder


2025 A (top level)
Team 91
Looney's
API Diamondbacks
Madlax -Capital
Hawks
Bethesda
Cannons
Next Level

Great info thanks. What about the supposed 4 team "play in" bracket for 2020 elite? Is that happening?

Again, you have no idea and are just guessing from what you "piece" together which is clearly flawed. Remember these are kids you are talking about - you are behaving no better than the holdback parents when you just throw you own guesses out there - stop the nonsense.

Madlax 2020 and 2021 don't belong up there...long year for them this year

So the crabs are complete cheaters but your sons team just cheats a little. I see. You're an idiot.

This is incorrect - it should be:

2020 Elite: (top level)
Team 91 Force
Looney's
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
Rising Sons

The other three teams that were mentioned are in the group playing to get into the Holdback Division.

How did 91 Platinum leapfrog FCA White into the 2020 elite bracket?

Historically Hoco does some rebalancing after the 1st 2 or 3 weeks - moving clubs up or down a level if they are getting blown out or blowing other teams out.

Looking at the rosters Madlax 2020 has several VLC kids on there roster. So they could be improved? I do not know 2021

By your stupid response you are probably a Crab parent. It clearly is apparent you are just too stupid to see the point about player safety or are just too embarrassed to admit you are associated with Crabs. You just don't understand or can't grasp the connection that Crabs 2020 is very close to a 2019 team playing 2020 teams that, if you checked their rosters, would see they are much closer to 2020 than Crabs. If you don't feel that is unfair then I bet you cheated you way through life so far and feel proud of it. Discussing this with you is like discussing it with a dead tree. You are just way too dense.

The schedule is not out. Crabs 2020 is playing 3 scrimmages on 3/20 vs Rock, FCA and Freedom at BL.

What date is this play in tournament happening?

Probably by complaining the way they still do about their game against FCA White. Not by their record - the other AA teams just don't care enough to have to say "us too". So now the teams are left with a playoff but the teams involved are not necessarily the best AA-just the ones who want to be called elite too.

Crickets......I guess not much to say about that

You all are misinformed. You have no idea what's going on with hoco. This thread has been wrong the entire time. Get back to work.

What teams did FCA 2021 pull from?

Madlax 2021 may not be at the AA level of GT, Bethesda, Kooper's, Hawks and Crabs, but, having seen all these teams play, I think they belong in that division.

91 Plat beat FCA White twice when their teams were actual "A" teams.

FCA White beat 91 Plat with their hybrid Blue / Wite team.

Stop the cheating, own your 6 maybe more players who should be 2019. It's not a guess, it is fact.

There are probably 3, maybe 4 local teams that would have given crush a better game with on age players than Crabs did. Now those kids who played in that game aren't getting any playing time with the 15 year olds and almost 15 year olds playing down. Crabs should just own it and stop trying to hide it. Everyone in Fallston rec and their opponents knows how old the BL kid is and many other like the Gilman kid who reclassed just last year. If they are not 15 they will be in the next month or so. Way to play down boys!

Note that Crabs isn't playing Hawks even though Hawks are playing there too. RM doesn't want to play them again after barely beating them in OT in the NPYLL Championship last year. No surprise.

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

So in the last year, they went to OT with Hawks, 91 Force and Crush - all when they had their older players? They lost to edge and crush with on age teams? Sounds like only way they can stay relevant is with the holdbacks. Too bad for their on age kids. Same reason RM controls who enters his tourneys-he keeps those he might lose to out of the mix.

Teams above have no shot in beating crabs. Hawks 91 force. Crabs improved and those two have not.

Historically Hoco does some rebalancing after the 1st 2 or 3 weeks - moving clubs up or down a level if they are getting blown out or blowing other teams out

[quote=Anonymous]Teams above have no shot in beating crabs. Hawks 91 force. Crabs improved and those two have not. [/quote

Of course crabs improved-they took on even more older boys. Nobody cares if they win anymore and that is the part that crabs does not understand. Nobody cares about Crabs wins because the wins are accomplished by loading the team with holdbacks and everyone in the lacrosse world knows it. Crabs is being used now simply to prepare other teams' players for high school. Crabs has taken it too far which now puts them into the irrelevant category. You have created a win-win for the other teams in the bracket and you let all of use your team to teach our boys about character.

Name one 2020 VLC kid on the Madlax roster...or just initials. I don't see a single one on either website.

My son is on-age and plays on a AA team that is in the on-age AA bracket. My point is that cheating is cheating. You can't cheat just a little - if you cheat you cheat. You're the one trying to justify that your son is on a team in the Holdback division that only cheats a little.

I think that the holdback situation is unfair and unsafe across the board and I am happy that they took those teams and put them all in their own division. So you cheaters can all play each other. I think it's pretty funny that jack-hole's like you are now taking to complaining about which team cheats more....

So at what point is the number of holdbacks on a team over the top? If you have 3 it's ok but if you have 10 its not? What about 5, is that ok? Or maybe... 7 is ok but 10 is way too many. See the point? Either you have holdbacks or you don't.

If you still don't understand let me know and I'll draw a picture for you.

It's amazing that people like you just assume things and then has to lower the bar and start name calling. Guess that makes you feel better. I never said my son plays on a holdback team. In fact he is age appropriate and plays on an AA team with no holdbacks, just like your son. He is an A/strong B student and I would never consider allowing him to repeat a grade just for a sport. I also said there is NO magic number for holdbacks to be considered appropriate. I no longer coach youth lacrosse, I just don't have the time due to my job commitments and it would not be fair to the payers to do a "part time" coaching job. But I am well connected in the lacrosse community and know what is going on. What I am saying is that Crabs and their leader Ryan McClernan has created a cesspool in youth lacrosse with the holdback situation. I know parents of former Crabs players and they have told me that their son was on Crabs, was a starter and saw lots of playing time but were told that if they wanted to stay with the program their son would have to repeat, thus becoming a holdback. These kids are good students and there was no justified reason to repeat other than Ryan M wanting to have an older/bigger team than others. This is the way he needs to win. I also know holdbacks on other 2020 teams and quite a few were for academic reasons. These kids are not dumb, they just needed more structure and focus in academics, the public schoold system was not for them. I have no problem with this situation but...as this moves forward more and more clubs are going to start following the Crabs business model and getting more holdbacks. And again, a team with 2 or 3 holdbacks is at a definite disadvantage playing a team like Crabs, with 8+ holdbacks, a few double holdbacks (the pre K thing) and you have players on Crabs that are older 14, some turning 15 at the beginning of the season playing against 13 and young 14 year olds. This is a dangerous situation for other teams and my #1 concern, above everything else, is player safety and Crabs keeps creating a dangerous situation for everyone in their league. It is also unfortunate that Ryan McClernan, for whatever unknown reason, carries a lot of weight in youth lacrosse and more often than not gets his way. The team your son plays for could start the holdback thing, it's not beyond realm of possibility. Also your sons team could very well play a team with a higher number of holdbacks in summer tournaments, putting him and his teammates at risk. And no, you do not have to draw me a picture, I completely understand what is going on, obviously you do not. So stop being a d bag. You are the one looking like an idiot ny demonstrating you do not understand what is happening in youth lacrosse and grade base lacrosse.

You have to look at the updated rosters on the spring website. And you can tell which two. It is the two that have the same last name.

Have you ever heard of a paragraph? Try using them, it makes it easier to read your nonsense. You should also just chill out a little bit, you seem kind of worked up over this.

Plus at least one other MF on the TBD group. Do not blame anyone for want two or more practices a week plus playing in more that three tournaments in the summer.

Thanks....got it. That website is tough. Those are 2 really good players. Are they committed to Madlax already? They were VLC in the fall and Madlax is still doing tryouts. I'm just wondering what has been decided yet.

Tried using paragraphs, it just kept kicking back for some reason.

Sorry you feel this is nonsense, it really isn't, just working on ways to get this back to age base, the way it should be.

Not worked up about this at all, just the right thing needs to be done. Have some things in process, but it will take time.

I have been around youth lacrosse long enough to see what older teams can do to younger players physically and it's not pretty.

For whatever reason, paragraphs worked this time, didn't kick back. Maybe something wrong with my phone.

Then move down a conference...your son is inadequately sized and lacks talent