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christian marshall is a true freshman

Two of them are lefty attackmen. The two top lefty attackmen on the VLC team remain on the board. And that is just one position. No Balt Crabs committed and the top VLC players are still on the board. It is very early and the best players from the two top teams are not committed. And that might remain the case for some time because many of them want to at least consider the Ivy League and Duke, neither of which breathes near 9th grade recruiting.

Get a life. If a family decides to reclassify their child, it is pathetic to call that cheating.

God, you guys are total whiners.

Touched a nerve there, huh? :-)

Tell us the definition of pathetic, pray tell!!

As they used to say: if the shoe fits; wear it.

Ringers, cheaters, left back, held back, "re-classified " (luv that one)

Call it what ever you want....a cheater is a cheater.

Like father....like son,...way to go cheater dads...show us all how to get ahead with your lesser lax skilled kid using brute size and speed and being older and stronger.

Joe D had it right up here on LI: take the best age appropriate kids and bring them up and down the country and play up and beat everyone to condition the boys for the event of finally facing the CHEATERS; to which the skills of our true 2017's far outshine those of any reclassified CHEATERS...this goes for all Long Island A level teams across the board.

Head to head, one on one, we repeatedly suppress a little smile when we watch our true 2017's whoop up on the RECLASSIFIED CHEATERS.

Them's the facts.......DEAL WITH IT CHEATERS.

Our 2017's will get all and any spots they desire without CHEATING.

Now I have to go help my true 2017 narrow down his commitment choices. (Oops, is he taking away a 2017 spot from a 2016 CHEATER?)....answer: absolutely.

No cheating needed. And no whining here. Just chuckling at the collective blush I can feel from so many insecure dads in Va and Md that held their cheater kids back.

Have a lovely day.

LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.

Touched a nerve there, huh? :-)

Tell us the definition of pathetic, pray tell!!

As they used to say: if the shoe fits; wear it.

Ringers, cheaters, left back, held back, "re-classified " (luv that one)

Call it what ever you want....a cheater is a cheater.

Like father....like son,...way to go cheater dads...show us all how to get ahead with your lesser lax skilled kid using brute size and speed and being older and stronger.

Joe D had it right up here on LI: take the best age appropriate kids and bring them up and down the country and play up and beat everyone to condition the boys for the event of finally facing the CHEATERS; to which the skills of our true 2017's far outshine those of any reclassified CHEATERS...this goes for all Long Island A level teams across the board.

Head to head, one on one, we repeatedly suppress a little smile when we watch our true 2017's whoop up on the RECLASSIFIED CHEATERS.

Them's the facts.......DEAL WITH IT CHEATERS.

Our 2017's will get all and any spots they desire without CHEATING.

Now I have to go help my true 2017 narrow down his commitment choices. (Oops, is he taking away a 2017 spot from a 2016 CHEATER?)....answer: absolutely.

No cheating needed. And no whining here. Just chuckling at the collective blush I can feel from so many insecure dads in Va and Md that held their cheater kids back.

Have a lovely day.

LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.

The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.

Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.

Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.

is that because by then you'll have made your 2016 son a double reclassified cheater and he will then be in the class of 2018?

Cage - I am ready to talk baseball rather than read this nonsense anymore. For the love of God, man let's move on!!!

Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.

I think these 2017 players are at a point that "team wins" mean NOTHING. If your still banging your chest about that than its obvious your son isn't truly getting recruited at the momnent.

I think conversation officially over when it comes down to I know you are but what I'm i?!!

So your 2017 player can vote! Good for you. Move on.
(And your not "in" LI , you are "on" Long Island!!

Two of them are lefty attackmen. The two top lefty attackmen on the VLC team remain on the board. And that is just one position. No Balt Crabs committed and the top VLC players are still on the board. It is very early and the best players from the two top teams are not committed. And that might remain the case for some time because many of them want to at least consider the Ivy League and Duke, neither of which breathes near 9th grade recruiting.

This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed. JT Bugliosi to Ohio State a "true" freshman.
Congrats to the boys!

Go private.

Serious question - being recruited, what does it mean? My son has had contact from many schools and been invited to 10+ prospect days, most at schools he is interested in. Coaches have watched his video and viewed his profile, then invited him to their prospect days. But no coach has said we want you to commit. He went to Jake Reed last year and is going again this year + attending Maverick Showcase. His focus is on Ivys and Patriot League schools, who typically want to see some grades first. Are other kids in this situation being asked to commit already at these type schools? Find the whole process confusing and if you let it you could be doing some event every weekend.

Entirely true...we had to draw the line finally. The offers from the right schools are on the table. The choice for this true 14 yo 2107 is made. Announcement coming. Actually still trying to wrap my brain around the entire concept.

You go just 3 yrs back in time and these kids are playing PAL and goofing off and just having fun and we are all sitting on the sidelines waiting to hit the coolers in the trunk.

Now fast forward to the present: sitting in front of the desk of several D1 coaches listening to them praise the kid and tell him what opportunities this particular school will offer. Looking to my right and seeing a 14 yo conversing about college, course load, grad school opportunities and graduation rates.

Then digressing back to when I was 14 and just thinking about the girl in math class and how can I get her to notice me. Flashing forward again and seeing this mature life altering conversation go on between coaches and my son.

And then thinking back on the cooler in the trunk. How simple it was just 3 years ago.

I wouldn't change a thing. These kids earned it with the sweat off of their backs and multiple sacrifices along the way.

Funny how another arrogant parent uses one parents question as an opportunity to pound his chest. You did not address the question, and as for your bragging......nobody cares! And as for offers on the table, you better hurry or else before someone else takes your superstars spot!

Serious question - being recruited, what does it mean? My son has had contact from many schools and been invited to 10+ prospect days, most at schools he is interested in. Coaches have watched his video and viewed his profile, then invited him to their prospect days. But no coach has said we want you to commit. He went to Jake Reed last year and is going again this year + attending Maverick Showcase. His focus is on Ivys and Patriot League schools, who typically want to see some grades first. Are other kids in this situation being asked to commit already at these type schools? Find the whole process confusing and if you let it you could be doing some event every weekend.

These boys have committed because THEY ARE some of the best in MD/VA. Don't fool yourself. There is a reason they all were recruited so hard.

We are considering it but afraid of the expense for unsure returns. Anyone know if St Anthony's or Chaminade allow reclassifications?

I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.

If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.

Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.

In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.

I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.

Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.

Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.

I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.

If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.

Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.

In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.

I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.

Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.

Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.

I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.

If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.

Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.

In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.

I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.

Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.

Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.

These boys have committed because THEY ARE some of the best in MD/VA. Don't fool yourself. There is a reason they all were recruited so hard.

I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.

If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.

Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.

In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.

I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.

Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.

Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.

Too bad Sage doesn't make private chat rooms so that we could compare notes without being harassed. You'd be pleasantly surprised to hear just what activity we've gone through alone with such schools and who else we know as well.

Now onto dispelling another error on your part....if I can figure out how to post up a copy our DIRECT invite from JR I would do so.

I think your club coach knows exactly who is going to JR with a direct invite. If he chose not to tell you, that is between you and him.

That was a long diatribe filled with numerous inaccuracies on your part. Do the research. Call the IVY's directly and ask them...(we've been to four, btw at their request, for enlightening discussions, shall we say?) call ND and ask them.

I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.

I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.