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Right, you started a business that created high paying jobs...Any of the jobs your created capable of paying $50k per year in college tuition. How may of those do you have? 98% of the country wants one...


Maybe instead of telling us how hard you worked, tell the people who need it how to get a job at your company. Please.....

prob no 91 connection. wait what club does Caputo's kids play for?

You don't need to spend $50k a year on education, read todays WSJ. Article shows how people are getting an education for far, far less. Keep in mind, only 30% of HS seniors go on to any college nationally. It doesn't take much to figure it out. 2 years at Suffolk or Nassau, $8,000 total. Get good grades and transfer to Stony Brook, Geneseo or Binghampton. $18k a year all in. Total cost for 4 year degree $44k. Better yet, live at home and finish up at Stony Brook, $16k for two years. $24k total for a great undergrad degree. Again, get good grades, get a job and have the company pay for your masters at NYU or Columbia. Great education for pennies on the dollar. Stop being a victim, it can and is being done.

If you want to compare the GI Bill, and SS death benefit to $50k a year in free education for kids of parents who make 6 figures that's fine, I'm sorry I don't see the correlation. I never said we shouldn't have a basic safety net. You are confused at best. And no, the American way is not to tax highly compensated people at ridiculous levels. That is called socialism. You ever ask yourself? Where is all this money going? Why are all these social problems that this money was supposed to help continuing to be an issue? The war on poverty? The great society. WE'RE 17 Trillion in debt and no amount of trillions will ever change things. Sorry, try again.

If the recent Duke commit lead his team in points, was ha named an all county player?

This might be the stupidest post I have ever seen on these forums. 3 words: Your'e a moron!

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.

2018 parent here:

What were the best Fall Tournaments for the 2017 group last year? Please rank? Anyone do Quakerfest?

Also, other than Freshman Philly Showcase, what were the best showcases, and why? Thanks in advance.

HHHW Attack was All County as a Freshman.

Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.

UNC Freshman Camp in January is highly attended.

Just about 100 2017 Boys according to Inside Lacrosse have commits.

Quaker Fest #1
Philly Showcase team #2
Uplax Cottle Legacey all good
SWR best High School only Tournament

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

another hater of WM summer program.this kid didnt pick a club over Patriot Elite. He played both. When a conflict arose, he played for school program. This club does a great job of working with kids who have a HS summer team as well. The reference to coercion intimidation ? show proof that this has ever happened? The Patriot Elite Varsity Green team had a great summer, played great competition....and without the 2 raising sr. stars. Basically had no star player but a lot of team players, fun to watch & playing almost 25 games this summer, makes for a exciting 2015 spring varsity season!

That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.

There is no way you can accurately compare summer ball the varsity season. Many players don't play on summer teams for one reason or another. I was there and all the kids my son was looking forward to playing on the top teams were not there.

You make it sound so easy.....second year my son has applied and no dice. He plays for a good club team and we live in a LI powerhouse school program. seems to me they are extremely tight with the spots they give out. Phone calls need to made, etc.....

What was the issue with 205?

Sorry, thought you were the same guy who took a shot at the Outlaws and the coach. I have no hostility towards the WM Summer Program. I do however feel the need to chime in Vs the contingent of V3 parents who want everyone to do as they say they should do. Also, you brought up the Gold Team but then referenced the Green Team Tournaments. It was a 3V parent who implied that the Outlaws had nothing to do with the recruiting process. The fact is, many Ward Melville boys felt the need to go to an outside club. Why?? Everyone wants to play for Ward Melville during the school year but some realize that there are alternatives during the off season and some play both.

The way that you stated: "I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team." sounded to me that there might be some type of fall out if the boys chose to play for an outside club. Which is why I brought up the coercion and intimidation.

I have not seen the HS coaches at WM punish anyone for playing club.

I guess how impressive the summer was depends upon you define impressive. The fact is that neither team enters the top recruiting tournaments and neither team played the best competition. Good summer for both teams and good for the boys. But, the reality is that many of the boys and their families recognize that The Outlaws and other clubs can help in both the development and recruiting process. Good for the ones who take advantage of the opportunities that are out there.

A total joke. No quality coaches there at all! Many games without a single coach at what was billed as a showcase! Who would plan a tournament like that the same week as UA?

I keep asking the same question and no one seems to have an answer. I heard last fall the camp was way overcrowded with kids and hardly any college coaches. Its pricey at $400; for that money it better be worth it. Ive been trying to get some feedback but so far no one has come forward with any input.

Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...

And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.

Which tournament are you guys talking about?

Correct on both counts but on the Outlaws A team, there were 35 boys on the roster so when you say combo team, does that mean players on the roster other than the top 15 got playing time? All about exposure. If your son gets a spot on this team, make sure you speak in advance about playing time. The coach is all about winning. If it is a close game, there will be no goalie swith and no attack switch.

That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.

Not the Long Island D1commits. Looks like just about all of them are ON AGE. Look at FCA team with the Turtle players, or the fl$ attack man he was in Denver also. Need proof of ages for the u15 event that just happened.

How do you know they are older? No birthdays are listed.

Where are you getting this data from? Or is this a purely anecdotal statement?

I personally know more than half of the D commits. And all are age appropriate. 2 that I don't know personally are in fact reclassified. (The Long Island D commits are age appropriate as well)

Where is the "good percentage" then? Please elaborate.

This is where your Travel organization must help. Placement in the key showcases is important. Nike, Mav Showtime, Philly.

With all the thousand of dollars spent on the private organization they owe you a spot in one of the elite showcases. They might not have the clout now that the pressure is on them?

I'm learning that lesson now... Top two or three players on competitive A team should be able to get into the top showcases. I'm learning some organizations just don't have that clout.

The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

I think there are 2 issues here, was it a competitive tourney & the # of college coaches in attendance. The poster indicated that it was far from a joke from a competition stand point. Many well known HS teams. I was there & saw some great lacrosse! The poster did not say it was the best competition of the summer, & btw, if your saying it wasn't, what was your son's team record at this event? was your kid scoring 5g's a game? As far as the coaches in attendance, way-off...no doubt
cant argue that.

2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

I just went on the National Showcase website looks like a pretty good showing of college coaches....are the program directors fabricating coaches in attendance? interesting.

wow that was great info Thank you for taking the time and sharing your experience.