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Dunedawgs have a combined 7/8th grade team ?

They lost a very good middie also

CageSage-
Thanks again for moderating. Great board!
Interested to take up youth team age issues raised by posters. Age, not class year, is the relevant measure of physical advantage, in my opinion. I draw a distinction between youth teams and high school (HS) teams. 2017, or freshman, is our youngest HS team in Virginia. Our youth teams are set according to USLacrosse age guidelines:
U13: Born on or after 9/1/00
See bottom of Page 1: http://www.uslacrosse.org/portals/1/documents/pdf/participants/players/2014-boys-youth-rules.pdf
We do not set youth teams by class year, although an u13 AA team is likely all 7th graders (2019), and maybe young 8th graders, with a couple of talented 6th graders possibly sprinkled in. 2yrs per age group; U9, U11, U13, U15. I had never heard of U12 or U14 before finding this board.
A comparison of ages of U13 or 2019 youth teams drawn from CageSage’s response to my previous post:
LI: In WashDC:
12/1/99 or older are U15 or HS
12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14; U15 in WashDC
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13; U13 in WashDC

12/01/00 - 08/31/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/13; U13 in WashDC
09/01/01 - 11/30/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/12; U13 in WashDC

12/01/01 - 08/31/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/12; U13 in WashDC
8/31/02 or younger is U11 (or U9) in Washington.
The ages are very close, but on Long Island our U13AA Orange team would lose its oldest members; those born in September, October and November of 2000. There is no doubt that losing these oldest players would significantly weaken our team. These kids are mostly 7th graders here as our school ages run 10/1 to 9/30 according to state established guidelines. At the youth level, there is nothing sinister going on here, just kids that are in school together playing sports together. It seems odd that there is a 3 month discrepancy per class VA to LI. I am not sure why in practice we differ, except that perhaps our kids start 1st grade earlier.
There may be exceptions, but in my experience, within the NPYLL the USLacrosse age guidelines are followed. This is true for all NPYLL teams, even those in Baltimore area—Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, etc. Enforcement is an open question, but it is hard to believe that paid coaches at for-profit clubs would turn a blind eye to discrepancies. Older (and younger) kids routinely play out of class (and age group) because of birthdates that fall outside the guidelines.
As it is at the youth level, DC and NPYLL teams hold a narrow age advantage over LI teams since we are up to 3 months older. With reclassings (B.S. in my book), HS may be a completely different story, particularly at the privates.
Unfortunately, this reasoning also does not explain Jr’s team getting smoked by the Dune Dogs ;-)
-VaLaxDad

Dunedawgs have a combined 7/8th grade team ?

almost every crazed lax parent with an axe to grind and looking for the next Duke JHU Harvard offer for their prescious.

they'll also have their kid repeat a year (transfer to another school) in grade school and then their kid will be another year older than everyone when they enter HS as freshman.(just look at the recent 2017 commits).

lastly, they'll do a year of PG and be 21 yrs old by fresman year in college. red shirt another year and they'll be an AARP member at graduation.

it is a great system and MD (as well as some LIers) have mastered it

take a look at the rosters of theses clubs (especially MD) and you'll see.

Yes, they were great when we played them 2 yrs ago. If they are still together, and it appears that they are for the most part, I'm sure they are still awesome. Does this HDD 2019 team regularly play the top Express, Team 91 and other LI teams? How do they fare? Close games?

Yes, they were great when we played them 2 yrs ago. If they are still together, and it appears that they are for the most part, I'm sure they are still awesome. Does this HDD 2019 team regularly play the top Express, Team 91 and other LI teams? How do they fare? Close games?

The issue of the top 3 teams of 2019 age group on LI is they barely play against each other.

There was a rift between Express and 91 two years ago, they only played once. Last year Expressed play 91 twice.

Express and DD never played against each other. I hope that changes this year.

91 and DD played once or twice if that. Some say a few of the 91 2020 play on DD so they don't play the same weekends.


Have you played fl$ (LI) or Patriots (NJ).

No they play weak teams and beat their chests !! Won't play best teams without all their best players. No confidence in 60 percent of their our team...

No they play weak teams and beat their chests !! Won't play best teams without all their best players. No confidence in 60 percent of their our team...

Express 2019 is more of a B bracket team, they don't come close to 2019 91 orange and 2019 Dune Dawgs! They lost a lot of players this year. Didn't win any real tournaments last year!

They lost to 91 Orange by 2 goals last week. Come down off your horse.

No one is trying to stir the pot. The Express team lost their best player to 91 and and another talented midfielder to the Dune Dawgs. Their big lefty from Ct is hit or miss when he shows up and this is all on a team that did not win a tournament last summer and the players celebrated their incompetence on social network. A lot of questions there not remedied by beating B level teams in weak Fall tournaments. Just stating facts Sometimes perception is not reality.

91 only won by two goals and were missing about 4 of the top players. So having said that yes express is a B level team. Those 4 kids would have accounted for at least 5 more goal then it would be a 7 goal beat down. So keep telling yourself 91 only beat us by two goals and that the express is an A team. Hey you have to justify why you spend all that money somehow. Can't wait until we see you in a real tournament and the 91 and DD "B" teams beat you. Keep practicing.

Sounds like 91 and express were both missing players but at least they showed up unlike HDD. I know your focus is box.

No one is trying to stir the pot. The Express team lost their best player to 91 and and another talented midfielder to the Dune Dawgs. Their big lefty from Ct is hit or miss when he shows up and this is all on a team that did not win a tournament last summer and the players celebrated their incompetence on social network. A lot of questions there not remedied by beating B level teams in weak Fall tournaments. Just stating facts Sometimes perception is not reality.

Sounds like 91 and express were both missing players but at least they showed up unlike HDD. I know your focus is box.

Ok..so if 91 only beat them by only 2 goals after losing all these players, than you are telling us that 91 is a B/B plus level team as well. Typical 91parent.......

Somehow I get the feeling that the offending post was posted by a "former Express parent" and not a 91 parent. Seems to know just a bit too much about the team, heh? I think you should read the post again from a different perspective this time. How would a 91 parent know which player doesn't show up at things or about a posting on social media? I think you are getting your leg pulled by someone who left your program this year and is trying to get it stirred up. All 3 teams are very good and could beat each other on any given day. They are kids for pete's sake and we should stop living through them. Btw, 91 was actually missing 6 players against LIE and 7 against Dukes but I think it is silly to say they would have accounted for all of these "missing goals", especially because 2 of them are long poles,and 1 is a goalie (although the leprechaun has a great shot)! It was just a fall scrimmage people. Besides, it is obvious that beating 91 has become somewhat of an obsession for LIE - they play us at a level higher than they play others and have been practicing like it is the summer tournament season already. They have pride and great players over their too. Good luck this year and remember, its not about you, its about your kid.

At private HS in MD and elsewhere, you will find overage kids. I have not seen it at youth, and we routinely play teams feeding the MD MIAA A (HS privates) teams.

Fun to complain about, hide behind, but what's the solution? I agree with a poster in another thread--USLacrosse could stop it by simply refusing to insure tournaments/teams/players that do not follow its age guidelines. Make organizers, coaches and players all sign affidavits certifying ages. Easy implementation at youth, harder at HS level.

Sadly, it will likely take serious injuries, and follow on lawsuits, to cause real change. Likely too late for 2019 son...

I think you are right in saying that insurance is a great way to remedy the concern of over age players.

Also, kicking a team out of a tourney and forfeiting the games with overage players would be a deterrant as well.

Imagine the uproar if a travel team heads out for a weekend, incurs the costs of travel and hotels, etc, and is then forced to go home because one or several players are too old. You can bet that the organization would self regulate better so as to not answer to the parents that were furiouss abour a wasted trip.

simply put, at the youth level, it is not in the spirit of good sportsmanship to play against other players that are not the same age. it is also a blatant disregard of safety. all for an extra advantage either in wins or in looks from coaches...it's shamefull and disingenious.

Sure, there are more than a handful of families that are no longer on that 2019 team that have a wealth of knowledge of the 2019 class. Some wish you the best as I do, some may wish you other things.


But I am not sure it has to be an ex-Express parent saying these things. I am an ex-Express parent and have mentioned many of these topics to the families and dads of my sons new teammates. Many of which was already known to them. It was known to them because their friends have boys on other teams who have heard all the same things. So it does not have to be an ex-Express family airing these issues.


One other thing I cant stand is when you (or whomever) post that the only way to be considered an A team is you need to beat everyone. If you beat everyone who is out there left to play? Losing to a top team (within 5 goals) does not make you a lower tier team.


Happy Thanksgiving! and in that spirit, I am thankful my son had the opportunity to have been an Express player. But I am also thankful he has been able to move on and meet more amazing boys and coaches.

i think you somehow missed my point. first of all, it has nothing to do with who wishes me well and who doesnt. i dont know who you think you are replying to but you are wrong. Second, I never said anything about goal differential or lower tier teams - i dont post that kind of cr@p about kids. The point of my post was that I believe the original poster was not likely a "typical 91 parent" (whatever that means). The only people who would know about a an attendance issue with a particular kid or something the boys did on social media is probably a parent associated with that team - makes sense no? and how about this, when you have a conversation with someone at a training venue, and then two days or so later you read a post using the same exact terms, phrases and topic issues this person used and said, it would be kind of obvious to you who that poster is. And in this case that person IS NOT a 91 parent and i will leave it right there - just saying. trying to avoid the hate and put out the fire before it spreads. I dont think 91 parent would come on here and insult a team that they barely beat - just doesnt make sense but making sense is not a requirement for posting here.

Suffolk folks

When do,we learn which teams the MS boys will play. Having gone through this with my older boys, it wasn't worth them playing. Why, competition was not any good nor is the 1/3 2/4 and 5th period split time worth playing.

If my MS changed the teams they played it may be worth it for my youngest. When is this finalized

What School District?

I haven't checked yet this year, but you can go to www.sectionxi.org to get schedules for all sports and schools...