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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98665
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous Let's be clear here. Cascade was acquired by Bauer. This is not the company that Lacrosse has known & loved for the past 28 years. This is a publicly traded corporation who's only concerns are to their shareholders. Not accurate, Cascade is owned by Performance Sports Group. This company also owns other brands including Bauer and Maverik.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98666
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous What irks me about the situation is that Cascade sold a bill of goods tha it could not deliver on. After STX published its results, NOCSAE did its own testing and found the helmets did not pass the certification standards. Cascade couldn't provide NOCSAE with the required test data (I don't know if they didn't run all the tests or whether they lost the results) so NOCSAE pulled their cert. That worked as it should and I have no problem with that. Now, however, Cascade is shipping NOTHING. Not the CPR-X, not the Pro7. Nothing. Its going to be several weeks before they resume shipping, if they do. To me (and I believe to NOCSAE) this raises a big red flag that other helmets in the Cascade product line don't pass muster either. Maybe we'll know something by the end of the year. Or maybe not. I predict that there is going to be a big scramble for certified helmets pretty soon. I hope Cascade gets their certification straightened out because the mess that will result if they don't could be awfully problematic. I seems to me that at the very least equipment manufacturers should have to provide data to NOCSEA up front, prior to certification.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98674
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I don't agree that STX is the bad guy. I can see where the "dirty rush" advertising doesn't sit well, but its Cascade that certified a product that didn't make the NOCSAE grade. Sure, STX stands to benefit and sure STX called attention to the problem, but still, they didn't create the problem. The R didn't pass NOCSAE's own testing and from what I read, Cascade couldn't produce the paperwork from its own testing to show where it did. I believe the NOCSAE standard that the R failed had been in place since 2004. I don't see where STX is guilty of anything but perhaps bad taste.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98710
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Anonymous Unregistered A	It's about time! Tournaments and showcases can now proceed. Whew that was unpleasant huh?!?
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98719
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous It's about time! Tournaments and showcases can now proceed. Whew that was unpleasant huh?!? With the Stallion!
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98858
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Cascade was sued on December 4th, which was the same day last week which NOCSAE filed a federal court lawsuit against them. The Cascade statement failed to disclose this, and Cascade has not disclosed it or addressed it since Dec 4th. This is way beyond a problem with the helmet, PSG and Cascade have misled consumers and lied about their status being a temporary paperwork problem.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98860
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Anonymous Unregistered A	The one against Cascade was withdrawn. The one against Warrior was not. Warrior has been pretty quiet through all this and Nocsae says they're still shipping decerted helmets. My WAG is that because Cascade agreed to stop shipping, Nocsae didn't need that lawsuit. The troubling thing is that in March 2014 Nocsae told Cascade its R was bad and nobody did nothing. I know I bought our son's after March. Cascade really needs a good spanking.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98862
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous http://www.sginews.com/EMS_Base/EMS...ce-sports-group-over-cascade-helmet.aspx Check out the link above.... NOCSAE is suing Cascade/PSG/bauer That suit was filed on 12/4 and actually withdrawn on 12/5 Do you have a link to that?
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98864
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Anonymous Unregistered A	This is really getting stranger and stranger. This case against Cascade (Performance Lacrosse Group) was withdrawn on December 9th (yesterday). Also on December 4th, NOCSAE sued Warrior Sports in the same court and that case remains open. I don't have copies of the lawsuits.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98867
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Anonymous Unregistered A	they filed the motion to dismiss on the 5th an the judge signed the order on the 9th. not unusual for there to be a delay like that.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98923
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Anonymous Unregistered A	There is a lot of fishy things going on with NOCSAE and STX. Isn't it a little weird that STX hired some independent company to test out all of their competitors helmets, and found that almost all of them have failed. The results were published months ago, and nothing really happened till the new STX Stallion helmet came out. What's also really interesting is that STX has partnered up with Schutt, and they also have a partnership with Nike. Why does that matter, well Schutt and Nike have people who are on the board of NOCSAE. To top it all off the recall was placed close to Black Friday, a day that most major lacrosse retailers would have a nice discount for someone to buy a new helmet.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98928
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Yes that is accurate. It can be found on the NOCSAE website
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98930
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Wake up sheep. It's all planned to screw Cascade. NOCSAE noard member have a direct conflict of interest here. Have your own independent view and it's clear it's bull shite.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98933
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous There is a lot of fishy things going on with NOCSAE and STX. Isn't it a little weird that STX hired some independent company to test out all of their competitors helmets, and found that almost all of them have failed. The results were published months ago, and nothing really happened till the new STX Stallion helmet came out. What's also really interesting is that STX has partnered up with Schutt, and they also have a partnership with Nike. Why does that matter, well Schutt and Nike have people who are on the board of NOCSAE. To top it all off the recall was placed close to Black Friday, a day that most major lacrosse retailers would have a nice discount for someone to buy a new helmet. I have smelled the same fish since the story broke. Which is why I continue to believe that any law suits forthcoming (particularly ones coming from the kid who used an old helmet in Wellington FL and was airlifted to the hospital) should be directed squarely at NOCSAE. In a word, COLLUSION.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98939
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Schutt and Nike do each have a member on the board, but the other 14 members (the majority) of the board are mostly medical professional who have no skin in this game. The recent Inside Lacrosse article is a very easy to follow breakdown of the situation that does a great job of stating facts and touches on the timeline: http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/what-is-nocsae-why-are-the-r-regulator-decertified-/30264
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98944
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous Schutt and Nike do each have a member on the board, but the other 14 members (the majority) of the board are mostly medical professional who have no skin in this game. The recent Inside Lacrosse article is a very easy to follow breakdown of the situation that does a great job of stating facts and touches on the timeline: http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/what-is-nocsae-why-are-the-r-regulator-decertified-/30264 And I suppose you trusted that you could keep your own doctor and Benghazi wasn't a terrorist attack. Or that the bail out was a good idea. C'mon dude wake up will you.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98945
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Anonymous Unregistered A	If you think Nike and Schutt have no influence on the NOCSAE board beyond their 2 votes your a complete idiot.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98949
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Anonymous Unregistered A	And if you still think its a "fitting guide mistake" and that the R didn't really fail testing than you are as well. I've used Cascade all my life, but the facts are that the R failed. I'm interested in knowing if its an issue with all their products as based on the Inside Lacrosse article it seems like NOCSAE will be having them tested as well. Cascade has been very quiet and in my mind has a lot of explaining to do
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98950
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous And if you still think its a "fitting guide mistake" and that the R didn't really fail testing than you are as well. I've used Cascade all my life, but the facts are that the R failed. I'm interested in knowing if its an issue with all their products as based on the Inside Lacrosse article it seems like NOCSAE will be having them tested as well. Cascade has been very quiet and in my mind has a lot of explaining to do Didn't the STX advertisement show that another Cascade helmet failed at a high percentage? Not enough to decertify I guess, but it was a high number. There would seem to be a need to retest everything, even if STX is colluding to kill off the competition.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #98959
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous And if you still think its a "fitting guide mistake" and that the R didn't really fail testing than you are as well. I've used Cascade all my life, but the facts are that the R failed. I'm interested in knowing if its an issue with all their products as based on the Inside Lacrosse article it seems like NOCSAE will be having them tested as well. Cascade has been very quiet and in my mind has a lot of explaining to do Didn't the STX advertisement show that another Cascade helmet failed at a high percentage? Not enough to decertify I guess, but it was a high number. There would seem to be a need to retest everything, even if STX is colluding to kill off the competition. Didn't the test show that STX also had some high numbers as well? close enough to failing that with high probability a number of helmets will fail. No helmet will prevent a concussion.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98969
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Anonymous Unregistered A	There are two types of people in this world bucket heads and pin heads. My son is a bucket head. The silver lining to this issue is that my son has borrowed a buddy's Pro7 during this debacle and has learned that this helmet is much more comfortable on his ginormous bucket head. He has been very uncomfortable with his R all year as it seems to of been designed for pin heads. just my $0.02
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #98996
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Anonymous Unregistered A	http://www.chimicles.com/cascade-model-r-lacrosse-helmets-class-action-lawsuit
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #99002
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous http://www.chimicles.com/cascade-model-r-lacrosse-helmets-class-action-lawsuit the two fileds/links on the site do not work email us about this case alert me to this case
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #99007
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Anonymous Unregistered A	United States Lacrosse (�USL�), the governing body of lacrosse in the United States, warned coaches, parents, and players not to use the Cascade Model R helmets or allow them to be worn in games. USL further alerted tournament officials to remove any player wearing a Cascade Model R helmet.......wish they would be take their own age guidelines as seriously they do the helmet issue. Makes one wonder if there's more to the story.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #99008
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Anonymous Unregistered A	It was going to happen. Just a bit surprised at how soon. When you're in a sport with a lot of parents that are lawyers you run risks. IMO Cascade has bungled this thing. They were told in March they had a problem and apparently didn't react. They could have fixed it between then and now and it wouldn't have put the whole community into a tail spin. And they keep claiming that its not a safety issue but a certification issue. How long will it take to manufacture, distribute and install 100,000 retrofits? I don't see any possibility that even if they were approved today that they could have it done by the beginning of the season.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #99009
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous It was going to happen. Just a bit surprised at how soon. When you're in a sport with a lot of parents that are lawyers you run risks. IMO Cascade has bungled this thing. They were told in March they had a problem and apparently didn't react. They could have fixed it between then and now and it wouldn't have put the whole community into a tail spin. And they keep claiming that its not a safety issue but a certification issue. How long will it take to manufacture, distribute and install 100,000 retrofits? I don't see any possibility that even if they were approved today that they could have it done by the beginning of the season. Imagine this came out in March would there have been no 2104 season.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #99025
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous http://www.chimicles.com/cascade-model-r-lacrosse-helmets-class-action-lawsuit Ah, the soothing sounds of sirens and smell of rats from the Delaware bar. Get out your shine box, class action time baby. Victim Nation.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #99028
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Do you think coinsidering the circumstance that a lot of people are going to switch over to the Stallion before the season? Will they have enough if people start ordering?
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #99049
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Just an FYI: My son's CPX-R was re-certified by Riddell and has the NOCSAE sticker on it. High School sent helmets out at the end of last season and were just returned.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #99067
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Anonymous Unregistered A	CPX-R never lost its cert
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #99088
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Anonymous Unregistered A	anybody look into college ice hockey helmets? box lax helmets? they seem to do the job? any input?
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified Anonymous #99102
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Originally Posted by Anonymous anybody look into college ice hockey helmets? box lax helmets? they seem to do the job? any input? For what? The Cascade R does the job just fine for the game of lacrosse. You know anyone who got seriously hurt using one?
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #99130
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I haven't been able to find an answer when a particular helmet needs to be recertified/reconditioned, but here's an article about it. Recertification doesn't mean just certifying helmets that had been decertified (like the R), but helmets that are older, like the CPX-R or the Pro7. Maybe reconditioned is a better word. The second article below talks about the reconditioning process for helmets (football) and limitations on it. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/be-smart-parents-the-life-of-a-helmet/21910 http://www.stltoday.com/sports/high...b982bbc-7513-5e7e-9be4-54b225e4aa5b.html
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #99159
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Anonymous Unregistered A	there is no such thing as a concussion proof helmet. A heavier helmet does not mean that it is more protective. take a look at football, those heavy helmets are practically weapons. Ridell tried to get into the lacrosse helmet production, and they claimed with all of their NFL statistics and technology, they produced a concussion proof helmet. turns out that it wasnt. Lacrosse and football helmets need to differentiate because of the different impact speeds and zones. I would not use a hockey helmet to play lacrosse in. Hockey helmets are designed for a different types of impact compared to lacrosse. the two sports are played at different speeds and space.
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Re: Cascade R helmets not certified LAXDADDY32 #99167
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Anonymous Unregistered A	http://r.cascadelacrosse.com/ looks like Cascade worked it out so that customers can send Rs in to be re fabricated
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