BOTC is opening our Fall 2013 through Summer 2014 thread covering the Boys 2019 (7th Grade) age group.

In order to introduce this year's thread, we are categorizing this age group's tryouts by date.

8/25, Outlaws, 9:00am

9/7, Team Threshers, 11:00am
9/7, fl$, 2:00pm
9/7, Team 91, 3:00pm
9/7, Turf Island, 5:00pm
9/7, Revolution, 6:00pm

9/8, fl$, 2:00pm

9/14, Team Threshers, 9:00am
9/14, Team 91, 3:00pm
9/14, Outlaws, 3:30pm

9/15, Legacy, 9:00am

9/21, Legacy, 9:00am
9/21, True Blue, 3:00pm
9/21, Jesters, 8:30pm

9/22, True Blue, 6:00pm
9/22, Jesters, 8:30pm

9/29, Thunder, 9:00am
9/29, Recon, 6:30pm

10/5, Revolution, 3:00pm

Replaying the Boys 2019 Fall 2012/Spring 2013 latest comments onto the new thread

I love all these posts that insult the parents of the kids on select teams. Other than directly insulting kids, it is one of the most devious cheap shots on here; impossible to counter because when you do the original poster replies "you see, you people are nutty" (or words to that effect). Its like trying to disprove the negative and lets face it, is usually perpetrated by a person whose child did not make one of these teams.
So let me add my two cents to the nutty parent issue:
we have been involved with 3 organizations: - 2 travel, 1 PAL. In only one of those organizations did all of the following occur:
- parents approaching, calling, texting and e-mailing the coach to tell him who should and should not be playing, and when
- parents yelling insults at children who were not their own from the sideline
- parents openly insulting other children, for example "this kid cant even catch, why is he in?"
- arguments between parents of the same team on the sideline
- parents who did not pay their way
- other general "brown nosing" to get in good graces with the program (I will leave it there)
- parents coaching from the sideline in direct conflict with what the coach is trying to achieve (e.g. Johnny, take it yourself, go to the cage")

Yes, that was in the PAL program if you havent already figured it out. Ours is considered one of the top programs on the island so if it happens in ours, it happens in yours too.

On a more positive note, we found the parents on both travel teams very pleasant and not "nutty" at all. As a matter of fact, parents from travel teams can leave all of the "town associated drama" and pre-conceived nonsense behind. No issues bleeding over from other sports, school, friends, etc. No resentment or jealousy towards other kids because they wont be competing against each other for a position at school. People actually rooted for other peoples' kids - and did it with sincerity!

Replaying the conversation from the Boys 2019 Fall 2012/Spring 2013 thread

You are correct. I am sure one or more of these things happened with our travel teams, I just didn't see it. I can tell you for a fact though, that all of these things happened in our PAL organization, and on the same team, no less. I think the travel parents - bashing thing is a bit contrived and played out at this point. Furthermore, it smacks with jealousy and resentment, and like almost all generalizations, is utter nonsense. It has been my experience thus far that the travel team parents seemed more reasonable and less under-handed than those at PAL. I wont say what program it is, but I should correct my earlier characterization to say "we used to be" one of the top youth programs on the island.

Please use this thread for the new seasonal year's discussion of Boys 2019 action.

Relaunching this thread to get the latest discussion on the proper seasonal year.

Replayed from Previous Seasonal Year Boys 2019 Thread

The Dukes final score was 6-3. I thought all 3 teams were EXCELLENT - It would be great to see travel teams play in the Spring County League against each other. We travel all over the east coast looking to play the best teams and we really don't have to look far at all. According to everything I've read, 91, Express and Dune Dogs are the best three 2019 teams on LI. There are other programs that are probably a notch or two below that I'm sure would love to participate in events like yesterday. All the directors should continue to set up little round robin days like that. The games were intense and every child benefitted from that.

Replayed from the Previous Season Year's Boys 2019 Thread

Okay a few teams have had a few games practices scrimmages under their belts and some have even played against the others. Presuming the below list is the list representing the LI AA/A teams for 2019 (alphabetically).

• What's your take on the grade?
• Are the Schedules posted for these teams so we will know who will potentially play whom?
• Can we at least say we will all go to Lax fest. By then all of our boys should be hitting their stride.

2019 list As of Fall 2013

91 O
DD
Express wolves
fl$
Greys
Jesters
Legacy
Outlaws
Revolution
Team LI
True Blue

91 has now played a few of the teams, you may be the best gauge on the grade, what is your take on how 2019 will represent?

Replayed from the Previous Season Year Boys 2019 Thread

91 Orange has played 12 games this Fall including the Express, Outlaws, Dukes and Legacy (2x). Most of the other teams were decent, not great, but not exactly pushovers either. We did not always play great, but we managed to win them all. The most competitive were Express and Dukes but Legacy is very solid and will be a team to contend with next Spring. I dont think the results really should translate to being on the top of some meaningless list which is only written to stir the pot, but we learned where we need work, and we also learned that the competition gets better every year as you get older. BTW, i know this is like throwing a lit match on gasoline, but 91 Crush belongs at or near the top of any list that involves LI 2019 or 2020. I know that can be a bitter one to swallow but like it or not, they can beat most of the teams on that 2019 list on any given day - some easilly, even maybe the DD assuming cloning people becomes ethically acceptable!

Thanks for the response. This is what I was looking to see/read.

My son doesn't need to be the best player, he doesn't need to play on the best team. But I would like him to always play the best he can against the best available.


Go 2019, with friends on 6 or more of the teams listed, I wish you all well. Looking forward to June when the boys are really hitting their strides and the coaches worked out all those correctables.

I haven't seen DD at Laxfest in years..maybe never.

He won't play without the crush kids I guess..

Replayed from the Previous Seasonal Year's Boys 2019 Thread



No, not a town team. I saw some Smithtown helmets, kings park, and I think Huntington.

How have the All Greys been doing so far?

They've had a lot of kids come and go they used to have kids from Gladiators and Kingspark . Solid B team

Don't they play in mostly A divisions? Thought they were A.

All Greys only play in A tourneys for 2019. Could be a B, Could be an A depending on how you rate the other teams. Havent beaten the top 3, but split with true blue and outlaws black last year, beat white. tied team LI. the entire core came back and have improved at every position. Time will tell.

A lot of kids come and go from the all greys in inaccurate. nice family team

The Greys played in Princeton and went 3-1 and went 3-0 at NYIT.

They tied Team Long Island B. Never played the A team.

Team LI B played in the A division at Shamrock last year?

Last summer we played them and we were in a B bracket....they beat us but it was a B bracket for sure....just saying

Which A teams did they beat on Sunday?

I think they try to avoid 91-run events, as an organization, for various reasons. My son's on a different HDD team, and I'm glad we try not to support anything that's affiliated w/Team 91

They are a nice family team but their goalie just left and is playing with 91 orange

Sunday didn't have A teams, They played B teams (Express, Riverhead, 91 Stampede).

Greys' goalie is the same as last year, please try to have your information correct before posting about a 12 year old boy. They are a solid non-profit team, A or B who cares! It is about the kids getting better and having fun.

What tournament

Who ran the NYIT tournament last weekend? I didnt see any advertisement. What ages played ?

What A teams did white play on Sunday?

What team do you refer to when you say "we"? Which tourney did you play them in?

I thought 5 or 6 kids went to HDD also

The Greys are a very good team, was very impressed with the way they moved the ball.. is that the old Gladiator 2019 team? either way very good team. My son is on express.

The All Greys goalie from Kings Park is playing on 91 Orange

No. Some play on both

I believe it was a fundraiser for the NYIT Lacrosse Team. Saw Express, 91, and some town teams, and only spanned 4 age brackets (2021/22, 2020, 2019, 2018).

Who is white?

91 white....my mistake, i believe that they played sat, not sunday....who did they play?

They played house of sports, Team SUperstar 2019 and NH Tomahawks Purple. Both of those teams are listed as A/AA with there organizations. Purple won the A division at the Harvard Fall tournament a few weeks earlier. They beat HOS 7-1, Superstar 7-3 and Tomahawks 7-1. They then played Black Dog which was a 2018 team that was somehow placed in the 2019 bracket. They lost 6-4. I'm not saying you said it, but they have beaten A level teams before and somehow are still looked down upon because they are the second team in the organization. Are they as good as Orange, no, are they as good as Crush maybe not but they will give them a competitive game. They beat fl$ last year, NJ Patriot, Smithtown A, The Terps 2020 and beat PowerCrush once which is really the All Greys. They also beat Riptide multiple times which is now Legacy and somehow those teams are on someone's imaginary list. The Jester's played almost all B tournaments last year and had a hard time winning and again, they are on the list. 91 White isn't because they are the org's second team and people won't accpet a 2nd or even a third team being competitive within the same organization.

91 white was at Yale Bulldog on Saturday.

I think that you had a pretty clear argument for White as an A team. One mistake that you made is that Powercrush is NOT really the All Greys. Some boys have played both, but DDs, Outlaws and 91 boys have played on Powercrush. Team is different every time they go on the field. Just for pick up and just for fun. Also, a little surprised you would use an indoor game to advance your cause. They dont count.

Wow why so hard on the Jesters they know who they are and where they belong. Sounds like someone doesn't like being the afterthought (not the second team which is Crush maybe not even the 3rd team which is Stampede).

I thought we long Islander's held ourselves to a higher standard when it comes to lacrosse. You should know until you play LI A teams consistently your not considered an A team on LI. You are a good team yes, but just because you play an organizations best team and they call themselves A doesn't mean you are an A team. HOS Superstars are good teams but not on Par to an A level LI team. Maybe an A team Westchester team.

Go play V's 2019 TLI team and tell us how you make out. Isnt the Stampede playing them?

"...Are you as good as Crush... maybe not... will give them a competitive game..." Wow I gotta scroll down to see that again. You really wrote that. Go ahead play them and tell us how that worked out for you. You say you beat Patriots, Smithtown A and beat RIPtide multiple times last year. You guys know how those all worked out for you. But this is a new year, do you really think you would beat Patriots again. I don't think Legacy is last years RIPtide team and Terps 2020 is a strong team.


BTW - Didn't you see the bracket you were in prior to the tournament. Didn't you see that your championship or playoff game would be against 1 of 4 2019/2018 teams. Why whine after the tournament.


Now I like your team, and your attitude. You're a good team, but please take a harder look in the mirror. Are you really the team you think you are?

Goalie playing on both teams

I agree with 91 whites case. They are treated like the red headed step child in that organization. But when u have crush and orange ahead of u it's hard to establish yourselves. We played them a couple of times and they are a legit A team but 91 directors consistently put them in B brackets and they destroy teams. Not making the kids better. Hopefully u guys play in different tournaments next year so u can prove yourselves. Good luck!

Trying to understand top Long Island Teams/Ages/Names. My son plays for nationally known WashDC based travel club, Madlax at U13. In past we have run into unbelievably skilled teams from Long Island, Dune Dogs and Express and others. I love the competition, but I can't keep them straight from year to year. Our teams are consistently named, so when you play a Madlax Orange you have the top team for the club in that age group. At youth our teams are USLacrosse U9-U15. HS by class year.
From what I read here Team 91 does 4 teams, 2 that are AA teams. Are all 4 team 2019's, by class? Would these teams be age qualified for u13 by USLacrosse? What are team names from top to bottom?
Long Island Express does 3 teams. All 2019s? USLacrosse U13s? Names top to bottom?
I have not seen Team Long Island or Superstar 365 in Mid Atlantic tourneys.
Summer of 2012 we got beaten badly (12-2? In our own tournament-ouch!) by a team named the Dune Dogs. I see passing reference to them but they don’t appear to be from Express or Team 91. Who are they? Same ?? about age qualifications
Mostly curious and would like to play all y'all again!
Virginia Lax Dad

LI pretty much goes by grade. Except maybe team LI for 2019. But i believe all 2019 are u13.

91
Orange.
White
Stampede
( with the caveat that Crush is a 2020 team. With some holdbacks that should be 2019 but this is a 2019 thread and they often play 2019 - is probably as good if not better than Orange - they claim the hold backs will be u13 eligible another year just late birthdays)

Express
Wolverines (used to be orange)
Terps (used to be blue)

Team LI goes by "U" designation.
Red
White

Dune Dawgs
Has some crush kids on top team. Other age groups of dune dawgs (actually calls themselves havoc dune dawgs) are not as strong as this one group/team of boys.

A few other teams are quality teams. Outlaws fl$ and a new organization Legacy. There are a few tournaments this weekend and thanksgiving weekend which may add some more color to the top teams. True blue (blue) used to be a top 2019 team but has fallen off a bit, top playr moved to DD. curious to see if they can rebuild.

But as far as second teams only 91s second teams are quality teams maybe maybe not A but very strong B.

Virginia Lax Dad - Keep in mind what this guy's talking about is all based on last summer, of course.

"ONLY" 91's second teams are quality teams? The teams were JUST created weeks ago, and you're already making these declarations? What team does your son play for, by the way?

This is correct. All Class of 2019 players are U/13 eligible however not all U/13 eligible players are graduating in the Class of 2019. The current age group conversion table appears below.

12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17

12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16

12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15

12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14

12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13

12/01/00 - 08/31/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/13
09/01/01 - 11/30/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/12

12/01/01 - 08/31/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/12
09/01/02 - 11/30/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/11

12/01/02 - 08/31/03 ... Class of 2021 ... 5th Grade .... U/11
09/01/03 - 11/30/03 ... Class of 2021 ... 5th Grade .... U/10

12/01/03 - 08/31/04 ... Class of 2022 ... 4rd Grade .... U/10
09/01/04 - 11/30/04 ... Class of 2022 ... 4rd Grade .... U/9

12/01/04 - 08/31/05 ... Class of 2023 ... 3nd Grade .... U/9
09/01/05 - 11/30/05 ... Class of 2023 ... 3nd Grade .... U/8

12/01/05 - 08/31/06 ... Class of 2024 ... 2nd Grade .... U/8
09/01/06 - 11/30/06 ... Class of 2024 ... 2nd Grade .... U/7

yes, this does get confusing even for people on LI because instead of using letter designations and potentially hurting someones's feelings, we now use colors, mammals and/or reptiles to designate the teams. As far as the age grouping is concerned, you dont have to worry if your child plays on a MD team. You are pretty much 6 mos. to one year older than the LI kids you are playing every time you step on the field unless you play up a bracket. Not whining, just a fact. For example, last year we played two MD tourneys, U13 category was - "born after September 1, 1999". The majority of the boys on my son's 2019 team were born in 2001 (a couple in 2002). So you dont have to be a math genius to know you are playing older kids (as if the 6" height difference doesnt tell you enough). Also, im afraid you guys down there may be taking a page out of our book - who the heck is Mad Rock? were they the Rock, Mad Lax, or some combination of both?

meant to say Quality A (not just quality) team.

Id be happy to tell VLD which organizations second team plays at an A level. Can you tell me which second team from the organizations listed are "A" team competition. I also didn't list the other organizations top teams that were B. I gave him in what my opinion was a fair look on the LI landscape. of course things will change in the next few months, for right now I call it like I see it.

Or maybe since he lost 12-2 to DD which had the Crush kids (just look at the pictures) maybe your second team is just what they want. VLD you decide. That is what is great about this blog. One person says something it gets critiqued, but am I really off base.

As far as Second teams you are right. This is based loosely on LY and what I know from the limited games and practices as well as from the friends of my sons on these teams TY. I am sure this will get updated between now and May.

Express - not sure how they will be your right. But history has dictated the better 2019 players run as far away from that second team. It is a shame they could have what 91 has in white a solid top B am looking to break in as an A (with a 2020 team pushing them to stay on top of their game)

Dune Dawgs - Had a good second team not sure what has happened to them.

Team LI - Has a solid second team, but their tryouts are so early you never know. (could have been a miss but this organization is such a mystery when you see them play)

Outlaws silver /True Blue white /Legacy Renagades they all have second teams that will play against each other and play some good fun lacrosse. These second teams will also play against some of the other organizations and clubs (Jesters/Tomahawks/Million/Rampage/Vipers/365) top teams and will do well against them. This is the group that a boy or 2 will come out of and surprise everyone as a stand out after the hormones start kicking in at those different rates for 12/13 year olds.

Sage, Do they really have U teams and events with the even year - U8, U10, U12, U14, U16.

But a bigger questions for 2019 is what team has a player only eligible for "u15" on their 2019 team and therefore plays "Grade" only.

Are there any boys with a birth year prior to Aug 2000 on a grade based 2019 team. Boys who have been 13 for more than 2+ months.


(not looking for player names but LI teams that promote this).

Last year Rock and Madlax were going to merge and then the infamous e-mail from Madlax came out and Rock pulled out. So the Rock is back being the Rock with no affiliation with Madlax.
The 2019 team from last year stayed the same pretty much. Couple left the team and a couple joined.

My son plays 2019, is in 7th grade but birthday 11/30/2000. I held him for sure, but honestly never thought about lacrosse or any sport for that matter, he just wasn't ready. Who thinks about travel lacrosse when a kid is 4 and going to kindergarten?????

The organization is Havoc Dune Dawgs or HDD. The HDD 2019 Taylor team played at MadLax Capital classic 2 years in a row and were the champions of their brackets both times.

The organization has teams from grad years 2024 - Varsity. There was a merger between Havoc Lacrosse and Dune Dawgs Lacrosse and now they are Havoc Dune Dawgs.

Who really cares about the DD, HDD or any other initials you want to call them. Besides from one team 2019 I think they added another A to it this year 2019AAA team they are not very competitive

Stay tuned on Dune Dawgs 2nd team this summer. They picked up some solid kids, and a new coach, and should be very competitive in the B brackets.

Do you guys plan on coming up to LI for any games.

Spring Lax jam in May is a great starter for LI and then LI Lax Fest is always a good tournament when you should be peaking in June.

This is a very active and impressive forum--very happy to have stumbled on to it. Thank you for the volume of thoughtful and respectful responses. There are many issues raised and I look forward to addressing them in future posts.
Kudos to CageSage standing up Mid-Atlantic section. Hopefully soon it will be as entertaining as its Northeast sibling. I have registered and eagerly await confirmation to begin my replies--VaLaxDad

That is great to hear (H)DD will again have a another solid team for the 2019 mix. Have you guys started practicing or playing. Will you be playing in the next few weeks. Good Luck

What team and organization is so lucky to have a dope like you?

Just when the VA guy was saying what an interesting, respectful conversation this was, this knucklehead shows up!

This forum is better than any reality TV show!

Dancing with Cagesage !!! LOL

Carrie Ann, Len, and Bruno would never be the same.

Agreed, down the rabbit hole we go! Someone always has to come on and insult a group of kids playing a game. We should start doing what the native americans did - play to the death. Only it should be the parents playing and not the kids. When are some of these people going to understand that once these kids start playing at the high school level, this stuff doesnt matter (not it really matters now in the grand scheme of things)?

CageSage-
Thanks again for moderating. Great board!
Interested to take up youth team age issues raised by posters. Age, not class year, is the relevant measure of physical advantage, in my opinion. I draw a distinction between youth teams and high school (HS) teams. 2017, or freshman, is our youngest HS team in Virginia. Our youth teams are set according to USLacrosse age guidelines:
U13: Born on or after 9/1/00
See bottom of Page 1: http://www.uslacrosse.org/portals/1/documents/pdf/participants/players/2014-boys-youth-rules.pdf
We do not set youth teams by class year, although an u13 AA team is likely all 7th graders (2019), and maybe young 8th graders, with a couple of talented 6th graders possibly sprinkled in. 2yrs per age group; U9, U11, U13, U15. I had never heard of U12 or U14 before finding this board.
A comparison of ages of U13 or 2019 youth teams drawn from CageSage’s response to my previous post:
LI: In WashDC:
12/1/99 or older are U15 or HS
12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14; U15 in WashDC
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13; U13 in WashDC

12/01/00 - 08/31/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/13; U13 in WashDC
09/01/01 - 11/30/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/12; U13 in WashDC

12/01/01 - 08/31/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/12; U13 in WashDC
8/31/02 or younger is U11 (or U9) in Washington.
The ages are very close, but on Long Island our U13AA Orange team would lose its oldest members; those born in September, October and November of 2000. There is no doubt that losing these oldest players would significantly weaken our team. These kids are mostly 7th graders here as our school ages run 10/1 to 9/30 according to state established guidelines. At the youth level, there is nothing sinister going on here, just kids that are in school together playing sports together. It seems odd that there is a 3 month discrepancy per class VA to LI. I am not sure why in practice we differ, except that perhaps our kids start 1st grade earlier.
There may be exceptions, but in my experience, within the NPYLL the USLacrosse age guidelines are followed. This is true for all NPYLL teams, even those in Baltimore area—Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, etc. Enforcement is an open question, but it is hard to believe that paid coaches at for-profit clubs would turn a blind eye to discrepancies. Older (and younger) kids routinely play out of class (and age group) because of birthdates that fall outside the guidelines.
As it is at the youth level, DC and NPYLL teams hold a narrow age advantage over LI teams since we are up to 3 months older. With reclassings (B.S. in my book), HS may be a completely different story, particularly at the privates.
Unfortunately, this reasoning also does not explain Jr’s team getting smoked by the Dune Dogs ;-)
-VaLaxDad

Great explanation, thanks. LI appears more organized than I thought from reading this forum. Do these travel teams routinely play each other? Do you have a travel League similar to NPYLL (www.npyll.com)? Do the top LI travel teams play in a single tournament during the summer? Summer 2012, we saw Express Orange at Tristate (lost 6-5 IIRC-great game), but, sadly, we have stopped playing in that tournament. I have a million questions, but come back to it would be fun to get our best and your best together, and maybe throw Philly’s best in the mix!
See my previous post about age discrepancies. Madlax is usually 2 teams per age group, so our U13s have 2 teams AA and A, named Orange and Blue respectively. Occasionally, if there's interest, Madlax stands up a lower level A team named White. All team names are consistent throughout Madlax, but our age groups span 2yrs, so U13s would be comprised of 6th and 7th graders.
I am still a little confused as to how LI does it. Are you saying that Team 91 might have 7-8 teams between its U13 and U12 or 2019 and 2020 age groups?

Got it. We may have identified another difference. We try out in late August or early September and play a 8 game fall league schedule. 1 game, 1 practice per week, followed by playoffs. We also played 3 tourneys in November, 20 games or so total. It looks like you start later, no fall league, and maybe a couple of playdays and tourneys--10 games or so?.

I hope the age group differences are adequately covered by my previous post. Funny thing, before analyzing CageSage's post, I thought the Dune Dogs had an age advantage that would explain Jr's team getting crushed. My pride may have only been exceeded by my ignorance!

Poster is correct about Madlax Rock merger being on, and then being off. Too bad. Madlax stood up a "National Team" by class year for summer tourneys and the Rock contributed some nice players which appeared to be a win for each.
VaLaxDad

Great team, very skilled and fun to watch. However inconvenient, I think we have also debunked the myth circulating on our sidelines that you had older kids. Good luck in future and hope to see you again.
VaLaxDad

If this was directed to me, no, not that I know. I wish we were and will lobby based on responses here. I am a consumer, not in a position to decide where we go. Frankly, I would like to hear that best LI teams are participating in a mutually (in)convenient tourney in NJ or PA that would be well run. Tristate is good, but we have dropped. We play Hogan's Hershey, which is fun for the family but weak competition. Reffing iffy too. Personally, I believe you can only be the best by playing the best. Let me know of ideas
VaLaxDad

We do not have a league similar to NPYLL. I for one have been a proponent of having a NPYLL "North" where we could play our league here, NPYLL Central-PA/NJ, and then the teams come together towards the end of the spring to play a championship. The one drawback here is that the owners of the organizations will not do it because there is no money to be made, since the NPYLL is a non-profit.... The NPYLL website clearly states that they would like to expand to other hotbed areas. Maybe we could get the conversation going here on LI.

Laxdad14

Thanks for the reply, LaxDad14. Not sure of issues preventing LI from having its own league similar to NPYLL, but lots of smart people up there to figure it out. I can assure LI for-profit club owners that league organization or non-profit status has not prevented Crabs, Madlax or other clubs from draining wallets! Think of Championship weekend where all 3 areas -- LI, Philly, DC/Balt -- get together. Lots of profit potential!

Philly Fever and NXT have some good tournaments. How is the madlax box tournament over MLK weekend?

Laxdad14

LaxDad14 -i don't know much about this MLK day box tourney. I think it's the first year. Website is our mutual friend. Sorry.

Went to Fever tourney last Fall. Competition at youth was unimpressive. On the plus, had fun in Philly! Unfamiliar with NXT youth tourney, please elaborate. Overall, I could be completely offbase, and i know Philly is a hotbed, but it is even more confusing, and seemingly less organized, at youth level than LI.

Laxdad14 how's dune dawgs looking this year. Any new additions like last year? Is Bolla playing in Heckshire's town day?

New additions, yes. Actually looking stronger than last year. Bolla isn't playing, but a mixed 7/8th grade team.

They lost a very good middie also

I hope that mixed 7th/8th grade team is playing up in the 8th grade division where they belong...

Dunedawgs have a combined 7/8th grade team ?

Not DD's... That Bolla Team.

No... we were talking the town day for heckshire fall brawl. The 7/8 team we were speaking of was Riverhead (7th grade team from riverhead and surrounding areas calls themselves bolla). Laxdad14 and I have had some great conversations over the past year+ about 2019. Laxdad14 is spot on many times.

Where did he go?

almost every crazed lax parent with an axe to grind and looking for the next Duke JHU Harvard offer for their prescious.

they'll also have their kid repeat a year (transfer to another school) in grade school and then their kid will be another year older than everyone when they enter HS as freshman.(just look at the recent 2017 commits).

lastly, they'll do a year of PG and be 21 yrs old by fresman year in college. red shirt another year and they'll be an AARP member at graduation.

it is a great system and MD (as well as some LIers) have mastered it

take a look at the rosters of theses clubs (especially MD) and you'll see.

VALaxDad

The team you are referring to is the HDD 2019 Taylor team. (HDD = Havoc Dune Dawgs)
This is a team of 2019 & 2020 players. some of the best talent I have seen play together. They are coached by Mike Taylor, Dowling Men's Lacrosse Assistant Head Coach. Mike is an awesome coach and has worked hard with a hard working group of players.
The dedication of the individuals has come together to make a team that dominates in their age bracket (2019 or U13)
Getting "smoked" is a tough pill to swallow especially when it is at the hands of a younger group of kids. Please don't misunderstand, I am not bragging, just want you to have a clear picture of what you are up against.
If you click around the threads this team has a lot of negative comments made about it, in the end I think it is just sour grapes.
We look forward to seeing you out of the fields this summer!

Havoc Dune Dawgs (HDD) has teams that range from 2024 (2nd Grade) to Varsity.

They are not a one team group.

At private HS in MD and elsewhere, you will find overage kids. I have not seen it at youth, and we routinely play teams feeding the MD MIAA A (HS privates) teams.

Fun to complain about, hide behind, but what's the solution? I agree with a poster in another thread--USLacrosse could stop it by simply refusing to insure tournaments/teams/players that do not follow its age guidelines. Make organizers, coaches and players all sign affidavits certifying ages. Easy implementation at youth, harder at HS level.

Sadly, it will likely take serious injuries, and follow on lawsuits, to cause real change. Likely too late for 2019 son...

Yes, they were great when we played them 2 yrs ago. If they are still together, and it appears that they are for the most part, I'm sure they are still awesome. Does this HDD 2019 team regularly play the top Express, Team 91 and other LI teams? How do they fare? Close games?

The issue of the top 3 teams of 2019 age group on LI is they barely play against each other.

There was a rift between Express and 91 two years ago, they only played once. Last year Expressed play 91 twice.

Express and DD never played against each other. I hope that changes this year.

91 and DD played once or twice if that. Some say a few of the 91 2020 play on DD so they don't play the same weekends.


Have you played fl$ (LI) or Patriots (NJ).

No they play weak teams and beat their chests !! Won't play best teams without all their best players. No confidence in 60 percent of their our team...

91 Orange just Played Express Wolverines last Sunday in Uniondale.. Express lost by 2 in a good game..

We did not play 91 last year. Played them two years ago twice or three times. Can't remember. Played Express three times last year. Did not play 91. We do not beat our chests about winning. We just defend ourselves to all the bulls*&t that is said. Trying not to go down the negative path. Believe me, we can go their!!! Best of luck to your son and his team. Your 60% quote is assinine. Hope your son doesn't have your same attitude. Keep doing whatever you do, and we will do what we do. You and I both know our kids are developing at a much higher level.

I said it before, the two crush boys were at Express tryouts two years ago, and the director made a comment that didn't go over well; hence, them going over to crush. No need to say more!

Laxdad14

Why so negative... Laxdad14 were having a nice convo with valaxdad. Your the reason people give LI,lax bad names.

So, as I am gathering here, the top 2019 teams on LI are, in no particular order, Havoc Dune Dogs, Team 91 Orange and LI Express Wolverine?

Is there 1 well run tourney that all all 3 will play?

Express 2019 is more of a B bracket team, they don't come close to 2019 91 orange and 2019 Dune Dawgs! They lost a lot of players this year. Didn't win any real tournaments last year!

Express 2019 is an excellent team and will do a ton of winning this year. I am not an Express parent but did see them play last Sunday against 91 and PA Dukes. They are absolutely an "A" team and in my opinion can beat anyone on any given day.

They lost to 91 Orange by 2 goals last week. Come down off your horse.

Express lost to 91 last week by 2 goals and were tied at the 1/2. It was a very competetive game. I don't know what you're talking about calling them a B team - just trying to stir the pot and be abnoxious!

No one is trying to stir the pot. The Express team lost their best player to 91 and and another talented midfielder to the Dune Dawgs. Their big lefty from Ct is hit or miss when he shows up and this is all on a team that did not win a tournament last summer and the players celebrated their incompetence on social network. A lot of questions there not remedied by beating B level teams in weak Fall tournaments. Just stating facts Sometimes perception is not reality.

Ok..so if 91 only beat them by only 2 goals after losing all these players, than you are telling us that 91 is a B/B plus level team as well. Typical 91parent.......

What about the 3 boys that widely stayed at GC ? I'm sure they reloaded and will be fine come this spring. Still a very strong team.

91 only won by two goals and were missing about 4 of the top players. So having said that yes express is a B level team. Those 4 kids would have accounted for at least 5 more goal then it would be a 7 goal beat down. So keep telling yourself 91 only beat us by two goals and that the express is an A team. Hey you have to justify why you spend all that money somehow. Can't wait until we see you in a real tournament and the 91 and DD "B" teams beat you. Keep practicing.

I heard that 91 was also missing Bigfoot, a Unicorn and a Leprechaun. Those guys are good for at least 10 goals each, so wasn't the REAL beat down more like 37!

Sounds like 91 and express were both missing players but at least they showed up unlike HDD. I know your focus is box.

Doesn't sound like express was missing anyone. That is there A team if you can believe it. If you think what happened to this express team over the last few years it is amazing. They went from being the number one in the area to now being called a B team. WOW

I truly don't know what's sadder. That a grown adult keeps record of a team that his son does not play for or that he follows 12 year old boys on Instagram. Just stating the facts.

Phil personally spoke to Mike C. Mike knew that HDD could not be there and that HDD players were committed elsewhere. So if someone said HDD would be there, they spoke out of turn.

And for your info genius…Box Lacrosse is on Saturday NOT Sunday. You should come down and see what the training is about. College Coaches are raving about the training bonus of utilizing REAL Canadian Box Lacrosse as an off season training method.

Let's wait until the Summer Travel Season and see who shakes out where. Many of the teams have new players that need to be integrating into playing with their new teams and being coached by someone different.

And let's also remember this is 2019 (U13) Lacrosse, NOT DI Lacrosse people.

Do goalies benefit from box lacrosse training or is it geared just for field players ?

Somehow I get the feeling that the offending post was posted by a "former Express parent" and not a 91 parent. Seems to know just a bit too much about the team, heh? I think you should read the post again from a different perspective this time. How would a 91 parent know which player doesn't show up at things or about a posting on social media? I think you are getting your leg pulled by someone who left your program this year and is trying to get it stirred up. All 3 teams are very good and could beat each other on any given day. They are kids for pete's sake and we should stop living through them. Btw, 91 was actually missing 6 players against LIE and 7 against Dukes but I think it is silly to say they would have accounted for all of these "missing goals", especially because 2 of them are long poles,and 1 is a goalie (although the leprechaun has a great shot)! It was just a fall scrimmage people. Besides, it is obvious that beating 91 has become somewhat of an obsession for LIE - they play us at a level higher than they play others and have been practicing like it is the summer tournament season already. They have pride and great players over their too. Good luck this year and remember, its not about you, its about your kid.

Everyone needs to remember ..It's not about the team at all. It's only about doing whats best for your child. No one moves around because they want to be on a winning team. All these kids switch because either they didn't get the playing time or they want to go to an organization that will help them to be on the team in H.S.. In the end the idea of trying to be on the best team is a joke. No one is paying 2K to have their kid sit on the bench. SO don't worry about what team your kid is on we should just be selfish as sad as it sounds and do whats best for your kid not the organization or team

Sure, there are more than a handful of families that are no longer on that 2019 team that have a wealth of knowledge of the 2019 class. Some wish you the best as I do, some may wish you other things.


But I am not sure it has to be an ex-Express parent saying these things. I am an ex-Express parent and have mentioned many of these topics to the families and dads of my sons new teammates. Many of which was already known to them. It was known to them because their friends have boys on other teams who have heard all the same things. So it does not have to be an ex-Express family airing these issues.


One other thing I cant stand is when you (or whomever) post that the only way to be considered an A team is you need to beat everyone. If you beat everyone who is out there left to play? Losing to a top team (within 5 goals) does not make you a lower tier team.


Happy Thanksgiving! and in that spirit, I am thankful my son had the opportunity to have been an Express player. But I am also thankful he has been able to move on and meet more amazing boys and coaches.

I think you are right in saying that insurance is a great way to remedy the concern of over age players.

Also, kicking a team out of a tourney and forfeiting the games with overage players would be a deterrant as well.

Imagine the uproar if a travel team heads out for a weekend, incurs the costs of travel and hotels, etc, and is then forced to go home because one or several players are too old. You can bet that the organization would self regulate better so as to not answer to the parents that were furiouss abour a wasted trip.

simply put, at the youth level, it is not in the spirit of good sportsmanship to play against other players that are not the same age. it is also a blatant disregard of safety. all for an extra advantage either in wins or in looks from coaches...it's shamefull and disingenious.

This NEVER happens in Youth Hockey, which is governed by USA Hockey. This organization goes by birth year and there is no bending the rules. If US Lacrosse followed the same guidelines there wouldnt be an issues.

never happen

i think you somehow missed my point. first of all, it has nothing to do with who wishes me well and who doesnt. i dont know who you think you are replying to but you are wrong. Second, I never said anything about goal differential or lower tier teams - i dont post that kind of cr@p about kids. The point of my post was that I believe the original poster was not likely a "typical 91 parent" (whatever that means). The only people who would know about a an attendance issue with a particular kid or something the boys did on social media is probably a parent associated with that team - makes sense no? and how about this, when you have a conversation with someone at a training venue, and then two days or so later you read a post using the same exact terms, phrases and topic issues this person used and said, it would be kind of obvious to you who that poster is. And in this case that person IS NOT a 91 parent and i will leave it right there - just saying. trying to avoid the hate and put out the fire before it spreads. I dont think 91 parent would come on here and insult a team that they barely beat - just doesnt make sense but making sense is not a requirement for posting here.

I don't know who I was posting to, doesn't matter to me it was in general. The topics of boys migrating to other teams (91 & DD) and the CT boy hardly showing up are all well known. It did not have to be a former express parent. That is what I took as your point.

The part about goal differential that is all over every forum Is Not directed at You, it was at whomever. Because I, unlike you ain't smart enough to figure out who is posting. But I am sick of the... If we beat you by "X" amount of goals then you are not an "A" team. In this case it was a 1 or 2 goal game where both teams were missing players.

I don't know what training your talking about, there have been so many, but I dont want to spread the hate either. If someone was spewing venom and hate at a training session then sorry you have the wrong person. Just say'in?
(is putting "just saying" supposed to mean something?)

Suffolk folks

When do,we learn which teams the MS boys will play. Having gone through this with my older boys, it wasn't worth them playing. Why, competition was not any good nor is the 1/3 2/4 and 5th period split time worth playing.

If my MS changed the teams they played it may be worth it for my youngest. When is this finalized

What School District?

I haven't checked yet this year, but you can go to www.sectionxi.org to get schedules for all sports and schools...

Only the Varsity and JV programs are listed for lax no MS/B schedules yet.

How many games do they play in middle school? I know they played 6 games for football.

This information is defined starting on Page 133 of the NYSPHSAA Handbook, 2012-2014 (PDF Format) for New [lacrosse] State. Here are all of the parameters.

Modified (middle school) boys lacrosse requires at least 14 players to field a team with 9 minute standard quarters, 9 minute periods for five period play, or 11 minutes quarters for four quarter extended play.

Ten practices are required before the first scrimmage is permitted. Fifteen practices are required prior to the first regulation game.

Finally to your question : The maximum number of games per team per season is 12.

who is going to Shamrock Shoot out

No way, never again!

I've been to the Shamrock Shootout when it was 80 degrees and 28 degrees. If you take some time and coordinate with the parents on your team and bring tents, heaters, fans, generator, etc. you will be fine. Pretend your going camping for a day. Latex gloves under their Lacrosse gloves keep their hands so warm that they are sweating when its cold.
If it was easy all the time it would be boring !! Support your kids or stay home...
I look back at the pictures that I have with the kids playing lacrosse in the snow I just smile :-)

Where are Express and Team 91 playing this summer? Anyone going to Young Guns or World Lacrosse Festival?

Are the other 2019m travel teams coming to Philly/Mid-Atlantic?

Both teams have their schedules listed on their websites.

any 2019 teams in OBYLL

U13 (7th grade) Crabs were on LI this weekend. How did those games go?

They lost to 2019 91 orange 5 to 4

Crabs lost to 2019 Express Wolverines 7 to 6.

Interesting the Crabs lost to the 2019 Express 6-5.

So 2 months from today should be fun in OC, MD for 2019's. Sounds like Crabs, Hawks, 91, FCA, Rising Sons, Rock all going. What other teams?

Stuck around yesterday to watch the 2019 Rising Sons play 2020 Crush. What a beatdown that was. Men vs boys. It looked like the Rising sons brought the starting lineup from the 1977 Syracuse Bulldogs.

Relax Final score of the game was 9-6 hardly a beat down.

I don't get why everyone is acting like the Rising Sons team is made up of a bunch of giants, every single team we play in PA has kids that are the same size. I know there has to be big boys in Long Island too. The question is, what teams do they play for?

LOL, Beat Down, got Crushed and joey wasn't there to save the day. Get use to it, I remember when the Turtles suffered their first loss. Look out.

What was score ?

Why did Rising Sons play a 2020 team and not a 2019 team to begin with? If 2019 Crabs and Express were there, wouldn't it make sense for them to play those teams?

They did. Played Outlaws Black 2019 and NYC Express 2019. Beat both handedly.

I believe that the term is "handily".

I would have liked to have seen them play the Top 2019 Express and the top Crabs team. If RS's have not lost yet, they should be playing the big boys, why travel for games beneath them?

FYI they lost a game last year as well also playing up. Talk to me when they play someone their own age remotely close. Saw a bit of the game most of the Sons were close to or over 6 foot it was actually comical. 13 year olds vs 11 year olds will have that disparity. Think they've set the standard in own age. Tell me which 2019 teams play 2018 A.

wow crabs must stink if 91 and express beat them

come on, outlaws black and NYC Express are not in the same class as many good 2019 team (teir below). Crush is a fantastic team that plays the best 2019 teams when they can.

It is okay to lose a game or two. heck I saw extreme lose a game recently and they can back to beat that same team. It is sports it happens.

Always to the extreme. 11 vs 13 most of Crush are 12 and most of of the Sons are 13(some still 12 till summer). As earlier posts suggest...don't play up against the big boys. I'm sure the Sons will play whoever you throw at them. I know they are looking to set something up with Havoc. Will the double dippers not play now because the Sons are too big?

JS needs to hear that. He's losing his mind over this.

JS needs to hear that. He's losing his mind over this.

I highly doubt that crush is a team made up of all 11 year olds right now. There may be some 11 year olds, but I bet the vast majority are 12.

I am wondering when JS starts to look for those 2019 LI kids that fall fair game under US lacrosse rules for U13 for next year.

That's fair it is under US lacrosse rules right!!

Wow someone who knows the ages of the Sins and crush. Crush played u11 nationals and needed to produce birth certificates So I'd bet yes on 10 &11 So which 2019 teams play 2018 A??

They are, most are 12 and some were 12 this past Fall. You are seeing first hand what a bruised ego looks and sounds like.

The Sons 2020 played [lacrosse]'s too. As long as you turned 12 after 8/1 you were eligible. So that says nothing about the age of the Crush other than they could be 12 since August and have played. They chose to play a top team 2019 with their 12 year old 2020's. If they would have won they would have congratulated the Sons for a fine game of lacrosse. Since they lose its some major shock that they are a year younger. No S***. JS does this because he always has a way out. If he wins its brag city, if he loses.....you were older and bigger.

To play in U11 at nationals the players needed to be u11 as of 8/1/13. So they could have turned 12 on August 2nd and still they would have been considered u11 for that tournament.

I may be slow, but can someone please clarify, what was the score of the Crush vs. 2019 Rising Sons game? Sounds like Rising Sons won 9-6?

Either way another weekend a lot of teams played and the dune dogs did nothing.

2019 Sons looking at a possible 5/4 date with the Dawgs

Sounds like a rematch is in order. On a turf field with lines not an unlined gravel pit.

sons beat crush? whats up wit dat?

DD aren't usually too active this time of year due to the Dowling coaches being a little busy right now.

Funny. As we've always said, have your director call ours. Set something up. DD's never run from a challenge.

And played back to back games with no break against Crush fresh legs.

Was one team playing on turf and other on gravel?

That doesn't seem fair!

Where on LI? if so I am sure there are a few more teams that would love to play?

5/3 proplayer 5/4 Sons game.

You guys (Sons - 2019) coming back to LI for Proplayer on 5/3. That would be great to see. If not, I am sure there would be a few other teams who would want to play you on 5/4 if you are on LI.


and for al those neigh sayers - of course you Dawgs and sons will play. Why, because those involve with both crush and dawgs like competition and know the only way you get better is by playing the better teams. Kudos to you guys

5/4 out our way at The Hill School in Pottstown. Our kids play rec on Saturday's so no Pro Player. Any 2019, 2020, 2021 or 2023 want to come down this way we can accomodate you. Email me at risingsonslax@yahoo.com

Are the Dune Dawgsvever going to play a game or scrimmage anytime soon. Inquiring minds want to know. We want to watch the self proclaimed best team on long island from offense to defense. Please let us know.

WHere have you been. Taylor does Box all winter, then he coaches Dowling and the DDs don't really start playing till he is done there. Been that way for years now

Dune Dawgs are playing Rising Sons 2019 on May 4th @HillSchool in PA

I also found out that they are playing legacy Sunday night at Dowling college. Any truth to that.

You are going to PA on a Sunday for one game? Long drive when you can play someone in your own backyard.

The problem with playing someone in our own backyard is that you double the number of obnoxious Long Island parents on the sidelines.

I think this scrimmaging of teams is a great idea. I think it makes the sidelines less obnoxious and an open atmosphere for both the parents and players to enjoy each others talents.

There is no need to make it adversarial. Lets keep it classy 2019!

You have a valid point good luck Sunday night and next week. Keep us posted on the results

Bergen Lax 2019 and BBL 2019 will also be there. Not one game.

Our parents are only obnoxious when we lose. Crush parents were great, no complaints until they loss to those Menonites, then they went nuts.

Did you admit "your own" parents are obnoxious?

Yes, that's what he said - you double the amount if you play here. His team AND the other team. If he travels, just HIS team! That was really funny actually!!

Yeah, well you know "our" Long Island Parents.

Looking forward to hearing the scores of these scrimmages!

Get a life!

Sunday April 27th 6:00pm & 8:00pm at Dowling

Any other 2019 teams interested in scrimmaging? I heard they want to play all LI teams.

Good, clean, positive fun GUY- take your blood pressure pill. It is great to hear how LI is measuring up to other teams we do not often see or play. There is a world outside LI you know??? Hope the boys all had fun!

You mention good, clean, positive FUN? Scores of scrimmages don't mean anything. You're probably the one who will come on here, and critic, and rank the teams, based on SCRIMMAGES! I don't need a blood pressure pill. I'm relaxed and looking forward to fun, and getting better, not the scores!

whoever said get a life was right!

Tonight is not an open scrimmage, but they are interested in other dates

With all of these scrimmages that were played recently, it is clear that teams are inviting other Elite team players to boost their squads in a scrimmage. Clearly these were not teams that were shorthanded. Is this acceptable or is this cheating?

Crush kid playing on Dd 2019 last night!

What do you mean "these were not teams that were short handed", and what scrimmages are you talking about?

I hope you are not talking about last night's scrimmages. No one cheated. Is it a crime to play on multiple teams. Especially when you are a fixture on both of those teams. I think it is a great idea to play with a multitude of players/teams/coaches. If you are a 2019 family and follow the players you know who plays on what team.

As a Legacy 2019 parent thank you for the invite and challenge. I hope we see each other again - whether scrimmage or tournament.

Yes, he's on both teams - Crush and Taylor's HDD 2019 team. That's old news.

One of the same ones that has been on HDD as well or new ones?

Just saw the pro player schedule. Good match ups for the is group.

You ever think maybe, just maybe, guys changed teams from last year. Stop the negativity. It was a great evening for lacrosse. We should all try to do this a bit more. Nice for the boys to work out the kinks before the summer season begins.

I don't think the poster was talking about HDD. There have been other games being played over the past few weeks. Ask around.

Really ? One of the teams is 6th grade . Another is a B that calls themselves an A. Another uses kids from Florida . And the last is a new team. I'm so excited.

When is it going to be posted?

What were the scores of the games from last night at Dowling?

F/O kid? Heard he didn't do so well against Legacy

you heard wrong

What teams or program are you talking about?

Oh, ok. That makes more sense...

They were scrimmages...

Legacy kid was pretty good. A lot of procedures though.

I saw both DD games against 7th and 8th grade Legacy FOGO kid won 20 of 21 faceoffs and had at least seven goals and multiple assists in both games and played very well. I guess you heard wrong... Thanks again HDD for hosting a great event

6th grade legacy f/o ripped it up too!

20/21 ? Are u his Dad padding hi stats.

HDD's FOGO kid won 20 of 21?

Of course it's his dad!

People calm down. It was a freakin scrimmage I'm sure both teams were trying different things and just see what they have. Unless you people have a kid on either team what do you care. Go check on your own kid give him a kiss goodnight or at least check and make sure he's not texting his girlfriend at 10:40 on a school night when he should be asleep. Some of you parents are NUTS.

Exactly...everybody should really calm down. I guess everyone's excited for the tournament season!

Who cares who wrote it, just stating facts that someone doesnt want pointed out. And FYI not Dad, just a teamates Dad

Who cares who posted, not a f/o dad just a team parent watching the three games. Legacy dominated f/o at all three, one game against a crush kid (yes we set that team as a true test) Does that upset you? And yes I know the kid was playing up, still a great day for Legacy! And no, I don't think we are one of the top teams, just trying to improve every week!

you shouldn't care who wins any of these games...Lets be honest ..the kids on the DD and other teams aren't going to be your teammates in HS and at a showcase when they get older they are going to all they can to show up their teammate because that's what the parent is going to tell them..Face the facts and only worry about your own kids...We all will make it look good but are only concerned with number one.

Have to agree with that! But a kid can't do it all alone, being humble and well liked by his peers, will take him a long way in lax and life in general. We walk a fine line between pumping up our own kid, and being truly happy for the sucess of his teamates. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar!

Thank you Jesus.

For the teams going it is a good draw.

What is wrong with a 6th grade team trying to challenge themselves. They probably think they can win. Why shouldn't they, they think they are of Crush Caliber. Will they truly be the 2020 team or will there be guest players. It is travel as long as they are age eligible who cares.


Jesters have been accused of bringing players from Florida. Express bring players from all of the island to play. Who cares both are probably true. They are a new team compared to last year, they supposedly gave crush a run for their money a few weeks back. Lets see how the Express Jesters game goes.


91 White wants to prove they are a top team. Top teams need to beat the teams in this draw. Without Orange, who they played well against, or Crush lets see how they do. They play Legacy first a new team that pops up a lot but have heard little on how they are.


The last team is Legacy the new team to the grade. Only heard they can be a dangerous team to be in a division with. Can they be beaten sure, can they win all of their games absolutely.

The true testament for the division is that last statement for legacy. That can be said about any of the teams in the division in this tournament. That is what makes it a good draw for the teams that are playing. If your son is playing I hope he is excited.



Good luck to all of the players.

That's not the Express A team .

Express website has 2020 barracudas as the team playing at pro player but the pro player schedule has it as 2020 terps. Can someone confirm ? Thank you.

I CANT CONFIRM BUT THE 7b SCHEDULE HAS A TERPS TEAM AND THE NYC TEAM. IF HISTORY TELLS US ANYTHING THEY DO THAT TO KEEP EVERYONE GUESSING. BUT PROBABLY BOTH IN 7TH

2020 TERPS IN a
2020 BARRACUDAS IN B WITH MAYBE SOME 2019 TERPS

2019 Express A team is the Wolverines and B team is the Terps.

Terps are playing in 2019 bracket.

Looks like first round of changes are in progress! Cant access the schedule anymore on PP site. Here we go!

Yes many know the breakdown of the teams. Wolverines is the A team and terps the b. We also know that Express has historically put the label of "Terps" in for their teams and often not even the teams/players knew who was playing.

Where does the NYC team fit.

Good luck to the dune dawgs this weekend playing the rising sons.

Any updates yet?

Dune Dawgs beat Rising Sons and Bergen Lax.... Good day of lacrosse for the teams.

Good job Dawgs . Way to represent Long Island.

8-4 Dune Dawg win over Sons. Sons looked very sloppy first half. Dawgs owned every face off. Great game. Beautiful facility @ The Hill. I'd suggest every top LI team play these Sons as I watched their 2020s and they are very strong. I believe they have a 2021 team also. They are also forming a 2023 team according to the director. Go Dawgs!

You mean the Crush dogs? wouldn't of happened if DD didn't misrepresent themselves with players not on their team.

Funny how people think that. So you think HDD I made up of two kids that are younger BTW ? How ignorant. They have weapons at all positions and are very deep. You must be obsessed with those Crush kids ? Why ? Don't kill the rest of the team with your anger. You should come down an watch them play and see then if you will call them Crush Dawgs. Very creative though.

Funny thing, the crush lost to the Rising Sun team with those 2 kids 2weeks ago not sure if you are aware of that? You seem to know an awful lot about the DD??? So do you still think the DD is just about 2 kids? Your a foolish little man. This team is extremely deep at all positions.Have your Director call ours, and I'm sure they would love to scrimmage you guys! PS- NO BETTER COACH AROUND THEN TAYLOR PERIOD HAVE A NICE SUMMER!

Some people just don't get it and never will. As I've said before, they were DD's before crush. Only joined crush because of what MC said when they were at the fourth grade tryouts. Please leave it alone. You people are amazing.

Didn't DD lose to Legacy in a scrimmage a couple weeks ago? Was that the same team that beat sons? Seems strange

the only thing I can say is that it is amazing the amount of negative talk about teams on here. We are talking about 12 13 yr old boys lacrosse. If your child plays for one of the consistently good teams, take it as a complement that other programs would want to play or challenge. The more competition the better. Why pay thousands of $ to have you kid blow out every team. where is the fun or challenge in that. It is better for all players on LI that they all have good competition. If some programs pull from here and there who cares. All of the bragging rights are to stroke the egos of the parents. The kids are competitive but any bashing always comes from the parents or from the parent through the kids. The kids respect each other until they are poisoned by their parents about it.On any given day we have seen teams that were favorites and were outplayed. why make excuses for a loss. A loss is a loss. The kids have an easier time moving on than the parents.. Be happy for an up and coming team to do well and congratulate the kids, be happy for them they work hard. Parents only pay $ and complain and slag other teams.

No DD did not lose to Legacy 2019. Stop stiring the pot. Get Sons to call Legacy and I am quite sure they will play. I think Legacy are the one of the only teams that have played most 2019 teams. May not have won many of those, if any, but they play all comers.

I am sure they would love to travel to PA.

Why are those "two kids" on DD? What happens when they can't play do to their other commitment? I feel bad for the kids losing playing time whenever these other kids decide to show up. Is it just about winning tournaments? I thought at this age it was about game experience and improvement. Coaches lack confidence in the team they picked from tryouts. Why not just focus on the roster, good coaching and play time will help the team improve.

DD 2019 Taylor did not lose. It was a good evening of great competition. Respect between the two organizations; therefore, no one came up here to brag about the games. Would your organization/parents have done that?

No, that was DD's B team against Legacy A

I'd say Tim Boyle's pretty close 2nd!!! Go Havoc Dune Dawgs!!

DD beat legacy by 7 goals stop the nonsense!!!

I would have to agree with you about Boyle, GREAT COACH, BETTER GUY!!!

DD has 3 2019 teams, and yes that was the B team that lost to the legacy A team.

Why were crush players on that team then? Esspecially if it was just a scrimmage?

When?

Saw both games DD vs Sons and Crush vs Sons. Have to say I think Crush is better. Crush beats DD

So transparent. No one is going to bite on this one. At least from the DD's. The people leave it alone. Everyone has opinions, just like something good else...

Crush players weren't on the DD 7B team. They play for the DD 7A team. Somebody said HDD 7A (Taylor's team) lost to Legacy, but it was the HDD 7B team. I was just clarifying that. Again - they were scrimmages, and it was a great night of competitive, fun lacrosse. Please leave it at that, so the HDD-Legacy relationship can remain intact!

We love having him coach our 2019 HDD team!

They're looking for B team scrimmages, if anyone's interested...

Yes, that is agreed, the question was why crush F/O was playing on that team that night? That's what I heard, am I wrong?

What game and age are u talking about

Oh, you're saying you heard the Crush f/o guy was playing for legacy? You know what, I forgot, but I heard that too. Thought you were talking about the 2 kids from Taylor's team that also play on Crush. I don't know the f/o kid, but I did hear that he plays for crush and mama's boyz

I also heard he shot Kennedy . Can you people shut the f*** up and please get lives. Nothing better to do but wonder. OMG you got me hooked on this stuff now too.

Haha! You're hooked too!

Great 7th grade middle school game yesterday: Manhasset vs. GC. Finished 7-7 with Manhasset coming back to tie things up after being a few goals down. Some really excellent play and (they are in 7th grade after all) some mental mistakes. Manhasset had a few shots to win the game at the end, but the GC defense and goalie came up strong. At the end both sets of boys were thrilled with the tie and shook hands and congratulated their friendly rivals from across the Island. A nice end to a fun game.

Isn't middle school 7th and 8th? Middle school games hard to watch!

Some schools have separate teams for seventh and separate teams for eighth.
I know Berner, CSH, Manhasset, GC, Wantagh, Lynbrook have these squads.
Most schools have 7/8 combo teams. Some have all three.

Nobody on Mamas Boyz plays for crush also. Please leave Mamas Boyz out of this conversation.

It is but even with all the budget problems GC and Manhasset manage to get it done. Our school has 7/8 grade 35 kids one coach. How is it different for other schools.

Some towns have enough players to field an 8th grade team a 7th grade team and some times even a 7th 8th combined. I believe Manhasset and Garden City have grade exclusive teams. Meaning a team comprised of only 7th graders and a team of only 8th graders.

My kids school has 47 kids, one coach and made up of both 7 and 8th.

Why do you care? Youth lacrosse is about making players better AND about increasing their playing time so that they become better players. You make sweeping statements as if you KNOW what the coach's mind-set is HOWEVER you do NOT! Every player on Every HDD team is expected to be at EVERY practice, if they are NOT it effects their playing time. So in your theory, if they are not at practice they should have reduced play, you're right that's how it goes. So quit your obsession with these two KIDS and move along!

Too bad that's not the reason they play over other kids showing up to every practice, nice try though!

how about the long haired kid from the 2019 green team who is in the championship pictures of many hdd teams from 2019 and 2020? does he practice and get/give equal time to the kids on those teams?

Well said PP. Or maybe his wife.

Yes

you must have some ax to grind give it up whatever the case they are part of a team 1 or 2 kids don't make a team . they don't score all of the goals yes they are exceptional top of their class lacrosse players . But get a clue if you had a set you would name yourself again said go outside and put as much effort into your son and help him get better instead of spending countless hours of thinking of ways to jab at what is a great team of kids and supportive parents . Again name yourself and we can continue this but as long as you live behind this site you are a coward and loser .

Can someone tell me how the MS system works in their school. I understand the 1st/3rd prd and 2nd/4th prd format but who plays what. Is it an A (better players 1st/3rd prd) then B (next level - developing players 2nd/4th prd) and you reward or try and win the games with who is hot in the 5th prd format. Or is it an 8th grade (1st/3rd prd) and 7th grade (2nd/4th prd)format. and a blend in the 5th period. or is there no consistency amongst the schools and it is the coach's discretion.

The reason I ask is it seems our school goes A/B. But I've noticed the teams we've played leave some very talented players to play in that 2nd/4th prd (players who in my opinion are better than those on the 1st/3rd prd). I can understand if they split the team into 2 teams one as 8th and 7th and those talented players are 7th graders, but if you do that who does that help? Why not have those better 7th play with the better 8th, you will need it in the future.

Again my school plays the best players (deserving w/Attitude or skill) from that week in practice (or prior game) regardless of grade. I applaud my school for this and as such love the Modified format/concept they follow. Giving the better players time to gel on the same team giving them a sense of civic pride and building leadership characteristics. As well as giving that developing player (as they all are developing) the opportunity to play and develop with their peers.

But some schools seem to leave a few players on that "second team". I wonder is this on purpose for the sake of a win? or is it Sheer numbers and that player who is talented is just the 7/8/9th middie and you only run 6 middies during the 1st/3rd and you notice that 7th middie's skill more during the 2nd/4th. or is it some boys in the 2nd/4th are gamers and may not show themselves in practice and just pop in a game or the opposite and some go into a shell on game day and do not provide what you see in drills/practice.

Well said!!!

In our school district no matter what the middle school sport is all teams (A/B, RED/White) are evenly put together. There is no "A" or "B" team. I guess it's totally subjective to the school district. I would assume we are in the minority.

My kids MS, plays the A lines in 1/3 periods, and B line plays 2/4. And 5 period is used for coaches discretion.. Meaning A line might go back in, if playing a good team, or the C lines might get a chance if they are winning by a far margin. A/b lines are made up of the better players but most 8th graders seem to fall on the A lines due to maturity/size. But the lines are mixed.

My kids MS, plays the A lines in 1/3 periods, and B line plays 2/4. And 5 period is used for coaches discretion.. Meaning A line might go back in, if playing a good team, or the C lines might get a chance if they are winning by a far margin. A/b lines are made up of the better players but most 8th graders seem to fall on the A lines due to maturity/size. But the lines are mixed.

I would not assume anything. In many cases the 8th graders will be the A team so 8/7th split seems natural. That setup will limit some of the 7th graders who are very talented but really just let them shine in the time they are in.

I wonder do the HS coaches look at any of these games.

In ours the rule is best play 1st and 3rd (regardless of grade), next best 2nd and 4th. 5th for anyone not in those groups unless the game is real tight...then best go back in.

After 2 scrimmages and two games, the scores have been so lopsided the A line kids haven't yet completed the 3rd...

that said, the boys are having a great time even if the competition hasn't been great.

I have been told that Suffolk County Sextion XI Rules say that 7th & 8th Grade Lacrosse is to be split in "A" and "B" lines. The "A" group plays the first and third and the "B" group plays the second and fourth. The coaches decide what they are going to do if they play a 5th quarter.

When a team has a lot of depth such as Smithtown and Three Village you will see some strong players on the "B" lines. Generally although these players are very strong they might not be able to break into the starting group. If the coach put all of them on the "A" line nobody would get meaningful playing time. It is not the best situation but for the most part the kids are having fun.

To go along with my other post about not having a " A" or "B" team. We have separate 7th grade and 8th grade teams. Not combined.

We don't combine grades strictly 7th and strictly 8th grade teams. They practice separately, etc...

Ok everybody , we get it. Let get back to the trash talking about club teams

Section do rules

Rule 2 states teams will be unequal in skill
Rule 13 states there will be a/b format

Here are the rules for Suffolk County:

It is "A" / "B" format.

Section XI Rules

B Level Program - Five Period Format
The five period format is mandated for all B level teams in boys lacrosse except for those teams which have opted to be scheduled in regulation contest devices. The extra quarter format for extra participation is not an option for the B level program in Section XI.

Following are the conditions of this program:

1. Only B level teams may participate.

2. Teams shall be divided into two squads of equal numbers and UNEQUAL ability.

3. Coaches must exchange rosters prior to every contest.

4. One squad will play the first and third periods and the other squad will play the second and fourth periods. All players are eligible for the fifth period.

5. All points scored count.

6. Teams having the minimum number of 26 players are obligated to play five periods (unless on austerity) provided their opponents also meet the minimum number requirements.

7. If teams have fewer than 26 players but still can field two full teams, those teams may opt to play five periods. (If substitutes are used, note #8.)

8. No player may play in more than three periods of a five period contest.

9. There is no half-time when five periods are played.

10. Mercy rule: The clock will go to running time in the beginning of the fourth period if one of the teams is ahead by 10 goals or more. The clock will stop on all whistles when the differential goes below 10 goals.

11. Extra compensation forms presented by the officials must be signed by the home coach.

12. Each coach is requested to make a notation on the rating card verifying the extra compensation for the officials.

13. All lacrosse teams must utilize the A/B format. If there are not sufficient numbers to play 5 periods, teams will still use the A/B format but may play 4 periods.

B Level Program - Four Quarters/Regulation Contest
When austerity or insufficient numbers of players dictate that five periods cannot be played at the B level, the following conditions are applicable:

1. The five period format does not have to be utilized.
2. There is a halftime.
3. Extra quarters may not be played.
4. Mercy rule: See #10 above.

Rev. 3/14

Just curious about a rule. In grade based tournaments can a fall birthday 7th grader play on a 6th grade team because technically he could have been held back?

No. You need to play in the grade you are in, period. He would be eligible to "play down" in U11 or U13 based tournaments, since they are based on age, not grade.

splitting hairs.. he is 7th grade play with 7th graders

No, not unless it is a "U" - age based tournament. But most of the Fall birthday 7th graders are holdback kids who could be in the 8th grade.

This regarding a 7th grader who is young for his grade so could have been held back but wasn't

In Nassau 7th grade, GC is dominant, Manahsset is ok, all the others are surprisingly very weak.

why play down. The object is to get better and play against better competition. Unless he is still learning/developing and cannot play with his grade. but then Id say don't spend $$ on travel and do clinics and camps

It was a player brought in for a grade based tournament.

Call it out, what town did this? Enquiring minds want to know.

Says the GC dad.

Beach schedule out....Crabs, 91, FCA in same bracket.

Team 91, thank you for committing and making the effort to come to Beach Lax. The match ups in each age group should lead to some very, very good lacrosse. It is great that the tournament organizers scheduled all of the games at the same location. Very good Maryland, PA and NY teams (Killer Shrimp?). Let's hope the weather cooperates.

Wondering why they didn't call out to see if anyone else in 2019 wanted to go down and fill in for that 4th team to help the brackets. Is it too late instead of those extra back to back games.

Surprised crush isn't playing in 2019.

The 2019 Annapolis Hawks should move from 11/12A to U19AA. They are a very good team.

Bethesda is very solid as well.

Im not. Why not start off in their age group. This tournament has some great teams within their age group. You dont know what is out there until you play.

If it turns out they outclass their opponents in 2020aa and are able to win this tournament, they get their Dicks qualifier done and can play up in every other tournament.

If this was towards the end of the season where they creamed their competition Id question it more. But I think this is the right thing for the first summer tournament. New season new slate. Kudos to them for gong this route.

Beach Lax changed brackets, Crabs and 91 split now.....FCA trying to drop down to 13/14 A league.

You think they can physically compete with the older teams down south? Those kids are big and by the way pretty good lacrosse players too. Some team their age group will get their number soon. They all balance out .

Plus it is aged based. The way it should be.

You mean aged Biased; where 18 months means a year.

My son plays for West Islip and played in a tournament down in Maryland this past weekend. Saw a not so good Maryland team but lost to a Team called Lax Army from the Island. To be honest I never heard of them before this tournament and not sure where they are based out of. They were pretty good and even though we didn't play that well they beat us pretty good.They only won by one but were up by 4 goals with about 10 minutes to play.

It was a good game. Both teams were pretty evenly matched.

any idea as to what day the 2019 teams play in this weekends JDRF?

Lax Army is a talented team that pulls together boys from a few different towns. Some know each other from town some from playing together on separate travel teams. The only difference is they don't misrepresent themselves as a town team.

How many towns were represented on the West Islip team? 3 or 4

All I said was that Lax Army had a good team.I never said that West Islip was a better team. We lost to a better team that day. Could we beat them in the future, I hope so but am not sure. What does it matter where some of our kids came from. It was a lacrosse game.

Lax army from what I saw had 3 kids from 91 white, a few from revolution, garden city and not sure where else but talented team I thought. Fast defenseman, a couple of really good face off kids , and kids who can finish. I'm surprised you guys don't put that together as your real travel team.

Did you really write
"What does it matter where some of the kids came from"?

They also had a couple of kids from fl$.

From what I hear the core of the Lax Army is from the Revolution, but there are players from other programs. Apparently some of their regular players were not there. They are a good team.

To set things straight Lax Army is a bunch of kids who have played together over the years and simply want to play lacrosse, improve their skills and have some fun while doing so. Last weekend was a coincidence that many of the players were from the Lax Army so they entered the tournament as such. The boys were able to march on the field prior to watching the semi-finals, play some lacrosse on Sunday and then have a picnic for the rest of the day in a great setting. It was a great weekend and a lot of fun for those involved. Thank you to coaches B,K&R for setting it up.

How many LI teams went to those games?

I think it is great a collection of boys went to play. I think it is awesome that the Lax Army coaches/players/parents have a team name to play under. It really stinks when a team goes somewhere and really misrepresents themselves by going under the auspices of a town/organization and call themselves something they are not.

It was just 2 games on Sunday to have some fun watching 2 good teams play each other.. No hardware or T-shirt just some kids playing lacrosse. Some of the WI regular kids couldn't make it to Maryland so we grabbed a few kids that we knew were going to watch the final 4 anyway..
I guess we should call ourselves the "LIONS" of West Islip next time to make all of you happy...Jeez..

Great game against Lax Army with a lot of talent up and down the field.. Congrats on your win.
Maybe we can meet somewhere closer and scrimmage once a month and get some Pizza for the boys..

I just felt bad for the two goalies that didn't get into the game after traveling down there. AT lest they got in the second one I hope.SO much for it being for fun.

"Lions", Jeez so clever. I guess you don't understand the definition of "under the auspices"

As far as the rest whatever makes you feel good.

All goalies played equal time in the two games

Just head posts on the HS thread about the 91 orange coach who they say now coaches hs Beware of this guy. 91 orange knows this guy plays favorites and obv his son on team 91 orange feedback?

The original WI comments regarding the tournament were put forth in a positive way so I don't understand the nitpicking. It was an exciting game that went down to the wire. I'll take a 1 goal game over a blowout every time.

My feedback is you're an idiot.

Really...Why would you lie on this site.My friends son is one of the goalies and that's not what happened.

cant we all just get along, it was a great weekend and the kids had fun and had a competitive game. Lets leave it at that. just to disclose, I am a parent from Lax Army

Most likely the so called favorites are the best kids on the team. Get used to it if your kid is a good player but not great...its the real world not fantasy land....Best Play 2nd best sits..

Just heard Thompson Brothers are going to be at the 91 Minicamp next week..
Kids love those guys !!

Crush 2020 beat team long island 11-9 in finals of lax splash. Scores here:
http://www.alohatournaments.com/Boys11_12A.aspx

How are 2019 teams in 11/12 bracket. Most 2019s are already 13. Am I missing something

11/12 is 2020 wrong page

They show 2019 teams in that bracket.

Here are the age break downs taken from the site...

Roster Rules

No player may compete, or be rostered, on more than one team during the tournament.
No High School players are allowed on any team at any time. This includes Fresh/Soph, JV and Varsity players. Any team competing with High School players will forfeit all games in the tournament and will not be allowed to advance to the playoff rounds.
7/8 players must be born after August 31, 2004.
9/10 players must be born after August 31, 2002.
11/12 players must be born after August 31, 2000.
13/14 players must be born after August 31, 1998.
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated and forfeit all opportunity to advance to the playoffs.

those cut off dates are U.S. lacrosse age group rules

Long Island time for change. Starts with you tourney organizers/club.

So what you are saying is that A kid born Sept 2000, who is only 3 months from being 14, is permitted to play 11/12 in this tournament

yes, that is what U.S. Lacrosse says.

Yes

who is checking to see if that 7th grader played JV this season? a 13 year old 7th grader or 8th grader is plausable

This is everything that is wrong with summer tournaments.

My son was born in March of 2001 and plays on a 2019 team for the summer. According to this bracket methodology, he could play on a 2021 team. That is all well and good except the fact that he is 5'7 and weighs 160 pounds.

What happens in these tournaments? Parents accuse the bigger kids of driving their parents to/from the events, smaller kids (who are age appropriate) get chippy with the larger kids and the pre-puberty kids react and chaos ensues. It is a recipe for disaster, but no one seems to care.

Bottom line is US Lacrosse needs to take a page out of the NCYFL book and go to picture i.d. cards and end this nonsense once and for all. I know it will never happen but one can dream.

The ages above are what US lacrosse defines as U9, U11, U13, U15

Yes but any one under the age can always play/ parents prerogative - but don't call U13 11/12... it is really 12/13 I don't think anyone has a problem with that

Any updates or results from the JDRF to talk about? A and B division?

What about a 7th grader playing JV?

If you played any high school lax (JV or varsity) as a 7th or 8th grader are you allowed to still play age under US lacrosse guidelines?

That's because there was no MS team due to budget cuts. And I don't think they should have been allowed.

How can your kid born in 2001 play 2021 based on the stated age rules? He plays 2019, which is correct if he is in 7th grade. What are you seeing here that leads you to believe he can play 2021? Your math is wrong by a lot. Even if he failed a grade twice, he could still not play in this particular tourney as a 2021 because the age rules prevent that from happening.

please clarify, what we are talking about here.

Scroll up and look again. In that tournament the age requirements are so screwy you can have an old 5th grader (11 year old) born before August 31 2002 on the field with a young 8th grader (13 year old) born after August 31 2000.

My son plays on an eighth grade team where some kids would fall into this group and they have not been left or held back.

If you entered this event as a straight 2021 you would most likely have gotten destroyed.

My point is the system is so broken it is laughable.

I don't see the problem though. Isn't this type of age-based tourney what all the LI'ers want? The ages are within 24 months of each other.

The bigger issue lies in the grade-based tourneys. In those you will see a gap wider than 24 months.

Ages within 24 months?! The maturity and human development gap can be twice that of the age difference, especially when puberty comes into play.

Play in your exact age until you get to JV and varsity, nationally.

Does it take a child to getting gravely injured to fix this?

If a kid makes JV lacrosse and plays as a 7th or 8th grader you feel he should not play US lacrosse at his age bracket. That is absurd. Punish a kid for being good enough to make it and play. SO a kid that is on the team but doesn't play what should he do .if he only gets in the last minute of a JV lacrosse game because the lead is 8 or more goals with 5 minutes to play, you want him to not play in his age group either that is pathetic. That kid will never see the field all summer then, is that fair..Think about it

Yes I think it is ridiculous but many tournaments state and I thought us lacrosse did as well if you play HS ball you are essentially disqualified from us lacrosse age play.

There was a some controversy with 2017 about this very issue 2 yrs ago. Not sure it was ever cleared up. Not sure any one followed it.

What I think is more ridiculous is a 7th or 8th grader on JV not playing but 3 minutes. Why bother, because your town doesn't have MS ball. For bragging rights. Wonder how that test was administrated. The county should lump all these kids together at certain times of the year and the county or section should administer the test. Maybe at Farmingdale or suffolk cc or Nassau cc or Adelphi or Dowling or even stony brook Wonder how many would pass then?

The state should also give more than a 3 day grace period to see if the player dare I say child is ready. For god sake there is a month before mS even starts and This year there was still snow on the ground. The rule prevents the right thing from happening. kids couldn't move back down if they wanted or it was the right thing. Another broken part of sports. Just put a policy in place and not look at the right way to go about it. When was the last time that was challenged or reviewed by the state. I mean really challenged.

Only then the true deserved only the true elite should make it. And what does that test really have to do with specific sports anyway.

I agree if your kid only plays a few minutes and it's not even in every game why put him on the team unless of course politics take place as usual. I'm sure it happens everywhere. The test should be done in one place I agree. SOme of these kids haven't even reached puberty yet and I'm sure they look it. Why put your kid out there if he is not ready. Did the coaches or the parent's even think about the chances of them getting hurt..Ego's by the parents not the kids. That's the shame of it. You can tell which ones belong and which ones don't

As far as the test this year when did the snow start to melt and when was it conducive for the outdoor stations. I think mid April not End of Month Feb.

I think there should be a town MS tournament in October maybe two or three weekends (heaven forbid the football players catch wind). have the boys play and you see who you have and evaluate them for the sport specific skills. If you pass the maturation portion and are skilled enough in a coaches eye why all the jibber jabber.

never happen I know but dare to dream.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree if your kid only plays a few minutes and it's not even in every game why put him on the team unless of course politics take place as usual. I'm sure it happens everywhere. The test should be done in one place I agree. SOme of these kids haven't even reached puberty yet and I'm sure they look it. Why put your kid out there if he is not ready. Did the coaches or the parent's even think about the chances of them getting hurt..Ego's by the parents not the kids. That's the shame of it. You can tell which ones belong and which ones don't

You know the statement of [i][b]plays only a few minutes holds true for travel teams. Why are you on a team if your son is not playing. Why get upset about his time because you paid thousands, I get it, but were you foolish to think otherwise. Instead work hard with him or put him on a different team. Find a team where he is a leader and playing a great portion of the time. Don't you owe that to him.

I am sick of hearing the bitching the excuses. Sure each team needs subs or 2nd/3rd line middies but if you are not seeing playing time maybe double check your son's skill and ability before you blame politics maybe take a little self reflection. Does pride get the way so much that you will make or son suffer on a team he doesn't belong on.

It is earlier in the season be a good parent.

Why are you talking about play time? That has nothing to do with it. Parents are holding kids back so that they have an advantage on the Lacrosse field. You are putting kids on a field that could be a year and half older than the kids they are playing. NOT talking about the JV and Varsity level. It is dangerous to have a 5th grader playing against an 7/8th grader. A lot happens to a kid in that time frame. Lacrosse should work like Football. Play your age/weight and prove your age and weight. If you don't make weight, then move up. Takes some time, but it is definitely the right way to go.

The conversation morphed to a new topic. why are you on a team that son doesn't see the field and play.


I am sure many out there see families on teams and you ask yourself why are they there. When their child can be elsewhere actually playing. I guess it is what is best for each child and family.

Heard Express 2019 Wolverines coaches were replaced. Any truth to this?

Heard it was the terps 2019 coaches.

guess you will see tomorrow? Do they need players?

JA? then who is coaching that team? JT?

Why change coaching staff at this point? Team has been together since the fall and just before the start if summer travel season they get rid of the whil coaching staff on 2019 Terps.....

Not the entire staff, only one coach. The two coaches that were on the field were always there. They (the terps) look like a solid B team and should compete. I hope they (express and the coach) reconcile and play nice for this season. I think the club owes that to the kids that were looking forward to a fun season. But that is the way it goes.

Terps looked good but I was very disappointed in the drop off of talent from the A to B.It was like watching a full year difference in age. First time I realized how much slower the game is. Hopefully there will be more competition in our next tournament. I hope he comes back to coach, he was great with the kids.

So is this your "opinion" or are you in the know? Heard they are getting rid of "dads" as coaches.

That would be unfortunate. THOSE 2 COACHES DID A TREMENDOUS JOB SUNDAY. That team has never won a tournament. They stepped up during a bad time and by motivating a bunch of kids who just lost their head coach the night before.

Another weekend will go by, make sure your child plays their fair share. If not OPEN YOUR EYES, and get him somewhere he will play and not just be a cheerleader. Sometimes it is not your child, it is the politics; other times you need to see where he fits within the group.

Good for them but their wasn't much competition to be honest . The B bracket wa very weak,. The kids should get their coach back

so here we are again on the beginning of the summer tournament season so will Dune Dawg's being playing Team 91 , come on boys lets get this game to happen on the Island at least once . can the two heads of the teams please do this.

And where would you go at this point if you don't like your kids playing time? Tryouts for all the travel clubs were last Fall and the team you are on has your $$$. What are the realistic otions to someone in that boat at this point?

I am not sure the best life lesson in a situation like this, Struggle through with no avail or politely quit. It all depends on the situation and child. But please do what is best for your child. There are always a few options.

Speak with your coach. Find out what can be done. Be open minded. Does your organization have another team where he can develop more get more playing time. Ask to move down.
Go to clinics and work with your child. Just work hard at practice with a positive attitude this is cyclical circuit and word gets around on who is a hard worker and who is a brat.

Remember most are now 13, no more saying they are only 9, 10, or 11. Showing them how to be good young men starts now.

Thank you Dr Phil.

Most of you people need serious help. It's just kids lax.

Says the person who has never been in that position before.

Jesters vs fl$ interesting game on Saturday morning. Shame we may have to wait till Sunday to see 91 Orange play 2019 Express. if they even play against each other

Jesters have fl$ a beating last time they met in April.

91 Orange not in this tournament.

I know they are not at fl$, but rant they at the same tournament. This is a 2019 page not a specific tournament page.

How come 91 and hdd never play each other being that they are the best 2019 teams. Don't get it.

We know. Thx capt obvious

They may play each other at LAXFEST next week.

Can't play each other when one team isn't in it..The DD are playing in Maverick. I'm sure the competition will be just as good there.

HDD is not in LaxFest.

The express won't give 91 Orange a good game. They only beat the Revolution by two when they played them the second time. I know they beat up on them pretty good the first time. If they play 91 Orange tight or actually beat them what would that say about the other teams. It would put DD as the top team and a bunch in the mix below including the Revolution and GC. Just an opinion.

Just play the games and see what happens

Don't beat me up over this one but I think the hurdle to say you are an A team is to beat 91 White in the age group. I say this because I think 91 White is an A team. That team takes so much abuse about not being an A team then takes abuse when they are in a B division. So to me there are an A team maybe not the top, I don't know where, but an A team. If you beat them you can be considered an A.

Whats with the Revolution and GC push. Is revolution a bunch of GC kids? GC do you still invite teams to play on the weekends or weekdays. How about inviting the top town teams to come down during the summer to play lets see who the tops teams. I think there was a fair assessment of the top 8 team a few threads back.

It is like NCAA football in the 80's the two top teams may not have met in the championship game. We all survived and it made great conversation banter.

YOU'LL HAVE TO DRIVE TO PHILI JULLY 12TH TO SEE THEM PLAY AT THE NXT CUP

http://nxt-events.com/events/event/the_nxt_cup/#more5-tab

didn't 91 get beat at the shamrock tournament by a 2019 team from ct?

Seems like 91 is ducking hdd or the other way around. I'm sure it would be a good game. Can u imagine what this site would look like from the looser of this game. Excuse after excuse.

Yeah but then 91 White beat that team so I don't think you can base anything on that.

91 White lost to Legacy 2019 Commandos at JDRF, so I guess Legacy is an A team.

HDD ducked 91 orange last year at Kellenberg and is wasn't Taylor who made the decision.

Legacy has a good A team and it could go either way. Its a good matchup.

That or both 91 teams aren't as good as they first thought they were.If 91 doesn't win their own tournament then you will know they are right in the middle of the pack and changes will be made next year in a panic. A little house cleaning.

What is with the yeah but? White is a talent team

Didnt they have borrowed players at that tournament. Isn't that why they won.

Legacy, 91 White and the Jesters all match up well.

Back to the borrowed player lines. What does it matter. They were beat by a better team that day.Don't make excuses. Sometimes teams aren't as good as they are hyped. Can white beat orange?. No . That is the difference between the A and B team.

They only borrow players from younger grades so if you consider that cheating, does not help your argument

I didn't mean it that way. They do have talent. I meant that on any given day anyone potentially can win or lose.

So if White beat orange , then White is an A team and Orange is a B team. If White beats teams that beat orange than that makes orange a B team and white an A? I think there are a bunch of talented teams out there in this age group. I think Orange and DD's are clearly the top 2 but they aren't the only 2 A teams on Long Island. If you put Legacy, Jesters and White into B brackets they will destroy teams and what good does that do for anyone. At least in the A they are playing good, close, competitive games. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? I'd rather win or lose a game by 1 or 2 than blow someone out by 12 goals.

Who cares. I'm a 91 parent and it was a good game, regardless if they brought boys up.

White can beat Orange it's just a matter of when.

wth are u talking about ? A little too much 🍺🍺🍺

Don't try and get us fighting with each other over this. They are two very special teams in the world of lacrosse and lets leave it at that.

Isn't everything ?

I am a jester parent. We played 91 white 3 times. All 3 games great contests. Could have gone to either team. Also great parents. Both teams. No issues. Coaches also are friends. Good cameraderie.
Haven't had the chance to play 91 orange but hoeing to at nxt cup. They are outstanding. But any or these A teams can beat or be beaten on a given day. Makes
For good fun competitive sport.

Guess that make GC an A team cause they beat 91W......

Still amazed that 91 White or Jesters could beat Orange. I would have to see it happen. In the tournaments that the Jesters have been in what is you r record so far this year. I hear a couple of the parents say they are good and a couple say they are bad. I know last year they didn't fair to well. Let me know. Have seen WHite play once and they did pretty good But I don't know their record either. If anyone does please let me know.

Who's pushing GC or the Revolution. The other guy said that he wouldn't give the express too much credit because they only beat the Revolution by two. and GC lost to revolution so he can't be pushing them either.

And Revolution is because they beat GC and who out of the local teams has 91 white , Havoc and Jesters beaten so they can say the same thing and have 25 teams say they are "A" teams

Did GC beat 91 W this year? If so then yeah you're an A team, if not you are still a very good town team. I dont think GC is the top town team in the age group but splitting atoms.

Now as far as where is Dune Dawgs/Havoc in all of this. Call them up and set up a time. In fact try and set up a 4 team schedule. DD, 91 W, GC & Revolution. (if GC or Revo cant go because get the jesters, Legacy or Express to come). 2 games Winners play winners losers play losers.

I am sure any of those teams would forgo a weekday practice to get a good scrimmage in.

why is beating 91 orange the A team litmus test? Can't there be legitimacy Otherwize? They the gurus? Come on...

All you "men " have no other interest other than 13yr old kid lacrosse matchups. Your wives are probobly out on the town with thei girlfriends getting tired listening to who's better than who. I'd watch out. Alot of mature men out there.

Please stop. We will never duck anyone. Especially 91....

Is the best HDD U13 in Maryland for Summer Exposure this weekend?

It depends does Crush have a tournament the same day? Hmmm where will the stars play?

91 White beat 2019 GC at the fl$ tournament today. The final was 6-5. White had a 6-3 lead at one point.

Yes HDD is in at summer exposure

How did 91 teams do at Adrenalin today?

Why is Team Long Island 2019's so proud of beating a 6th grade team at Laxpalooza? While their TLI 2020 team had to battle a 7th grade Lehigh Valley Outlaws they were pounding their chests. If I was the TLI 2019 coach I would have went to tournament director and had the two top 6th grade teams play and the top 2 7th grade teams play. Bunch of candy asses. Congrats.

2018 extreme and 2019 Orange won at adrenaline.

Welcome to our world up here on the Island. That team has multiple 8th graders on it. Kudos to you guys for hanging with them. Their coaching staff gives TLI a black eye.

http://www.adrln.com/events/2014-platinum-cup/scoring/

You wrote Extreme won but site has Express winning 7-6? I guess you cant believe everything on the internet. Doesn't post a score for 2019 teams.

The adrenaline site was wrong. I was there, extreme beat terps in OT. great game to end a great tournament. Couldn't ask for more competition.

2019 Team91 Orange went 6 and 0 over the 2 days..
and Beat Laxachussets in the final 10 to 7.

How did express 2019 Wolverines do?

How did HDD do ?

express 2019 lost to laxachussets in OT in semis

Ha ha OUR world of having kids left back for lacrosse

Assuming you mean at Summer Exposure. U13AA Champions. Won every game!

This is not accurate. AND we've been over this. HDD was invited by MC at the last minute and players had commitments and could not make it. Sorry…but HDD ducks NO ONE! We have been offering to play/scrimmage any team who would like to, yet no one takes the offer… So let's move on we are talking about 2019 lacrosse not the NCAAs

And Laxachussetes lost pretty good to 91 . Just trying to figure where he express fit in the ranking of teams.

It's
91orange
Dune dawgs
Express wolves
After that there are a lot of teams that are even.
91white
Jesters
All greys
Revolution
Garden city
fl$
Outlaws
2019 has a strong group of teams

Looking at Young Gunz pools at both 2018 and 2019. Both grades have entries for Orange Crush. Is this 91 Orange? 2x? I thought Orange Crush was a 2020 team.

Orange Crush may be a Syracuse team.

Yes, you are correct. http://orangecrushlax.com/2014-boys-travel-team.html

Thanks!

fl$ in top 10? Haven't seen them play yet, but I heard they were more of a B team

91 Crush 2020 is playing in young guns 2020 with orange crush from cuse

fl$ core of kids are really good. But no depth. I know of 6 players on that team that are legit A players and could help out other teams next year if this team falters again. fl$ does not get the quality of players anymore at their tryouts. Seen the last two years at the tryouts and im surprised they dont get a better showing. They do alot for the kids to get into college.

Legacy is in top 4 or 5

You have to put Team Long Island in that group, I understand they play a lot of away tournaments that are not run by 91 but that is a talented group.

If only they played in legit tourneys they could get in the conversation. They play second tier tournaments. What was the name of the tourney they just played? Laxapolooza?

Yes sorry not putting legacy in there. They are 5 or 6 I think. Team long island needs to play some of the long island teams to be in here. I feel they shy away from that.

if this was a u13 thread then TLI would belong until then they do not belong in the conversation. One 6th grader and how many 8th graders? I DONT CARE THEIR BIRTHDATES.

Without stirring the pot, I would like to know if someone could give some insight to the non LI teams. This weekend Laxachusettes will be at Lax fest; being they finished second this past weekend they seem to be an obvious choose to repeat in the finals. What should we expect?

But some grade insight would also be great, not only for LAxachusettes could you also give some insight to teams like Dukes HHH, WCS and others how would our LI teams stack up to them. Are they on par to teams like White Revolution GC Legacy where it would be good games or are they significantly a tier above.

(I am not stirring the pot by not putting DD I know you the same caliber as Orange. I am also aware it was a close game with Wolverines. Just looking for your insight to what to expect).

Laxachussetts black have many older kids on their 2019 team.. some are actually 15...this is true.
They have 1 stud that scores 90% of their goals.

Yes interesting what you are saying. 91 orange clearly beat FCA laxachusetts black. Not sure about the other teams. I really feel those teams are on par with these 2019 teams. 91 white legacy GC maybe revolution. So this weekend could end a lot of questions. Oh u also have patriot 2019. But revolution outlaws true blue and dune dawgs will be at big time maverik instead of li Laxfest.

So 15 year old 7th graders are OK but 13 year old 8th graders get everyone's panties in a knot? Odd.

15 years old and in 7th? How great will it be for those kids to apply for their learners permit next year in 8th grade and drive to their games.

They lost to a team of 13 year olds and some 12 year olds over the weekend. Who cares get used to it. Other states cheat and get away with it. Nothing will change until ID Cards are issued with birth certificates like in soccer.

What # is he?

Is this boy a middie or Attack?

Attack but the kids all over the field on offense..

Traveling from Westchester what is the deal on the games where the Jesters were double booked. Who are they/jesters playing Sunday @2:25. I am not sleeping over Saturday and wanted to make sure how to make my plans.

Will a new schedule be distributed if it hasn't already been sent.

You maniacs sound pathetic scouting a 13 yr old as if he's Lebron. You'll see who he is in the first minute then put your top defender on him. Not rocket science.

91 Orange ahead of HDD I don't think so. HDD has beaten team that 91 Orange lost to. What is 91 Orang's record of wins vs losses and Tournament championships?

New schedule was released last night. Check the Li Lax fest website.

Jesters are playing Laxachussets Black at 2:25pm on Sunday.

Jesters don't have a chance winning this game.

Laxachusetts black will beat them 10-3 I predict. Funny thing is some kids don't even see the field with that jesters team. Saw it last weekend at fl$ tournament.

obviously you are the parent of one of the weaker players on the team. Those are the only ones to notice playing time. Instead of bad moutjimg your son's team- go some place else. Stop whining.
And enough about the Jesters. Boring.

Lol. I'm not a parent on your team but I'm sure you know who is whining. It's true about certain kids not getting playing time there. They should tell these kids to maybe drop down and play with the b level team. Only hurting the child. Parents delusional!!!!!

And you must be a parent of a stronger kid. Funny how the team is very different w/o Florida kids. But you must be happy now because your guy plays now

Totally agree! But that is true for all teams. Never gonna be equal time. It's not PAL.

the prior post states (if you believe what you read on BOTC or the net) they are not on the team. Neither am I. I know a few kids on there. I see many that do not get much playing time or get yelled out when they do. That is not a character building environment. Most would be better off playing on the b team.

The sad part is you as a parent have got to see it. Are the sun glasses only shaded with rose colors? Or do you know it and wont do anything about it.

This statement goes for all of the teams. There were a few posts above stating the same thing. Parents wake up and do what is best for your child. Jester's you are not alone. 91 Express DD Legacy. They all have B teams and your B/B+ child might be better off on that team. Who cares how connected you are to the program. Actually if you are connected you really know the B team would be better off with your child. The directors know it you probably know it but you still resist the change and must say you are on the A team.

This age is about playing first then about challenging your skills then about learning. 8th and 9th grades are the biggest years of attrition why because the boys were not put in the right situation and are instead set up to fail.

there was an article about a Soccer, and how an -A player on a powerhouse A team started to falter. The parents stepped in and forced the child to go to a competitive B team. Sure a bit embarrassed at first but that child flourished anlong with the team and bith gained confidence. The child grw in time and in his HS was a premier player. A lesson learned for many.

If you think the weaker players are the only ones who notice playing time you are mistaken. I notice who does and does not play. Some are his good friends and my heart breaks for those boys.

with that said, I know why coach doesnt put those players in. If you think you're one of those players parents look at the parents you are not friendly with when you son goes in. Your friends will put on a good face for you; those from the other side of the county that don't know you may not.

Your right it's true for a lot of travel teams. Parents have to make the right decision and come to the conclusion my kid is so so and should play b level travel where he could possibly flourish. But so many people laugh at you because you think your kid is so good. And you know who u are.

Didn't jesters play Crush at a spring tournament this year and say they did well but got robbed against them. 3 o'clock Saturday game should be interesting.

Well said! If youth sports is really about the youth player and NOT the ego of their parents, they should play on a team where their value is and where they will gain playing time in competitive situations. Too bad parents let their egos get in front of their own common sense!

I think Crush might be looking to put Jesters away since there was some "we got robbed" chatter the last time they played.

not like they need any extra fuel, they are always looking to put their opponents away

Last time the Jesters played Crush they had a few kids from Florida on their team playing mid and attack, face kid from FLorida was not there and game was close but in the end Crush handled them. This weekend kids from Florida will not be their which means Jesters will lose by 10, just a prediction.

Things that make you go Hmmm

*Mass team and Patriots in bracket with Crush.
*fl$ and white is the last game in that bracket (is PB Revolution the same as the Revolution everyone is talking about with GC. If so fl$ White and Revolution all three in one bracket.
*Smithtown in same bracket as Legacy.

One thing for certain it will be an interesting weekend. Good luck everybody.

How do you know kids from Florida won't be there?

No it's not the same Revolution team "everyone" is talking about.

how you know so many details about this team. You must be a Jester parent bashing yourselves???

OMG, the Face-off wonder won't be there !

It's nice of the Crush 2020 team to allow another team to win 6th grade A. It looks like they are the only team playing up. Say what you will about the coach, nobody challenges themselves more than them

Crush is playing in the correct age group, lots of kids born in 2001, don't care what month...

Actually month is a big factor, most age based systems go from July to August not based entirely on calendar year

Any predictions for the Long Island Laxfest?
Who wins their brackets? I'm going with
91orange north division
Palm beach revolution south division
91crush east division
Express wolves west division

Don't understand your argument my son was born in March 2001, great student, never held back for sports purposes, is in 7th grade playing on an age appropriate 2019 team.

It blows me away how people come on this site and try to justify their reasoning for manipulating the system to their benefit.

Once they get to JV/Varsity level they all get lumped together so will not matter see all the cheaters then........

It's set up for 91 to be there so why not. I hope you know players on Palm Beach Revolution because I'm sure not to many people know them

and there in lies the issue subjective when determining that Mendoza line

This tournament is graduation year so Crush is indeed playing up. GRADUATION YEAR

stop with your nonsense, what does graduation year mean? the year that you should've graduated in had you kept your kid in the appropriate grade or the one they actually will graduate in because you held them back to give them an advantage? post the each kids' birth date on a no-name basis and let's see how many 2001s there are.

No don't know anybody. Just cant see 91white winning their bracket in the A division.

91 White will have good competitive games in "A" division, isn't that whats it's all about? They are 12/13 years old, for goodness sake, stop the madness!

So should they play in the B bracket and roll over teams ? Its about playing the best competition available.

And if they do .......it was fixed . LMAO

Why didn't we see the Rising Sons 2019 at the Adrenalin Black Card event? They put on a stronger showing than Mesa 2019? Express lost to Sons at Winter Nationals and I saw Rising Sons 2019 beat up on 91 Crush at St. Anthony's. Just curious why they were not there.

wasn't it an invite only where the organization got invited. Invite the top organization and you gain traction.

Mesa Fresh only lost to 91 by one goal

But wasn't that to their 2019 team? 91 Crush is better than 91 2019 Orange

I also didn't see Rising Sons 2019 at young gunz tournament next weekend. I see their 20's and 21's.

91 Crush better than 2019 Orange? I guess you don't follow these teams that well. 91 Crush is a 2020 team and has never beaten 2019 Orange.

Do the Dune Dawgs and 91 orange ever play each other? The 2 best 2019 teams yet it seems they are never at the same tournaments? Whats up with that?

How did 2019 Express do yesterday?

Hopefully they will see each other at the NXT cup. They are both scheduled to play in that tournament.

Who cares they are a B team and there best player was playing at the maverick big time shoot out with the CT Chargers losing in the semis.

is it true that laxachusettes 2019 yellow had 2018 players playing because it sure looked like it?

Team 91 2019 Orange took it all. Went 5 and 0 for the two days.

Beat Express in championship 11 to 4.

Have to second that opinion - several people mentioned the same thing to me

Why not, my husband had a guy with 91 stampede tell him his son isn't on the team just gets the invite to show up when the team wants to win a tournent.....do the parents on the team get pissed when there paying son who goes to all the practices has to sit out while the invite kid plays his position? Or do. They just want the shirt?

Does anyone have information on the LI Revolution 7th grade team? Trying to look at other options closer to home come tryout season.
See their advertisements all the time on this website but not much info about them. Thanks

Whipped them pretty good huh..Not good for the express . when it use to be the elite program .

Nice Try! There were no "guest" players on 2019 91 Stampede at LI Laxfest.

Isn't stampede a B team. In all honesty it really doesn't matter who plays in the B games. If the kid is that good he would be playing in the A bracket for somebody. If he is an a kid for another organization then there would be a problem but winning that won't mean much

Laxachusetts should not be invited back next year. The coaches admitted that they had several older prep school kids on the team. Their defense was dangerously unruly and the entire team was not very skilled, just 6 inches taller and 30lbs heavier than the true 7th graders. Stay classy Boston

When are parents going to demand photo ID cards from the the dopes in charge of these tournaments ? ? ?
Youth football has been doing it for years and years.