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Total BS. A full ride? Lol! Maybe Lyle Thompson but that's about it in division 1.

I'm thinking the only way a lacrosse player is getting a full ride is if it is need-based. I'm not sure how you develop a kid to be D1 material without $$$, if you don't make a decent amount the $5-10K per year it takes for team fees, travel and other athletic coaching would be rough. It would be a very special kid who could progress playing only the 15-18 HS games per season compared to the kid who plays an additional 25-35+ tourney games playing summer club and possibly more if they play fall ball.

Some schools have good sized endowments. Ivy, Patriot, Notre Dame, UVa, etc. Except for Ivy they are scholarship schools, and it is no big secret that if you are need based the financial aid is a better money solution to make it work. I am sure the coaches know what they are doing. Some may go feast or famine and offer four kids a year 70%+. Some like the ACC schools send the message that everyone is a top recruit and gets some money, so it is smaller % for each spot. And at Ivy schools it is just an admissions preference. The poster above made a good point that the only free rides for all are the service academies and its impressive the prep school year is free if needed. I think the initial question was why would a UNC 2017 who is told to be a 2018 to get a spot going to some $50K a year boarding school? Go to UNC and pay own way to have a redshirt year in the program.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies.

Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.

Because maybe they can't get in without coaches spot.

List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money.

There are definitely still a lot of kids that get big offers. Then there are some very smart, or some financially compromised individuals that get money through other means. There might be 25-30 kids in a team getting an athletic scholarship at a time. Divide that by the 12 scholarships and you can see the percentages can and are higher than you guys are thinking. (25%-50%) Then there are some offered more. You don't have to be Lyle Thompson!

My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.
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No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies. [/quote]

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money. [/quote]

The only top 30 school on that list that has any known lacrosse commits is Duke and the only specialist position filled in is goalie. Nice way to intentionally brag not anonymously. Congratulations, now can we all move on?

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies. [/quote]

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money. [/quote]

The only top 30 school on that list that has any known lacrosse commits is Duke and the only specialist position filled in is goalie. Nice way to intentionally brag not anonymously. Congratulations, now can we all move on? [/quote]

You can believe what you want, but it's true. Would love to tell you who he is but it's confidential. I'm just sharing that these offers do exist

Yeah they exist. Nicky G got a full ride at UNC and at Cuse. You don't need to tell us who it is, you already did chump. Pretty low to come on this board and leak about goalie boy and then back off saying confidential once you got made. Now Go find a Maryland board to brag about it and feel better about yourself.

If you don't have a lot of money or have other kids in college the Ivys are actually very affordable. I have a nephew who went to Princeton and paid about 8-10K per year, his family is not rich but they make over 6 figures. He was not playing sports, of course his SATs were near perfect and he had over a 4.0.

Nicky G isn't getting close to full at Cuse

Why so angry! You people are nuts!

D1 teams have 40-45 players on the roster and they all split the 12.6 scholarships.

Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.

The list of colleges showed a lot of high ranking ones that have D1 lacrosse. If a kid gets a full ride for lacrosse to one of them that is great. If you are not the special kid who gets 70% or more scholarship and left to pay $50K a year after a lacrosse scholarship that doesn't sound like a great plan to spend $7K a year flying my kid to the East Coast for tournaments and events. If my kid had a shot at an Ivy and our middle class family had some prayer for a lot of financial aid that sounds like a better plan than the one I got.

12.6 is if the program is fully funded. The average is about 20-25%. So some may get more, some less or none. I am trying to find the report I saw a few months ago that I think was put out by the NCAA. It showed the average athletic grant per program. If I remember correctly Marist and Jacksonville were the lowest at D-1. A little above $4,000. Most averaged between the 10,000-12,000 range. This was for lacrosse specifically but they had a report for each sport.

It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
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Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
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Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
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Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.

Our Son was lucky enough to verbal to a strong Division 1 school a couple of months ago. Only three people know the offer. Myself, Wife ,and HS Coach. I get asked all the time, nobody needs to know.

The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%

That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance.

Same here. My son is a 2017 commit.

That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance. [/quote]

Same here. My son is a 2017 commit.

Most programs have kids quit or transfer so there is always money found that way.

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

That money comes from the endowment. Princeton has one of the biggest in the country. The alumni give back to the school. What is disgusting is that most schools raise tuition every year because they offer more money in federally subsidized loans as part of their financial aid package. If the kid defaults, the loans are backed by the federal government. The school already got paid for the tuition. Now the taxpayer has to pay for it. Just add it to the federal debt. Ok back to lacrosse.

That money comes from the endowment. Princeton has one of the biggest in the country. The alumni give back to the school. What is disgusting is that most schools raise tuition every year because they offer more money in federally subsidized loans as part of their financial aid package. If the kid defaults, the loans are backed by the federal government. The school already got paid for the tuition. Now the taxpayer has to pay for it. Just add it to the federal debt. Ok back to lacrosse. [/quote

That endowment is allowed to grow tax free, hence the rest of us are helping to fund the schools "good deeds". They also pay zero taxes on every nickel they take in. Make no mistake, it is at the tax payers expense. As well as at the expense of families who are hard working and financially responsible. They just happen to be one in the same.

So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting. [/quote]

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.

Taxpayers are affected by some college's endowment? Ummm, no. The cash I donate to my school is deductable like any other donation. College endowments do pay capital gains on investment income. These schools are basically private clubs that can do what they want with the money fed in by alums.

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators. [/quote]

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right? [/quote]

Great post! What goes on is disgusting!

I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

Great post! What goes on is disgusting! [/quote]

I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Lacrosse is 90% mental, the other half is physical.

2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.

navy is impressive, [lacrosse] with lacrosse this boy is going to defend the country.