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Does anyone know or have in writing the PAL official rules for team split A/B/C or 'Even' ?(3rd-7th grade) Thanks in advance - Town Admin

Hi, I am also interested in this question. Where are these rules stated? Does not say anything about how to set teams on the PAL website. Or even in the new 2014 rules.

In grades 2nd, 3rd and 4th the teams are to be split evenly.
As of 2 years ago, they allow you to have A and B teams in 5th and 6th grade if you enter the top team in the "A" division.

So what you and the PAL are saying is that the 'A' division is clearly the 'best' division where the top teams reside (implying the 'D' division is the developmental division. B and C follow accordingly. All grade divisions same breakdown) Wonder what the likes of GC, Mnhst and CSH, among others, are going to say on the even split when their multiple 2nd/3rd and 4th grade teams are going to have to register in the same division. And will have to play each other on more than a couple of occasions, since they are now, as you say..'even' and cant play in separate (skill based) divisions - interesting concept. Will the PAL come in and evaluate towns with multiple teams to guarantee even splits and proper division placement?? Apologize, just calling it as it looks

So what you and the PAL are saying is that the 'A' division is clearly the 'best' division where the top teams reside (implying the 'D' division is the developmental division. B and C follow accordingly. All grade divisions same breakdown) Wonder what the likes of GC, Mnhst and CSH, among others, are going to say on the even split when their multiple 2nd/3rd and 4th grade teams are going to have to register in the same division. And will have to play each other on more than a couple of occasions, since they are now, as you say..'even' and cant play in separate (skill based) divisions - interesting concept. Will the PAL come in and evaluate towns with multiple teams to guarantee even splits and proper division placement?? Apologize, just calling it as it looks

on the boys side the 1st & 2nd grade is instructional and they are not supposed to keep score. 2nd & 3rd grade must be split evenly with no more than two teams in a division from a town. The divisions break down as Division 1,2,3,4..... In 5th and 6th grade they are permitted to stack an "A" Team comprised of the best players. this is for the larger towns like CSH, GC, FS, MANH, MASS, NPORT, SWR, SYSOS,3V, WI, PORT. After a town enters their A team they can enter their remaining teams in divisions 1,2,3,4.... with a maximum of two teams in any division.

For the girls it is simple. 1st & 2nd is instructional and they do not keep score. All othe Girls teams MUST BE BALANCED . Towns are not supposed to have tryouts and make A teams and C teams. So if your town has girls teams in 3rd grade through 7/8 grade the teams are supposed to be balanced if they are not they are not playing by the rules of NCPAL.

I'd like to interject here. You have seemed to miss the point. If the league runs with an 'A' (#1) division, with B,C,D (to follow) and all teams are to split evenly sub 5th grade - Then all teams are so called 'Even'....correct?? and must enter a relative (skill based and SAME) division accordingly. What the above poster is saying is that if teams are equal within a specific town, they must play in an equal division (Example: With split, all of GC teams are now rated 93/100 - they should all play in a division which is comprised of other teams rated on or close to 93) They can't take 2 of their 4 teams and play in other lower divisions slated for teams who are rated 90< ... that is called 'stacking' and PAL is all about fair play and learning...right?? - I will lay it out for you: (Div1A=90-100 rating / D2B=80-89 / D3C=70-79 / D4D=60-69)From a mathematical view, the numbers just don't add up as it seems and no matter what, if a town with multiple teams registers even one of these so called 'even' teams in another lower division - It only shows that there is going to be an unfair advantage for that specific team (Ex: team rated 93 playing in a division slated for teams rated 80-89) PAL is all about learning and fun - Do you think it is a fair for an 81 to play a 93?? ...... or fun for that matter - then again, maybe for the 93 it is

NCPAL is run on the honor system.... with that said many are not honorable.....
The boys towns that put "A" teams into the 5&6th grade divisions will only play against "A" teams . They all request to be in that division so they will have games against equally skilled teams. They are the towns that are not looking to be in div 2 and beat up on everyone . By entering into the "A" div. they are making their second and third teams that should be balanced weaker teams. You will most likely find them in div 2 and 3. Most towns will have a large drop off from the "A" team to their second team and so on. in the rare instance that the second team is strong that town should place that team into div 1. Is it a perfect system ..... Only if the directors control the crazy coaches that want to stack teams and put them in div 2 to beat up on everyone. Since NCPAL is now on the Horizon system. They have computer printouts of last years team records. Now they can look at a teams record from last year and see if they pounded everyone they played. Now they can ignore the coaches request to stay in that lower division and move them up to the higher division where they belong. You should see an improvement this year. As a director in my town I request a team be moved down if they only have 2 wins and move them up if they have 2 losses.

NCPAL is run on the honor system.... with that said many are not honorable.....
The boys towns that put "A" teams into the 5&6th grade divisions will only play against "A" teams . They all request to be in that division so they will have games against equally skilled teams. They are the towns that are not looking to be in div 2 and beat up on everyone . By entering into the "A" div. they are making their second and third teams that should be balanced weaker teams. You will most likely find them in div 2 and 3. Most towns will have a large drop off from the "A" team to their second team and so on. in the rare instance that the second team is strong that town should place that team into div 1. Is it a perfect system ..... Only if the directors control the crazy coaches that want to stack teams and put them in div 2 to beat up on everyone. Since NCPAL is now on the Horizon system. They have computer printouts of last years team records. Now they can look at a teams record from last year and see if they pounded everyone they played. Now they can ignore the coaches request to stay in that lower division and move them up to the higher division where they belong. You should see an improvement this year. As a director in my town I request a team be moved down if they only have 2 wins and move them up if they have 2 losses.

That is a bunch of junk. PAL has required the boys directors to report the scores for years. Nothing is going to change. If you're director is a member of the good old boy network, you get to do whatever you want with your teams. If he is not, you are out of luck!

That is a bunch of junk. PAL has required the boys directors to report the scores for years. Nothing is going to change. If you're director is a member of the good old boy network, you get to do whatever you want with your teams. If he is not, you are out of luck!

Seems like this discussion went off track a little. Question is, what can be done about towns with mutiple (3+) teams and them registering 'even' teams in separate skill based divisions? this seems to be an honest even-split issue. And again, it is apparent it's not the towns fault and it is understood them not wanting to play 3 or more teams from the same town. There has to be a logical, if not ethical solution to this problem. Guess the PAL pro decided not to chime in on this issue.....that's no surprise

Suprise suprise im back ...sorry I had a PAL coaches meeting. There are not many towns that can put in three teams in one division. So you must be talking about GC and Manhasset Farmingdale .....towns. Its a problem most towns wish they had. In my town we only have one age group with 3 teams . We take the top 36 and make two balanced teams out of them and ask to be in div 1 and take all of the newer players and kids that couldn't realistically play against div 1 players and put them on a div 3 team where they usually at best go .500 every season. Our two teams are balanced and strong but never go undefeated. Every game is competeive 1-2 goal games. That is the best I can give as a logical solution to our towns way of dealing with the problem. Maybe this new A team format will solve the issue . The "A" teams will take all of the select players off of the balanced teams and create a all star team to play against other all star teams. That will make the remaining teams weaker so the towns can have their other two teams in div 2. We will not participate in the "A" division.

So pathetic that PAL which us run by the "old boys club" (literally) has one set if rules for the boys but a different set if rules for the girls. Why can't the girls have "A" teams?

The girls have LISGYLL in 7th and 8th grade for A and B teams. They should probably have this is 6th grade as well but doubtful that PAL will make those changes on the girl side. Easier for scheduling to only have balanced team.

The girls have LISGYLL in 7th and 8th grade for A and B teams. They should probably have this is 6th grade as well but doubtful that PAL will make those changes on the girl side. Easier for scheduling to only have balanced team.

Easier for who? PAL ? So it's OK for the boys and not the girls. Come on it's 2014!!

Suprise suprise im back ...sorry I had a PAL coaches meeting. There are not many towns that can put in three teams in one division. So you must be talking about GC and Manhasset Farmingdale .....towns. Its a problem most towns wish they had. In my town we only have one age group with 3 teams . We take the top 36 and make two balanced teams out of them and ask to be in div 1 and take all of the newer players and kids that couldn't realistically play against div 1 players and put them on a div 3 team where they usually at best go .500 every season. Our two teams are balanced and strong but never go undefeated. Every game is competeive 1-2 goal games. That is the best I can give as a logical solution to our towns way of dealing with the problem. Maybe this new A team format will solve the issue . The "A" teams will take all of the select players off of the balanced teams and create a all star team to play against other all star teams. That will make the remaining teams weaker so the towns can have their other two teams in div 2. We will not participate in the "A" division.

Why aren't you participating in the A division?

Why aren't you participating in the A division?

Does anyone know the actual date PAL opened up to start registering players??

Rosters were due to the league on Friday, February 7th. The girls seeding meeting is this coming Tuesday, February 11th with the boys seeding meeting scheduled for Thursday, February 13th.

Scheduling will follow and should be completed by March 15th.

The eight game season will begin during the final weekend of March.

I respect your honesty, truly I do - thank you.....And I am asking the same question - why are you not registering your best 18 kids in the 'A' Division?? Which would only make them better players might I add - From what I learned at my 'coaches meeting' is that any town that divides A/B MUST register their 'A' team(s) in division 1 - why not just make an A div team of 18? then have a team in B and your newer kids in D?.....it sounds like you are registering with an 'Even Split' though (can be done at all grades) - but in essence, you are not splitting evenly ---- Right here my friends is the problem - there are so many ways to skirt the PAL system. It is extremely flawed in more ways than one. I am sure there are numerous kids who have been left back on these so called B teams as well

My question is, what is the earliest date towns can start their spring registrations? Nov 30th, Dec 15th etc etc - or does it really matter? As long as they get their rosters in by 2/7....correct?

Can anyone recommend an organization in Nassau County for my Kindergarten daughter. We just recently moved to Long Island she played last year in a Peewees program in Brooklyn. It seems that our town PAL doesn't have an age appropriate division for her. Thanks

Can anyone recommend an organization in Nassau County for my Kindergarten daughter. We just recently moved to Long Island she played last year in a Peewees program in Brooklyn. It seems that our town PAL doesn't have an age appropriate division for her. Thanks

Can anyone recommend an organization in Nassau County for my Kindergarten daughter. We just recently moved to Long Island she played last year in a Peewees program in Brooklyn. It seems that our town PAL doesn't have an age appropriate division for her. Thanks