Use this thread to discuss lacrosse pertaining to 11th Grade Boys (2025 Grads) for the Fall 2023/Summer 2024 Season.

A few post-9/1 thoughts:

- If you still think 'best club team' or wins and losses really matter then you're not doing what's best for your son or daughter
- The so-called "expertise" you find here and on other forums is the exact opposite
- You definitely do not need to be on a big brand team to get D1 attention on Day 1
- Every kid is going to be different so stop comparing your son or daughter to their friends/teammates/opponents
- Inside Lacrosse is doing a great podcast series with coaches that covers recruiting. You'll learn a lot by listening.

Curious what people think about St. John's. Almost all of the 2025 commits I've seen have been at top-10 schools but then I saw St. John's got a kid from Connetquot this week.

Agree with most of this: most expertise on this forum is anecdotal or emotional opinion.

Ironically I do think you may have an emotional bias against big name clubs which is maybe my one point of disagreement. Which non big brand club (outside top 50) had a Sep commit so far. Genuinely curious and I haven’t done the research on all the commits but I feel like they have almost all been Big Brand Club or Big Brand High School

St Johns will lose to most of the top D3 and D2 schools and should not be D1 lax. They will never draw big talent they have nothing to offer. High School locker rooms a horrible stadium for games (not really a stadium) no college atmosphere no football. Kids want it all and they have none of it. Plus most kids don't want to live in Queens sorry

Scroll down the D1 commitments page on Inside Lacrosse and there are 2 from public High Schools on LI. 1 plays for not a big brand club. One plays for the club combo team.

Nearly every other D1 commit so far is from a private high school.

I agree with everything you said but I do feel they might be a team on the rise in the few years. The new coach is being very aggressive with recruiting. He has a lot of potential. the 25's will be his third class but it will be the second class that he had a chance to start recruiting in September. When they parted ways with the last coach ( who should have been let go years ago) He had already missed out most if not all the 23's. He was recruiting the 23' nd 24's at the same time
I thought Turri was a great hire. They have a lot going against them (all the things you listed) but i think we can produce some good teams in a few years.

That is true. There were no LI players who didn’t get mentioned on the Inside Lacrosse list not from 91 and Express. The reason is the exposure of certain clubs vs other clubs. Now are there are players that are worthy, but just didn’t get seen by NLF or IL. Ultimately it won’t limit opportunities, they just have to work more now and go to prospect days and showcases this fall and make their own exposure. The NLF has tilted the table to the benefit of NLF clubs and teams that play in NLF events, imho.

are the kids that are committing now to the big schools, on average what kind of package do those kids get? Notre Dame Duke UNC etc?

Is it public knowledge which schools are not fully funded?

Based from my 2022 experience. Every kid is different. My 22 was offered packages along a wide scale For example. The 2 patriot league schools he liked only had a small amount of academic the big 10 schools had a combo athletic and academic that tuition almost the same as a SUNY

Fully funded? Your kid is not getting a full ride. He’s getting enough to equal out the cost of a State school. That’s it, combination of athletic and academic. If he doesn’t have the grades, figure out the cost per credit for NCC.

Getting some of the top schools at same cost of SUNY is a huge win.

And by fully funded, he’s talking about which programs have the max amount of scholarship money allowed to be distributed to the team. Some programs are not fully funded and don’t have the full 12.6 or whatever the number is now scholarships to distribute.

On pure scholarship money on average around 25% at those schools for a top recruit. The top player at their position might get more.

Poor families will get financial aid on top. What is also happening this year is the big 10, ACC have NIL money to offer. That is going to get bigger every year.

I assume the money funded programs have to work with is based on their cost of tuition but does a UNC have 12.6 scholarships at the out of state price ($50k) or in state price ($9k)

You’re not getting Duke or any other private at SUNY costs unless your kid is a top 3 talent. You would have gotten a lot more if you went to a big school and played club, like UT.

Does anyone know which patriot league schools are not fully funded

I have a lower ranked kid on a well known club. This site should be about sharing info so that is what I am willing to do. I'll ignore the likely flaming comments but I will answer any recruiting question anyone has if they care. It is shocking to me how little true information is out there on what to expect, what to do. My sons facts (without giving away too much so not identified).

He isn't a five star but a good player. Was not getting texts at midnight 9/1 but has heard from a broad range of schools over the first two weeks. Some honest about where he stands (down their list) and others (low end D1) being aggressive on scheduling visits.


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It seems like offers have gone out and now schools are waiting for responses before they can offer others?

From my understanding and this IS NOT fact. Just here say. None of the patriot league’s schools have the full amount of scholarships most have none to only a few.

He’s talking about schools that are funded for max scholarships not his kid. Jeez 🙄

Largely true for top 25 D1. Next two weeks will clear the decks and the food fight or the top players will be done.
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Thank you, as this is what the forum should be about, not bashing middle and high school kids. In your or anyone else’s opinion that wants to respond, Which showcases are worth going to if your child is a freshmen?

NONE, Nobody is looking at freshman. If you want to see where they stack up in relations to other players than maybe, otherwise save your money

Agreed. It can be useful to help your kid with self-awareness of his skill level but other than getting on large lists of kids willing to spend money to attend camps there isn't a lot of value. 2024s are still being recruited right now.

Every college program right is looking at transfer portals and 2024's, next 2025's. Only the top % of 2026 are recognized at this point, if that

NIL money is non existent for lacrosse players, especially in the Power 5 conference schools. All that money is slated for Football and basketball. There is nothing for lacrosse. It’s all on google, just search it up. Same amount of NIL money for men’s lacrosse as there is for women’s field hockey.

MY opinion go to an SEC school play club and enjoy the college experience I wish my older son did that. He's playing D-1 and honestly doesn't really love it anymore full time job. So dads make sure your kid is up to the challenge of school work and basically another 3hrs a day of Lax. Hopefully my younger guy takes my advice lol good luck.

Can’t agree with this more. A lot of kids want to commit for the sake of committing and end up at subpar d3 and d1 schools both lacrosse wise and academically. Play MCLA and travel to play teams like BC Clemson GaTech USC UCLA etc

Smart man, wise words for a lot of moms and dads to heed!

Your kid doesn't want to play lacrosse for 3 hours a day? Sounds like he never should have played D1. Or at all in college.

And many kids have a great 4 years at schools they might not have been accepted at otherwise. Everyone is different there is not right or wrong answer.....

I'm not the original poster but you sound like a hard that is living through your child. The guy gave an honest response.

That dude never ever played a sport before, like a good number of “lax dads” but now he’s an expert on everything college sports. Probably 5’6” and 240lbs if blubber, but he knows all about college sports.

I would agree with this sentiment as lax does open the door for some but I would venture to say that those kids are in the minority, being able to punch above their academic weight class because of lax. I don’t have stats so I’m just venturing a guess that maybe top 20 academic D1 schools and top 15 academic d3 schools are very hard to get in and lax may have helped them but many of the other schools, kids can get in with or without lax. And then you have the reverse where kids will choose a less competitive school just to commit and play lax. I think the point was that MCLA offers some incredibly amazing options that quite frankly are not spoken about enough because it’s “club”. Some (not a lot) of those club teams would beat many d3 and d2 teams and maybe even a few d1

Does anyone have any advice on how to find a strong MCLA program with more formal coaching and team selection? I think it's potentially a great option for my son but some seem more loosely organized than others.

It’s a great question. There are no great answers. What I can tell you to look at:
-clubs are in three division levels and they are not based by size like the NCAA is. D1 usually has the best teams
-you can find historical MCLA records and see how competitive a team has been over the years. Teams like GaTech, GA, FL, Northeastern, Michigan State, BC, Wake, Stanford, TX, Chapman are doing well and some have always been good and indicative of how good they are
-some teams have tryouts and are very competitive. Some don’t have tryouts and sometimes cannot even field a team from year to year
-look at their schedule. A lot of teams have extensive traveling with their clubs without a lot of flying. Usually indicative of a competitive squad. That being said Club lax is not cheap for the student / parent

In the it is probably very enriching. Would you rather be at Florida or BYU playing against each other or would you rather say you are “committed “ to low d1 d2 d3 for the sake of saying you committed. Give me the former but I understand it’s different strokes for different folks. Hope this helps.

This couldn't be more wrong. The new coaching staff is going to make that program something special.

When you say college club lacrosse "isn't cheap" what are you talking? Similar to the prices we've already been paying for travel? More? Less?

St Johns will lose to most of the top D3 and D2 schools and should not be D1 lax. They will never draw big talent they have nothing to offer. High School locker rooms a horrible stadium for games (not really a stadium) no college atmosphere no football. Kids want it all and they have none of it. Plus most kids don't want to live in Queens sorry

This couldn't be more wrong. The new coaching staff is going to make that program something special.

I'm the original poster, I hope you are right. I've heard great things about the new coach, but I just don't see it sorry. The old coaching staff tried to sell the kids on going to the garden for Knick games and to watch St Johns Bball at the garden. Sell them on a 25min train ride into the city, NYC isn't what it was 20yrs ago. Unfortunately, the garden lost its luster plus the kids nowadays can care less about what happened at he garden 30-50yrs ago. Listen good luck to St johns I hope they become a top 10 program but IMHO it will never happen.

It’s kinda simple. It’s hard for a team that didn’t win a game last year to get 4 star level recruits. So they get really good players, just not kids in the top 75 or so. I think they will be better and more competitive. But they have to develop and get some luck with their recruits before they are winning the big east imho.

It’s more. Kids and parents play for everything including travel, gear etc. Some have some funds allocated or donations but most are self funded.

Can be up to $2500 but there is a lot of fundraising. Look at the SEC. They have some very competitive teams

My nephew played for LSU. The fees were around $2500 plus fundraising means hitting the family up for money. At the time he played (few years ago) each kid had a dollar amount they needed to raise. If they did not hit that amount the parents had to pay it. They had some funds from the school allocated for the team. In the end it was slightly cheaper than playing for Exprees or 91 when you factor in all the extra money for traveling g etc. he absolutely loved it. He loved the school. But it’s not for everyone. Explore all options for your kid and guide them to what is best for them. Don’t compare your kid to anyone else Each kid is on their own path. Do what is right for yours.

Love hearing stories like this. And totally agree; find what works for your kid. Just don’t commit to a school just you can say you committed. So many kids make that short term four year decision to play lax which turns out to be the wrong lifetime decision. If I was to rank what my choices would be (yes only my opinion) if I was to take into account lax + academics I would rank it in this way:

High d1 (top 20 programs)
High D3 (top 15 programs)
MCLA d1
MClA D2
mid d1

The rest of the d2, mid-low d3 and low d1 are a crapshoot. It’s not to say people don’t do great academically and have great college careers and lives; I’m just saying I wouldn’t be committing to those schools when I have the above 5 choices.

What are the top 25 D1 programs?

It depends what you want out of it but for me a top 20 program is a combination of both good academics + good lax but that’s not everyone’s priority. Mind you that any kid who goes to any school and gets and education is good in my book. But my (just an opinion) top 20 dual threat academics + lax (with academics > lax in terms of weight)

1) Duke
2) yale
3) notre dame
4) hopkins
5) penn
6) cornell
7) virginia
8) Princeton
9) Michigan
10) gtown
11) UNC
12) Maryland
13) Harvard
14) Brown
15) Army
16) Navy
17) Rutgers
18) BU
19) Penn state
20 Syracuse

Honorable mention academic mention to Dartmouth and Colgate - terrible lax

Honorable lax mention to Denver

Just Outside the top 20: Richmond, lehigh, Ohio state, nova, Air Force

Lax is just one of those sports where the best lax schools are also the best academic schools. Not really the case in college football, basketball, hockey or baseball.

Solid list, I'd put Princeton top 5. They're ranked the number 1 university in the US and they have been stocking up on blue chip recruits. Don't be surprised if you see them do extremely well in the next several years (multiple final four appearances and possibly NCAA title games). Their 2023 freshman class is especially talented with about 5 players that could start as freshman

I would love to move Princeton up. Like Madalon as coach. They’ve underperformed lax wise which is why they are down at 8 but academically, I have them only behind MIT and Stanford (yup MCLA is a good option for your kids too) in my book. But in all honesty anything in the top 16 is splitting hairs. All amazing.

2020 Princeton looked like they had a strong chance to go deep in the NCAA playoffs and make a push for the natty. Too bad that season was cut short. 2021 looked promising for them too, unfortunately no season that year for the Ivies. They had a down season last year but I don’t expect that to be the norm over there based on their coaching and quality of recruits

Agreed. They are on the precipice. But the teams in front have had a better track record thus far so unfortunately potential doesn’t count. But maybe next year….

Well academics are a big deal with lacrosse because there is no future earnings to be made from it. Not from playing or coaching. Just think, most lacrosse parents will spend well over $40,000 on club lacrosse for about $4,000 in scholarship money. That’s an awful investment, bless you’re an owner of a club team.

It's really not a bad investment when you consider how competitive it's become to get into college. Kids with 4 gpas and 1400 SATs are being waitlisted or deferred at all those schools listed above. ACC, Big 10, Ivy, half of the Big 10 and the top 2 of the Big East have become a reach for all but the best students.

Agreed ...and that $40000 is the minimum (annual club fees only ) you're in for about 8-10k per year after travel expenses , training etc.....so we are talking about dumping close to 100k into a dead end . fool but hey everyone is doing it so evrifalla in line . Always hear people complain about the cost of things but no one complains to any club owner about their fees while they get rich

Stop with the waste of money. What are you going to do with your kid that costs no money. Sit around every weekend, prep for the SAT's and go on hikes? Love the outdoors and school is important but my kid likes to compete.

I would still say it’s not a prudent investment, somewhat akin to playing the lottery. Take all the high school club lax players, the amount getting into those top schools is extremely low so while it works for a chosen few, the majority don’t get into those schools. Looking at the list of those schools, I would say 13 of those, lax would be needed to get in. With 10-15 spots per college per year that’s only 130-185 spots. Finally yale into account, those schools you still need really darn good grades to get in (they ain’t taking 1200 SATs and 3.0) I would say that some of those players may get in regardless of lax. Take that number and divide by high school club lax and the percentages are still pretty low. They just seem a lot higher because social media only posts these commits.

But anyone who plays lax for the investment reason, I have a few stocks I would like to sell you. I am hoping the Marjority of us do it for the love of the game, to build better character and learn about life. But I have a feeling sports in general is getting away from that

Is that you, Bernie Sanders? Club owners are allowed "to get rich", just like you are. If you think you can do it better for less, go ahead...

No need to blame your personal failures on others. Work harder.

Take one of the "easiest" schools on that top 25 list above to get into, Lehigh. The sat range is 1340-1490 and the average GPA is 3.9. The "normal" non-athlete doesn't have much of a chance. Lacrosse is a good bet.

No it isn’t, your SAT score will need to be at least the lower range and your GPA will have to be at the level required. If you think otherwise you haven’t been there yet. And the scholarship money is peanuts.

Wrong. If you think all the lacrosse players in the ivies have met that school's lower range of the SAT scores you have no idea what you're talking about. Princeton is 1500-1580. That means if you scored a 1500, you're in the lowest quartile of the admissions class. There is NO way Princeton or any school can put together a championship team made only of kids who got over a 1500 on their SAT. You couldn't be more wrong.

I love it when I hear this BS....I know many kids who have gotten into top schools without playing a sport . Academics is still king . Go look at all of the of the better academic high schools and see wherr their kids are going . Some kids are part of the chess club with high grades and get in to the school of their choice . So get a clue and stop drinking lacrosse club kook aid

Not true. Depends on how many stars next to your name. Fact of the matter is, schools have to balance the GPA's across the team and their recruiting class. A 4.0 allows them to grab a 3.0. Your SAT scores arent relevant as the recruits havent even taken them yet. If a team has 8 recruits with 4.5 they can have at 2x 2.5. Seen it happen. Ivys def different but published GPA's and test ranges do not apply to the 10-12 recruits per college class. Again, money is dependent on stars but whatever, if lax gets you in to one of those listed schools with no test taken and a 3.0 Im happy to pay, especially if it is UNC which full price out of state is the same as if you got a scholarship to one of the other schools. Invest in your kid. Wouldnt make it the only angle but if it pays out it pays out in spades.

Leave the rankings to the pros. #3 on the bogus list above got spanked yesterday at Gtown Prep. ND might have lost to GP is there was a game 2.

I don't think you realize how competitive its become. I went through this with my older child who didn't play a sport. 1400 SAT and 3.9 GPA and got denied from Northeastern on Early Action. The population of the country went from 240 million approx in the mid 1990s when we all went to college to 330 million today. That's a 38% increase in students without any increase in the amount of universities. More people chasing the same spots leads to inflation of entry requirements. If you think your typical lax kid would be able to get into Lehigh, let alone an Ivy, without lax you're just not getting it. The kids who are getting into those schools have exceptional board scores, high GPAs with AP classes and ridiculous extra-curriculars, not to mention killer essays. Straight A's aren't enough. Maybe a certain percentage of lax kids would meet those requirements regardless, but that's a very small percentage. Lax remains one of the few ways a normal kid from the suburbs can gain entry into an elite institution.

Not a single 2025 commit on IL, other than the 2024's that committed and reclassed maybe, have taken the SAT's or ACT or will have to submit those scores EVER. If you are IL top 50 odds are, other than IVY, you are getting into those schools with a 3.0-3.5.

IL lost thrown to NLF,not apples to apples.

Im sorry, what “pros” are ranking schools based on academics + lax? I guess you didn’t bother to read the post but this was a ranking of BOTH academics AND lax. I don’t think IL or NCAA are taking into account academic rigor when they do their rankings. And this was clearly an opinion. But the irony is reading comprehension may be an issue for you which is why you only focused on wins and losses. But please share the lax ranking service that takes into account academic rigor.

And that being said, #3 ND winning a championship and their excellent academics moves them up to 3. But maybe next year will be different

I don’t disagree with you. I do realize how competitive it is now and much of it driven by test optional and suspect ranking devices. My point was that except for a very select few standouts, most people should not be doing lacrosse to get into the highest academic schools because the chances are slim. But that being said, lax never hurst as it builds teamwork, character, and strengthens resumes in general and definitely helps poor-average students punch above their weight class to get into schools they may not have ever gotten into but those students aren’t getting into the top 20 academic lax schools. In fact ive seen more of the opposite where a kid “punches down” choosing a lax commitment just to say they committed when they could have gotten into a much better school that has MCLA or no lax . But everyone has their own priorities.

True. You don’t usually take SATs until between your junior and senior year or during senior year so most if not all 2025s lax or no lax, have taken SATs as they are still taking PSATs. I would imagine with test optional most won’t need to except for schools that require it. 3.0 may be a stretch for most the top schools though with exception of a couple of slots.

Im sorry, what “pros” are ranking schools based on academics + lax? I guess you didn’t bother to read the post but this was a ranking of BOTH academics AND lax. I don’t think IL or NCAA are taking into account academic rigor when they do their rankings. And this was clearly an opinion. But the irony is reading comprehension may be an issue for you which is why you only focused on wins and losses. But please share the lax ranking service that takes into account academic rigor.

And that being said, #3 ND winning a championship and their excellent academics moves them up to 3. But maybe next year will be different[/quot

Certain you got your nerd head stuck in lots of toilets with wedgies.Go back to playing computer games.

I think there's a sense of punching down where smart lax kids choose a lower academic school just so they can say them committed to play D1 lacrosse, but I think that sense is based on an outdated assessment of what type of school a kid with a 4.0 GPA and 1400 SAT should be able to get into. In 1995, that kid was more than eligible for all ACC and Big 10 and most other schools outside of the Ivies Today that same kid is reaching to get into Tier 3 schools. So are they really punching down, or do we need to readjust our understanding of the reality of college admissions in the 20s? Go onto the boards where hopeful students are discussing admission to Northeastern. You'd be shocked to see the stats of kids who aren't making it. Worse, 10 years from now the amount of commits from Long Island to D1 schools will be halved as the game grows across the country and competition for the already limited spots available will increase. At some point in the not to distant future the Long Island lacrosse commit will be almost as rare as the soccer or baseball commit.

College programs with championships Cuse 11, Hop 9, UVA 7, PU 6, UNC 5, UMD 4, CU 3, Duke 3, Denver 1, Yale 1, ND 1

Hahahaha. Nerd head? Wedgies? darn we just traveled back to high school with this Biff Tannen. Man, what time capsule did they dig you out of. Feel sorry for your kid cuz the apple prolly don’t fall far from this pathetic tree.

Talkin about now. Where would be the best combination of school and lax today. Respect Syracuse history but I wouldn’t be choosing them today over the other schools. Good school but not as good as the ones above it academically. Cowboys have won the most NFC super bowls but nobody ain’t crowning them as the best for decades.

Don’t disagree with all this. The college applications arms race is getting out of hand. I what were once target and safety schools are becoming reach schools. But when I say punching down, I’m thinking about people commuting to low d1 schools when they can go to a high d3 or people committing to a low d1 or d2 or d3 schools for the sake of committing when they could go to an amazing MCLA school. But in the end, any kid that gets into any school is a good thing even if they punched down just to say they committed. Everyone has their own priorities

Yes. I would agree. Citing past championships is not an indicator of current results and top recruiting. It definitely helps and there is not shortage of kids who want to go to Syracuse and Hopkins as they are great destinations but their relevance as of late has been muted.

You suffer from recency bias. And that is totally normal from a psychological basis, particularly before your first or only has played college ball. Before our first played college, thought in a naive sense like you are. Making rushed judgements, going off recent scores or the prior season, it is just human nature. Everyone is a rookie once right so do not feel badly here. Everyone needs a coach and happy to be that for you. My fellow JETS fans can really understand what is being said right, it helps having a CHIEFS friend if you get the analogy. When you get a greater sense of college dynamics, how it is played, whether a coaching staff is any good, you start to look at the bigger picture better. In a way, you will be able to see the forest through the trees.

Of course I suffer from recency bias. This is where I want my kid to go “now”. For academics + lax? I would choose duke, yale and ND any day and 10 times over as opposed to Syracuse (I’ll admit Hopkins wouldn’t be a bad landing place). heck yeah I have recency bias. That’s the whole point of the post. Who has the best combination of academics + lax and where do I want to send my kid TODAY, not “all time”. You act like recency bias is a bad thing in this case. I’m going to go out on a limb snd say duke, yale and ND coaching are “pretty good”

And to continue your football analogy and we look at “ownership” as the “academic” component and football performance as the “lax” component , still no one is picking the jets because they are bad at both. But I would definitely choose the chiefs because their “recent” success as well as their standout ownership makes my recency bias picking them as the team to play for now not the patients or cowboys or Steelers who have the most titles (though those miners are looking darn good)

And to be honest, if we are picking “all time” I still wouldn’t put Syracuse at the top. Their academics, albeit very good, are not as good as the schools at the top. With your recency bias argument you are completely leaving out the academic component. If you go back and look at the original post the rankings also take into account academics. If I’m not mistaken, yale, ND and duke were all pretty good academically recently and in the past.

Just not sure what you are trying to state but I welcome the conversation.

Where did this guy come from? What’s wrong laddie, detest having normal lax conversations? Are the words too big for you? I guess you would rather talk about holdback dads, how great it is to be an Outlaw, how the Rebels will win everything, how notIntelligent the WS is, Matt Chandon stinks and Team 91 is terrible because that’s what usually is on these forums. You probably own a truck that you don’t know how to drive with the calvin and Hobbes pissing sticker and balls hanging from the undercarriage, scream at officials from the sideline and yell wheels at your kid.

So to dense it down to your level, what a stunad.

This is the 2025 forum. Might want to reach out to some realistic programs because you would already know by now if your player was headed to these schools.

Yes many of these schools have many 2025s already. But even Shay says they always leave 1-2 slots all the way through the summer.

Nonetheless I wasn’t referring to 25s still making a decision; I was bringing up a hypothetical ranking of the top 20 dual threat schools, academics and good lax. This was brought up in the context of what would be the preferred order of choosing schools and for me it was

-d1 top 20
-d3 top 15ish
-top MCLA schools (GaTech, Stanford, BC etc)
-mid-high d1

Would also strongly consider a top D2. They give athletic scholarships unlike D3.

I think Penn State is outside the top 20, as its academics are weak, and replace it with Ohio State, Nova or Lehigh. Penn state is the flip side of Dartmouth

D1 lacrosse is a far, far greater time commitment than playing "3 hours a day," especially at all of the high profile non-Ivies we've been talking about in this thread.

Any kid who goes to school or a trade school is a win. D2s give good money but unfortunately they fall short in the academic side. I think Bentley is decent but the rest are just OK. D2 gray if going for lax only but if lax and academics are a consideration, then d2 may not be right for you

Can’t disagree with that. Penn state is only in the top 20 because of their lax success. But yea if going off academics alone OSU, nova, Lehigh as well as Richmond, Lafayette, Syracuse, Bucknell, UMass are all better. But the ranking is academics + lax

If you're only getting $4k in scholarship money you maybe overestimated how good your kid is at lacrosse. I don't mean that in a mean way. You just didn't consider your ROI very well.

There seems to be an awful lot of 'expertise' flying around in this forum this week.

YOU may want your kid to go to an Ivy or a 'top 20' school but can he or she handle it academically on top of playing lacrosse? Do those schools have the majors/programs your son or daughter are interested in?

I know the kids want to commit to a "top" school in their (and their friends') eyes but just like playing for a big brand club team isn't for everyone, neither is going to a "top" academic school only to struggle or fail.

There is way too much judgmental bs on this board. Every kid should find their own place in the lacrosse and college world.

That all said, paying to play on a club team in college seems fool.

In addition to the "athletic and Team sport benefits and life lessons" lacrosse is about helping our children get into the best school possible. Many of the schools listed below have Division I Lacrosse Programs and without lacrosse it would be very difficult for our children to get into them.

Below are some rankings of where some of the Major Players in Investment Banking, Consulting and Big Tech hire from they are known as "Target Schools". Just want to point out the opportunities Lacrosse can provide for our children. The rankings are primarily in order of "number undergraduate hires" from each school.

Not knocking or touting any schools just pointing out Many of the schools that lacrosse can help get kids into are also feeder schools into many of the most lucrative careers at some of the best companies in three particular industries.

Not every kid knows what career path they want to pursue so choosing a school that can open as many doors as possible is very important. In many cases, it will be the school "name recognition and or prestige" that will help get their foot in the door with an interview (lacrosse connections help as well).


Investment Banking: BOA, Barclays, Citi, Goldman Sachs, JPM, Morgan Stanley etc... Recent Grads (2014 - 2019)

1 - Penn
2 - NYU
3 - Michigan
4 - Harvard
5 - Georgetown
6 - Cornell
7 - Yale
8 - Columbia
9 - Notre Dame
10 - Princeton
11 - U of Chicago
12 - Cal - Berkeley
13 - Texas
14 - Duke
15 - Virginia
16 - Dartmouth
17 - BYU
18 - Vanderbilt
19 - Indiana
20 - Uni Southern Cal
21 - Northwestern
22 - Boston College
23 - Brown
25 - North Carolina
26 - Stanford
27 - UCLA
28 - Middlebury
29 - Penn State
30 - Emory

Consulting: McKinsey, Bain, BCG etc.... Recent Grads (2014 - 2020)

1 - Harvard
2 - Penn
3 - Michigan
4 - Yale
5 - Stanford
6 - Duke
7 - Princeton
8 - MIT
9 - Uni Cal Berkeley
10 - Northwestern
11 - Columbia
12 - Texas
13 - Virginia
14 - Dartmouth
15 - Notre Dame
16 - Vanderbilt
16 - Uni Chicago
18 - Brown
19 - Georgetown
20 - Georgia Tech
21 - Western University
22 - Mc Gill University
23 - Washington Uni St. Louis
24 - Queen's University
25 - BYU
26 - Rice
27 - Uni Southern California
28 - Cornell
29 - North Carolina
30 - Uni Illinois


Big Tech

1 University of California, Berkeley
2 Stanford University
3 Carnegie Mellon University
4 University of Southern California
5 The University of Texas at Austin
6 Georgia Institute of Technology
7 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
8 San Jose State University
9 University of California, San Diego
10 Arizona State University
11 University of Michigan
12 University of California, Los Angeles
13 North Carolina State University
14 California Polytechnic State University - San Luis Obispo
15 Cornell University
16 University of Waterloo (Canada)
17 Texas A&M University
18 University of Washington
19 Purdue University
20 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
21 Santa Clara University
22 University of Phoenix
23 University of California, Santa Barbara
24 University of California, Davis
25 Penn State University


Here is some additional food for thought...


These 30 Colleges get students Jobs through great professional partnerships.

Link for interesting article - https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships/

1 - Michigan
2 - Penn State
3 - Stanford
4 - Harvard
5 - NYU
6 - Princeton
7 - University of Cal. Berkeley
8 - Penn
9 - MIT
10 - USC (California)
11 - Cornell
12 - Dartmouth
13 - Washington
14 - Texas A&M
15 - Yale
16 - Northeastern
17 - Purdue
18 - Carnegie Mellon University
19 - Georgia Tech
20 - UCLA
21 - Claremont McKenna College
22 - Arizona State
23 - California Institute of Technology
24 - University of Maryland
25 - North Carolina State
26 - University of Cal. San Diego
27 - Florida
28 - University of Cal. Davis
29 - Virginia Tech
30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical

patriot league schools, are giving out money , not all of them, but i have heard up to 50%

Thanks for the info. Interesting lists. Surprised how high Michigan is on these lists - above many of the Ivy's. Also surprised how few NESCAC schools crack these lists. Maybe it's just due to being smaller schools - less kids graduating each year?

Don’t think anyone is claiming to be an expert. The nature of this forum, by default, renders everything an opinion. It is only taken as “expertise” when one disagrees

The methodology is interesting, worth taking a look at how they came up with this list.

These 30 Colleges get students Jobs through great professional partnerships.

Link for interesting article -

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships/

1 - Michigan
2 - Penn Stateh
3 - Stanford
4 - Harvard
5 - NYU
6 - Princeton
7 - University of Cal. Berkeley
8 - Penn
9 - MIT
10 - USC (California)
11 - Cornell
12 - Dartmouth
13 - Washington
14 - Texas A&M
15 - Yale
16 - Northeastern
17 - Purdue
18 - Carnegie Mellon University
19 - Georgia Tech
20 - UCLA
21 - Claremont McKenna College
22 - Arizona State
23 - California Institute of Technology
24 - University of Maryland
25 - North Carolina State
26 - University of Cal. San Diego
27 - Florida
28 - University of Cal. Davis
29 - Virginia Tech
30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical

I think one correlation to explain some of the success of these schools and less success of the small liberal arts schools is the strength and size of the alumni network

Out of curiosity as I am sure there is no data, but what % of college lax players go into finance / business / econ. I imagine it is the vast majority (my guess would be at least 75% maybe more). My kids were stem all the way. It nothing wrong with finance.

Who’s judging who? Most of the discussion has been around what schools have the best combo of academics and lax. I don’t think anyone ever said their kid was looking for a ranking to send their kid there. It’s just a list and an opinion, nothing more.

You do know the irony of your last judgmental statement about club ball though, right?

But I do agree that d1 lax and studies are very hard to juggle but I don’t think that is limited to only the top 20 d1 schools. I think it’s all schools including d2 and d3. Now there are some schools that are harder than others (MIT Cornell come to mind). I count vouch for Harvard but I always head the joke the hardest thing about Harvard is getting in. But yes, all schools, juggling both is hard.

You’ve “heard” haven’t seen it but you heard. You heard a lie. It’s all academics, you can believe what you heard, again it’s a lie. But be a naive fool, can’t lead a horse to water. Want scholarship money? ACADEMICS!

Alumni network and their willingness to help is a big deal.

When you are going through the recruiting process be sure to ask the coach how they help with interships, job placement, alumni networking etc...

You have to look at potential for the 2025 class because the 2025 is not in college yet. You’re supposed to project out for when your kid is in college; however it’s not only potential. That 2020 shortened season they were not potential. They ended that season undefeated having beaten defending national champions UVA. In 2022 they lost in the NCAA semifinals to eventual champ and arguable best team ever Maryland. Their track record is real. Again 2023 was a down year, but they are very real. All of their grad transfers were highly recruited in the transfer portal for a reason. Bob Kemp was only a fall scrimmage, but their starters, including their highly recruited freshman, looked very good. Those that follow college lacrosse and academics closely know Princeton is a top 5 location nationally for both.

Please revert to 2025 lacrosse for LI, CT, WC here.Use facebook to chat college laxers. Any advise on remaining local showcases for uncommitted 2025s interested in playing any level of college?

Seeing as how the 2025 lacrosse class recently became eligible for college recruitment, college lacrosse discussion is highly relevant to the 2025 lacrosse class currently. If you can’t connect those dots you have no business trying to moderate the discussion on this board

Agreed. I'm finding this discussion VERY relevant as my son ponders his current offers.

IL has a uncommitted tournament soon. Not local but good. Personally like the LM ones. LILJ is also a great resource. Good luck!

This is long so feel free to scroll on by.

For those interested in 2025 recruiting this post is only my opinion as everyone’s experience is different. Background: 2 kids who just went through this. One got into a top 30 D1 academic school without lacrosse and is not playing lacrosse at that school. Other got into a top 40 academic school and will hopefully play MCLA. Both had a good amount of recruitment but none to their liking as academics were more of their focus.

First decide if what is more important, academics or lax. If it’s academics then high d1, high d3, high MCLA is the way to go. If it’s lax, you have plenty of choices with the rest of d1, all if d2 and low-mid d3 and a plethora of MCLA. If your interest is:

High D1 (top 20): it’s never too late but times running short. Coaches always keep 1-2 spots open but your chances of getting in are low. The name of the game is connections: if you aren’t from a top lax High School (or less important a top Lax Club) your chances are low. If you look at the rosters of these colleges, almost all of them have come from a powerhouse High School. Since all these schools are also excellent academic schools, you have to have the grades. Don’t think that lax will make exceptions for you. You have to be an exceptional player to be that’s exception and they have already made their commitments. Otherwise, your grades have to be in the ballpark.

Mid D1 - not too late but now is your go time. Good news, with the exception of Dartmouth and Colgate, the academics needed to get in are not as rigorous

Low D1 - academics are usually not a concern. My kids were still getting interest through March of their SENIOR year

D2 - really not on par academically but some great lax programs. I believe they are are able to reach out to you starting June 15 after your sophomore year.

Really High d3 (NESCAC, Swarthmore, washLee [am I missing any others]) - again, academics are a necessity to get in. They used to start making offers June/July after your JUNIOR a year but NESCAC pushed their back to august, presumedly while awaiting the Supreme Court decision. Don’t know what will be this year

Slightly less high d3 (centennial, chris Newport, Salisbury , colorado college, liberty, MAC, ODAC) - some are better schools but there is some great lax programs where academics are not as competitive

Mid-low d3 - tough to be these schools recruiting. Spots are always open. You may have gotten letters accepting you without even talking to you. It lax is your focus and academics not so much? Then you can always find a spot here

MCLA - 3 divisions with D1 being the best (they have tryouts for some as the rosters have kids from great lax high schools). Such a good under appreciated option for those kids where academics are important. How much more fun would it be to play against Clemson, BC, Stanford, Northeastern, VaTech, Florida, BYU, USC, UCLA, Texas, GaTech, The down side is you ain’t playing on national TV and you have to pay your own way. But on the flip side, A LOT less practice. D2 and d3 more like true club but they do travel.

A couple other points:

Don’t despair by the amount of social media commitments since Sep 1. My kids were getting recruited up to the day they set foot on campus. It’s obviously not too late to get recruited. With 80 D1, 75 D2, 250 D3 programs there is a spot if lacrosse is your main priority.

Most lax players seem to go into finance. But if you are STEM focused, don’t tell them you are STEM focused. A lot of schools don’t want someone tied up in labs and missing practices.

Be wary of prospect days. Many are done just to supplement income for coaches. You will get a ton of invites. How to distinguish? If they mention something in their letter that your kid did specifically (not the rando “we saw you at ‘x’ tourney and were ‘really impressed’) or if they contacted your coach who recommended you to go. That being said if your kid really wants to go then by all means, they should go.

Don’t count on a full scholarship. As one coach said they would rather split the scholarship money amongst 12 recruits rather than give someone a full ride.

Enjoy the process but don’t make a lax commitment and sacrifice academics. I’ve seen too many kids go to a “lesser” school just to commit. College lax is just four more years. College itself is a lifetime decision.

Again, just an opinion and trying to be helpful and not anecdotal because there are always exceptions. Everyone has different priorities. Please post if there are any gross errors. I’m sure I missed a lot so please add on because I wish we had better guidance when we went through it. Good luck to everyone.

Thank you for this. Truly.

If anybody has attended the IL ID, are their a fair amount coaches there? Or is just an opportunity to be rated by Inside Lacrosse.

All local fall showcases are not good IMHO. I even felt like the One Percent was underwhelming in terms of coaches and by noon they were all gone.

Your girl says you as lame as your stank rank.

Cmon man. Your girl did my stank rank was fine. Post your own rank

One percent is a joke and a money grab ...glad you saw it for yourself and I'm sure all others will witness the same unfortunately. Owned and run by team91 and Matt chandick who also is owned by team91. Don't even bother

The joke is your kid.You keep telling us how good he is but so and so screwed him here or so and so wronged him there. It is ok. <aybe he will get good or not. Get a hobby go outside enjoy the weather learn to play darts. Life is short like you.

Stank rank guy has a point.Watching coach lose the USA game last night was painful. Always with best players but rarely can win. Easy fix then for.So the stank rank is

1)Virginia
2)Maryland
3)Notre Dame
4)Penn State
5)Yale
6)Princeton
7)Cornell
8)Penn
9)Duke
10)Hopkins
11)Michigan
12)Syracuse
13)Army
14)UNC
15)Brown
16)Harvard
17)Denver
18)Navy
19)Georgetown
20)Ohio State

Not sure you read the original posting but the email was lax AND academics (with a slight weight on academics), not lax alone (plenty of those rankings around). Or if you did read the post correctly, then you just plain delusional putting Penn State and Maryland at 4 and 2. Good schools but not better than the schools below it. So what was it: didn’t read the post right or you delusional? But I do like the name Stank Rank.

You asked for additional high academic D3 - Haverford and Kenyon. Just Slightly less so, Denison.

Here’s a factual point, no one gets a full athletic scholarship. Not one kid, not even the best.

I saw 50%. And if you qualify for need then more

Agree with Haverford. Would put Kenyon and Denison in the next tier but still great schools.

And yes. No one is getting a full scholarship. Scholarships should not be a reason to play lax.

The LI clubs are really doing a good job of turning out high level commitments. Between Express, 91, Legacy, S2S and Igloo. There must be between 30-40 commitments.

It can be more than 50% if your kid qualifies for academic money too.

And this is still in the "first wave" with a lot more to come. Guess the 2025 group isn't as mediocre as many have suggested.

I would say the first wave is done. All but one in the top 50 are committed and another 300+ of what’s reported or so are committed after that. If each d1 school on average commits 10-12, almost half the spots are potentially filled. I would think now it’s tougher because the coaches will probably more selective and look for kids that might be on top teams or larger clubs, and had less exposure. Just my opinion.

70% of 2025 committed players come from NLF teams.

New question. Having just gone through this with 2 defensive kids I was wondering how people feel about the topic of “which position is easiest to get recruited at showcases, tournaments, and prospect day, with just sheer talent and not relying on connections, club affiliations and high school name”. I know it’s impossible to separate the two. My kids did fine in the recruiting game but I sometimes wonder if their road would have been easier if they played a different position. I know some of them are harder because a college will only recruit one (goalie, LsM , fogo) but which position is easiest to “stand out”. I’ll go first:

-goalie: a student goalie can stand out in a showcase but you can also best pick up on mechanics as well
-fogo: if you dominate you draw eyes
-attack: a lot of goal scorers out there but a transcendent attackman can stand out
-middie:
-LsM: I feel most are a dime a dozen but there have been a few game changers
-defense: I believe the hardest to recruit. The standouts will get recruited (size and speed) but the esoteric stuff like IQ, slides etc will never get someone recruited at a showcase. If you “did your job” that don’t get you recruited. I feel lik this is the position where connections or high school or club association is sorely needed
-SSDM: this seems real tough to get recruited

Just curious how other would rank the position where it is easiest to “stand out”

Blatant and unverifiable lie

Posted on their insta with the math broken down by school. So it’s verified

Correct…verified and factually accurate. Because the club your son plays for obviously can make a difference. It’s all about measurable results vs talking a good game. However, there are non NLF clubs that do a good job. The rest…not so much IMHO.

Listen it is hard to make a NLF team.No shame if you are not on one. But the results of being on NLF are there. Just look at 2025 commits. 70% of the commits so far are from NLF.Good luck to everyone.

Made up number. LOL

Is it hard to make an NLF team? Seems to me you just have to pay for it. There are plenty of not very good kids on NLF rosters.

It’s literally broken down for you online. Is it made up because you don’t like math?

I believe the number is true. Most of the NLF teams tend to be the best in each age group which means they have a good amount of the top player in each age group. 70% is a little more than 2/3 thirds. IMO that's about right. just under a third of the top players, play for Non NLF teams. There will be a fair amount of kids that played for NLF teams that do not get recruited. Its all about how good you are. The NLF teams are good teams which play good teams This means they attract the top school to their games to be seen.
It's really not that hard to understand. If you want to get recruited an play at a high level you need to be seen by those coaches while you are competing against equal or better competition. The NLF provides this.

It’s probably the reason there are rumors of the Alliance. I suspect all non top NLF clubs. Surprised it took so long if reports are true.

Respectfully you really think people are going to want to go play at a new lowlevel tournament rather than the best one all year at NLF? Come on. Already stories of whole teams about to jumpship so kids can go to NLF tournaments.Many parents have a clue.

maybe if it’s just a new product. But it’s driven on membership of founding clubs. And those founders have relationships with other clubs. And it’s not low level clubs. It’s BBL, Sweetlax, 3D New England, Mad Dawg, etc. all those clubs compete and beat NLF teams.

As the previous poster said low level b tiers. Reads like the island of misfit clubs.

That's a heck of a line-up. I imagine other very strong clubs will join. Isn't Sweetlax part of NLF?

At least Santa visited that Island once a year.Visitors not so much for this sad little group.

I think they were an affiliate, not a founder.

https://thealliancelacrosseleague.com/#partnerteams

Got the boot and replaced.

Right low level B teams...3D NE #4 overall program as ranked by USClub Lax; BBL #8, MadDog #9 & Next Level #11

Surprised no LI clubs were part of this. Seems perfect for Igloo, S2S or Legacy.

Just because you issue "NLF rankings " then say that 70 % of your list make it to top schools doesny make it a verifiable list . It makes it an owned and operated by NLF list . So relax matt . There are plenty of kids from other programs going to top D1 schools they just don't post about it like you do ..find a real job

Not part of this NLF feud but clearly you have a grudge. Regardless of your detest, it’s not complicated: 70% of the kids committed to top colleges came from NLF teams. Has nothing to do with rankings or manufactured lists. “X” player from “X” NLF team went to “X” top college 70% of the time. 30% came from othe great non NLF clubs. No one is making anything up except some you with some weird conspiracy in your mind and your obsession with Chandik. So your kid didn’t get accepted to 1% or got cut from an NLF team. Really. Time to move on. Plenty of good teams out there. Lacrosse just ain’t that serious

People with money don't get cut from NLF. They just get moved to the bench.

The next three weekends are the peak for fall team recruiting events for the uncommitted. D2 and D3 will start and the 25s now and D1 never really stops.

Stony Brook has picked up a bunch of good players from the island in their 2025 class. They seem to be cornering the market on people not going to top-10 programs.

Good place to play.

Great facilities even if the campus community doesn't really care that much about sports. Good coaching staff too.

Whats going on that that one isnt committed?

It’s a science school.

If you listen to IL Podcast they actually address this. Some colleges will fill 1/2-3/4 of their spots by November. They will leave some spots for those late bloomers or for those that may decommit. Some may not have committed yet 1. no true offers yet because were waiting to see how their 1st round of offers go out 2. they have not been able to go on their official visit to see the school and meet the team 3. finance/academics don't align

I saw this week that some kids who committed last fall actually signed somewhere else. I thought the commitment was a signal for other schools to stop recruiting them so how does that whole process work? They just recruit them in the spring/summer anyway?

Until an NLI is signed all is fair...its a bad look but yes some colleges will still reach out and/or the athlete starts questioning and therefore reaches out.
I had a player that committed to one school their entire Jr year and the day before signing day changed their mind. They called the other coach and the coach offered them a spot. It happens.

Great facilities even if the campus community doesn't really care that much about sports. Good coaching staff too.[/

Son has a few friends that play there and are not loving it and as far as the coaches lots of false promises as they bring in tons of transfers and brag about it. I’d think twice coming out of high school not sure staff is on good ground having not been to the ncaas in more than 10 years

You just described more than half of the D1 programs in the country. Not just lacrosse but for all sports

Has anyone seen a coaches list for NAL this weekend?

Why bother. 9 divisions at this level in the tourney. How much exposure can a player get. I like the smaller events with less teams.

Autumn & Gold in MD, great event, intimate with a lot of coaches. Looked like it was primarily teams from Canada. Rebels represented LI well down there.

OK I'm a parent with a younger child but wanted the opinions of some folks with older kids who are going through the college process. My son plays for Express, and plays a lot. His team is good, but certainly not great. They are arguably not even a top 5 team on Long island. Is it worth paying more than other programs and practicing less than other programs, just to be part of the Express name? His team is the only team that does not have indoor practices included in the tuition. His team seems unorganized at best and Express does not really seem to care. It feels very much like a business.

Totally understand your dilemma Express parent. It depends what age your kid is currently but in general, you want to get in on the ground floor of the top programs because it’s harder to get in as they get older. You don’t have to be in a top club but those clubs usually have the connections and pipeline to the better colleges

So it depends what you be goal is:
Recruiting to a top college? It will be easier from a “known” club”. There are exception from lesser known clubs but those too clubs are establishing solid pipelines to colleges.

Recruiting to “any” college? Then it doesn’t matter who you play for but being at a top named club will open more doors but anyone can play lacrosse from any club if the college doesn’t matter

Playing time? Playing time is important and necessary to get recruited. But some kids don’t care about that and just want to have fun with friends

Winning? Winning is not important especially in high school club ball. Colleges don’t care about your win loss record.

Practices? Seemed to mean much less and less to my kids in high school. Attendance was sparse by junior year

Express is a machine and a business first and foremost. They are a tournament focused club which means they play in the best tournaments. But they are not a practiced based club which never bothered us in high school. But they are a decent recruiting club (especially if your kid is a student) so if that is your goal, it may be best to stay with them. You could jump ship but the grass is not always greener and you will trade off some of the above listed variables. Find out what is mort important to your kid.

Surprised to hear they don’t practice that often. What year? Is it the new east teams? There is a lot to not like about express but not practicing has never been something I’ve heard.

Get out now. If you're unhappy now it will only get worse. Eventually they will import better players and stack the roster. LIE will not continue to field a competitive team as kids near HS.

What a silly, self-centered response. I have no control over the tournaments my son plays in. I just wondered if anyone had seen a coach list. If not just say so. No need for commentary. .

they do practice, just not as much as other teams. as for importing players, at what age does that happen? as i mentioned, my sons express team (not express east) is arguably not even in the top 5 on long island. i would have thought his team would have attracted better players by now and it just has not happened. thanks to you both for the responses.

Why don’t more events do what Igloo does. Igloo posted their coaches list already for the Autumn 8, complete with the coaches name that is attending. It is really appreciated and quite impressive a list.

where is the list

https://autumneight.leagueapps.com/pages/COLLEGECOACHES

Sorry. Clarifying that just in general, as kids get older in high school, less and less attend practices in general at all clubs.

NLF is a gateway to professional lacrosse and millions of dollars not to mention the fame and sport star power! Wow!

How old is you child that you're asking about?

How old are you child? Seriously, this was your big witty accomplishment of the day. You sat there, though about it, typed it put in the captcha, sat back and let me see who bites. Youre a sad pathetic little troll. Think about how you just spent your time. It was a pathetic attempt at what I dont know but youre an absolute muppet. My lord, there are some bad posts but you take the cake for thinking you add anything at all to the world. Yes, it may be the pot calling the kettle black but darn youre as dense as they come.

Very impressive. And it’s only two fields and 8 teams. Coaches don’t have to shuffle around across several fields.

How much do the coaches get paid to attend these events?

Okay mom of the B team!

But he’s not wrong is he?

Way to much Botox!

Its a weak list for D1 because they NLF is at Farmingdale. Even the other divisions are not great, if Tufts was there, that would be great... but they aren't. The elite 80 is by far a better Igloo event. Its expensive, but the coaches are the ones you want to see your kid.

The coaches that were there matched the level of play on the fields. There were big brand clubs there but it had to be their B and C teams. There were some very good kids on the Igloo and two Legacy teams but otherwise there weren't many kids that will be playing in college IMO.

how were the coaches at the NLF uncommitted showcase and fall event yesterday

Reason it is the top fall tournament. Lived up to expectations again.

Incorrect...NLF was a watered down joke . The NAL the week before in Delaware had along the top teams there . Many NLF teams left there 0-3. It was a tremendous tournament. Go look for yourself. It's unfortunate as NLF used to be something to talk about but for whatever reason that has changed over the last few years . Awful now

That’s means your kids didn’t do well! Kick rocks!

I think one of the issues with the NLF is they keep scheduling their tournaments when there are some conflicts. Fall Championship conflicts with NHSLS. The Opener is when some states are still playing. Their end of summer is the biggest and best tournament they put on now.

You keep parroting this in multiple threads. And you’re still wrong.

I have no dog in this fight but gotta call out a troll who clearly has an NLF grudge because their kid got wronged or just isn’t good. The records for the NLF teams at the NAL for this age group :

Crabs 0-2-1
Leading Edge: 3-0
Madlax: 2-1
Thunder: 2-1
WCS: 1-1-1

Now I don’t know if I got the teams right but my math tells me there were no 0-3 teams listed above. Honestly, I’m sorry your kid got wronged or isn’t good but you need to stop living through him and move on

His kid no longer plays for the Machine. They went 0-3. He trashes NLF everywhere now.

It's time to grow up. These are high school juniors. Do what's best for YOUR kid and don't bash what other kids are doing.

More college coaches at the NLF than all other fall events combined. Games had best of the best. If your director does not have you there find out why.

all the d1 coaches are watching their recruits now, they were all down in Maryland this weekend

And they will all be in Orlando on the 9th and 10th, both watching their commits and poaching to fill in any gaps.

I don’t think it’s considered poaching at this stage.

Call it what you want, but a school taking a committed kid is poaching to me.

That is poaching but there are still several uncommitted kids available to watch.

Nothing is binding on either side until a year from now when the NLI is signed.

Yup, it’s business. Colleges coaches win and recruit to put food on the table. And it’s part of the entire landscape of college athletics. The transfer portal has become free agency.

Is there a website or app that lists colleges and what positions they have open still for recruiting?

If your kid didn’t play for 91 playing time will be limited haha!

You can look at commits by college in IL’s website. Assume a school takes maybe one goalie and face off guy each class and then maybe a few each of middie/attack/d.

Yes, inside lacrosse 2025 commitment page. My quests is most of the top schools are done or will be highly selective to add or just go transfer portal. But there is still great d1 opportunities at schools like Binghamton, Drexel and Delaware. To name a few. The D2s start to get active now.


https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/commitments?class=2025&league=1

Most coaches seem to recruit a full starting line up per class as a start and then fill in with additional depending on the rest of the roster.

It's really important to remember that even if there isn't as much $ available as there was a month ago there are plenty of roster spots.

It's really important to remember that even if there isn't as much $ available as there was a month ago there are plenty of roster spots.

And some commit like 18-22 kids, which sounds fool. Good rule of thumb is to always check the roster size online. I am of the opinion that a lot of recruits don’t get anything financially and are just offered a spot.

Bottom line, if your kid is a public schooler he’s got little to no chance to get on one of these top teams. They’re all PG kids and private school. Just check the rosters

Looks like a list of college teams that Rebels kids won’t be playing for !

What is the point of comments like this? To make yourself feel good? Grow up.

And there are PLENTY of public school kids who go on to play at top schools. What is wrong with you?

Relax Rebels mom! Maybe Mike will let him play another season of travel if he graduates high school!

Not a Rebels mom or a mom at all. Just think you should grow up a little. Your son probably has (I hope)

Okay Kevin!

In the last 5 years, we have had 3 kids from our public high school play lax at these schools, all on age. It's not the school, it's the player.

Exactly right.

The best coaches from the best schools will find your kid even if he’s on a non-91/Express/Legacy/Whatever club and goes to public school.

They are the best for a reason.

What school? Let’s verify this

This is a Long Island specific forum. Public school kids do fine here.

This makes sense. Lacrosse is a unique sport and part of a lot most kids goal is to use it to get a great higher education. Service Academies, Ivy and top tier academic schools. That is what it is really all about getting into a great school and playing a D! sport. If you win conference or national championships great but that is not the main goal for a lot of these kids.

Really? Show me all the LI public school kids going to top programs. Maybe one for the top programs, then it’s STA and Chammy. Stop the nonsense. Your 5’8” public school kid may get to Hofstra or SJU, no chance at Duke, NC, or ND.

You can keep repeating it. That doesn't make it true.

I didn't realize that every public school kids is 5'8" either. Just stop posting. Clown.

It really isn't nonsense, though, as good public school players on Long Island, especially those from historically strong programs/schools (Ward Melville, Manhasset, GC, CSH, etc.) do just fine when it comes to recruiting. Obviously these schools will have fewer recruits each year than C and SA due mainly to depth and consistency (which makes sense), but any player good enough to play D1 can and will do just fine playing public school lacrosse on Long Island. They are not at all invisible the way public school players might seem elsewhere in the country.

You can't base your argument by looking at just Duke and Notre Dame -- they've historically had huge numbers of CHSAA kids, going back 15+ years. Heck, the commentators on TV even joked during the Duke vs. ND final that it was actually another Chaminade vs. St. Anthony's game.

But if you look at other top D1 rosters you'll see plenty of public school kids. The other school you mentioned, UNC has as many Ward Melville kids on the roster as CHSAA kids.

Garden City Since 2022

3 players Cornell
2 Navy
1 Virginia
1 Duke
1 Princeton
1 Syracuse
1 Villanova

I'm pretty sure Manhasset is similar. Yes many of the top players come from Private and prep schools. If you are good they will find you. just look at he kid from Calhoun (2023) He is at North Carolina He also played for True blue!!! Neither the HS or the club is a power house program --- they still found him.
There are many others out there. Look it up There is more than one way to get recruited.

Keep dreaming that your little fella is going to Duke, kudos the the D-2 program he eventually goes to. Joke

WOW now your trashing kids that play D2. You are something special!!! You are the joke Never in a million years would I look down on any kid that was able to better themselves by going to college. SMH

Wow! I’d love for my son to play at a top D2 school.

Very small % of kids gone on to play at any level, NCAA, MCLA and others, they should all be applauded. It is extremely challenging to balance the rigors of athletics, social and academics in college

"Very small % of kids gone on to play at any level, NCAA, MCLA and others, they should all be applauded. It is extremely challenging to balance the rigors of athletics, social and academics in college"

Exactly right. Whoever this guy (has to be a guy) is bashing anyone who doesn't go to a top 10 school on his list, he's a clown who lives vicariously through his son. That poor kid.

You don't have to bash other kids to make yourself feel better about paying for private school and the most expensive club team for 10 years. You made your decisions. Other parents made different ones.

You're the reason that lacrosse has a bad reputation with the sports world overall.

My son worked his [Censored] off and is playing D1 but I would have been happy and proud if he had played at ANY level in college. It's about him and what he wants anyway. He has known that from the beginning.

There is no such thing, they are all pretty mediocre schools academically.

Nope , just trashing you. Assuming based on your son’s stature a lot of people literally look down on you! Good luck with the little guy, wishing him well.

I forget what century we are in. Are we still making fun of kids and people because of their height? I guess we have to make fun of them because there are no good short players in lacrosse. By that same logic then I guess all lacrosse players are [Censored] because they are shorter than basketball players.

Yes in this century we still make fun of short people. Do you get out or are you a sheltered rich clown?

Everybody gets a trophy! Boo hoo!

Not sure what wealth has to do with it but maybe I’m a poor grown up who’s moved on from trying to make myself feel better by making fun of other people’s stature. So yes, the 21st century but I can see you still rocking the high school behaviors. But keep living in the past Biff.

Yes in this century we still make fun of short people. Do you get out or are you a sheltered rich clown?[/quote]

Not sure what wealth has to do with it but maybe I’m a poor grown up who’s moved on from trying to make myself feel better by making fun of other people’s stature. So yes, the 21st century but I can see you still rocking the high school behaviors. But keep living in the past Biff.[/quote]

Biff is probably still wearing his JV jacket too.

Not sure what wealth has to do with it but maybe I’m a poor grown up who’s moved on from trying to make myself feel better by making fun of other people’s stature. So yes, the 21st century but I can see you still rocking the high school behaviors. But keep living in the past Biff.[/quote]

Biff is probably still wearing his JV jacket too.[/quote]

Yeah it’s a size Large, but you wouldn’t know anything about that. It’s obvious this has struck a nerve. You and your son must be very short. Sorry about that. You know in bowling height isn’t really important. He should try it.

In terms of recruiting for levels of elite to good players. Nothing comes close to the IMLCA event in Orlando. By far the best event, in my opinion. Outstanding.

What happened to 25 Express today at IMLCA,,0-3 They got smoked by Million again. Got to hurt

Overall LI 25s are a weak recruiting class.

Legacy A and B and Rebels Hawks didn’t win a game yesterday. And 91 United won one game. But I don’t think anybody got “smoked”, not about wins and losses. There is no playoff bracket in the 25s, PAL dad. It’s about recruiting and competing in case you forgot why the teams traveled there. Do you honestly think a coach watching a 6-5 game cares who wins?

I would not say that at all. What years are you comparing this class to?

That kind of attitude will not get your son into a top D1 school. They want winner mentality, not its ok , we participated and did our best.

Not sure what wealth has to do with it but maybe I’m a poor grown up who’s moved on from trying to make myself feel better by making fun of other people’s stature. So yes, the 21st century but I can see you still rocking the high school behaviors. But keep living in the past Biff.[/quote]

Biff is probably still wearing his JV jacket too.[/quote]

Hahaha. LOL’d at that one

People really should not care one bit about wins and losses in high school club lax. It really is about recruiting. Except for Biff and his size large jv jacket who still tells stories bout his amazing career who still tells wheellzzzz when his large kid lumbers by

Would you rather lose a 9-7 game or win 12-1 at showcase?

This must be the small kids parents again! Chill out peewee!

Its not...that...important. Just so you know....most of your sons don't want to play college lacrosse. They're just afraid to tell you.

Yeah, you’re the guy standing on a chair to see the action while yelling SHOOT to your 4’10” kid who you are just sure is going to have a growth spurt and play at Duke….hahahahahahaha. So typical, Napoleon syndrome at its best.

Hey Biff, aka JV Superstar, aka Keyboard Tough guy, I promise you that my son (and I) are bigger than you. Have you actually talked to a college coach? I’m guessing not. I have. I’ve asked about wins and losses and teams versus individuals. To a coach they’ve told me they watch how individuals play, compete, interact with their teammates and coaches and opponents. They like when a team fails so they can see how a recruit handles it.

My son is committed already. His team didn’t win a game in Florida but his teammates are getting calls. That’s what this is about.

You can stop with your uneducated neanderthal trolling. There are people on this site who are legitimately looking for help and insight. Literally no one cares about your [Censored]. Especially because you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Time to grow up, Biff. We wear XL jackets around here.

It depends. If the loss gets my kid some good looks and interest from a coach then the loss don’t matter. If the win doesn’t get him any looks then the win doesn’t matter. At this age group it doesn’t matter who wins or loses. Look at the forum posts. 29-32s go fool over every game. As they get older, there are less and less posts.21,22,23,24,25s have barely posted anything about games since 2020

Man. Your weird unhealthy obsession on size is leading me to believe that you are actually the short one here, not that it matters. Those who are the most insecure, shout the most and you definitely take that title.

How is height even a major conversation aim this day and age of lacrosse. Chris Gray was 5’7, grant Ament 5’9”. Kavanaugh’s is 5”8”, Adler 5’8”. Sowers 5’8”. Kyle Jackson 5’9”. This is just a few of many Is the trend towards larger players? Sure, but this is a sport where a smaller players can excel. Anybody who watches this sport and knows anything about lax is not overly concerned with size. I just don’t get the guy who keeps posting size matters; must have issues…

Definitely has issues and definitely hasn't interactive with college coaches or anyone who knows anything about what coaches look for or care about.

The JV jacket comment was pretty funny though. At least we got that out of him.

Got that right about height. We need some sport for the 5-8 white guy to excel at, lacrosse fits it as the money sports of BB, FB, BB and Hockey are left to others.

Wow! Little fella sure has some spunk to him!! You’re a fool and a liar. Your kid isn’t committed, he’s a runt like you! No one who is over 5’10” gets so worked up about size.Keep at it short stuff, it’s hysterical. Get the kid a pool cue, I’m sure he’ll be great, just forget lacrosse, he’s too small!

Your poor son. He must detest you. Imagine a grown man acting like a bully.

The two best players in the NFL right now (Hill and McCaffrey) are both 5'10."

Same small man on 29 board railing against reclasses. Give it a rest my friend.

Is the the Express B new attackman , the parents need to just let the kid be a kid .... very Sad

LOL, Average Height of NFL is 6-2 245 and very Athletic . Any college Lacrosse team would love their team to average close to that . Dont get upset , we need a sport to excel at.

Says the guy living through his son. Why don't you tell us all the college coaches you have spoken to? We will all wait for your BS answer, which is none, because to a man they all recruit the biggest fastest kid they can find, all the little fellas are FOGOs. Guessing your pee wee isn't.

What are we even talking about on this board? Grown man making fun of teenagers’ size? And not even an actual teenager — some hypothetical teen he’s imagining in his head?

Your poor kid.

I will again point out you are the one most consistently focused on size. Insecurity tends to make one talk the most…

That’s my first thought reading his responses. Gotta feel bad for his kid. He also keeps asking everyone to prove they’ve been recruited or played in college. Please tell us how tall you are and how spectacular your kid is and then provide proof.

He won't offer any proof of anything because then we'll all have a name for the troll. Beyond JV Biff that is.

No skin in the game here, my so is a 2023. My brother told me to check out this thread my nephew is a 2025, man he was right. I thought the 2023 board was ridiculous, you guys take the cake. Fellas if your kid can play he will be recruited on all levels. Just know if your son is under 5'10 he will still be recruited, height may help but if your kid is athletic he will land somewhere. My son is 5'9 155lbs and he is playing at a top 15 school if you go by last year rankings. He is not at Duke or ND but he is at a good academic/Lax school. Honestly most of the posters on this sight are looking just to get a rise at of you, so stop responding to the stupidity and that dope will have nothing to say. The more you respond the more he will say. I wish all your boys success its fun but its over quick...

You provide proof there Danny Devito, I’ll follow your lead.

That's what we all figured. Crawl back into your low-ceiling cave.

Hey isn’t it your busy time of year? Get moving so Santa can do his thing on Christmas!

The more you speak the more you cement yourself as the Short Biff JV. Keep trollin because I don’t think you got anyone supporting you. Still waiting for proof Short BJ

I had a kid on 2023 (6’1” 190). I’ll be honest, that also got a lot of trolls back in the day. You should see the 2030s forums. These forum breeds keyboard trolls which is what makes it so entertaining sometimes. But I would agree the one guy who seems so obsessed with size may be the insecure King on this forum. Size helps but is by no means necessary for this sport.

If you want to see a troll look in the mirror tough guy!

Started to think based on your responses you are either a child or not the brightest bulb. Whats next? “I know you are but what am I?” A lot of troll posters on these forums but you definitely take the crown of most insecure. Keep trollin away bud. Seems to make you feel better

At that size your son is most likely an attackman with exceptional quickness, stick skills and lacrosse IQ. It's pretty simple, in order for your son to get recruited to a top school he needs to bring various attributes to the table. For defenseman, size is typically more important. For example, look at UVA. They like to bring in long rangy defenseman. Does that mean your son cannot be a defenseman if he's under 6' no. Gavin Adler is under 6' and he's a phenomenal defenseman. Gavin Adler is also exceptionally strong, great footwork, great at playing angles, great on groundballs, exceptional leadership skills, etc. He is not the typical defenseman. He is an outlier. Most of your sons are not outliers. If your son is an outlier, good for you. If your son is on the smaller size, regardless of position, he typically needs exceptional strength, quickness, stick skills and lacrosse IQ in order to get recruited to big time schools. This is a contact sport. Speed kills and size is a bonus

Likewise little man! You’re the little fella all up in arms over being short, I just brought the subject up. You’re just an angry little man with an undersized and unathletic son. As far as support, if you think I need support from an anonymous lacrosse thread you really are special.

Usually this thread is dead so reading through all these infantile responses but to the one dad who seems so fixated on size (which may speak to some larger issues) do you really think that you need size to succeed in lacrosse, or do you actually know nothing about this sport because based on your responses you may be mistaking the lax forum for the basketball or football forum.

If you believe size has no bearing on lacrosse you’re either not paying attention or don’t o is much. But you odd response on “larger issues” is bizarre and speaks volumes about you.

If your kid isn’t at least 5’8” he’s wasting his time at the college level!

I guess because we're in a recruiting quiet period followed by a dead period people don't have anything else to talk about?

I hope all of your sons who haven't already committed start getting calls again on January 8 and can enjoy their varsity seasons no matter how tall they are.

That is what’s really important, having fun and creating memories!

Majority of the “dads” on here don’t believe that. They feel that lacrosse is their opportunity to tell all their buddies about the D-1 athlete they raised. That’s why when anyone mentions that D-1 lacrosse is becoming a bigger persons sport they absolutely lose their minds. Just read the short king’s comments.

They're not very smart!

Talking like that is the reson why your son will not make a D1 team. You need the attitude of pushing him to success. Fun and memories are for the weak and everyone knows it. You will have plenty of fun on field. I have D1 written on fridge to see every time he is there.

d1 opportunities are still there, but my guess is that coaches will start to be very selective with recruits. Plus the college season starts in January, and I would think recruiting will be slow down a bit.

Transfer portal is killing recruiting.

Easy excuse to make and for parents and kids to tell themselves. If you're good enough you'll be recruited anyway.

At that size your son is most likely an attackman with exceptional quickness, stick skills and lacrosse IQ. It's pretty simple, in order for your son to get recruited to a top school he needs to bring various attributes to the table. For defenseman, size is typically more important. For example, look at UVA. They like to bring in long rangy defenseman. Does that mean your son cannot be a defenseman if he's under 6' no. Gavin Adler is under 6' and he's a phenomenal defenseman. Gavin Adler is also exceptionally strong, great footwork, great at playing angles, great on groundballs, exceptional leadership skills, etc. He is not the typical defenseman. He is an outlier. Most of your sons are not outliers. If your son is an outlier, good for you. If your son is on the smaller size, regardless of position, he typically needs exceptional strength, quickness, stick skills and lacrosse IQ in order to get recruited to big time schools. This is a contact sport. Speed kills and size is a bonus

He does play Attack and I agree with the rest of your post, spot on.

True. Somewhat, but only with the top schools and it’s not less spots, just less spots for the top 15 non Ivy schools. And spots should be more plentiful after this year as it’s the last year of the Covid extra year. So when this 2020 class graduates, only 5th year injury related will transfer or stay with their school for a 5th year. And all transfer will be is an open spot from he left.

I think we can safely say there are not many top school lacrosse commit opportunities left. The top lax schools are nearly done or being highly selective, or going transfer portal shopping I would assume. But plenty of d1 opportunities left and D2 and D3 is now starting.

Right. Plenty of opportunities still out there. Roster spots at least. I don't know how much money is left even at mid-low D1.

If not there’s always assistant trainer or mascott!

True, and funding is different with the lower schools. A lot of schools are not fully funded

Bobby Boucher

It’s true. However, on Long Island the big non NLF clubs S2S, Igloo and Legacy, have turned out a large number of some very impressive commits, which is the goal. When you look at these 3 and the 2 NLF LI clubs, they make up a large percentage of Long Island commits.

All that work to make D1 45 kids on the side lines and the same 16 playing! Think about that!

the goal should be to leverage athletics for a better School

The entire objective of lacrosse is to get into a school that you would normally never be able to get into there is no money in lacrosse just a great education , if you happen to play at the school that is a bonus .

If a kid has no chance of getting in, lacrosse is going to. You have to at least be close to the entry requirements, if you think a c student is getting into any of the top schools because of lax you're very misguided.

It’s is very common for lacrosse to help get into any school. Every coach ask for unofficial transcripts for tow reasons. The first is to see if they can get your son through the admission process and the second of which is to give a ballpark estimate for an academic scholarship. Obviously, this is for most of the kids. 4 and 5 star athletes I would think is different.

Remember 12.6 for D1, 10.8 for D2, and no athletic money for D3. So hypothetically in the case of D1, spreading out 12.6 scholarships equates loosely to 12-15k per player for a roster of 50.

It's very common that the bottom half of that 50 person roster is not receiving ANY athletic money.

Kind of agree with everything being said. If someone is telling you their kid has a full ride it is probably untrue.

Lax does help kids get in but you have to be in the ballpark for admission standards because the coach only has so much pull with admissions. Lax isn’t exactly a priority at many of these school admission officers. A little different for football and basketball. Then there are schools like MIT where athletics really doesn’t help you at all

But as a wise person once said, use lacrosse to help you; don’t let lacrosse use you. So many kids opt to make lacrosse decisions rather than academic decisions but maybe that’s their priority

Top academic and lacrosse school, team captain, and All-conference player got 30 percent. Translates to about 20k. Still a whole bunch of money not covered
If your kid doesnt have the academics for ND or Duke lacrosse isnt getting him in unless he is very close to the admissions standards. He also isnt getting any academic money so his lax scholarship will cover about 15 percent of the tuition, at ND thats going to leave you with about 40k a year in tuition to pay.

That’s what I have heard. I actually think there is more information here than what the clubs advise their families of.

Well said. And be aware of the roster size and positions filled the year before your son. I don’t know this factually, but why would a coach have 60-70 man rosters for anything other than upping enrollment and tuition for the administration.

Sign me up for that deal. What I learned this year, there are a few full rides out there, a few. There are some interesting deals out there. Ohio State giving NIL money to all student athletes and lacrosse can def get you in to a school you normally wouldnt….of course getting in to a top school these days requires insane stats but lacrosse categorically can get you in. My son was told by one Ivy, they are the only Ivy that could get him in. C’s are where coaches want you to be special. B’s they love and can work with.

The majority of the top academic schools, maybe, JUST MAYBE, will have an allocated slot for an average student but that player has to be transcendent. I totally agree with the statement said above that lax is really not just a priority for most these schools. We were told that (in a group setting) by all the IVY coaches that you need to be somewhat close.

There is no NIL money for lacrosse, it's a public site that shows exactly how much each student/athlete gets and lacrosse has none.

Ok, so thats not even close to true. Fact- NIL money includes the free breakfast you get at the local joint for posting on IG all the way to what Spallina is doing with Gait at Syracuse. Had these conversations with coaches through out the recruiting process. Are you retiring on anything to do with lacrosse other than your network, nope.

Supporting evidence (much better than simply stating nonsense) https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/high...-in-position-to-capitalize-on-his-talent

There is NIL money for lacrosse; most of it is not significant money but to each their own. If one wants to believe there is “significant” NIL money I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Ok so say that there isn’t significant NIL money in lacrosse but dont say there is no money. As I said, youre not retiring on it but if you can pay room, board and meals with it works for me.

Well I’m not sure kids are paying room board and meals with lacrosse NIL money. I don’t think kids are getting that much. Maybe the superstars at best but not the remaining 99% or college lax players

It’s public information, there are no lax players making money off NIL. If you don’t have a massive social media profile you’re getting a t-shirt, sweats and a pair of socks. Like I said it’s public information, google it.

Well…I heard 2nd hand that there are NIL lacrosse deals.

You heard wrong.

Depends on everyone’s definition of “deals”. Free breakfast is not an NIL “deal” in my book. Average football NIL is 4K excluding the outliers? So the 2 questions are: how many lax players are getting at least that and is 4K really an incentive to play a sport (I mean I’ll take 4K any day but in the grand scheme of things seems kind of low). I have a vague feeling someone will get $100 just to say they got “NIL money”

There is no lacrosse NIL money unless you get it yourself through social media that the player sets up. The schools are not getting a single kid a dime in NIL money. It’s all for basketball and football. Barstool is giving lax players a t-shirt, Shorts and a pair of socks as a signed NIL player. Just google it already.

Nope, there are plenty of NIL opportunities.

I believe it is a balance needed to achieve a certain average gpa. If your 5 star recruit is a 2.5 GPA your 2 4 star recruits need to be 4.0 GPA’s. This is where coaches load the back half of the roster with the smart but not good lacrosse players.

So exhaustive, NIL deals are all public record. Please just google the information. It’s all there. No money at all. None. Anyone who says differently is lying.

I agree that NIL lacrosse deals are for the most part non existent but you keep saying just google it and when I do there are a very small amount of “x player got this [tiny] NIL deal” which is still pretty much nothing to me but where is this public database that you keep saying easily googleable? Serious ask from my own edification because when I google it, nothing pops up on the first few pages. Can you provide a link

Do players have to disclose NIL deals, have not read that? how would anybody know if it is not reported. Where is the rule that says it has to be publicly reported. So how would anybody know?

Why are we arguing about NIL anyway? It's not significant right now. I could be down the road. Plenty of wealthy ex-players.

Just google it will you…..of course you will likely find the NCAA site that provides the voluntary NIL reporting form. So in short, no website has all NIL information or our exhausted numb nuts would have provided it by now. And at this point Im only arguing that numb nuts doesnt know anything and probably has an aol account since he cant provide his google results Suprised he gets past CAPTCHA.

My guess is that those who think NIL is a game changer in lacrosse only say so because their kid got some marginal NIL benefit like a free sandwich and because there is no way to verify it, they shout to the world about the massive NIl deals in lacrosse.

Exactly! There is NO money, why because not a single booster or school cares about lacrosse. The only people who go to the games are parents. Keep believing your kid is going to ND for free with a C average because of his “full ride” and NIL money. Hysterical

So when does the next round of commits start happening? Still some very good players out there.

College is in season. But there is a lot of prospect day upcoming, across D1 D2 and D3 over the coming weekends. For example Penn St and Fairfield have upcoming days. And kids will commit. However, my view is it won’t start to pick up until summer.

Saw a bunch last week so I guess they are ongoing.

It seems like Long Island died down but there are plenty of commitments happening.

Legacy just had a Sienna commit. They have done a really nice job this year. So have Express, 91 and Igloo.

Here is a sense of the commits. And I am sure a lot haven’t reported.


https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/commitments?class=2025&league=1

Yes. The various Legacy/Legacy East teams have some good D1 commits. Shore 2 Shore A team has some great ones too.

True Blue isn't on the map and they used to have alot of commits. What happened?

I believe men’s D-1 lacrosse is in very big trouble if the NCAA allows unionized players. All the money will go to basketball and football and the rest will go to women’s sports due to title 9.

Tell me you don't understand Title 9 without telling me you don't understand Title 9.

Your a legend in your own mind!

I think you meant "you're"

That's probably title 9 too.

The 2024 team had a lot of commits, the 25s won’t come close to matching that, in my opinion.

True blue will be absorbed by another club soon!

Not likely. They have a decent following and people like choice

You know what they compare opinions to right?

That 2025 team is awful. They play in C level tournaments. A few will end up at Adelphi.

Again, the 24s had a nice amount. But all the 25s are literally down to 3 or 4 summer events. And some these events fall way short of expectations in terms of coaches attendance.

A little harsh. Saw them at the Stony Brook winter event beat the Rebels Hawks. They did lose to the 2nd Express team though at that same event.

Rebels Hawks is a VERY B team. Chrome is the A team and is considered B level compared to the others

All this A/B stuff doesn't matter anymore. One more summer of playing to be seen (or help your buddies who haven't committed yet). ABCDF, rankings...none of it matters.

On to the next.

Okay B team parent!

Not a B team parent. The parent of a D1 commit who knows it doesn't matter anymore.

Sorry, okay second team parent! You want a trophy too!

Yeah, plenty of players on “A” teams not committed. Fact is that commits are harder to come by with so many kids from so many states playing. Point is, it’s time to keep every option open and start looking for options that were not considered 6 months ago.

I'm sorry your son probably hates playing lacrosse now because of how you try to live through him.

I hope I'm wrong and he still loves the game and finds a great place to continue his academic and athletic career. Away from you.

Right. Being a good player from Long Island isn't enough any more.

Try looking in the mirror ex Turtle parent!

Definitely not an ex-Turtle parent. Guess again.

That’s exactly what an ex-turtles parent would say…

Yes, every school, at every level has kids from all over the country. And now coaches are in season so it’s all about the summer.

Guess. Again.

Why is being a Turtles parent seen as negative anyway? Are we in middle school or something?

WHO CARES!!!

No clue. But they still do ride the success of the 2017 super team. They haven’t had anything close to that in their reboot.

You’re talking club right? In HS? Wow that’s lame!

It sure is. Brands, rankings, etc don't matter anymore. Not to your kid and his future anyway.

Not sure the point. But what does matter of your son wants to in college, and not committed, the summer opportunities that club provides is key imho

Sounds weak, all for what? A few thousand dollars? Whatever you spend on club lacrosse you will NEVER recoup in scholarship money.

Don’t fully agree. Yes, there are schools that give way more academic money vs athletic. And we all obviously know no athletic money in D3. However, lax can help with admissions for D3. And there is a lot of athletic scholarship opportunities in D1 and D2.

I know plenty of kids (parents) who are going to at least break event on club costs because of scholarships.

It's gone awfully quiet in here.

How's recruiting going for everyone?

To many kids playing! Colleges don’t need players, rosters are huge, try again next year!

Alot of good players found spots pretty quickly in the class. There are plenty of spots still available at good programs. May not be first choices but most kids left aren't true D1 talent. Maybe they will land at a D1 program as a filler spot and never play. If that's their dream school, then it's probably worth it. If they really want to play lacrosse in college there are also plenty of programs - D2 and D3 that will provide that opportunity.

So if your son really wants play there is always D2 and D3…interesting….All these kids are brought up to think D1 or bust. And then left scratching their head going from prospect day to prospect day,

Waste of time unless you're an elite player. Watch D1 teams and how many kids actually get to play - especially underclassmen. Better opportunities to PLAY in D2 / 3, And some very good schools out there.

Three years ago every single one of you was D1 or bust! Now that your son can't get any money at a D1 school, D2 and D3 are "better'? LOLOLOLOLOL

What are you talking about?

Way better opportunities I would say at this point.

Ha. That is 100% true here on this board.

simple check. If your 2025 son is not starting on his HS team this spring, you might want shift the focus to a D3 or a D2 school. And that is totally fine, it’s about finding the right fit.

Top end D3 significantly may be better fit than D2 and bottom half D1 depending on the player.

Right. There are PLENTY of kids who are D1 talent who don't want to put the work in during college to actually play D1 and that's fine. It's a full time job. Some kids just want to play for fun and have a normal college experience.

Seen some d2 commitments lately. I assume more will come as the college season comes to an end?

Completely disagree. Unless your son is going to a NESCAC. And yes, low D1 can be tough, but high D2 is serious lacrosse. Go watch the Adelphi v Bentley game today.

Academics are average to below average at most D-2 schools

Agreed. And there are a ton of great academic D3's in addition to the NESCAC schools - Swarthmore, Babson, MIT, Washington & Lee, etc.

That is not your average comparison. That is a 1500 Sat and 99 average minimum.

Agree. With everything said. High end D2 has some very good lax. Agree that the schools are not academic powerhouses. For the average student who is very good at lax. It is a good option. Also some of those D2 schools offer a ton of money
It’s not for everyone. As is with high end D3.( that is for the really good lax player who excels in the classroom)
Every kid travels a different path. Guide yours to their best option.

That is the most factual post I have read in a while. Yes, academics are a factor, but there are ideal fits for players who might be very hard workers and just not straight A students. And schools like Mercy, Pace, Adelphi, etc etc can offer good money, and a great experience.