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Any confirm the rumor that a Team 91 defenseman just committed to the admission process at Penn? Don't know the kid personally but have seen him play. Seems like he works hard and congratulations to him if it is true. This would be the 2nd unconfirmed Penn commit of the 2017 class. The other kid is the Dukes FOGO.

I applaud you, sir. Bravo! :-) could not have said it better. Integrity is not dead.

I applaud you, sir. Bravo! :-) could not have said it better. Integrity is not dead.

Apparently the Breakers goalie from Baltimore that committed
to UVA last week already has his license and drives! That is a joke, no
wonder he looks bigger.

Why would this person write, "so what?" ? Does that show anything? So What?! psycho

UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.

UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.

UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.

If at first you can't succeed, play down, play down, play down. Disgusting. People want to congratulate this kid?? What's wrong with our sport? Of course these disgraceful coaches reward the behavior. Ask the kids that bust their butts, train, lift and play on age about what they think of this? Ask them if they think it's cheating them? Let's see... My kid is 6-1 175 and just an ok player... I've got it! Put him with kids 18-24 months younger and lets see if he stands out. The most insane thing ever... Once again, show me another CONTACT sport where this is allowed?

Name a contact sport where it does NOT happen.
There seem to be three levels of perspectives with the reclassification issue.
Is it illegal, unethical, immoral?
Illegal, Clearly not.
Unethical? Maybe, depending on whether you consider someone working WITHIN the rules to provide an advantage to their child as unethical. Rules established by US Lacrosse govern. Rules established by regions apply to the regions.
Immoral? Depends on ones moral code, but most likely yes for most people. "Gaming a system" or "working within the rules" are justifications for the actions. That said, however, what of the non athlete parents out there who ask why an athlete can be admitted to a school with lesser grades. Isn't college about academics? If so, why is a 3.0 athlete getting in over my 3.6 drama student? Shouldn't all applicants, athlete and non-athlete be in the same general application pool? So the question is, how is that different that gaining an advantage over another athlete by reclassifying? Isn't the athlete using other criteria to improve their chances for selection over the non athlete? So what is the difference if one athlete gains an advantage over another?

If at first you can't succeed, play down, play down, play down. Disgusting. People want to congratulate this kid?? What's wrong with our sport? Of course these disgraceful coaches reward the behavior. Ask the kids that bust their butts, train, lift and play on age about what they think of this? Ask them if they think it's cheating them? Let's see... My kid is 6-1 175 and just an ok player... I've got it! Put him with kids 18-24 months younger and lets see if he stands out. The most insane thing ever... Once again, show me another CONTACT sport where this is allowed?

Soccer, Hockey, Girls Field Hockey. Happens in every sport in various leagues, school districts etc. More prevalent in the career sports where 8th graders are committing to Nick Saban etc...

Curious what folks think of the pg year. Is it gaming the system like reclassing? My son is a freshman, has been to all the right tournaments, is on one of the best club teams in the nation, but hasn't gotten any interest from colleges. He has several kids on his hs and club teams who have committed already. Athletically, he is equal to these kids, but shooting wise he's slightly behind he a started lacroase a little later than most on his team, An extra year of skill set development might do him well. Thoughts?

Think of it this way : this is a guaranteed fifth year of payments added to your college planning, often with a price tag in the $40,000-$50,000 range.

Therefore, if your son or daughter was to get a 0.25 scholarship at a four year private institution provided that he/she completes a PG year, you have financially "broken even" with your son or daughter now locked into the lacrosse program for four years. Should your child quit lacrosse in those four years, you are guaranteed to be behind in term of finances.

In a world where folks are struggling with massive collegiate debt loads, it is difficult to understand how the lacrosse culture still professes loyalty to the PG concept.

If we heard you right your kid is a freshman. Have patience. There are some great schools that do their recruiting later.

What is "pg"?

I agree with that, but aren't there scholarships to the PG schools. I have heard of kids getting a "full ride" to schools like the Deerfield Academy. I also have a question about redshirting. Does the athelete still receive their scholarship money for a redshirt year? Seems great if true. An extra year paid for to get course work done.

I agree with that, but aren't there scholarships to the PG schools. I have heard of kids getting a "full ride" to schools like the Deerfield Academy.

I also have a question about redshirting. Does the athelete still receive their scholarship money for a redshirt year? Seems great if true. An extra year paid for to get course work done.

Who do you think is paying for all of these free rides? How many parents do you think are sending their children to Deerfield (or similar) to pick up the tabs of another? These institutions are not sitting on endowments that underpin many colleges. Do not assume that you will have a free year of 13th grade.

Since we are talking about redshirting, we will assume that your student-athlete has a National Letter of Intent and associated contract in hand. Read that material very carefully. While some colleges will honor the athletic scholarship during the redshirted year, others will pull the scholarship if medically unable to perform. You need to be absolutely sure that you know the terms of the agreement you sign.

A PG year can be beneficial in many ways, but should not be used as a way to hope for better looks from college coaches. If your son has been injured during the sophomore/junior school season or summer tournament games, the PG year can provide the extra time for being seen. From personal experience, the top boarding schools compete for PG student athletes much like college. They know who is being looked at by what colleges and the circumstances surrounding the PG option. It can be because of academics, injury, the position needed for a college team but not in that graduation year, etc...but it is naive to believe you will opt for a PG year and create a higher level of interest that was not there before. It is best to have secured some type of commitment /plan from college coaches you are in contact with as the PG year is not the time to be seen by college coaches. The lax season is far too late in the game for that option in a PG year. ( aside from academic DIII's that many boarding schools feed into) Boarding School lacrosse teams get the benefit of having the stud PG come from their school, but are not in the business of promoting said player for recruitment. If your options are better taking a PG year, then there is no downside. Older, ( not always, often gives some boys the chance to catch up to those held back and all), physically stronger, injury free and all is great, but the benefit of knowing how to manage your time better in a more independent atmosphere, live away from home but still be in a somewhat managed environment and the chance to meet students from all over the world is also a plus for any young man or woman.

I agree with that, but aren't there scholarships to the PG schools. I have heard of kids getting a "full ride" to schools like the Deerfield Academy. I also have a question about redshirting. Does the athelete still receive their scholarship money for a redshirt year? Seems great if true. An extra year paid for to get course work done.

Every BCS football player is on a 5 year ride. The money is there to do it, and that is the difference.

Isn't a scholarship a year to year contract?

Yes, in most equivalency sports, athletics scholarships are a year-to-year affair. Reports are starting to emerge (mostly from soccer) of multi-year agreements being used, but those are generally reserved for non-equivalency sports (football, basketball).