BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Cascade R helmets not certified

Let's be clear here. Cascade was acquired by Bauer. This is not the company that Lacrosse has known & loved for the past 28 years. This is a publicly traded corporation who's only concerns are to their shareholders.

What irks me about the situation is that Cascade sold a bill of goods tha it could not deliver on. After STX published its results, NOCSAE did its own testing and found the helmets did not pass the certification standards. Cascade couldn't provide NOCSAE with the required test data (I don't know if they didn't run all the tests or whether they lost the results) so NOCSAE pulled their cert. That worked as it should and I have no problem with that.

Now, however, Cascade is shipping NOTHING. Not the CPR-X, not the Pro7. Nothing. Its going to be several weeks before they resume shipping, if they do. To me (and I believe to NOCSAE) this raises a big red flag that other helmets in the Cascade product line don't pass muster either. Maybe we'll know something by the end of the year. Or maybe not. I predict that there is going to be a big scramble for certified helmets pretty soon. I hope Cascade gets their certification straightened out because the mess that will result if they don't could be awfully problematic.

It's about time! Tournaments and showcases can now proceed. Whew that was unpleasant huh?!?

It's about time! Tournaments and showcases can now proceed. Whew that was unpleasant huh?!?

http://www.sginews.com/EMS_Base/EMS...ce-sports-group-over-cascade-helmet.aspx


Check out the link above.... NOCSAE is suing Cascade/PSG/bauer

That suit was filed on 12/4 and actually withdrawn on 12/5

There is a lot of fishy things going on with NOCSAE and STX. Isn't it a little weird that STX hired some independent company to test out all of their competitors helmets, and found that almost all of them have failed. The results were published months ago, and nothing really happened till the new STX Stallion helmet came out. What's also really interesting is that STX has partnered up with Schutt, and they also have a partnership with Nike. Why does that matter, well Schutt and Nike have people who are on the board of NOCSAE. To top it all off the recall was placed close to Black Friday, a day that most major lacrosse retailers would have a nice discount for someone to buy a new helmet.

Schutt and Nike do each have a member on the board, but the other 14 members (the majority) of the board are mostly medical professional who have no skin in this game.
The recent Inside Lacrosse article is a very easy to follow breakdown of the situation that does a great job of stating facts and touches on the timeline: http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/what-is-nocsae-why-are-the-r-regulator-decertified-/30264

And if you still think its a "fitting guide mistake" and that the R didn't really fail testing than you are as well.

I've used Cascade all my life, but the facts are that the R failed. I'm interested in knowing if its an issue with all their products as based on the Inside Lacrosse article it seems like NOCSAE will be having them tested as well. Cascade has been very quiet and in my mind has a lot of explaining to do

Didn't the STX advertisement show that another Cascade helmet failed at a high percentage? Not enough to decertify I guess, but it was a high number. There would seem to be a need to retest everything, even if STX is colluding to kill off the competition.

http://www.chimicles.com/cascade-model-r-lacrosse-helmets-class-action-lawsuit

It was going to happen. Just a bit surprised at how soon. When you're in a sport with a lot of parents that are lawyers you run risks. IMO Cascade has bungled this thing. They were told in March they had a problem and apparently didn't react. They could have fixed it between then and now and it wouldn't have put the whole community into a tail spin. And they keep claiming that its not a safety issue but a certification issue.

How long will it take to manufacture, distribute and install 100,000 retrofits? I don't see any possibility that even if they were approved today that they could have it done by the beginning of the season.

http://www.chimicles.com/cascade-model-r-lacrosse-helmets-class-action-lawsuit

anybody look into college ice hockey helmets? box lax helmets? they seem to do the job? any input?