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Who cares if Syracuse is good?
The question is, "is there a conflict of interest when a HS coach runs a for profit Summer Team".
Yes, there is a conflict of interest. There is only a conflict of interest when your child doesn't get enough playing time. Most HS travel teams cost a fraction of the summer club teams. You are a simpleton.
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How in the world would be able to predict that your 5'4" 8th grade son is growing to 6'0" tall??
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The trend of the 9th grade commit will be over very soon 1- most 9 grade recruits are a result of stage mom like parental behavior, parading their early polished and early peaked son from one recruiting camp to recruiting camp 2- teams like Carolina missing final four for decades 3- early recruiting colleges are wondering why those early recruits seem to ride the pine, transfer or simply hang it up as upper class man
The college coaches are being duped... In the end no one is happy because the talents, wants and desires of a 14 year old is certain to change in 4-5 years
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Look at Coach Pietramala's quote below from a recent article in the Sun. Sort of sums it up.
"How all of this will serve us? None of us knows yet," Pietramala said. "I can't tell you if it's great, I can't tell you it is wrong, but I worry."
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The trend of the 9th grade commit will be over very soon 1- most 9 grade recruits are a result of stage mom like parental behavior, parading their early polished and early peaked son from one recruiting camp to recruiting camp 2- teams like Carolina missing final four for decades 3- early recruiting colleges are wondering why those early recruits seem to ride the pine, transfer or simply hang it up as upper class man
The college coaches are being duped... In the end no one is happy because the talents, wants and desires of a 14 year old is certain to change in 4-5 years I take it your club coach's / HS coach's phone wasn't ringing off of the hook with the D1 coaches INITIATING contact regarding your son. ....not the other way around. If you've not seen it first hand; then you're just speculating. And what does this have to do with the OP? Nothing. Just a jealousy motivated non sequitir. Stay on topic.
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Look at Coach Pietramala's quote below from a recent article in the Sun. Sort of sums it up.
"How all of this will serve us? None of us knows yet," Pietramala said. "I can't tell you if it's great, I can't tell you it is wrong, but I worry."
He is worried that he hasn't filled all of his 2017 spots yet. That's about it. Talk about taking the effect and making it the cause. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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The trend of the 9th grade commit will be over very soon 1- most 9 grade recruits are a result of stage mom like parental behavior, parading their early polished and early peaked son from one recruiting camp to recruiting camp 2- teams like Carolina missing final four for decades 3- early recruiting colleges are wondering why those early recruits seem to ride the pine, transfer or simply hang it up as upper class man
The college coaches are being duped... In the end no one is happy because the talents, wants and desires of a 14 year old is certain to change in 4-5 years You have no idea what you're talking about! Early committing will continue because on average, the great kids in 8th/9th grade will be the great kids in 12th and beyond! Colleges will continue to attempt to secure these committments, because on average, these kids will perform. Of couse there will bw a few that don't produce, as well as some late bloomers, but that will be the exception. You make a lot of bold claims, with no actual data to back up what you're saying!
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If college coaches shouldn't recruit 9th and 10th graders than High School coaches shouldn't bring 9th and 10th graders up to varsity either. I think both the HS and college coaches have a pretty good idea of who is going to develop into a good player.
Over the years there have been plenty of HS Junior and Senior recruits who did not become major contributors at the college level. Transfers are nothing new and kids hanging it up didn't start with early recruiting.
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I saw COach D from Duke talk about this very subject. They all hate it, they wish the NCAA would stop it but they appear to be going in the opposite direction. AS long as these are the rules they have no choice in the matter
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The trend of the 9th grade commit will be over very soon 1- most 9 grade recruits are a result of stage mom like parental behavior, parading their early polished and early peaked son from one recruiting camp to recruiting camp 2- teams like Carolina missing final four for decades 3- early recruiting colleges are wondering why those early recruits seem to ride the pine, transfer or simply hang it up as upper class man
The college coaches are being duped... In the end no one is happy because the talents, wants and desires of a 14 year old is certain to change in 4-5 years You have no idea what you're talking about! Early committing will continue because on average, the great kids in 8th/9th grade will be the great kids in 12th and beyond! Colleges will continue to attempt to secure these committments, because on average, these kids will perform. Of couse there will bw a few that don't produce, as well as some late bloomers, but that will be the exception. You make a lot of bold claims, with no actual data to back up what you're saying! I don't know how you reach that conclusion.....but am also not sure anyone can say this accelerated recruitment is the wave of the future. It is a relatively new phenomenon to recruit this early and there is not enough data to demonstrate whether these early commits are good bets or not. Time will tell....
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I saw COach D from Duke talk about this very subject. They all hate it, they wish the NCAA would stop it but they appear to be going in the opposite direction. AS long as these are the rules they have no choice in the matter . That's nonsense. Starsia, Petramala, Brescia, Danowski, they all cry how they don't want to recruit this early, but they are the worst offenders. Any one of them could take a stand and publicly declare that if you want to play at X university then you can't commit before summer of 12th grade. Not gonna happen. They will do what they want because the NCAA is a feckless organization. Please no more articles with these guys quoting the B.S. - we don't want to recruit early, we have to.
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ABSOLUTELY there is a conflict but unless the schools do something it will continue as well. Unfortunately your son or daughter could be on the bubble with another player who happens to play for the coaches summer program. Since he makes money off one and not the other who do you think he is going to take. Coaches don't make a lot from coaching the school team but they sure do with their summer programs. Just think about a coach that is at a top private school and is a director of a summer program. You don' think it would be in your best interest to play for that coaches summer progtram. Some of these programs cost $3000 for spring and summer. Take freshmen / JV / Varsity teams at the school he coaches at and do the math. He could have $100,000 running around every year
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It is the same in the big time sports...the difference is that in those sports, competing coaches are still recruiting kids that have given a verbal. the result is that over time, verbals mean nothing...not quite there in the lax world but as the sport grows so will the lengths that college coaches are willing to go.
Give it three or four years from now when a 2017 committed kid gets offered a better package (or god bless him) a 3/4 full ride at some other school. His parents and he will come to know that there they could use the extra dollars and avoid some loan debt and jump...
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Based on reading most of the posts here, there are two kinds of parents. Those with so much pride because their little guy has been a superstar since second grade and don't want to hear that their child isn't going to grow to be 6 feet tall or that they may not be a superstar in college. The other parent, doesn't have a superstar player, and does want to hear that their child even if given enough playing time, clinics and quality "coaching", can't ever be a superstar. The rest of us, in the middle, read these posts with amusement, and could really care less about all of the egos involved. Because truthfully, is this really about their kids, or grown men standing under a tent at some God forsaken tournament discussing what D1 school their 8th grader is looking at?
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thought this was about conflicts. Coaches of School teams that also run summer programs not early commits.
As for that nothing is done until papers are signed. if a kid commits in 8th, 9th, 10th and a better offer comes along they can walk away from that commitment no damage done. You just don't hear about it as much as the kid committing. It happens more than you think. Also you never hear about the kid that committed that could not get past the admission process.
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The trend of the 9th grade commit will be over very soon 1- most 9 grade recruits are a result of stage mom like parental behavior, parading their early polished and early peaked son from one recruiting camp to recruiting camp 2- teams like Carolina missing final four for decades 3- early recruiting colleges are wondering why those early recruits seem to ride the pine, transfer or simply hang it up as upper class man
The college coaches are being duped... In the end no one is happy because the talents, wants and desires of a 14 year old is certain to change in 4-5 years You have no idea what you're talking about! Early committing will continue because on average, the great kids in 8th/9th grade will be the great kids in 12th and beyond! Colleges will continue to attempt to secure these committments, because on average, these kids will perform. Of couse there will bw a few that don't produce, as well as some late bloomers, but that will be the exception. You make a lot of bold claims, with no actual data to back up what you're saying! I don't know how you reach that conclusion.....but am also not sure anyone can say this accelerated recruitment is the wave of the future. It is a relatively new phenomenon to recruit this early and there is not enough data to demonstrate whether these early commits are good bets or not. Time will tell.... Its been going on for a long, long time in other sports... No end in sight unless rules are put in place. You will see an 8th grader commit in the next year or two. Just a few years ago it was considered crazy when a rising sophomore committed.
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Publically announcing an early commit is a new phenomenon but early scouting and early recruiting have been going on in all sports for a very long time. Both pro and college coaches and scouts have been trying to identify young talent for many years. Baseball, Basketball Hockey etc. know who the talented kids are at a very young age.
High School coaches don’t like it because in some ways it makes them less relevant. Parents of players who are not getting interest from college coaches don’t like it because they know that there are only so many “spots” available at the top Lacrosse Schools.
The reality is that college coaches are out there trying to identify young talent that the coach believes can help their program win. These coaches are not going to 99.9 percent of the High School Lacrosse games that are played each Spring. The coaches are not going to any middle school / JHS games. The College Coaches are going to specific recruiting events that may not be open to all players. The coaches are going to Summer and Fall Tournaments to watch the best club teams in their rising 9th and 10th grade year.
There are some exceptions to the rule. If you are a 9th or 10th grader who starts on a great HS Team that makes it deep into the playoffs in NY, MD, PA you will not be overlooked.
Does anyone know the percentage of 2017 and 2016 early commits who did not play for a Select Club Team? I think the large majority of the early commits developed their skill on a club team and were eventually identified and recruited. All of the kids will play for their HS Team but many will develop and get recruited as a result of their club experience.
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The trend of the 9th grade commit will be over very soon 1- most 9 grade recruits are a result of stage mom like parental behavior, parading their early polished and early peaked son from one recruiting camp to recruiting camp 2- teams like Carolina missing final four for decades 3- early recruiting colleges are wondering why those early recruits seem to ride the pine, transfer or simply hang it up as upper class man
The college coaches are being duped... In the end no one is happy because the talents, wants and desires of a 14 year old is certain to change in 4-5 years You have no idea what you're talking about! Early committing will continue because on average, the great kids in 8th/9th grade will be the great kids in 12th and beyond! Colleges will continue to attempt to secure these committments, because on average, these kids will perform. Of couse there will bw a few that don't produce, as well as some late bloomers, but that will be the exception. You make a lot of bold claims, with no actual data to back up what you're saying! I don't know how you reach that conclusion.....but am also not sure anyone can say this accelerated recruitment is the wave of the future. It is a relatively new phenomenon to recruit this early and there is not enough data to demonstrate whether these early commits are good bets or not. Time will tell.... Its been going on for a long, long time in other sports... No end in sight unless rules are put in place. You will see an 8th grader commit in the next year or two. Just a few years ago it was considered crazy when a rising sophomore committed. Agreed. To borrow a market term "the trend is your friend". This trend won't change unless the rules change. The rules are unlikely to change because the NCAA is an organization with a conflict of interest. It acts as a governing body, but it's not independent, because it's represented by the colleges and universities it oversees. As has been said, if the coaches want it to stop they can make that happen, but they won't.
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How many 14 year old kids know what they want to do and what college they want to attend? I really with they werent allowed to make offers till 11th grade, as long as its the same for every college its a batter system for the kids. If there was big money in laz after college I could see it. Guys that go free ride d1 in football are planning on playing in the NFL as a career. In some ways
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Publically announcing an early commit is a new phenomenon but early scouting and early recruiting have been going on in all sports for a very long time. Both pro and college coaches and scouts have been trying to identify young talent for many years. Baseball, Basketball Hockey etc. know who the talented kids are at a very young age.
High School coaches don’t like it because in some ways it makes them less relevant. Parents of players who are not getting interest from college coaches don’t like it because they know that there are only so many “spots” available at the top Lacrosse Schools.
The reality is that college coaches are out there trying to identify young talent that the coach believes can help their program win. These coaches are not going to 99.9 percent of the High School Lacrosse games that are played each Spring. The coaches are not going to any middle school / JHS games. The College Coaches are going to specific recruiting events that may not be open to all players. The coaches are going to Summer and Fall Tournaments to watch the best club teams in their rising 9th and 10th grade year.
There are some exceptions to the rule. If you are a 9th or 10th grader who starts on a great HS Team that makes it deep into the playoffs in NY, MD, PA you will not be overlooked.
Does anyone know the percentage of 2017 and 2016 early commits who did not play for a Select Club Team? I think the large majority of the early commits developed their skill on a club team and were eventually identified and recruited. All of the kids will play for their HS Team but many will develop and get recruited as a result of their club experience.
In West Islip many or most of the boys play for the town travel team only and get recruited to some top D 1 schools
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In Northport almost all only played for their high school team and we have UNC, Maryland, Navy, Stonybrook, etc.
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As the post states, "there are exceptions to the rule."
Lets see if it continues in WI. Times have changed since NG was in grade school. The post also says that "early commits developed their skills on a club team and eventually were identified and recruited." We are talking about the kids that are committing before playing their sophomore year of HS Lacrosse.
From what I have seen, many of the West Islip kids play for Select Club Teams at the youth and ms/jhs level. From what I have been told SC has no problem with it.
Lacrosse is growing at a rapid pace and the people who advocate restricting players and limiting the players lacrosse experience are not helping the kids.
Please identify a sport or anything else where the most talented kids are told that if they want to be the best that they can be they must play only with other kids who live in their zip code.
And yes, If the HS Summer program is a for profit business I think there is a clear conflict of interest. If there is no profit not so much a conflict.
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Love to see stats on early commits and transfer rates.
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Love to see stats on early commits and transfer rates. The early commits are still in HS. Kids transfer all the time it is nothing new.
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Love to see stats on early commits and transfer rates. The early commits are still in HS. Kids transfer all the time it is nothing new. Obviously they are still in high school. I'm talking about transferring from the school they chose when they were 14 years old. Is the transfer rate much higher with early commits than those choosing schools as juniors? If so, then these college coaches need to review the cost/benefit of filling slots with kids that most likely won't make it past their freshman year in college.
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Publically announcing an early commit is a new phenomenon but early scouting and early recruiting have been going on in all sports for a very long time. Both pro and college coaches and scouts have been trying to identify young talent for many years. Baseball, Basketball Hockey etc. know who the talented kids are at a very young age.
High School coaches don’t like it because in some ways it makes them less relevant. Parents of players who are not getting interest from college coaches don’t like it because they know that there are only so many “spots” available at the top Lacrosse Schools.
The reality is that college coaches are out there trying to identify young talent that the coach believes can help their program win. These coaches are not going to 99.9 percent of the High School Lacrosse games that are played each Spring. The coaches are not going to any middle school / JHS games. The College Coaches are going to specific recruiting events that may not be open to all players. The coaches are going to Summer and Fall Tournaments to watch the best club teams in their rising 9th and 10th grade year.
There are some exceptions to the rule. If you are a 9th or 10th grader who starts on a great HS Team that makes it deep into the playoffs in NY, MD, PA you will not be overlooked.
Does anyone know the percentage of 2017 and 2016 early commits who did not play for a Select Club Team? I think the large majority of the early commits developed their skill on a club team and were eventually identified and recruited. All of the kids will play for their HS Team but many will develop and get recruited as a result of their club experience.
In West Islip many or most of the boys play for the town travel team only and get recruited to some top D 1 schools I believe they only had 2 D-1 last year and this year have 3 seniors committed to lower level D-1 and a sophomore to Penn State, who played some as a freshman and whose dad was a college asst. coach if I'm not mistaken. There may be others committed who haven't been in the lax press. The way recruiting is now for the top schools it will be harder for these kids to get recruited. In the past, the H.S. staff did a great job getting kids recruited, but that was varsity kids who the coaches knew. With a push now for sophomores and freshman commits, I think the town only concept, while great for program consistency may wind up hurting some kids.
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If your a D! player they will find you. I cantell you that my HS staff knows who the best kids in 7th grade are already and try to head them off from the Catholic schools. I think the travel programs have a better chance of helping d2 and d3 kids. Everyone knows who the D1 kids, cripes MSG Varisty lists them Publically announcing an early commit is a new phenomenon but early scouting and early recruiting have been going on in all sports for a very long time. Both pro and college coaches and scouts have been trying to identify young talent for many years. Baseball, Basketball Hockey etc. know who the talented kids are at a very young age.
High School coaches don’t like it because in some ways it makes them less relevant. Parents of players who are not getting interest from college coaches don’t like it because they know that there are only so many “spots” available at the top Lacrosse Schools.
The reality is that college coaches are out there trying to identify young talent that the coach believes can help their program win. These coaches are not going to 99.9 percent of the High School Lacrosse games that are played each Spring. The coaches are not going to any middle school / JHS games. The College Coaches are going to specific recruiting events that may not be open to all players. The coaches are going to Summer and Fall Tournaments to watch the best club teams in their rising 9th and 10th grade year.
There are some exceptions to the rule. If you are a 9th or 10th grader who starts on a great HS Team that makes it deep into the playoffs in NY, MD, PA you will not be overlooked.
Does anyone know the percentage of 2017 and 2016 early commits who did not play for a Select Club Team? I think the large majority of the early commits developed their skill on a club team and were eventually identified and recruited. All of the kids will play for their HS Team but many will develop and get recruited as a result of their club experience.
In West Islip many or most of the boys play for the town travel team only and get recruited to some top D 1 schools I believe they only had 2 D-1 last year and this year have 3 seniors committed to lower level D-1 and a sophomore to Penn State, who played some as a freshman and whose dad was a college asst. coach if I'm not mistaken. There may be others committed who haven't been in the lax press. The way recruiting is now for the top schools it will be harder for these kids to get recruited. In the past, the H.S. staff did a great job getting kids recruited, but that was varsity kids who the coaches knew. With a push now for sophomores and freshman commits, I think the town only concept, while great for program consistency may wind up hurting some kids.
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MSG Varsity rates D-1 prospects ? I don't think so, they list verbal commitments. These kids have already been recruited. What I am talking about is the freshman and sophomores who haven't played on varsity yet. Is the JV staff actively guiding and advising these kids? I don't know maybe they are. My question is will the kid who stops playing club to play on the school summer team exclusively and doesn't have parents who are knowledgable about the recruiting scene get looked at ?
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HS coaches--at least at WM--do not know players until they get older. They are not watching 7th grade or 8th grade lax except for one game at the end of the year--middle school gelinas vs middle school murphy...
Further, the HS coaches have been very clear that players are responsible for all recruiting efforts. I know they will take calls and help in any way possible, but they aren't going to be proactive and don't know the younger kids at all--they are are two years removed from where college coaches are looking. There is no one talking about Jake Reed or Maverick, either the players and parents know or they don't ...
We love the WM program, but there is much to be said for the select team programs (91, LIE, ...).
For anyone just starting out, do not just sit there and wait to be discovered. No matter what all of the numbskulls on this board think, there are only a few levels of players. It is the same at every age group, the very best kids, all the others that are in the middle and then the bottom group.
there are changes to the structure from one year to the next based upon growth spurts, but ultimately the groups look pretty similar from 4th grade through 12th. The stud athletes tend to remain studs (unless there advantage was size)
Many of the kids in the middle of the pack, assuming they work hard and really want it (not all kids do) can play at D-1.
But it is up to you, the parent and the player to put yourself in the best possible position. If you are the best one on your HS team, I agree, someone will find you, but if you are in the top 5-10, the only way you will get recruited is if you send tapes and show up at events that your desired college attends...
It is like anything else in life, you need to put yourself in a position to succeed. early bird gets the worm...
As for topic, of course it is a conflict, but everything is relative. Depending on where you are on the coach's depth chart, you are either happy of sad. let's face it, lots of politics, for those with good connections the system works, for those without connections, you need to work the system....
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HS coaches--at least at WM--do not know players until they get older. They are not watching 7th grade or 8th grade lax except for one game at the end of the year--middle school gelinas vs middle school murphy...
Further, the HS coaches have been very clear that players are responsible for all recruiting efforts. I know they will take calls and help in any way possible, but they aren't going to be proactive and don't know the younger kids at all--they are are two years removed from where college coaches are looking. There is no one talking about Jake Reed or Maverick, either the players and parents know or they don't ...
We love the WM program, but there is much to be said for the select team programs (91, LIE, ...).
For anyone just starting out, do not just sit there and wait to be discovered. No matter what all of the numbskulls on this board think, there are only a few levels of players. It is the same at every age group, the very best kids, all the others that are in the middle and then the bottom group.
there are changes to the structure from one year to the next based upon growth spurts, but ultimately the groups look pretty similar from 4th grade through 12th. The stud athletes tend to remain studs (unless there advantage was size)
Many of the kids in the middle of the pack, assuming they work hard and really want it (not all kids do) can play at D-1.
But it is up to you, the parent and the player to put yourself in the best possible position. If you are the best one on your HS team, I agree, someone will find you, but if you are in the top 5-10, the only way you will get recruited is if you send tapes and show up at events that your desired college attends...
It is like anything else in life, you need to put yourself in a position to succeed. early bird gets the worm...
As for topic, of course it is a conflict, but everything is relative. Depending on where you are on the coach's depth chart, you are either happy of sad. let's face it, lots of politics, for those with good connections the system works, for those without connections, you need to work the system.... Well said.
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HS coaches--at least at WM--do not know players until they get older. They are not watching 7th grade or 8th grade lax except for one game at the end of the year--middle school gelinas vs middle school murphy...
Further, the HS coaches have been very clear that players are responsible for all recruiting efforts. I know they will take calls and help in any way possible, but they aren't going to be proactive and don't know the younger kids at all--they are are two years removed from where college coaches are looking. There is no one talking about Jake Reed or Maverick, either the players and parents know or they don't ...
We love the WM program, but there is much to be said for the select team programs (91, LIE, ...).
For anyone just starting out, do not just sit there and wait to be discovered. No matter what all of the numbskulls on this board think, there are only a few levels of players. It is the same at every age group, the very best kids, all the others that are in the middle and then the bottom group.
there are changes to the structure from one year to the next based upon growth spurts, but ultimately the groups look pretty similar from 4th grade through 12th. The stud athletes tend to remain studs (unless there advantage was size)
Many of the kids in the middle of the pack, assuming they work hard and really want it (not all kids do) can play at D-1.
But it is up to you, the parent and the player to put yourself in the best possible position. If you are the best one on your HS team, I agree, someone will find you, but if you are in the top 5-10, the only way you will get recruited is if you send tapes and show up at events that your desired college attends...
It is like anything else in life, you need to put yourself in a position to succeed. early bird gets the worm...
As for topic, of course it is a conflict, but everything is relative. Depending on where you are on the coach's depth chart, you are either happy of sad. let's face it, lots of politics, for those with good connections the system works, for those without connections, you need to work the system.... Do you know how many 4th grade studs are no longer studs in forget 12th, how about 9th? I know I coached them. Many of these kids developed quicker than the others. Additionally, regardless of size, many had birthdays 6-9 months sooner than the less developed players. By 9th grade much of that advantage has disappeared. The most interesting part is that those 3rd, 4th, 5th graders who have been continually put on "A" travel teams might be in for a rude awakening when that good but not great player, surpasses them in HS. The rudest awakening is for their parents, when they cry politics, wondering why their meal ticket was sent to the "B" team.
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HS coaches--at least at WM--do not know players until they get older. They are not watching 7th grade or 8th grade lax except for one game at the end of the year--middle school gelinas vs middle school murphy...
Further, the HS coaches have been very clear that players are responsible for all recruiting efforts. I know they will take calls and help in any way possible, but they aren't going to be proactive and don't know the younger kids at all--they are are two years removed from where college coaches are looking. There is no one talking about Jake Reed or Maverick, either the players and parents know or they don't ...
We love the WM program, but there is much to be said for the select team programs (91, LIE, ...).
For anyone just starting out, do not just sit there and wait to be discovered. No matter what all of the numbskulls on this board think, there are only a few levels of players. It is the same at every age group, the very best kids, all the others that are in the middle and then the bottom group.
there are changes to the structure from one year to the next based upon growth spurts, but ultimately the groups look pretty similar from 4th grade through 12th. The stud athletes tend to remain studs (unless there advantage was size)
Many of the kids in the middle of the pack, assuming they work hard and really want it (not all kids do) can play at D-1.
But it is up to you, the parent and the player to put yourself in the best possible position. If you are the best one on your HS team, I agree, someone will find you, but if you are in the top 5-10, the only way you will get recruited is if you send tapes and show up at events that your desired college attends...
It is like anything else in life, you need to put yourself in a position to succeed. early bird gets the worm...
As for topic, of course it is a conflict, but everything is relative. Depending on where you are on the coach's depth chart, you are either happy of sad. let's face it, lots of politics, for those with good connections the system works, for those without connections, you need to work the system.... Do you know how many 4th grade studs are no longer studs in forget 12th, how about 9th? I know I coached them. Many of these kids developed quicker than the others. Additionally, regardless of size, many had birthdays 6-9 months sooner than the less developed players. By 9th grade much of that advantage has disappeared. The most interesting part is that those 3rd, 4th, 5th graders who have been continually put on "A" travel teams might be in for a rude awakening when that good but not great player, surpasses them in HS. The rudest awakening is for their parents, when they cry politics, wondering why their meal ticket was sent to the "B" team. Well said by both posters. Seen it happen!
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HS coaches--at least at WM--do not know players until they get older. They are not watching 7th grade or 8th grade lax except for one game at the end of the year--middle school gelinas vs middle school murphy...
Further, the HS coaches have been very clear that players are responsible for all recruiting efforts. I know they will take calls and help in any way possible, but they aren't going to be proactive and don't know the younger kids at all--they are are two years removed from where college coaches are looking. There is no one talking about Jake Reed or Maverick, either the players and parents know or they don't ...
We love the WM program, but there is much to be said for the select team programs (91, LIE, ...).
For anyone just starting out, do not just sit there and wait to be discovered. No matter what all of the numbskulls on this board think, there are only a few levels of players. It is the same at every age group, the very best kids, all the others that are in the middle and then the bottom group.
there are changes to the structure from one year to the next based upon growth spurts, but ultimately the groups look pretty similar from 4th grade through 12th. The stud athletes tend to remain studs (unless there advantage was size)
Many of the kids in the middle of the pack, assuming they work hard and really want it (not all kids do) can play at D-1.
But it is up to you, the parent and the player to put yourself in the best possible position. If you are the best one on your HS team, I agree, someone will find you, but if you are in the top 5-10, the only way you will get recruited is if you send tapes and show up at events that your desired college attends...
It is like anything else in life, you need to put yourself in a position to succeed. early bird gets the worm...
As for topic, of course it is a conflict, but everything is relative. Depending on where you are on the coach's depth chart, you are either happy of sad. let's face it, lots of politics, for those with good connections the system works, for those without connections, you need to work the system.... Do you know how many 4th grade studs are no longer studs in forget 12th, how about 9th? I know I coached them. Many of these kids developed quicker than the others. Additionally, regardless of size, many had birthdays 6-9 months sooner than the less developed players. By 9th grade much of that advantage has disappeared. The most interesting part is that those 3rd, 4th, 5th graders who have been continually put on "A" travel teams might be in for a rude awakening when that good but not great player, surpasses them in HS. The rudest awakening is for their parents, when they cry politics, wondering why their meal ticket was sent to the "B" team. Well said by both posters. Seen it happen! Seeing it also firsthand. Pal player in town grew 5 inches since last year.
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HS coaches--at least at WM--do not know players until they get older. They are not watching 7th grade or 8th grade lax except for one game at the end of the year--middle school gelinas vs middle school murphy...
Further, the HS coaches have been very clear that players are responsible for all recruiting efforts. I know they will take calls and help in any way possible, but they aren't going to be proactive and don't know the younger kids at all--they are are two years removed from where college coaches are looking. There is no one talking about Jake Reed or Maverick, either the players and parents know or they don't ...
We love the WM program, but there is much to be said for the select team programs (91, LIE, ...).
For anyone just starting out, do not just sit there and wait to be discovered. No matter what all of the numbskulls on this board think, there are only a few levels of players. It is the same at every age group, the very best kids, all the others that are in the middle and then the bottom group.
there are changes to the structure from one year to the next based upon growth spurts, but ultimately the groups look pretty similar from 4th grade through 12th. The stud athletes tend to remain studs (unless there advantage was size)
Many of the kids in the middle of the pack, assuming they work hard and really want it (not all kids do) can play at D-1.
But it is up to you, the parent and the player to put yourself in the best possible position. If you are the best one on your HS team, I agree, someone will find you, but if you are in the top 5-10, the only way you will get recruited is if you send tapes and show up at events that your desired college attends...
It is like anything else in life, you need to put yourself in a position to succeed. early bird gets the worm...
As for topic, of course it is a conflict, but everything is relative. Depending on where you are on the coach's depth chart, you are either happy of sad. let's face it, lots of politics, for those with good connections the system works, for those without connections, you need to work the system.... Wow that was a great post and I guess also the reason the players at WM are vey good. Examples like this!
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WM and WI are a good comparison because they are similar traditional successful programs with the same philosophy- kids playing together bond better and the team first concept makes the difference come playoff time. From what I hear, WI doesn't frown on playing club in H.S. as long as the H.S. summer program comes first in conflicts. Does WM do the same ?
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HS coaches--at least at WM--do not know players until they get older. They are not watching 7th grade or 8th grade lax except for one game at the end of the year--middle school gelinas vs middle school murphy...
Further, the HS coaches have been very clear that players are responsible for all recruiting efforts. I know they will take calls and help in any way possible, but they aren't going to be proactive and don't know the younger kids at all--they are are two years removed from where college coaches are looking. There is no one talking about Jake Reed or Maverick, either the players and parents know or they don't ...
We love the WM program, but there is much to be said for the select team programs (91, LIE, ...).
For anyone just starting out, do not just sit there and wait to be discovered. No matter what all of the numbskulls on this board think, there are only a few levels of players. It is the same at every age group, the very best kids, all the others that are in the middle and then the bottom group.
there are changes to the structure from one year to the next based upon growth spurts, but ultimately the groups look pretty similar from 4th grade through 12th. The stud athletes tend to remain studs (unless there advantage was size)
Many of the kids in the middle of the pack, assuming they work hard and really want it (not all kids do) can play at D-1.
But it is up to you, the parent and the player to put yourself in the best possible position. If you are the best one on your HS team, I agree, someone will find you, but if you are in the top 5-10, the only way you will get recruited is if you send tapes and show up at events that your desired college attends...
It is like anything else in life, you need to put yourself in a position to succeed. early bird gets the worm...
As for topic, of course it is a conflict, but everything is relative. Depending on where you are on the coach's depth chart, you are either happy of sad. let's face it, lots of politics, for those with good connections the system works, for those without connections, you need to work the system.... Do you know how many 4th grade studs are no longer studs in forget 12th, how about 9th? I know I coached them. Many of these kids developed quicker than the others. Additionally, regardless of size, many had birthdays 6-9 months sooner than the less developed players. By 9th grade much of that advantage has disappeared. The most interesting part is that those 3rd, 4th, 5th graders who have been continually put on "A" travel teams might be in for a rude awakening when that good but not great player, surpasses them in HS. The rudest awakening is for their parents, when they cry politics, wondering why their meal ticket was sent to the "B" team. Well said by both posters. Seen it happen! Seeing it also firsthand. Pal player in town grew 5 inches since last year. Saw it first hand, Chubby 4th grader now lean big 9th grader on Varsity.... It happens. Also saw skinny B team kid hit the gym and work hard. Now getting play time at Varsity.
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WM and WI are a good comparison because they are similar traditional successful programs with the same philosophy- kids playing together bond better and the team first concept makes the difference come playoff time. From what I hear, WI doesn't frown on playing club in H.S. as long as the H.S. summer program comes first in conflicts. Does WM do the same ? Ward Melville Kids have been playing Club Lacrosse for many years. Many current and past college players that came out of Ward Melville played for Club Teams as well as the Ward Melville Summer HS Team. They all played for Ward Melville during the High School Season. The 3V Youth Lacrosse Board implemented a policy that excluded kids in the community and did not let them play for 3V PAL / Travel program if that child played for a Club Team. Some of the best players to come out of 3V over the past four to six years played for a “Club Team” at some point during their developmental years.
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Hey we all forgot one aspect of the game. Keeping your kid back a year so he is a year older than everyone else with the thought he will have an edge. Heard it is turning into the norm in Maryland. Cheaper than prep school. lol If they posted birthdates you would be shocked. There are players a year and a half older than my son but in the same grade. The best edge a player can have is grades. Opens more doors than anything else
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Hey we all forgot one aspect of the game. Keeping your kid back a year so he is a year older than everyone else with the thought he will have an edge. Heard it is turning into the norm in Maryland. Cheaper than prep school. lol If they posted birthdates you would be shocked. There are players a year and a half older than my son but in the same grade. The best edge a player can have is grades. Opens more doors than anything else Took my son up to CT last week for 2017 Brine tryouts. many kids we hold backs. No shocker there however it really hit me when we were leaving when on of these so called 9th graders who parked next to my car walk up, took off his equiptment pulled his keys out, got in the drivers seat (sans parent) and drove off. Not sure what age you can drive unrestricted in CT is but that was an eye opener. My son will not be driving solo until Jan 2016
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Maybe it is time to change ages groups from 2017.2018 etc. to 1999,2000. That's a big advantage when one kid is driving and sporting a mustache and the other doesn't have any hair on his legs.
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