Use this thread to discuss the 2018 Women's DI, II & III College Lacrosse Season

Can anyone give me some assistance on finding a live stream anywhere for USC/SBU this Friday? Great game to start the season.

I assume you've check the home team's website. Live stats, audio and livestream are listed on the schedule for that game. You might have to pay, and if you do, watch out for the small print. I found myself paying for one college's livestream monthly coverage when I thought I signed up for only one game.

Yes, I checked the USC website. Only a "live stat" option is listed. I was hoping someone knew of another resource. Thanks for the heads-up about the streaming cost, though. I'll definitely look out for that.

Maybe ESPN 3? There were a lot of games covered this past weekend. We were able to watch on the computer.

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/media/tv-listings

Come Thursday or Friday (I forget which), Inside Lacrosse will have a page listing all games this weekend and if there is free streaming available, they will have a link to it. Lots of games are not free. IME, the private colleges generally offer free viewing of livestreams and the state schools offer only a pay option. YMMV

One that wasn't on there: Thurs, Feb 15th, Colorado at Northwestern, BTN Plus (pay) at 4:00 pm EST

Not sure if there are others missing...

Last week it was JMU and Towson upsetting two of the top programs..
Will there be any major upsets this week?
What team has the best chance?

I'll go Delaware over Penn.

Stony Brook with the nice Cali trip coming up. Tough one against USC and then cupcake against Stanford. Predictions: SB 12-10 over USC, 18-7 over Stanford

It would be nice. Is there a reason for your optimism? Penn should be pretty good this year.

I’ll go Lehigh over PSU. PSU struggles on the back end, Lehigh had 18 last week and these teams had a very close game in the fall for whatever that means and any if they start to trail, Lions may tighten up.

Great... I appreciate the info. Is that a weekly thing?

Stony Brook is obviously very good. It will be interesting to see if the tougher schedule will hurt or help them this year. I think in the past their weak schedule made their record look good and everyone took notice. In the end however (not last year) they went into the tournament with an over inflated confidence. Better to play tougher competition during the year even if you do not win every game. Their schedule was tougher last year but is was still favorable with home field advantage and plenty of rest before tough games. This year will be a little different but they are a better team. It would be really great if they can make it to the Final Four, the atmosphere at SBU for Championship weekend will be awesome.

Not really. Just that Delaware is a feisty team. Not predicting a win, just looking at big upset possibilities, thought that one looked as good as any.

Yes, will be fun to watch them lose on their own field!

Can't see it.

So I stated before games were played on the other thread that Penn St at #4 preseason was ranked too high. One guy got all up in arms ... Then they promptly go out and lose their opener. Funny. Where is "all up in arms guy" now??

Yes.

Agree with you. PSU had the easiest path to the final four by far, and got blown out in the eight team bracket. How do they then get #4 rank? Towson was probably ranked correctly and ranking should have been on par with PSU. Don’t see that as an upset at all, it was two teams on par and one norrowly beat the other. It was only considered an upset because PSU was over ranked to begin with.

It is really the end of season polls that matter. Cascade Media Poll has JMU ranked ahead of North Carolina. Actually, none of the polls really matter. Seeding is important and I do not think the committee cares about the polls.

Great to see some early season upsets. Will the trend continue or will the traditional powers be there at the end of the season?

Programs that have come on strong in recent years: Stony Brook, USC, Navy, Boston College

Programs that have fallen off a bit: Virginia, Notre Dame, Loyola, Hopkins

Is Division I Women's Lacrosse a zero-sum game? Is there enough talent out there for more teams to become competitive with the top programs?

Committee cares most about geography and minimizing travel costs.

The 3 second rule will have more of an impact than their schedule

Like watching a YJ summer game in Maryland with 10 times the amount of crazy parents acting like stunads

Very Funny but true. The whole roster is LI kids and their embarrassing parents

Little better than Maryland daddy’s wearing their sons smedium vineyard vines shirts penny loafers and salmon shorts biggest tools out there

Really big game tomorrow with 2 top 5 teams SC and SB. Should be a great game being played closer to SAn Diego. Think the cross country flight and this being their first game hurts SB. I predict USC 12-9 win

Agreed Notre Dame and UVA Have really dipped

Name the top schools for combination of academics and a realistic chance of playing in a final 4 in the next few years.

My list includes in order of most likely to make final 4 with great (top 20) academics:

Northwestern
Princeton
Penn
Duke?

Are those the 4 best academic schools with at least a chance of sniffing a final 4?

Last Updated - February 12, 2018
Inside Lacrosse Poll
RANK SCHOOL POINTS PREVIOUS RECORD
1 Maryland 397 (17) 1 1-0
2 Stony Brook 380 (3) 2 0-0
3 Florida 356 5 1-0
4 Boston College 327 6 1-0
5 Syracuse 291 7 1-0
6 USC 289 8 1-0
7 North Carolina 263 3 0-1
8 James Madison 258 17 1-0
9 Northwestern 244 9 2-0
10 Navy 205 10 1-0
11 Towson 201 20 1-0
12 Penn State 188 3 0-1
13 Princeton 161 11 0-0
14 Penn 141 12 0-0
15 Virginia 100 13 0-0
16 Notre Dame 90 15 0-1
17 Cornell 82 14 0-0
18 Duke 80 19 1-0
19 Colorado 68 16 1-1
20 UMass 43 18 0-0

My bad...posted Inside lacrosse poll in error. I usually post the coaches poll which has not been updated from last year so here's a look at how things ended last year...you know, for nostalgia.



1 Maryland (20) 400 23-0 1
2 Boston College 387 17-7 14
3 Penn State 334 17-4 6
4 Stony Brook 326 20-2 4
5 North Carolina 316 17-3 3
6 Navy (USNA) 313 18-5 NR
7 Princeton 275 15-4 5
8 Southern California 269 18-4 7
9 Florida 224 17-3 2
10 Syracuse 200 15-7 9
11 Cornell 172 13-6 12
12 Penn 166 13-4 8
13 Northwestern 148 11-10 11
14 Virginia 139 12-9 13
15 James Madison 128 14-7 16
16 Colorado 123 16-4 10
17 Massachusetts 88 17-4 RV
18 Notre Dame 79 11-8 15
19 Elon 35 13-7 20
20 Louisville 30 11-8 18

Are you talking to yourself then answering your own questions?

Navy made it last year. I do not know much about them other than they have a great coach and they have proven they can get to championship weekend.

Northwestern would be my top pic.

Toss up between Penn and Princeton.

Duke fell off a bit last year not sure how they will be this year.

Cant see Stanford, Hopkins, or Vanderbilt,

No Ivy other than Penn or Princeton.

Notre Dame and Georgetown are unlikely but maybe Notre Dame will surprise everyone you never know.

I will take SB even with the odds stacked in USC favor in terms of a long flight, and 10 pm eastern time start. I think will be low scoring affair but SB offense is considerably better than USC.

Agreed. I'd put Duke ahead of the Ivies though. Down year last year, but over next few years could have a shot. Always recruit pretty well. ND looks mediocre now but maybe in a few years. Doubt it. Stanford will be lucky to be in top 25, never mind final 4. Same with Georgetown.

Yes, those are the top 20 academic schools with the best chance to make the Final Four. But I think all of the schools that have a legitimate shot are pretty darn good academic schools as well.

USC, North Carolina, BC, Florida, Penn State, Maryland, Syracuse.

Stony Brook has improved both academics and athletics in recent years. That is the beauty of this sport. There are so many excellent schools providing opportunities for our daughters.

How about we talk about schools outside the top 20, you know where 95% of our girls actually play?

Okay. What programs are on the rise? What programs have the best chance to constantly be a Top 20 program? What programs are trending down?

Look for Gardner Webb to jump up this year

They were 0-18 last year.

The Runnin Bulldogs are for real this year.

They couldn't beat a HS team but even as the worst team in college its still division 1 with scholarship money!

Proof positive that there is no shortage of A$@ H@&$€ on this site. Some of you freaks attack everything that is posted. Not only do you morons attack the best players, programs and schools out of jealousy and hate. You also attack and poke fun at any player , program or school that you believe is somehow below your daughter, her school or her program. What a bunch of sick lunatics you are. It must be very difficult for some of you to make it through the day.

Pulling for SB but smart move by SC making this a night game. Yes think SC playing already is big advantage. Battle of two top 5 teams USC 10-7 win

Lets breakdown the Cleveland Browns, too.

No science here at all. Just someone who watches a lot of games. I think Elon will trend down. Had a good run last year but lost a star goalie who kept them in many games. ODU will trend down as well. Lost some strong seniors. Fairfield might be up a little, Marquette should be up also as last year they dipped and early goalie choice last year cost them some games. High Point looks to be strong again and may break top 20. They are a fast aggressive tea. UMass always surprises me. When I see them play, they never look great but always seem to be ranked high. Villanova should be a little better but those girls still hate their coach and that will continue to cause morale problems. As for Gardner -Webb...they can only go up!

I would bet Spallina had them practicing at night all week long, lets not start with excuses before the game is even played. btw I think they win easily

How impactful are all the coaching changes at the mid level schools? Do they matter? Seems like more and more every year

No matter how this game finishes up and no matter how good or not USC actually ends up being this year, it is safe to say the impact of the return of a healthy Courtney Murphy was way underestimated.

Coaching , coaching , coaching .

Ally Kennedy is a game changer.

The anouncers are very hard to listen to.

USC will not beat a well coached team.

Stony Brook is very good but USC is not a well coached team.

Announcers for the USC /, SBU game were terrible.

USC very poorly coached.

Stony Brook well coached.

Transition for stony Brook was excellent.

SBU offense very unselfish. Ball movement, spacing, timing and approach all very good and well coordinated and executed (Coaching).

USC offense stagnant and just flat out bad.

SBU will have trouble with s well coached team that can control the Draw.

Kennedy is s difference maker for SBU.

Final Four should be fun.

What was with the announcers referring to certain players as "the transfers" and calling other players by their first name? very strange. Did the announcers resent the "transfer" players? Who were the announcers? Did they play at USC? USC coaching is 10 years behind. The outcome of this game was mostly coaching although SBU did appear to have more depth as well.

USC 8 yellow cards. Kerrigan Miller out half way thru first half. And still only 14-10. SBU is good, but if they don't solve the draw, they are going nowhere. USC is a top 15-20 team, not a top 10. Did not see anything tonight that changed my opinion of SBU. They are a very good offensive team, although they get a little too hot doggy and started turning the ball over w dumb btb passes etc. They are a good defensive team scheme wise, but individually aren't all that impressive and did nothing on the ride. Goalie is average. They may lose in the round of 8 again. I know that's not what all u homers think, but thems the facts. With 8 (or was it 9) man up possessions and the other teams best player out for 3/4s of the game, the score should be 17-7. It will be interesting to see how they do at Northwestern if Shelby Fredericks is healthy and back on the field.

They have an extremely mediocre non-conference schedule for the "#2" team in the country. And their conference teams are really bad. They get hurt come tournament time by not playing better competition. Not really their fault, but is what it is. No UNC, Maryland, Syracuse, Florida (this yr) etc. They could go undefeated and you still won't know really what they have until later in the NCAAs.

SB was very fast versus SC. I agree many cards can influence game but SB was much better team.

SB transition from Defense to offense was great. Also, which I could never figure out in women’s game why more teams don’t do it, SB destroyed SC from attacking from behind the cage. SB ball movement was fast. A zone can’t keep up with it. Against zone the key is ball movement.

If you have good attackers, bring it behind and cut. Simple draw and dump. Hard to cover a cutter in girls game based on rules, and hard to stop someone one on one without help. So if you have no help defense because defender is covering cutter it opens up 1v1 with defender. Two options tough to stop. Boys game does it all day long. Teams better prep for SB behind goal attack as not many teams do this, or have attackers that can do it in college game now. All I see is attacking from up top.

Don't disagree w any of that. But tell me then, why with USCs best player out with 2 cards early and USC w 8 cards overall (leading to at least 4 maybe 5 goals) was the score only 14-10? I think the answer is mainly that SB has a major problem on the draw. In my opinion, they just played a team that should not be ranked in the top 10 and did not look as dominant as they should have if they want to win a national championship. Maryland wins that game by 10.

Announcers were terrible
I think USC is well coached just SB defense is that good
SB offense executed well in first half
Both teams have some major issues ,SB will not beat a top team if the draw is not better, difficult to win without a top goalie especially if there is no back up goalie. USC is simply just not that talented and has no depth. Miller would have helped but not a difference maker on offense which is where they needed the help in this game.Both teams play a weak schedule ,USC has a very weak schedule overall so neither are prepared for back to back big games come the tournament.

Haters will hate. SBU goes cross country and smacks around USC in a game that everyone predicted USC would win. But..........You somehow want to point out that their non-conf schedule isn't good enough. Non-conf schedules are made sometimes years in advance so stop with the schedule stuff. SBU was better in almost every phase of the game. Its early in season lets see how it plays out.

There aren't a ton of good coaches out there. Add USC to the list. Florida could have 2 national championships if someone like Spalina was their coach.

Same thing in club ball. Teams with the best athletes win in spite of their coaches

Agree. Will also add you should be attacking from all over the field (behind, wing, corners, top etc...). spacing, off ball movement and timing must be coordinated in order for offense to be effective against good team defense. One on one dodging with off ball players getting in the way will not work. Standing still trying to feed is also ineffective and will result in unforced turnovers.

Stony Brook clearly the better coached team.

Well, some facts and some opinions. SBU goalie had 10 saves and 50% save percentage, that is above average, you can compare to last years top goalies. SBU played against one of the best goalies in the country, they score more against a weaker goalie. First game of the year with cross continent travel, it was a great result. Agreed on draw control as a first game issue and can do without the hot dog stuff as well. How do you define going nowhere, do they have to win a title in your definition of somewhere?

Many of those USC shots were not good. Inflated the save percentage. It’s really just the eyeball test. She’s a decent/good goalie, not great. For the #2 team in the country, there is only one result that matters, a National championship. I don’t see them winning it. They are good. Very good. But I think their flaws will be exposed in the NCAAs like they have been each year so far.

Murphy with Ohmiller sisters is going to be the offense of the year.

PSU 14 Lehigh 13 Ref calls off tying goal w 16 seconds to for follow through which wasn’t even. Horrible! Theft

Completely agree with the hotdog comments!
Worst part of it is you see more and more of this unnecessary BTB crap in the younger girls game. We have girls on club and HS teams who can’t put up a normal high percentage shot up anymore. Every shot has to be a ridiculous BTB, under hand, between the legs circus show. There is a Spallina/SBU influence on many of the impressionable LI girls, and it is very hard to watch these hotdogs, just play the game.

Geez.......Are you gonna complain about the weather there also.....or maybe the traffic. Put a smile on today negative Nellie.

Every team has flaws in February

Refs already in mid season form deciding games on very marginal, soft or imaginary calls. If you were picking a group of refs who most easily could decide a game, lacrosse has to be at the top of the list

wow Lehigh got screwed and Penn State is so far from #4 in the country. Preseason ranking was a joke.

Basketball at top

Top 10

Maryland
Stony Brook
Boston College
Syracuse
Navy
JMU
UNC
Princeton
Florida
USC

Virginia, Northwestern, Towson, Penn, PSU, Notre Dame, Duke

Northwestrn at Duke

Two teams trying to get back to where they were.

Northwestrn 14 Duke 11

Who will be Tipp Eight at the end? Anyone outside of that list?

Check that. Fredericks out. Duke freshman attacker is outstanding.

Both teams look fast and athletic. Duke underrated.

Duke looks better but early.

Stony Brook looked strong defensively and on attack. I believe the midfield will ultimately cost them against top teams (USC ranked way too high). This is the year for them to make some noise but I think they are a bit short.

but there are more possessions to overcome bad calls

So USC is ranked 5. But they were handled and outplayed everywhere except the draw circle. Can't pick and choose I personally have a daughter that is on a team in the top 10 (not Stoney Brook) saw them play Friday and I think they are better than last year. I will say this in my opinion 4 to 5 teams can win it this year and SB is one of them. Also watched MD and FL neither team plays any type of defense but are offensively gifted.

North outstanding. Fredericks in and that game goes to NU. Both those teams are ranked too low. That was a game between two top 10 teams, not 11 and 19. That's why these preseason polls r so bad. Now NU will drop from where there are despite being a top 10 team. Duke will move up, but not nearly as high as they should.

Penn State should be ranked below Duke and NU for example. Will it happen, doubt it.

Agree. Both teams looked very good. love the crisp passing and both teams are athletic and fast.

From what I have seen YTD both Northwestern and Duke are Top 10.

The season is early but I think we have a deeper field than in the past.

I agree extremely well played game. Two top teams Both look much improved

Too early to pick Top 10 but the 10 listed should certainly be considered. Duke and Northwestern have to be considered as well. Virginia and Penn maybe. I don't think Towson or Penn State are Top 10 at this point. Virginia appears to be improved from last year. Can ND get over the hump. Is there anyone else? Only time will tell.

Looks like all of the UNC Freshman are starting to come alive!

Agree that Stony Brook has the team this year to compete in championship.

Umm they played Liberty today

NU and Duke top 10. USC no, Navy no. That's for starters.

Always tough early in the season! Usc one good result beating VT and then trailed wire to wire to SB at one point 7 down will learn more this week about them, Notre Dame and NW as they play each other. Also think Stanford bounces back and gives SB all they can handle today

Looks like we are starting to see a little parity (at least with the Top 10 teams). In years past I think the top 4-6 teams were consideribly stronger than the next 5 or 6 teams and then there was another drop off. It is great to see some of the top programs playing each other so early. All of the rankings are really meaningless but fun to see who falls where. I think there will be some very good teams that do not make the final 8 teams this year.

Love the fact that teams are scheduling more meaningful games. I believe Northwestern got in with a 10-9 record last year. I'm not arguing for Northwestern but love when teams play tough games. Same in college football is an undefeated UCF the same as a 1 or 2 loss Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, Penn State etc

Stony brook has played a UCF type schedule in the past but its getting tougher every year. The problem with Lacrosse is that with slightly more competitive teams picking 8 is really tough once get past the top 4

Please, no offense to liberty but it was 15-1 at the half so lets not get too excited. Watched the second half and saw some of those Freshmen playing the old high school game , head down run to goal. Will also say I get its college but do you need the best player on the field doing the same thing even after she has scored 5 goals and the team is up by 17, the Tewaaraton committee hopefully realizes there is a difference doing it because your team needs you to and doing it at the expense of making your team better.

Stanford guy is back. Stanford is going to get run off the field.

Don't think there is a clear top 4 right now.

Maryland
Stony Brook
Boston College
Florida
Syracuse
JMU
Navy
Duke
Northwestern
Princeton
North Carolina
USC
Virginia
Penn
Notre Dame

are all pretty strong. After that not sure maybe Towson, Penn State ?

Stanford is not a top 25 team. Last year they had an RPI of 35. In the immortal words of Bill Parcells, "You are what your record says you are." For Stanford, that's pretty darn mediocre.

Great education, mediocre lacrosse. PS, and that's OK!

About as mediocre as Stonybrook is at academics. I’ll take the elite academic school any day!

Stanford ranked in coaches poll!! Can't deny that

There are more than four teams that can compete for a championship this year. By the end of the season we will see 10 0r 12 of the teams listed prove that they can compete with the best. Seeding will be crucial to who make the Final Four, This year, getting to the Final Eight is going to be tough.

Nobody was talking about the academics. Way to change the argument. "Also think Stanford bounces back and gives SB all they can handle today." That was the quote. Stanford is not only not in the same class as SB lacrosse wise, they are two to three classes below. They look like a mid-tier D1 team in this game. They can barely throw and catch. They r turning it over constantly. This isn't even a game.

That is very true, ball constantly on the ground for "the Cardinal". But I have to add this..... a few months ago there was a prolonged argument about coaches taking taller players over better lax IQ, this game proves why you take the IQ over size. The Stanford girls are much bigger, but it really doesn't matter because they can't catch , and continually throw bad passes. Also, in my opinion, Stanford being a good school for the west coast, not near an Ivy no matter how much they want to be, also not as good as Duke , the Hop, B.C. etc.... Not to mention S.B. is a very good teaching hospital. By the way I hate Spallina.7w9ztk

Ummm...Stanford is ranked #5 nationally best universities. Is Stonybrook even in top 100?There is no future in lacrosse. Are you people not seeing how dopey you are??

I will add that SB is having trouble on the draw again. Draws are relatively even in this game. In a game where SB is clearly the better team, just like against USC, they are not doing as well on the draw. This is going to bite them if they can't fix it come tournament time. Stanford will not make NCAAs. Not even close.

“That is very true, ball constantly on the ground for "the Cardinal". But I have to add this..... a few months ago there was a prolonged argument about coaches taking taller players over better lax IQ, this game proves why you take the IQ over size. The Stanford girls are much bigger, but it really doesn't matter because they can't catch , and continually throw bad passes. Also, in my opinion, Stanford being a good school for the west coast, not near an Ivy no matter how much they want to be, also not as good as Duke , the Hop, B.C. etc.... Not to mention S.B. is a very good teaching hospital. By the way I hate Spallina.7w9ztk”

Put the bottle down. Was never a discussion about taking taller players over better lax IQ, which by the way is not mutually exclusive .To even compare BC and Stanford academically let alone say BC is better tells me you are clueless about Stanford .Glad to see you included the image verification in your post, again don’t drink and post it never works out.

Looks like all of the UNC Freshman are starting to come alive!
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Please, no offense to liberty but it was 15-1 at the half so lets not get too excited. Watched the second half and saw some of those Freshmen playing the old high school game , head down run to goal. Will also say I get its college but do you need the best player on the field doing the same thing even after she has scored 5 goals and the team is up by 17, the Tewaaraton committee hopefully realizes there is a difference doing it because your team needs you to and doing it at the expense of making your team better.[/quote]

I noticed that some of the UNC freshman didn't even play - injured or recruited too early and aren't cutting it? I wonder?

Nobody was talking about the academics. Way to change the argument. "Also think Stanford bounces back and gives SB all they can handle today." That was the quote. Stanford is not only not in the same class as SB lacrosse wise, they are two to three classes below. They look like a mid-tier D1 team in this game. They can barely throw and catch. They r turning it over constantly. This isn't even a game. [/quote]That is very true, ball constantly on the ground for "the Cardinal". But I have to add this..... a few months ago there was a prolonged argument about coaches taking taller players over better lax IQ, this game proves why you take the IQ over size. The Stanford girls are much bigger, but it really doesn't matter because they can't catch , and continually throw bad passes. Also, in my opinion, Stanford being a good school for the west coast, not near an Ivy no matter how much they want to be, also not as good as Duke , the Hop, B.C. etc.... Not to mention S.B. is a very good teaching hospital. By the way I hate Spallina.7w9ztk[/quote]

Ummm...Stanford is ranked #5 nationally best universities. Is Stonybrook even in top 100?There is no future in lacrosse. Are you people not seeing how dopey you are??
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Ummm...This is a lacrosse site, where we discuss lacrosse. And Stanford is not very good. Sorry that bothers you so much.

Stony Brook women's lax is such a great story. Spallina has that team as prepared as any team ever. Like him or not, he wins at every level, as a player, pro coach, club coach, HS, d2, and now this. It's the only LI team that can win a division 1 title! I have zero ties to any of this, except being a lax fan and I am rooting for that team to win it all.

Kind of like how the Stonybrook girls can barely crack a 1100 on their SAT? At least the the SB girls are good at saying “yes boss”, that will come in handy later in life

Ahhh. The guy that was talking big stuff about Stanford lax, only to realize they stink. Funny. And this guys brilliant Stanford daughter is taking Science, Technology and the World. You know, the major that the football guys also take. Such a funny thing that this guy thinks the Stanford lax players have anything close to the actual qualifications to get into the school. Very funny. Which one of the ball droppers was ur kid? What a combination: not so smart, a bad lacrosse player, and an inflated ego. Funny, but also sad.

Great coach that always lives on the edge with the in game rules. If he was at Florida he would have 2 National Titles. Amazing that he is doing it with a team that is 95% from LI. The 3 years before he got there they won 3 or 4 games per year and in his 1st year with some D2 transfer players he jumped to 14 wins. All this at a lousy college campus but good lacrosse facilities

You are amazed that he's doing it with 95% li girls? where are you from? i'm not from li, but name one other area besides baltimore that is even close.

"Ahhh. The guy that was talking big stuff about Stanford lax, only to realize they stink. Funny. And this guys brilliant Stanford daughter is taking Science, Technology and the World. You know, the major that the football guys also take. Such a funny thing that this guy thinks the Stanford lax players have anything close to the actual qualifications to get into the school. Very funny. Which one of the ball droppers was ur kid? What a combination: not so smart, a bad lacrosse player, and an inflated ego. Funny, but also sad."

I do not have a kid that is at, or has gone to Stanford but if you are going after the academics of the athletes at that school or the academics in general you are just being ignorant. My daughter visited many schools, Stanford being one of them, and it was the only school that made it very clear you are a student first and athlete second. While I think their lacrosse and USC lacrosse are consistently ranked a little higher than they deserve probably to try and grow the sport and make it seem as if its just not an east coast game you cannot be serious going after their academics. Stanford consistently is one of the if not the most difficult school to get into with an acceptance rate of around 5%.

If you are using lacrosse for anything other than to gain admission to a top ten, you’re a fool. Nobody cares about lacrosse except the parents. My daughter catches and throws, and scores just fine. Having the choice between Maryland and a top 10, only an stunad would choose Maryland. You have to look at the long term benefit. If you gain admission to a top 10, you’ve already won the National Championship. Now if you’re second tier academically, and are a great lax player, then a Maryland or Stonybrook would be the way to go.

But everyone on LI wants to go away to school and very few from other parts of the country want to come. Who has it easier UNC, Maryland, Penn State, Florida etc.... They get kids wanting to play there from all 50 states

LI kids would rather go to CT to play average lacrosse at Fairfield, Sacred Heart or Quinnipiac then stay home

My kid cant get in to Stanford and i'm jealous. I can't believe there are clowns on here brave enough to actually put lacrosse over academics without linking the two. You can think it dad but don't say it out loud. It's embarrassing to the entire sport

Not the good ones...

My kid is going to U of Chicago to play lax...tops any stanford loser...

Keep changing the subject. Just admit you were wrong about Stanford lacrosse. You have said multiple times that their LACROSSE team was an outside contender for the final four, that they were going to give SB a run for their money etc. You were wrong. They are not a very good D1 lacrosse team. It's ok, you can admit you were wrong.

They are a good academic school. Although the undergraduate education is a bit overrated unless you are there for a few specialized areas that most lacrosse players are not taking as majors. Same is true actually about most undergraduate programs. They are much harder to get into than they are once you are there. It's the graduate programs that are the real deal. And for that, Stanford has a much deserved excellent reputation.

Lax ... eh. Undergrad education, meh.

You are all a bunch of morons.To say someone is an stunad because they picked MD over a top 10 school is short sighted at best and ignorant at worst. There are many things that go into picking a school and just because US News has a school ranked top 10 does not make it the right choice. Say what you want but a premed 4.0 Zoe Stuckenberg with multiple national championships is going to be just fine compared to your struggling communications daughter at Yale. There are a lot of great schools out there and just because you went to a top 10 school is no guarantee of anything.

Ha ha. Funny comment. Love it.

First its a different poster, I think Stanford lax has been overrated as I stated. They are a 25-40 program much like Stony Brook was not too long ago. As far as their undergraduate programs you are underestimating just how good the education is .

Of course the good ones. Only a couple of players want to stay at SB and usually because they can’t afford the other schools and the travel back and forth. Please don’t tell me about scholarships for lax either. My daughter plays at a mid major and has friends at majors. Not helpful for the SB girls coming out of HS.

StonyBrook is lucky they don't have Hofstra on there schedule this Year.

Keep telling yourself that.....lol

Here's a question for all you Stanford lovers, If Stanford is so much better than every other school, and you and your daughters are so much smarter than the rest of us, why do you care what we think? According to you, you and your daughters are living the dream, at the best school in the world, having a kid so much smarter than the rest of us, probably better marriages then the rest of us, why do you care? So your daughters team got crushed by a bunch of 3rd rate neanderthals and they can barley throw or catch. I mean really, look at those decision making skills they posses, flawless almost 5 out of a hundred times. Who cares they don't have enough dexterity to complete a pass to a girl 5 yards away without throwing it out of bounds, there at Stanford, a bastion of liberal idealism where every loser is really a winner because some magazine says so, and there is no way you spent all that money so your daughter will become my barista like so many other top 10 school grads. You just keep telling yourself that there is no way any of our daughters will be nearly as successful as your little princess because your princess has a better name on the top of a piece of paper and that makes her better. nme7vy (I put that in so you can continue to feel superior to me, you obviously need that)

What a dope . You seem like the typical [ChillLaxin] who looks down on people because you used to get beat up a lot in high school , get over it .

PLEASE, go crawl back into your Hofstra hole, you will not be playing any meaningful games come May

Saw Hofstra today v Wagner and live this fall. Yikes. Not very good. Could be better, but obviously coaches doing them no favors. Please don’t mention them competing with SB or even well with mid majors. Should beat Wagner by more than 10 and won by 5 unimpressively.

Yawn....😴

Big barn burner with Wagner today ! I was at Hofstra vs SB last year at Hofstra with my daughter Top Gun team the half time score was 17-0 personally think this is a big year for HU

Look for Spalina to jump to Hofstra for a big pay raise in the next year or two. Shannon wont make it much longer

can your overly intelligent self hither quote button again? 3 times isn't enough. For a person that thinks there smarter than everyone on this site, you can't even figure out how to post. By the way is that your best [ChillLaxin] or are you just taking my advice

Add Insanity to the list of negative self destructive emotions, behavior, thoughts or mental state that many of you display on this site. The bitterness, jealousy, hate and insanity that comes through would be funny if it were not so sad. I'm guessing that it is the same lunatics that try to tear down Stanford then go after Hofstra all in some sick effort to elevate a school like Stony Brook. Honestly, what is wrong with you people? Many of you simply can not let your daughters abilities speak for it self. Be happy for your daughter wherever she is athletically and academically. Do any of you realize how crazy you sound?

"No need to go to Stanford, an Ivy or Duke. The education is just as good at XYZ State". "Your kid plays at Hofstra? They aren't even Top 30, what a waste of time". "She is going where, UNC? She will never see the field". "How did they pick those girls for UA? My daughter is way better, it must be political". "Those IL Rankings are a joke. My daughter is just as deserving". "Lacrosse is a dead end sport, what did she get a 5K scholarship? We went DIII because academics are more important to us". "ND stinks". "Northwestern is terrible". "Florida will never win". "I told you they were overrated, see they lost, they stink".

Look at reality. The top schools are the top schools for a reason, whether it be academically or athletically. Same can be said for the student athletes and all of your bashing will not change reality.

Ok. We've beaten the Stanford vs. the rest of the world argument to death. Lets put it to rest and get back to college womens lacrosse.

Rumor has it Spallina leaving, but not to Hofstra. Big time mens program, wait and see. more $$$$$$$$$$$.

While it is entirely possible, let's not forget he just signed a new contract with SB, and the AD loves him which means he gets carte blanche to do whatever he wants. If the men's program is more prestigious then I would say he'd absolutely go but otherwise, I doubt it. He's got it too good.

Is Nagle finally getting the boot? Was embarrassed for him last weekend when he had no answer for Penn State. SB Men’s can do better with Spallina in charge

Going to start new program at big school ?

He will take over the men’s program at Stonybrook and try to attract better 91 players to turn the program around. It has been going downhill for a while. Will be a win win. He can recruit his own kids and stay in his new house.

Has to be a big school making cash with football and hoops. Lax makes very little if anything for these schools except adding some prestige to the overall athletic program. He already makes almost $200k which is a lot on the womens side. Most of the coaches are $40-$70k. People forget he won with men already. He wins everywhere

Easy there, winning at D2 compared to D1 is comparing apples to oranges. Different level all together. With that said he will never t leave Long Island so Stonybrook Men’s would be a logical step. Still don’t see that program going anywhere

He will double that at big time mens program.

NY Lizards HC

Adelphi with an early loss to Florida Southern. These [2] teams have trading wins last few years including the last two years for the D2 championship. Nice rivalry going on.

Why can't schools like Stanford, most Ivy's, Bucknell, Villanova, Richmond, Ohio State, Rutgers etc... Be more competitive? There are a lot of great schools that would be the right fit for a lot of kids yet they can't find a way to field a competitive team.

Is it coaching or is there simply not enough talent?

He is not leaving Long Island, he wants his own kids in a lax hotbed, and he is highly involved in their lax teams. He kids are all part of very talented teams that would be impossible to replicate anywhere else at this point. Not to mention the Assoc. Head is interviewing for head spots now (late fall), she would just stay if JS was leaving and take over.

Comes down to coaching, not enough quality head coaches. It takes a lot to run a program, a lot more than just x's and o's. Just look at how much SS has struggled with the learning curve. She can coach kids and make their skills and knowledge of the game better, but that is less than half of it. Its the fund raising, managing personnel, planning travel, etc. All can be overwhelming.

Obviously another hater attempting to set a narrative and promote an agenda. Go away troll.

Stonybrook is done after this year. He has a special group of girls. Unfortunately they’ll come up short in the end. He did as much as he could for that program. Will now try to elevate the mens program to a top 10.

Yes, Penn and Princeton are Ivy's and they have great programs. I said most Ivy's are not very competitive. Although Rutgers and Stanford are more competitive than Bucknell and Vilanova they are not as competitive as they should be. I was not talking only about academics, I was talking great fit for many students.

Not sure its a troll, sounds pretty accurate to me. There is a real shortage of really good coaches out there both in college and club. Just because you played doesn't make you a good coach. Most of these teams win in spite of their coaches based on the skill and athleticism of their players. SB went from 3 wins to 14 overnight with Spalina and he wins everywhere he's been. Florida and others can't break through because they don't have a coach that can take exceptional players to the next level in tight situations. The sport doesn't pay very well so unless you get to the top quickly many potential good coaches aren't staying in the 24 hour rat race and endless relocation. The other things that stop teams from jumping up is the players. Once you get outside the top tier of nationally recruited women, the sport is very balanced with talent

Yes, Penn and Princeton are Ivy's and they have great programs. I said most Ivy's are not very competitive. Although Rutgers and Stanford are more competitive than Bucknell and Vilanova they are not as competitive as they should be. I was not talking only about academics, I was talking great fit for many students.

It's called an Athletic Director - they make schedules, plan travel and deal with almost all administrative stuff. If there's one thing SS can do its raise money, what she can't do is evaluate talent and/or recruit it when she stumbles into it. all you've heard for the last several years is the her players don't want to play for her, but are stuck there. Seems to be the exact opposite at SB...

Go away [ChillLaxin].

This is Spallinas last shot to win championship, Super stars are graduating, Big fall off after this year. He knows it and looking to try something on the mens side and double his salary, that someone has mentioned above is at 200K.. 500K to coach mens team, at Hofstra or SB. ????????

Boston College looks deep, 18 reminds me of Rix and Apuzzo is nasty. Can they beat UNC this year?

JS is very successful but his players are not exactly thrilled to be playing for him either. Let’s just say he can be a real task master and is not easy on them unless you are one of the chosen ones and I hear even reducing some scholorships along the way .Not sure how some get away with it but NCAA rules in terms of practice times ,length, days in a row etc are just suggestions .

Possibly, But they still stink, if Spallina had this team, they'd have won 5 trophies. I dont get why people from LI go here and not SB.

If they can’t beat UNC this year they probably never will. UNC has been starting 5 or so freshmen and another 2-3 who never started an NCAA game prior to this year .As far as BC being deep , they are never deep and run their offense generally thru 2-3 girls .I will still take UNC this year but should be a good game.

SB is done after this year. As good as KO is, she can’t do it alone. JS far from dumb and knows this. If he doesn’t move on, he’ll crash and burn along with his kids who depend on daddy-o for their success.

Did you not watch BC at all last year, everyone on the offense was a threat, and next will be the best BC team ever Kent(rumored) and #1 recruiting class. Also Apuzzo will be back, easily team to beat next year.

Because its a Boston College Education in a cool city dumb ass. Geesh!

People choose schools for various reasons and though SB has a great lax program, it isn't the end all be all. Boston is a great City for young people and is a great place with lots of intern/career opportunities closer than a 1 1/2 hr train ride. There are also lots of other schools that provide a different student and student athlete experience that girls desire and prefer. Not to mention they may want to get away from home and experience another part of the country.

Maybe because BC is a way better school and doesn't look like prison!!! The Bc program has accomplished more than SB and will be better than SB in years to come, the coach cultivates talent over 4 years and is getting blue chip recruits.

The two schools are really an apples vs oranges comparison. Not knocking Stony Brook but hard to compare a SUNY with a private school. Also Suffolk County/Port Jefferson is not Boston and the campuses are completely different. There was mention of internships and career opportunities in another post in the Boston area and they are dead on. Boston is on Amazon's short list for the second headquarters just on the young talent alone in the Boston area.

Maybe yes and yes. The real issue is a commitment from the university to the sport. Remember that the schools you mentioned (all schools with athletic programs) have many varsity sports (and club sports). All sports must be funded, recruited, marketed, etc. You would think Harvard would get studs every year but they don't.

I can tell first hand Villanova does not support women's lacrosse. Fine school and lacrosse gets you in and they throw a couple of bucks your way you are doing all right. Just don't expect to compete. They have a great men's basketball team ($$$$) but a so-so women's basketball team (competitive this year). Same sport, different support.

You mentioned "right fit". What does that mean? Villanova could be a right fit--good engineer, nursing and business school. You have a bright student that wants to play lacrosse Nova might be the place. Actually any of the schools might be the "right fit". D3 might be the "right fit". NESCAC schools such as Hamilton, Middlebury, Williams, Tufts, Amherst, etc are very difficult to get accepted and have great lacrosse without the time commitments of D1. Maybe that is the "right fit" if you have a bright student who wants to study pre-med.

If the "right fit" is just getting on a top 20 D1 team then you are missing the point of higher education and setting up your child for possible failure. Check out some of my older posts as I did a four year study of the class of 2013 from the NY Metro area. Only 53% of students recruited to play lacrosse in college were on the roster their senior year.

There's a YJ Dad running around telling people his daughter received a 100% full athletic scholarship to Notre Dame. With 33 players on current roster, I find this hard to believe. Can anyone tell me the likelihood of this being true?

There is not enough talent. The best players are recruited by the best programs and most choose to attend and play for one of those schools. Some very good players slip through the cracks and there is a small percentage who choose non powerhouse programs but for the most part the top players go to the top programs (that is why they are the top programs). The best players have their choice of school and most can find the right "fit" at one of the top 10 - 15 programs.

It is possible but unlikely. Top recruits will receive generous offers but 100% at a school like ND is probably not true.

False.

Notre Dame de Namur University..in Cali.......

Completely false that they are getting 100 % price of attendance. Its possible but unlikely that they may be getting 100% tuition but would need to be a top 10 player in the country so that narrows who you are talking about and I could see her crazy mom saying it but not her dad.

Not something Halfpenny normally does so I'd be surprised. I also don't see a recruit that would fit the bill to be honest, but maybe I'm wrong.

This has been a topic on here for a long time. The answer is YES, I have seen top programs give 100% full ATHLETIC for the top recruits. If anyone tells you that it never happens they are just ignorant. Now, is it more likely that it is a combination of athletic ,academic and/or financial? probably, but if he is willing to say all athletic, I guess you need to take his word for it. It does happen!

How do you know its completely false? because YOUR daughter did not get offered a full scholarship? Speak for yourself and your own experience. Especially don't call people out, when you have no idea who the original poster was referring to. Haters always Hate!

People should carefully read what Bald Bear has written over the years. Very realistic and well thought out. The 53% of LI college players actually still playing by the time they are seniors is a real eye opener as is the info he has provided on D2 and D3 opportunities. Once you go through the process with your 1st kid you perspective really changes for the 2nd 3rd and 4th. Find the right college fit, push the books and enjoy the ride because the fact is very very few have the talent or good fortune to win a national championship

ND meets all need, so if you don't make any money you can pretty much go for free. Also, there's not any YJ player form 2018-2021 that would merit full athletic ride, not even close.

I've been through this. There is no way a school would give out a full athletic scholarship to 1 girl. I don't care who she is. You must have misunderstood the gentleman from the YJ. Her package had to be some academic money and/or a school grant and/or financial aid. All these together, could very well be 100%.

NEVER 100% athletic. academic + athletic + school grant + financial aid = 100%.. YES
I do this for a living. Use your head, they have 30 girls on team and 12 scholarships.

Maybe your daughter needed grants and financial aid ... maybe the girl you are talking about didnt... Only the coach, the parents and the player would know that...

LOL, jealous loser

Stop starting trouble. I'm sure if a girl is getting a full ride, her parents wouldn't be going around bragging about it . It's the kids that aren't getting anything, their parents are the loud mouth crazy ones.

Hey Genius.. The coach is going to give academic, grants and financial aid before athletic money. Why should a coach give up an athletic scholarship (that are very limited) if you don't have to. You could have 10 girls on a team getting 100% scholarship, but each girls is only getting 20% of an athletic scholarship ( which is a total of 2 athletic scholarships).

and there isn't a YJ dad that is a gentleman in the entire YJ program. LOL

YOU are Wrong!!!! Trust me! I personally know a few that received 100% ATHLETIC!! It is funny how some people are so definitive about what OTHERS received . How do YOU know? You don't!!!! I write this because a parent of a top recruit may get 100% or close and will be afraid to ask for it because people tell them that it doesnt happen!!! Don't be afraid to ask for more. The coach will let you know what your daughter is worth to them.

You are right! Most of the time they will offer academic, financial aid etc.. to the kids they don't deem impact players or parents dumb enough to take scholarship/aid that can change from year to year depending on your Tax return and daughters grades. The parents that are smart, know that the more athletic money you get, the better off you are! If the school really wants your daughter they will anti up the Athletic scholarship (in some cases 100%), they will give the "packages" to the parents willing to take them. I assume you are a parent who took the "package"? Who is the genius now?

Cant combine athletic and financial aid. Can combine athletic and academic $.

How do I know , because I am friends w Halfpenney since I was with her staff since her WM days so I am speaking from my own experience .I will also tell you she will not be happy if parents are discussing their athletic scholorships that their kids are being offered..As far as hating , I don’t really care my kids went thru college a long time ago and you are right in terms of who the original poster was talking about I really have no idea just going by what others have said.

Please tell your friend to wake up and start doing something with all the talent she is given every year. BTW her 2018/19/20 recruiting classes look very weak

According to bald bear research 50% of girls recruited are not on the roster for all four years, academic and need based grants don't go away, that money will be there all four years. I have heard of kids being told they're not getting any athletic money because need based money is going to cover most if not all their tuition expenses and the coach doesn't want to waste scholarship money if that's the case

Actually her 2019 RE ruining class is one of those he better ones .

Have you met YJ parents???

Academic is always the best route in keeping your money. Do well and you keep the cash for all 4 years. Financial needs change every year and coaches, rosters and the players motivation to keep playing also changes every year. Remember only at half of all college players play all 4 years.

Make sure your kid is at a school she's happy at in case she wants to quit the sport or gets injured. Rarely is it a good thing if you picking a school solely for athletics

I don't give a crap where the money comes from, FA, athletic, academic, grant, under table from coach, as long as it = 100%.

Is Duke now overrated after today’s loss? Let them play 10 games or so before stating your official rankings.

The end of Hofstra game is why SS is in way over her head The lead w the Ball man up with under a minute to go blow the lead lose in OT

Ahhhh. You can't understand anything until it's already done and you have perfect information. Gotcha. Most occupations and most athletic endeavors require predicting what will happen ahead of time with uncertain information. I guess you don't have a very interesting occupation and likely have very little insight into athletic endeavors. Shame.

I would say at the start of the season Duke , PSU over rated while JMU and UVA under rated . I also think BC is way overrated at this point .In the end would it surprise anyone if UNC, MD, Fl, SB are the last 4 standing .

Am I the only one angry that if you go to ESPN.com you can get Rugby and Cricket threads but not Lacrosse. Do they even know Lacrosse is a sport

Don't count out Syracuse

So when the preseason poll compiles their rankings ahead of time with uncertain information you rip them to shreds but when you do it after a couple of games it was brillant forecasting? Re-read your initial bashing of the poll again and maybe you will see you are doing the exact same thing you criticized the poll for doing. After a couple of games you were still wrong.

Would not be a surprise since all were rated top 5 in preseason poll. Lets get bold. Which other team or two will be in final four? Which of those four will not?

In: Northwestern and UVA

Out: SB and Florida

And before the snide remarks start flying about those not being bold, I believe NU is ranked 13th? and UVA 16th? For women's lax to have teams ranked that low make it to the final four is rare. Navy did it last year.

Please, no offense to liberty but it was 15-1 at the half so lets not get too excited. Watched the second half and saw some of those Freshmen playing the old high school game , head down run to goal. Will also say I get its college but do you need the best player on the field doing the same thing even after she has scored 5 goals and the team is up by 17, the Tewaaraton committee hopefully realizes there is a difference doing it because your team needs you to and doing it at the expense of making your team better.[/quote]

I noticed that some of the UNC freshman didn't even play - injured or recruited too early and aren't cutting it? I wonder?
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How about those UNC Freshman again from Long Island taking on MD! Good to see the red shirt Freshman goalie and Ortega taking on MD and winning!

It is the body of work that will matter come tournament time, not one win or loss. Seeding is going to be a major factor this year as the field of competitive teams is a little deeper than previous years. Getting to the final eight will be tough and getting to the final four will be very difficult. There are definitely several teams that will be outside the top four seeds that can knock off one of the four seeds. In no particular order these teams have a legit shot at the final eight and made even the final four.

UNC
Maryland
Boston College
Northwestern
Maryland
Florida
Virginia
USC
Syracuse
Penn
JMU
Princeton
Duke
Stony Brook
Penn State

Notre Dame? Towson? Virginia Tech? Hopkins? Anyone else?

Actually all four of the starting freshmen had a great day some big goals, ground balls and crucial draw controls. Unc played great team ball offense to defense despite crazy amount of fouls . Some times sloppy but definitely gritty!

This is SB's year

SB absolutely smokes #20 Denver today. Illustrates again how quick the talent drops off in women's lacrosse. SB moves the ball quick and often. Denver had trouble catching and throwing against SB's aggressive defense

After the UNC Maryland game, would you still take those two teams to win it all or the field?

Stony Brook!!

They are left wing globalists. You should know that.

SS did not throw the ball away or drop it. HU goalie had a tough game, she is much better than that. Is #25 HU coaches sister.

UNC defense was poor in first half particularly. Maryland’s defense is also suspect this year. I’m going to go out on a limb and say this is the year neither wins the whole enchilada. Defense wins championships.

1 - Stony Brook
2 - Boston College
3 - JMU
4 - Syracuse
5 - Virginia
6 - UNC
7 - Maryland
8 - Navy
9 - Florida
10 - Penn
11 - Northwestern
12 - Princeton
13 - Duke
14 - Towson
15 - USC
16 - Virginia Tech
17 - Penn State
18 - Hopkins
19 - Loyola
20 - Colorado

Navy??? Why 8??? JMU 3??? Silliness. SB needs to beat a top team first. USC is not a top team. Lets see how they do against Maryland, UNC, Syracuse, Florida etc. Oh, you say they don't play any of them? Guess they will be a paper tiger until later into the NCAAs.

I will take unc , MD vs the field . Stony Brook plays easily the weakest schedule of any team who has a legit shot . The best team they play is USC and that team has been exposed as being anemic on offense .

Right now JMU is very deserving of #3. Maybe they should be #1.

What do you mean right now? Are they the number 3 team in the country or not? They either are, meaning they are a favorite to be in the final 4 or not. I say they are not. They shouldn't be #1 or #3. They are about 10th. Very good. Not top 3. Place your bet now. Are they a top 3 team when all games are played? Will they make the final 4? Answer now. Not after the games are played. What's your knowledge of the game say?

JMU caught UNC sleeping. Not a top 10 team, plays a week schedule. If truly top 10 will give MD a good game in a month, if #1 the will beat them. But honestly will probably lose to Pen State in 10 days. I'll give stony #1 even though they haven't really played anyone, be more confident if they blow out NU on the 3rd, they do look good and made the west coast look silly. 'cuse is the master of choke, and plays a hectic undisciplined game and will never beat SB, UNC, or MD. To say UNC and MD are 6 & 7th best is silly. BC is good, I'd say 5th right now but we'll see what they do between now and 3/7 after Navy and USC. Anyone who doesn't say MD, UNC, and Stony aren't the top 3 didn't wtch them play this weekend, best lacrosse in the country, the UNC MD game was a fantastic display of top talent, and like I said Stony made the best the west has to offer look like rank amateurs

Rankings are not predictions, they are a way to put teams in perspective based on actual results. As the season progresses and teams develop a body of work rankings become more meaningful. JMU is undefeated and they beat UNC. As of right now they have the best body of work and should be ranked #1. In your world I guess we should just pick four teams and have them compete in a playoff. No, check that why don't we just declare the champion based on your opinion and knowledge of the game.

Show SB some love, they just trounced a ranked team. Is SB that good or Denver that bad?

So do you think they are one of the three best teams in the country? Or THE best?? Answer, don't deflect. If you think they are, my bet is you will be proven wrong. I wouldn't give you a dime of money to invest or a dime to start a business. I wouldn't hire you to run a business or to teach my children. Your mind seems to be to rigid and limited. It needs to be force fed. You will need to know what has happened before you will make decisions. With perfect information, there is no opportunity. It's already priced in. Take a stab. Is JMU the best team in the country? Come on. You can do it.

Really won’t know how good SB is until the tournament as they play an easy schedule . If playing a difficult schedule prepares you for the championship tournament then SB will be unprepared .Who will be the best team SB faces this year ?

No, not a fact. Maybe anyone in the Top 15-20 can beat anyone on a given day but even 16 - 20 is pushing it. Until a program like Cornell beats Carolina or New Hampshire Beats Northwestern or Marist beats Maryland I will stick with the Top 10-15 programs. Maybe the top 20 programs . A win here or a loss there doesn't matter, what matters is where the team ends up at the end of the year.

They will not blow out NU. SB has problems on the draw control. The best in the country at draws resides in Evanston. That alone will prevent a blowout. NUs D also looks good. Yes SB offense is outstanding, but NU gave up 5 goals to the team that SBs defense gave up 10 to without Kerigan Miller on the field most of the game. I think SB should be favored in the game, but not by a lot. Don't sleep on NU in that one. They have the better goalie, the better draw player, at least as strong a defense. And they have a fairly unique home field advantage at windy Lakeside field. Looking forward to seeing if SB can take that one convincingly. It would go a long way towards me feeling like they can go all the way this year.

Can you imagine more than one smith family in the world? Check the roster and you'll answer your own question.

Enough with ranking the west coast teams with their cupcake schedules. USC, Stanford, Colorodo, Denver etc

Nice schools but lacrosse wise they just can compete.

Northwestern is different with Lasota she changes them completely! The goalie situation is interesting there as a sophomore has beaten out last years starter who i felt was very good. Northwestern is a top 10 team. Crazy start. UNC loses to JMU. Then beats Maryland who has forgotten how to play defense. Loyola loses to Hopkins then has Florida beaten only to lose. USC up and down. Duke big win them bad loss

USC is definitely a competitive program. Colorado is fighting to be a Top 20 program. Stanford is much more than a nice school and if there is an opportunity for a young women to attend Stanford she should strongly consider it.

Yup, of course she should consider Stanford. But not if she wants great academics AND a nationally competitive lacrosse team. For that she should look to Princeton, Northwestern, Duke or Penn for better examples. Thems just the facts, I reckon.

We get it Stanford is a good academic school which has nothing to do with how competitive a lacrosse team they have. The west coast teams get ranked higher than they should be each year , my guess is because they want to try to grow the sport and think this will help in some way. USC plays essentially a cupcake schedule in which they can zero in their efforts on a few games unfortunately when the NCAA tournament comes around they are not ready for the back to back competitive games and can beat anyone but will find it difficult to be competitive for so many games in a row.
SB although they play a weak schedule will be interesting, if they figure out the draw they can beat anybody. Their midfield is not on par with other top teams midfields but they are well coached and play well as a team.
Florida I just cant figure out.

The schools that you mention obviously get better recruits so if you want a great education and you are not offered a spot at one of those schools Stanford would be a great opportunity. Or if you simply wanted to head out west and play at a great school.

One thing that I find interesting on here is that people seem to think that all players have the choice to attend one the top programs. The reality is that most kids are not offered a spot at the top programs. It works the other way as well, most programs do not get to choose the best players.

For the most part, year after year the top programs grab the majority of the best players.

"They will not blow out NU. SB has problems on the draw control. The best in the country at draws resides in Evanston. That alone will prevent a blowout. NUs D also looks good. Yes SB offense is outstanding, but NU gave up 5 goals to the team that SBs defense gave up 10 to without Kerigan Miller on the field most of the game. I think SB should be favored in the game, but not by a lot. Don't sleep on NU in that one. They have the better goalie, the better draw player, at least as strong a defense. And they have a fairly unique home field advantage at windy Lakeside field. Looking forward to seeing if SB can take that one convincingly. It would go a long way towards me feeling like they can go all the way this year."

As a fan of SB ( no kid enrolled) I think this post is right on.. consistently losing the draw cost them the game against Maryland last year and it appears they dont have it figured out this year either.

SUNY Albany and SUNY Stony Brook both #! this week ... just sayin

It's her wife, they were married over the summer and reside on LI with their two Boston terriers

Stony Brook the new number 1 as they should be!

yes, and will be exposed at the end.

Why should they be ? Not saying they should not be but they have really not beaten any team that is a top15 team and only play 1 top 15 team this season. If they played MD, Fl, NW ,Or UNC schedule I do not think they would have a chance at going undefeated which thy probably will. I picked those teams as they are all in different conferences yet they all play a much more difficult schedule than SB .Come the time for seeding the NCAA tournament does the committee take strength of schedule into consideration?

Very true! A Joke!

stony brook finishes 1st in polls if they beat NU. Then they get deeded 5th in ncaa because of strength of schedule. then they lose in the 2nd/3rd round to a top 10 team that played 8 teams in the top 10 during season. then there 2 super star 100 goal seniors leave. then there coach leaves. then they don't finish in the top 2o next year. just saying, its very possible.

Division I Womens Lacrosse 2-26-2018


Rank Institution Points FPV Record Last Week
1 Stony Brook 618 21 3-0 2
2 Maryland 578 2 2-1 1
3 North Carolina 543 1 3-1 7
4 Florida 541 0 2-1 3
5 Syracuse 537 1 3-0 4
6 Boston College 535 0 5-0 5
7 James Madison 479 0 4-0 8
8 Northwestern 389 0 4-1 15
9 Virginia 383 0 3-0 16
10 Towson 380 0 2-0 11
11 Navy (USNA) 365 0 3-0 10
12 Southern California 362 0 2-2 6
13 Penn State 331 0 3-1 12
14 Princeton 311 0 1-1 9
15 Penn 310 0 2-0 14
16 Duke 259 0 3-1 13
17 Notre Dame 204 0 3-2 18
18 Cornell 202 0 1-1 17
19 Virginia Tech 182 0 3-2 25
20 Johns Hopkins 125 0 3-1 22
21 Denver 123 0 3-1 21
22 Colorado 111 0 2-2 20
23 Loyola (MD) 107 0 0-2 23
24 Massachusetts 43 0 1-2 19
25 Stanford 38 0 1-2 24

Divison II Womens Lacrosse 2-26-2018


RANK SCHOOL POINTS RECORD PREVIOUS
1 Florida Southern (23) 623 2-0 2
2 Adelphi 585 1-1 1
3 Lindenwood (2) 579 4-0 3
4 Le Moyne 558 1-0 4
5 LIU Post 520 1-0 5
6 Florida Tech 509 3-0 6
7 New Haven 454 0-0 8
8 East Stroudsburg 402 0-0 10
9 Queens University (NC) 393 1-2 7
10 Limestone 383 2-1 13
11 Mercy 364 2-0 12
12 Regis (CO) 341 1-1 9
13 New York Tech 293 0-0 14
14 Rollins 291 3-2 11
T-15 Indianapolis 254 3-1 24
T-15 West Chester 254 1-0 16
17 Mercyhurst 228 0-1 15
18 Indiana (PA) 165 0-0 19
19 Pace 154 1-0 18
20 Stonehill 150 1-0 17
21 McKendree 132 0-0 20
22 Grand Valley State 119 0-0 21
23 Tampa 116 2-2 NR
24 Colorado Mesa 99 2-0 22
25 Lock Haven 48 1-0 23

Divison III Womens Lacrosse 2-26-2018

RANK SCHOOL POINTS RECORD PREVIOUS
1 Gettysburg 622 2-0 1
2 TCNJ 595 1-0 2
3 Trinity (CT) 548 0-0 4
4 Middlebury 530 0-0 5
5 William Smith 491 0-0 6
T-6 Salisbury 464 2-0 9
T-6 York (PA) 464 1-0 8
8 Washington and Lee 422 1-2 3
9 Colby 408 0-0 10
10 Franklin & Marshall 400 1-1 7
T-11 Ithaca 375 1-0 11
T-11 Mary Washington 375 3-0 17
13 Hamilton 342 0-0 12
14 SUNY Brockport 266 0-0 15
15 Catholic 260 0-1 14
16 Messiah 237 0-1 13
17 SUNY Cortland 222 0-0 16
18 St. John Fisher 214 0-0 18
19 Tufts 166 0-0 19
20 Wesleyan (CT) 153 0-0 20
21 St. Mary's (MD) 130 2-0 NR
22 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 99 2-1 22
23 Bowdoin 88 0-0 23
24 Colorado College 55 0-1 21
25 Denison 53 1-0 24

I read right here on BOTC that Spallina has a new job lined up so it must be true.

If they win out during the regular season they will be seeded in the top four and the NCAA will try to give them the easiest path to the championship, The NCAA wants fans in the seats. Over the years the NCAA has done some pretty bad things come selection time both with bids and seeding (especially on the mens side). That said, Stony Brook will probably be deserving of a top 4 spot. There schedule is not too difficult but they have a handful of decent teams this year(USC, Northwestern, Towson, Penn State, Hopkins). Anything more than one loss and they should not get a top 4 seed. When I look at the top 15 or so teams I don't see many going undefeated,

From what I have seen..That SB team is very good. They move the ball very fast and with precision. I give them a very good shot at winning it all. And I am not from LI! That is a special group of players.

Love them, hate them, over rated under rated the transformation that has taken place there with Spallina is nothing short of incredible. There was a time that program was losing to Binghamton etc. I do not think they will win the entire thing but i also hope for them to be on final 4 because that type of excitement will help the sport them being a smaller conference school. Regardless this year is going to be fun UNC loses to JMU then beats Maryland. Maryland squeaks by Florida who is nearly picked off by an ok Loyola team. Duke beats northwestern but loses to VT. Who was dismantled by USC USC was beat soundly by SB and NW While handling ND. Fun stuff

That's not nice...

Interesting theory on fans in the seats and you might be right but don't forget that JS doesn't have many friends in the lacrosse establishment. Will be interesting to see it unfold

Has there ever been a NYS college team in any sport ranked #1?... i cant think of one in the last 20 years..
for two SUNY Schools to have number 1 lacrosse programs is very special, and should not be glossed over.
if either of them are lucky enough to win a championship it will be the stuff of Legend..

I"ll answer my own question..Syracuse has won more than a few National championships in mens Lax..
But its still impressive what happening this season..

not funny.

I believe he meant a state school as in SUNY not a school in the state of NY.

who cares, its week 3....

I don't see Spallina going anywhere. SBU has great facilities and is a great Academic Value. He's now coaching with the Yellow Jackets so he will have a pipeline of great players for the next 10 years.

money talks, BS walks.. double your salary, are you kidding me. would you leave the job you love, for double your salary. come-on-man

SB is going to be the X factor come NCAA championships as you really will not know how good they are playing such a weak schedule. As far as Spallina he is not going anywhere, you would have to more than double his salary for him to break even if he were to leave the area and as far as taking over the mens program why would the AD want that headache .

Because he wins everywhere that's why. And I have never heard a whisper of recruiting violations. He is a rule bender ON the field but he runs a clean program off and he wins that's all AD's want

Gardner Webb Update - they won a game and lost another to East Carolina in OT. Watch out!!!

I have, during his camps.

Who cares, they are done after this year...lucky to be top 30 in two years

He's a rule bender on and off the field

I can say this was said before and i was guilty few years ago i said on these boards “once the transfers graduate they are done”. agreed they will take a step back but that guy develops players and that goes a long way something that doesn’t happen at many other places. Every year my daughters school a fringe top 10 team gets tons of great recruits and Nothing happens It’s actually sad

Amazing how some Coaches at some top schools manage to ruin top recruits abilities

Since he said he is answering his own question, I think he is the he you are talking about - and therefore did mean any NYS school. Syracuse basketball has spent a fair amount of time ranked #1 too - granted, only once at the end of the year.

Syracuse Mens basketball several times.

I'd like to jump in on this comment. "a rule bender on the field" means exactly what? Is he violating any NCAA rules per the stated guidelines? Or is he pushing the interpretation of a rule to favor his team (as all good coaches at every level of sport do).

I'd like to know what rule (or rules) he is bending.

Sam Apuzzo wow... everyone says Ohlmiller has POTY wrapped up but look at Apuzzo. Puts up a ton of points in the ACC and has middie like stats in terms of draws,GBS and CTs. She is such a complete player, today she was face guarded and still put up 10 points. Apuzzo and Kent will be unstoppable together, if the rumor about Kent is true, watch out for BC next year.

Sam Apuzzo most complete player this year. big 2 at SB Ohmiller, murphy can not compete with her. come-on-man.

100%. I love watching her play. She makes it look easy.

Acacia has done an amazing job with that team. Look who's coming next year, Weeks twins and Medijid, stellar recruiting class. Although im surprised that Abbey Ngai has not been in net, she is dominate.

She is great. Lets see how BC does against a real top 15 team. Haven't played one yet, despite Navy's silly current ranking. 1 goal win over Michigan at home??? If Kent doesn't play they r not a top 10 team by end of year. Next year you are right, if kent plays they will be a final 4 contender again. Despite their highly overrated coach, btw.

Easy Coach.

Usc will beat them next week

agree w this completely

Ha ha. Not a coach. I just want to know what rules he is "bending".

Acacia is a barely passable coach. She is a good recruiter. Kinda like a used car saleswoman. Her assistants do the actual coaching.

ND is interesting situation year after top recruit after top recruit followed by mediocrity. How long can a school stay the course

Usc will beat them next week

USC will have to score more than 5 goals to beat BC. Only 5 goals scored vs Northwestern not a good offensive performance.

5 goals=not a good offensive performance...thanks Mr obvious

There are more bad coaches than good ones just like there is more average players than exceptional. That's why the same teams keep winning. Good coaches and good talent. Its so hard for these others teams to break into the elite with the coaches they have.

Also = great defensive performance.

Spot on!

If you were starting a team and you could pick Apuzzo, KO or McCool who would you pick. The answer to that question says a lot for who the best player in the country is. I'm sure there are other girls to consider but these are the big 3 in my opinion.

Also = great defensive performance.[/quot

Usc haters are going to say offense no good...Nw defender mom and dads will say amazing defense...everyone talking their own book...

Did you watch the game? Goalie made a bunch of saves (named Big ten D player of the week) and the backer zone was played very well. I think SB has a good zone defense. USC scored 10 against them without Kerrigan Miller. I think giving NUs D in that game credit is ok. Don't you?

McCool

East vs west again. NU plays a killer schedule of big time programs every year that's why even when they have 8 or 9 losses the get serious consideration for the tournament. It would be great if SB played the NU schedule. Then we would really get a feel of how good they were. Its a lot easier to get UP for every 4th or 5th game vs having to bring it almost every game. People have to stop with the cupcakes from the west USC, Stanford, Colorado Denver and the rest

I would have to go with Apuzzo #1, She does so much more than McCool. McCool 2nd best college player this year. 3rd is up for grabs, could be anybody.

Everyone has their opinion. thanks

Apuzzo or KO... both are better than Mcool

That's just a ridiculous statement, "so much more" .Offensively I think Apuzzo gets the nod slightly, at the draw I give McCool the edge but close, and defensively its not even close. There is a reason Apuzzo plays attack and you have to take into account that Apuzzo never comes out of a game while McCool does so you would expect Apuzzo to put up bigger numbers.Watch McCool on the defensive side , she may be the best 1 on 1 defender on the country. Apuzzo is no doubt a great player but if I were starting a team I would take the player that can do it all .That said I don't think Apuuzo gets the recognition she deserves.

Where have you been? Defense is easy, anyone can play it and it is not important .

whenever the conversation turns to a player that does it all, KO slips a little

KO should not even be in the conversaton with Apuzzo, McCool. KO good offensively, that's it. Apuzzo, McCool do everything.

Apuzzo is better on the draw than McCool. Apuzzo also is a menace in the ride.

wow, someone speaking lilke they really understand the sport. BTW, Apuzzo is a Mid who is playing Att. Would dominate both ends. Best player by far.

"wow, someone speaking lilke they really understand the sport. BTW, Apuzzo is a Mid who is playing Att. Would dominate both ends. Best player by far."

This may be the silliest comment I have read. If she is playing attack then she is not a mid.If she would dominate both ends then they would have her playing both ends but honestly is not fast enough .She has an amazing stick and lax IQ but not really elite midfielder type speed.

Whatever. The best player by far at the NCAA level likely won't see the field this year unfortunately. If she does, BC has a shot again. If she doesn't, next year BC will be unreal. Kenzie Kent, if she had not also been such a darn good hockey player, would have been a multiple time tewie winner. Fact. Still should have been last year. All the laxie elitists just can't stand that someone can not touch a stick for 9 months and then step on the field mid season and dominate every team and player in the country. If tewie is for best player, kent should already have one.

Apuzzo, is NOT a great defender. There are better 2 way middies including McCool. Everything else I would agree with what has been said. If I was taking one to start a team I would take appuzo her effect on the circle ,the offense and the ride would be enough for me. Great kid too!

If Mia Hamm would have played lax, would have been a 4x tewie...you bc koolaide drinking windbags gotta settle down...best players,best coach,best recruits and best hockey players...blah blah blah

Please , Kent is overhyped , she can score but that is it and Ohmiller is better at it than her , for that matter so is Murphy . What is there 3 women’s NCAA hockey teams , what a joke , so good at hockey . I hear Ohmiller is the best curler in the NCAA .

What happened to Albany this year?

Kent is not good at hockey.....

Is Kenzie Kent the best player in the country at the NCAA level?

Not sure of that. Doesn't have hands I hear.

please. She so much faster than ohmiller. Guess u didn't watch the finals last year. Carried the team on her back. 10 points. relentless ride. worked the draw circle. So much more valuable than oh. Oh is as one dimensional as they get. Murphy??? r u out of your mind???? what an SB DB

If any other player took 20+ shots in a game they would score goals too - everyone remembers the winning goal, but she played very poorly against MD

Albany does have a very young roster this year and a change at head coach. Not sure why the coaching change.

coaching change was late. They get a pass

They were ranked top 20 in preseason rankings no?

Again it just shows you how worthless all these pols are, the only one that matters is the last one

Stanford at Duke tomorrow ... prediction: Duke 15-10

1-3 start? Yikes.

I watched that game and was thinking the same exact thing. Reminded me of John Starks game seven NBA finals. He/she never stopped shooting regardless of a horrendous amount of misses. Extremely low percentage shots that ended up as possession changes. If your going to take a million shots at least aim for the pipe. Would rather see it go out of bounds and get the ball back or come off the pipe for a 50/50 ball. Yeah she had a few goals in the end and the game win assist, but overall it was an ugly game.

Stony Brook predictions for this weekend??

Anyone taking Northwestern?

SB 16-9

Honestly did you even watch the game . First off she did miss a lot of shots but of the 11 she missed 8 were recovered by UNC . I would much prefer they miss the goal entirely and if the low attack does their job its no problem , certainly better than throwing it in the goalies stick. “ Game win assist” or as they say the GWA , lol. She had the winnng goal. I guess the draw controls , more than any other player , or the awesome job on defense matters little . Sorry but Apuzzo and Ohmiller essentially play a weak schedule ,BC because their non conference schedule is an embarrassment , and SB conference schedule is an embarrassment .UNC plays a tougher schedule than just about every othe team , who plays a more difficult one ?

People are forgetting NW is adding a fantastic player that was out last year. They will win draws and the game NW 10-9

I agree, I believe all of the extra possessions NU will have due to their domination of the draw circle will be Stony Brook's demise. I hope not but you can't give a strong team that many more opportunities. NU 13 Stony Brook 11

NU will be NG after they face SB!

Defense = NU by a nose

Offense = SB

Draw = NU

Midfield = NU

Goalie = NU

So question is can SB's offense score enough to make up for the rest of the areas? They can. But won't. NU 11-10.

Say what you want about NW but I think we can all agree that they don't duck anyone:
Northwestern -Colorado, Duke, USC, SB, Marquette, UNC, Michigan, Syracuse, Hopkins, Penn, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers

Stony Brook - USC, Stanford, Denver, NW, Michigan, Delaware, Towson, U Mass, Vermont, Cornell, Hartford, Binghampton, Hopkins, New Hampshire, UMBC, Penn State, Albany

For the conspiracy theorists saying JS might leave this year, well you might be right. SB is under a hiring freeze and is $18 million in debt. Their union workers have been without a contract since 2016 in a good economy. It's going to be very hard to give any a coach a raise. So say he wins the championship his stock would never be higher to make a move for a big payday. Makes you think. Hmmmmmmm

Stony Brook is a very good team and their schedule has improved in recent years. Nice to see Northwestern, Penn State, USC, Towson etc... Would like to see Florida on there as well.

Northwestern 13 Stony Brook 11

SBU for the win for sure. Team is on fire!

enjoy this year SB. the school was lucky to get this talent all ot once. after 2018 its back to being mediocre. SB cannot recruit like the big 5 scholls can.

Yeah. He is gone.

When a conspiracy theory is actually proved to be true, it's just a conspiracy.

JS situation will be just that.

they won't enjoy it ultimately because the will lose (again) in the NCAAs when they have to play more than one top team in a row. And then they will whine and show their lack of sportsmanship one last time as the program fades back into obscurity.

Tewaaraton List is out. What a joke...50 girls?? How many really have a shot? maybe 5. and we all know its going to BC or UNC.
come-on-man

Congratulations to all the girls who were recognized.

like hofstra

People forget NONE of the big players at SB were big recruits not one of them they do something many many others don’t do. They take talent and dvelop. Imagine if places like ND did that. They may not be as strong extra few years as this year. But they will stay relevant. Some of these bigger schools constantly disappoint

They keep trying to force the growth and excitement of the game but in the end its still just a few players at a few schools. Sport still needs quality depth

Actually the front runner is from SB but putting the 3 SB players on the list who all do essentially the same thing may make the obvious even more so. They will each put up huge numbers this year but they may make each others accomplishments seem to be more related to the schedule they play and somewhat less spectacular. Seems the PR machine for SB is working well and surprised the left coast star not on the popularity list.

That’s a very fair point and i agree they won’t be a top 5-10 but also will not fall out of top 20 Regardless just turned March why are we talking about the 2019 season

Seems this year defense accross the board is very average teams like Florida ,UNC Maryland BC allowing a ton of goals

BC? have they ever had a good defense? Cmon

Everyone ready to crown the BC players with all these awards for putting up big numbers against weak teams. I also see people bashing teams schedules BC coming off a National championship game appearance playing some incredibly weak teams. Remember coaches can pick their non conference games and are stick with their conference games Should BC be playing Bingo voluntarily

Two ways to get there. Northwesten has gotten in by losing 9 games to good teams, others like BC and SB play a cupcake schedule and hop for a bid with no losses. No way the west every cracks the tournament with their terribly weak schedules

Transparent trolling. Dude, give it a rest.

Only top 20 next year because of recent reputation and weak schedule which won't expose them as much. Next year they will have the talent of a 20-35 team. This year, they are overrated. In the sense that they are not one of the top 2 teams in the country (preseason rank #2 and now #1) ... they are a top 5-6 team. They will not win the national championship. Promise. They are too weak in the midfield (yes kennedy can fly) and their D is a step down from last year. Goalie is good, not great. Draw??? Anyone, anyone??? If they get an easy draw they might make final 4, otherwise it's round of 8 bye bye again.

Hahhahahah he didnt want to get killed by Florida again

florida is not killing SB. Maryland, unc, maybe not florida.

Bitter daddy’s talking about next year early in March lolol

Stanford beat Duke 15-5 today wow

I know i know duke stinks Stanford stinks. Everyone stinks besides your daughters team. Btw exactly who is good lol

was was reference to last year

Another daddy that thinks he is quint Kessinich. Come on buddy stop the hate. This year is a crap shoot plain and simple how is BC Schedule? UNC lost to JMU Maryland plays no defense and has taken a step back. Stop the hate it’s boring

Stanford With a very impressive win over Duke Cue up the hate

So the way you tell a poster to stop the hate is by hating on other programs , thanks Einstein.

Looks like Stanford has enough dexterity to catch and throw enough to beat Duke. Just saying.

For which one? Both so hatable ...

NU with a solid win over USC. I still say USC is among the over-ranked.

Stanford is a very good team and will continue to prove that

Wow that came out of no where .Prediction SB 16 NW8

And a solid loss to a bad Duke team...I still say NU among the over-ranked.

This is the Stanford guy that said he wasn't. They aren't a very good team. The are a decent team. They have a pathetic schedule. This is the team that lost to Denver. A Denver team that lost 16-3 to SB. Give it a rest already.

Solid loss? by 1? Without the best draw woman in the country playing. ok. NU is over ranked at 10? please. Go learn something about the game.

Easy to say that but give us your top 5 NW w Fredricks back is very very good She’s a difference maker at the draw

First 5 no particular order:
SB
UNC
Maryland
Syracuse
Florida

Next 5 same:
Northwestern
BC
Virginia
JMU
Penn

A NU fan but think these are pretty close, except I would flip Syracuse and BC

Until BC plays somebody decent, they get no love. To say they were finalists last year doesn't cut it. Kent isn't playing.

NU put up a good fight but were outmatched today at home.

After this weekend, here is how the polls will read Monday... (in order)

1 SBU
2 BC
3 FL
4 UNC
5 MD

UNC is dropping like a stone. They’re just not that good anymore.

UNC is a ‘has been’

Hey beat Maryland last week. Lolol

6. Syracuse
7. JMU
8. Northwestern
9. Penn
10. Virginia

But Northwestern will be out of the top 10. Shouldn't be.

Poor offensive execution but I wouldn't say overmatched. Stick check changes game from 10-9 to 11-8 w 10 to play. That makes it more like a 14-11 game. And Northwestern dominated time of possession. They need to play better on offense, but outmatched is a bit of an overstatement.

Let's take a good look at SB schedule. NH. Lowell. Hartford. Really? QU beat up on Hartford. It's a joke

Maryland isn’t that good either anymore.
Stony Brook number 1 as they should be.

Why should they be number one? Haven’t beat Md FL or UNC recently , who have they beat to be # 1?

Exactly!!!! And they don't play any of them 🤔

To be fair they don't have a choice it's their conference teams don't choose that . Plus rankings should be based on where you started and what you have done so far. Unc hurts your argument loss to JMu and smacked around by Florida even a close game with high point.

BC does not have a very strong out of conference schedule

Yes, the illegal stick she used all game in the draw circle. Good point. I don't think it would have made much of a difference but you've got to wonder.

I think she uses a draw stick and switches it out on offense .

Georgetown is much improved which is great to see looking forward to seeing some Acc action today

Didn’t see the game so curious how the stick check against NU gave SB a goal (from 10 to 11)? And who’s to say she would have scored without it being illegal? Tough to argue that getting caught cheating cost them.

It’s a good thing for Maryland and UNC they don’t have to play Stony Brook or they would each have one more loss.

Don’t feed the trolls but i do agree. Neither seems to be in sync currently Florida and SB seem top but people it’s barely March!!

Thats all well and good in the beginning of march, lets wait and see how this ends.

lol Florida bArely could beat Loyola

Virginia Syracuse game is a good one!
I picked Virginia

To be clear. LI folks now think using illegal sticks is cheating. Good to know. I usually hear them saying "everyone does it, it's a bogus call".

And lost to Maryland. Of course the thing to notice hear is... Florida has played UNC and Maryland out of conference, UNC has played Maryland out of conference and JMU,NU, Florida on schedule ... NU schedules Stony Brook, UNC, Syracuse, ND, USC, Penn out of conference ... A lot easier playing one or two tough teams weeks apart. Sad.

Syracuse Virginia was a great one today. Syracuse Fell short! very physical game

Syracuse was very physical. Helmets starting to have unintended consequences already?

Entertaining game ,but both teams were more sloppy than I would have thought.

Neck and neck whole game. Cuse goalie off second half

They have maybe 3 players wearing helmets.

At one point they had 6 on the field at the same time with helmets and at least 6 more on the sidelines. Watch the game before you post on here.

They have a lot more than three, maybe thirteen.

Gary is changing the game and it is not for the good. Something needs to be done about the blatant cross checks to the back and heads.

Glad the Cuse fans haven't changed either, they sounded as bad as they did in College Park a couple of years ago.

Va wasn't innocent but Syracuse is always this bad.

They have more like 8 [players wearing helmets, I said it before 'cause will never win because of the hectic, undisciplined style of play, but for the record, with a 60 seconds left UVA's goalie has the ball behind the crease, when the 'cuse attacker gets within 5 yards of her she dumps the ball in the crease, that i a goal circle violation and the ball should have been given to the 'cuse attacker on the dot with the goalie 3 meters behind, this is the rule as it is written and has not been changed
Section 18. Once a team gains possession of the ball in the goal circle and the ball is cleared the team must not return the ball to their goal circle until the ball has been played by another player.
NOTE: The Goalkeeper (or her deputy) gains possession of the ball in the goal circle and passes or carries it out of the goal circle with her crosse. It has been "cleared." To be “played”, the ball must leave her crosse and be touched by another player or her crosse must be checked by an opponent.

As usual in woman Lacrosse the refs don't know the rules and blew a major call that would have almost certainly have resulted in a game tying goal. the goal circle rules take up only 2 pages of the rule book and these morons can't get a simple call correct

Watch the game. I'm at the games. Two offensive and one defensive player had helmets on today. Two others wore prior due to concussions. Defender who got nailed in the head with a ball today probably wishes she had one on.

Very true. But where was Gait? I didn't him screaming about it during the play. Not that he should have to but ...

The buzz is that Syracuse is being paid handsomely to wear the helmets from Cascade. Them acting the way they do is mere coincidence

Draw controls NU 18-9. So it would stand to reason that if goal stands, NU has a 66.666% chance of getting possession. So at the very least, SB does not score 15 seconds later and there is a decent chance score is 10-10 by end of sequence. So yeah, it was a two goal swing.