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Club Politics should not enter into HS but they do. On the girl's side it may be worse than the boys. Certain towns who have Club Coaches as HS coaches are ridiculously obvious in their bias, yet AD's do nothing about it.

Any revised thoughts after today's win against the #3 team on enemy territory and without 2 of their starters?

Google this: Quint: The Delusions of Youth Club Ball

Hopkins was way overrated. They never should have been ranked so high without any high profile wins. Syracuse is a better lax school than Hopkins.

Broad strokes with big brush. If you do not want to have your kid play club lacrosse don't. If you do not think that the the top club teams are getting better coaching than the majority of youth, middle school, JV and even varsity teams you are delusional.

To think that all club coaches are bad and that all town/school coaches are good is foolish. The top club teams that I am familiar with have High School, College and Pro coaches for their club teams.

Kids play Club Lacrosse in addition to Town / High School Ball. The article would have you think that Club Lacrosse is played in place of Town / HS Team. This article is not an accurate description of what I have experienced.

Quint is a little out of touch with the youth lacrosse scene. If he wants to make an impact, he should use his platform to call out the ncaa and put an end to early recruiting. If all recruiting stopped until the summer of 10th and 11th grade, most of this craziness goes away. He won't do that, because he's not about making a difference he's about keeping his job and reporting on stories. That's what he gets paid to do. Just another blow hard making money off lacrosse. Oh yeah, another of his favorite topics is diversity in lacrosse... As if someone is holding a group of people back from playing the sport. Such garbage, in our town PAL cost $150 a year. If it's a hardship the fee is waived and equipment is always available for free for any child of any back ground. Perhaps some kids just LIKE playing other sports and don't WANT to play lacrosse.

The two most perennially overrated "biglax" schools are Maryland (1975) and UNC (1991). At least Hopkins and Cuse have won a few times in the last 10 years.

Talking about this year

Why the hate against early recruiting? It's nauseating already. It happens in all major sports now. Why should lax be different? Why not stop school aged kids from competing in the olympics? Why not stop MLB from recruiting HS kids for the minor leagues? why not stop the "one and done" in NCAA basketball while you're at it. Who are you or any one for that matter to decide if a kid is ready and able to be recruited. If a 9th or 10th grade student athlete is good enough to be on varsity, he is good enough in many college coach's eyes to be recruited. Stop with this nonsense all ready. These coaches are paid to recognize talent. Else they wouldn't have a job. It's obvious you are not getting the return you hoped and prayed for on your lax investment for your son. Sorry. That's the way it goes. But don't try to stop others from capitalizing on their abilities and achievements. That's just plain jealousy and ignorance.

Why would any person think that a high school junior is qualified to make life decisions that will stick for very long? They DO do this, and sometimes it works, sometimes this does not. Quite possibly a nice agreement with a solid school with a time tested athletic program and balls-to-the-wall coaching would not be a bad move. Oh, wait, it wasn't offered to your child..... Nevermind, it's foolish.

It's not about talent. It's about kids making decisions earlier and earlier, that most juniors and seniors might not be 100% about. It's not that the freshman shouldn't be able to choose a D1 school. It's which D1 school do they ultimately fit in the best with? Which D1 school offers the area of study they will want by the time they are seniors? My 9th grader wants to go to UNC. You know why? He likes the colors. When juniors and seniors pick schools to attend, is that high on the priority list? Without regulation you know we are just a few years away from the recruiting of 8th graders.

Good point. We must realize that there is a broad spectrum of maturity at this level. Some are young adults with vision and some are still playing Pokemon and the like.

If a young man at this age group is asking the D 1 coach at an interview "how many of your players have gotten into your grad schools ?" Or how much study time will I need to balance lax and academics? ; then we are dealing with another type of kid. One that might actually have an interest in his future beyond liking the colors of the team uniform.

There are reasons colleges take "early acceptance" apps on special kids. Why can't a young student athlete also be a mature and academically inclined individual? We've all seen certain kids who strike us as being, "beyond their years". Maybe the coaches and families of some of these early recruits see the same qualities and potential. I don't think your average elite 9th grade lax player is a slouch at anything they put their mind to be it on the field or in the classroom.

Give them and their families an ounce more credit for the decisions they make.

This is brilliant!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX8TP0H3JPM

http://laxallstars.com/club-directo...urce=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

The great debate

OMG so wrong, yet so true

I agree. I wish we had WAWA's on Long Island too. They are awesome.

Can't the directors of the top Long Island Travel Clubs use their resources collectively and help correct this injustice?

This was on the Top Guns site
DG has done with Liberty exactly what she wanted to do with Manhasset (Liberty)
1 Keep the Manhasset girls playing together year round
2 The top teams in each age (Black) have at least the best 10 girls from manhasset playing with a few girls from other towns
3 SET girls play fall ball ,winter conditioning and lacrosse together under the Liberty name.
4 Come March the girls are on the High school team well conditioned and Lacrosse ready after a winter of Black Diamond / Manhasset coaches
5 make $$$$$$of her home town girls
6 The Set parents are Happy because win win win.
YJ does this but the top teams are made up of the best girls from all over LI not just the home town girls from NP or Farm Well done SET and DG

Come on, it is only done to help the kids.

Yes, it is a conflict.

It is out of control and it must end.

Rocky Point Lady Eagles travel team or its "coach" who Runs the Varsity games from the Sidelines?

Can you say dysfunctional program from youth to varsity , no control wild wild west , with no sheriff to keep things in check
Time for serious change starting from the Top to new administration in youth !



uote=Anonymous]Rocky Point Lady Eagles travel team or its "coach" who Runs the Varsity games from the Sidelines?


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It must be stopped.

As long as the Varsity coaches feel its acceptable to have the townspeople walk all over them by parents who feel they have more experience and knowledge on whats going in the LAX world Then maybe the Varsity coaches should step down because its very Obvious they have no clue or backbone to grab hold of their school program. What will be the next adventure to kick the community in the Gut?





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Should start a separate Rocky Point Girls Thread , its a really juicy soap opera in a making .

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Are they talking about the boys or girls in RP

RP girls + self proclaimed lax gangster = delusional Mess - them all out !





Are they talking about the boys or girls in RP [/quote]

Are they talking about the boys or girls in RP [/quote]

Based on "Lady" Eagles and separate Rocky Point "Girls" thread, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it's the girls. The boys are a 1-loss team playing in the County Championship next week - looks like they're doing something right.

That's correct they are doing something right and it starts with a plan of action from youth to varsity working on good communication and town solidary . Not exclusions and brainwashing in youth level by a replication monkey see monkey do parent with no lacrosse background and a personal agenda because he seen that drill in travel ball , then send his soldiers off to mix in a few into school ball to poison the upperclassman .
When will it end?

Lady eagles are only successful because all the girls with a few exceptions on that team play travel ball outside of rocky point , and the coach takes credit he built the town team from scratch , the only thing he's done is caused a serious rash that wont go away in the community .

Is there any way to stop it?

Who are you referring to?

No names the guilty parties all know who this statement refers to ! No less he , himself a self proclaimed " LAX GANGSTER " already knows this statement is about him (because he knows everything !! )
Your a total cancer to the program and the worst part is you are well aware of that and you continue to promote your cause Go LE screw everyone else in town for not bowing down to your demands .

Wow it looks like this Rocky Pount thing may take over the SWR thread !

It's all about the money.

The Rocky point boys lax team was ranked 8th on LI? That team stunk!!

Is it fair to say that in some towns the people who run the youth lacrosse league have preyed upon the uneducated consumer?

Is it fair to say that they have misled the community?

Is it fair to say that the people who control the youth league are the same people who have created a divide in the community that they profess to serve?

Is it fair to say that much animosity could have been avoided.

Is it fair to say that power corrupts and that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Take a look at the situation in your community and think about what you have been told by the people who run your league. Now, compare what is said to what is actually done by the people who run the league. Think logically about the situation in your town. Don't think about "the feel good sounds good" things like staying together or being loyal, think about what is done. Do kids get cut? Are there "A" and "B" Teams at very young grades? Do they mix grades? Is winning more important than development? As the kids approach recruiting age is anyone there to help navigate the process? Are there different rules for different teams/kids? Is there coercion? is there collusion? Have kids been excluded?

Compare what has been said to what has been done in your town.

if you didn't take the time to read the article in the link that the previous poster provided see below.

Here are some exscipts from March 2014 Lacrosse Magazine Article titled "Beware the Recruiting Racket" by Justin Feil.


-“Make sure kids’ lacrosse IQ is being developed,” said Joe Spallina, the Stony Brook women’s coach, Team 91 coach for his sons’ youth teams and coach of the MLL’s New [lacrosse] Lizards. “Club lacrosse is similar to honors classes. I want my kids with the best teachers, the best students. I want the bar as high as possible. I don’t want a low bar and great results.”

-“Look out for manipulative practices,” Trevor Tierney said. “If a club team is hiring a high school coach and the high school coach is saying, ‘If you want to play for this high school, you have to play for this club team’ — if there’s a form of coercion — that’s when there are red flags.”

-Because of that conflict of interest, Shriver (Boys Latin Head Coach) has turned down opportunities to start a club program. “It’s ripe for potential problems,” he said.

-“No one ever said it, but when you go to your first tournament, it’s clearly where the college coaches are going,” Kathy Weeks said. “No one is going to your high school games.”

-With recruiting starting earlier, college coaches are coming to club coaches sooner, and players don’t want to get left behind.

-“The right club turnover happens between eighth and ninth grade,” Stagnitta said. “That’s when it goes from instructional/learning, to what team goes to exposure events, who has access to good tournaments.”

-The number of players in a club and on each team will factor into the attention your child will receive from coaches and colleges. Rosters should be in the low 20s.

-“You want the best kids with the best kids,” Spallina said. “It’s nice to see a kid playing with lesser kids and doing it all by himself or herself, but you want to see them with good players.”

This is what is happening out there in the lacrosse world. What has your town told you?

The Rocky point boys lax team was ranked 8th on LI? That team stunk!! (lots of fat loud moms and dads to boot)!