BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Conflicts! When HS Coaches Incorporate Summer Tournament Teams in Town

Why so much time assessing the parents on the sideline?

Ok, we get it - you lost to RP and you're jealous of their success. It was at least a month ago, time to get over it and enjoy your summer. I bet your son did a long time ago!

You mean certain "Rocky Point Swag" parents yelling at a particular player on the field to "PASS THE BALL" Very annoying people !! okay we get it , your son stood on the sideline why the rest of the bunch brought the team a county championship . Good luck next year. RP is officially in hibernation until the next breed of RP generation all Americans kids get of age and there dad coaches the team to another victorious season..
YA GET IT ?

That Rocky Point Varsity Lax team stunk this year! It showed in LI Championship game. Very average team. Lots of fat dads and moms though!

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Total conflict of interest. It should be stopped.

Is it legal for high school coaches to accept money from parent organizers to coach the school "travel team"? Not all kids are asked to play. The parent organizers select the roster, obviously leaving off the kids that will take time from their child. High school coaches are ok with it as long as they are getting paid.

This is NOT NCAA college , if your kid was up to par chances are he or she would be asked to play , like every single district its all about politics and the one who puts more time into certain criteria will benefit a bit more then those who stand around play the phony act and do NODDA !, This is perfectly "LEGAL" for the Coach ! If the coach himself decided to set this up , that would have to involve a tryout selection for a town travel team. I know many town teams who the parents manage the town pick up team and pay a varsity coach to strictly coach the team . The varsity coach has to eat too.. its extra money . Its not a bad thing.

Yes, it is a very bad thing.

So is it a "very bad thing" for a High School coach to coach an outside travel team? to make money??? what's so bad ? Better keeping him or her occupied on the town program then wondering around with outside talent.
Its a bad thing if your kid is not up to par on his / her skills and knowledge of the game and more so delusional that he or she is as good as the rest of the players. ! , as most towns people who do not play outside travel ball there's an automatic feeling of relying on the town for there kids sport activities and much resentment towards those who play travel ball ! Its not a taxpayer program where you have a right to be on the team ! , this is not 4H. this is not girl scouts .
kids need to earn it by working hard. then when a parent creates a town pick-up team your kid is on that roster.
Unfortunately this is nature of the beast !

There is good and bad. It is good if your kid is on the most competive team in town and gets exposure to the HS coach and can benefit from his coaching expertise. However,it is bad in the sense that it discourages kids from expanding their horizons by playing with outside club teams. Because the coach "has to eat too", if you play outside club, instead of his program, the fear is that the kid later gets cut or relegated to a lesser role when he tries to make the HS team. I tend to think coaches want to win and will put the best players on the field whether you played his summer program or not. Even so, if your kid is a good but not stellar player and it comes down to him or another kid who lined the HS coaches' pockets by playing in his program, who do we think is getting that last spot on the HS team?

All good points, but the "has to eat too" comment is awful. I am sure the coach has enough money to eat. My concern is when there is NO tryout and one parent picks the team. My belief is that a quality and winning coach would step in and control who does or does not play.

Like everything else, if your kid is at the very top he can play whenever and wherever he wants. He can opt out of the HS coach's summer program and then jump right onto the varsity. The real danger is for those other kids who literally are just dreaming of being able to play high school lacrosse with their friends.....particularly if they live in a competitive town where many talented players never even make it onto the varsity team. No offense to most here, but 90% of the kids out there fall into this category. Those kids are the ones most at risk with this sort of thing.

Agreed, the young one's they deem special are not at risk at all and it doesn't matter if they play 91 or Express, but a kid on the cusp trying to get better by getting more playing time is at a huge disadvantage...

How about when your HS coach coaches for a different program then you play in and they don;t even say hello to you at tournaments because you don;t play for them?

How about it? lets just drag along this topic.. How about when a parent has a daughter on yellow jackets and he learns the ins and outs and becomes the most knowledgeable coach in your town including above and beyond the varsity coaches and leads the town team he coaches to championships at every tournament they play ..... and then rubs it in , He has the whole town club walk around with tee shirts made up with his name on it ....IN " "" WE TRUST ... That is very Bad for the varsity coach who always has an excuse on why he is never around but yet wants respect and total control .

Collusion, coercion, exclusion.

Bullying , extortion , delusion .

Very sad that it goes on.

I saw this firsthand at Lax for a Cure from on of the LI coaches. She should be ashamed of herself. To treat kids that live in the same town as you and who you coach in high school differently because they play on another club team is disgusting. I hope the parents let the AD know about your actions off the field because I am sure your actions on the field and in the locker room must be worse.

If you do not think there is a conflict of interest you are not being honest with yourself.

If a HS coach profits from a town only summer team there is clearly a conflict of interest.

Especially if there is pressure to play on town team instead of a higher caliber club team.

Why would a coach want to stop a kid from playing with stronger players against higher competition and at better tournaments in front of more college coaches.?

How about when the coach is a guidance counselor / varsity coach/summer travel coach in the same high school and threatens kids varsity future if they don't play summer travel. Kids being bullied by a mentor.
Coaches shouldn't have anything to do with summer travel.

I completely agree!! In my own if you don't play on the HS coaches summer team you are told you will never see the field for the school team. It's disgusting because boys have to skip travel tournaments where they would play a lot to sit on the sidelines for the school summer team that plays a very tight rotation.

How is the ethically or morally ok to do to young men and women?

It is not ok.

And you are not even discussing the daddy "volunteers" falling over themselves to help the HS coach by handling administrative tasks related to his for profit summer program. Call it what it is: blatant sucking up in the hope that the coach will return the favor when daddy's little superstar shows up at the varsity tryout. So gross.....

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it is wrong.

What ? That is outrageous. Nothing like that ever goes on. It is all above board.

Good one!

This may be the biggest problem. When there are too many [lacrosse] kissing parents involved with the program they let the conflict of interest happen. These are people who like it the way it is, buddy buddy with the coaches and influence over the program. Why would these people want to change anything. In our town the money grab gets larger every year .

It is very sad that this has happened. I realize that you will never be able to take politics out of the equation but now that there is money involved it is 10X worse.

There is clearly a conflict of interest and it should stopped.

This may be the biggest problem. When there are too many [lacrosse] kissing parents involved with the program they let the conflict of interest happen. These are people who like it the way it is, buddy buddy with the coaches and influence over the program. Why would these people want to change anything. In our town the money grab gets larger every year .

It is very sad that this has happened. I realize that you will never be able to take politics out of the equation but now that there is money involved it is 10X worse.

There is clearly a conflict of interest and it should stopped.

What program are u referring to?

No need to name the town. Everyone in the town knows that it is wrong but most are afraid to say anything. I sure it goes on in more than one town but this our town is bad. You are very lucky if it does not happen in your town.

You know what program.

Happens all over long island. People allow power, money and hot air daddies to make the decision on which kid plays and doesn't play. Not always based on talent. Stop acting like it's not happening at your school....Three village, half hallow hills, cold spring harbors.. Same coaches doing school, travel, town teams.
Open your ears and your mouths .

Not only does our school have conflicts of interest (more on the girks side than the boys) but now we have our HS coaches running camps too at the school. So wrong in so many ways.

What about the towns where they do play the best talent and the hot air daddys are saying the same as you.

Make a call to fix it or cry wolf

Clearly a conflict of interest for the HS Coach to run a for profit summer program. More of a conflict when the program is only open to kids from the coaches HS. The problem is also compounded when influential parents are involved with the program. Not a good situation.

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