Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It absolutely is spin. Just like you are trying to spin it. The discussion had nothing to do with HS accolades until a spin doctor tried to change the discussion and bring it up.

Stony Brook poster took a shot at Florida saying they have had more talent then Stony Brook and they have done NADA. It was then pointed out that in actuality Stony Brook has had more All-American selections than Florida over the past four years and they have also done NADA.

It was pointed out that the fact is that based on their regular season success and recognition Stony Brook has been the most under achieving team in the country.

So, facts are pointed out and what do the SBU people do? They try to change the narrative and make it about "We do pretty good for a team of no names who were all overlooked by the perennial powers". Another lie by the way, as it was also pointed out that Stony Brook actually is one of the "perennial powers" considering they are one of a very select group of 10 -12 Teams that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

The fact is that the majority of the top players for Stony Brook had very good HS careers. Just about all of them were named Captain of their team (which says a lot about the player / person). I agree with you that most of the HS accolades are very watered down and meaningless.There are way too many and they are really not based on ability. It is almost an everybody gets a trophy situation. That said, being named one of the nine All-Americans from Nassau and eight from Suffolk is a nice recognition.

In any event, the discussion was about "actual talent" not HS accolades. and the reality is that Stony Brook has had a lot of talent. The players may not have all been UA All Americans or Top 20 recruits but they were far from no-names.

At the end of the day it is self serving spin.


Actually it is your spin. The original poster was saying that Florida coach is terrible in that she brings in a lot of talented players but the team underacheives every year .When someone points out that Spallina gets the most out of the talent he brings in the SBU parents get annoyed because they don’t think of their own kids and teammates as being players that were not highly regarded in high school . Fact is that it’s somewhere in between. Do the top players from LI , MD , etc want to go to SBU , no .Do many of those top players want to go to UNC, Maryland , yes. Is what it is but SBU does not get very highly regarded recruiting classes coming in year after year which is difficult to do as rarely do players from out of state want to go to SBU so the pool is limited .
Basing the perceived talent level of incoming players on high school accolades including being a captain is lacking , I know many of the current SB players and also know that most had little interest from other top 5-10 programs .


You are changing it again. Below are the posts that started the discussion, none made any mention of HS accolades:

Original post that started it: "Any insight to playday at Manhasset? Heard FL looked great . Other teams?"

Response: "FL always looks great until it matters - SB was the most impressive team there by far"

Response to above: "What is the saying? Something about glass houses?

Talk about looking great until it matters.... It is repeated over and over on this site how certain teams under achieve every year... the two programs that are attacked most often are probably Notre Dame and Florida (haters gonna hate). The reality is that for the past several years the most under achieving team "when it matters" has been Stony Brook.

Talk about a team that "always looks great until it matters" Take a look at their track record when it matters.... Abysmal.

Actual results are what actually matter... here are Stony Brook's

2014: 16 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: 15 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: 19 - 0 going into the tournament. Lost to Boston College in round of 8."


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Then here are then a few posts pointing out that Stony Brook has become a perennial power and has been in the company of the Top 10 - 12 programs for a number of years now.

Also, it was pointed out that SBU has actually had more All American Selections then Florida over the past four years.

Then and only then does the narrative change to: How many UA AA's , U19, Top 20 recruits?

Once the player hits the college level, all HS accolades are meaningless. In college it is about how you perform when you are there and the Stony Brook Players have obviously performed at a high level and have garnered slightly more All Americans than Florida. Stony Brook has had more talent.

Looking at last years Stony Brook Roster (only looked at the players who played in their final game) The majority were highly regarded coming out of HS. Several were named All-American and I am sure they were not overlooked. They might not have been top recruits for places like Florida, MD, UNC, ND, BC but I am sure they were the Top Recruits for Stony Brook.

Those players were good coming in.




Good god man. Make it stop. Here is what you need to hear...
SBU recruits the best players with the highest recruit pedigree in NCAA. It’s the Who’s who of recruiting classes.
Seems to be about the only thing that will appease this hang-up. Let move on...


No, don't need to hear that at all. Just stop the spin and it will all go away.