BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) What's Your View? IMLCA Says "No" To Mid-Week Collegiate Recruiting

Wow. Speechless.

Now the college coaches are cashing-in, just like the high school coaches have been (with their town/summer teams).

I guess the NCAA lets this happen under the guise of having coordinated recruiting events. But usually one can follow the money to a conflict of interest somewhere in the process.

What's next ... "coach mandated hotels" near these recruiting tourneys?

Wow. Speechless.

Now the college coaches are cashing-in, just like the high school coaches have been (with their town/summer teams).

I guess the NCAA lets this happen under the guise of having coordinated recruiting events. But usually one can follow the money to a conflict of interest somewhere in the process.

What's next ... "coach mandated hotels" near these recruiting tourneys?

Can people give a rest to the whole Tuesday date thing. I am sure it was set to cater to prep/boarding school kids who don't have school that week. These kids generally don't have the opportunity to join any of the individual showcases during NOvember due to the fact that they have school on most Saturdays! For other kids, it's up to the parent and child to determine whether or not they can afford (academically) to take the date off. It is highly unlikely that any of the boys' academic well-being would be destroyed by missing a day of school, but that is between the boy and his parents and not the gang of opionated bloviators on this board!

Are they cancelling the Showcase or is it a go ?

Can people give a rest to the whole Tuesday date thing. I am sure it was set to cater to prep/boarding school kids who don't have school that week. These kids generally don't have the opportunity to join any of the individual showcases during NOvember due to the fact that they have school on most Saturdays! For other kids, it's up to the parent and child to determine whether or not they can afford (academically) to take the date off. It is highly unlikely that any of the boys' academic well-being would be destroyed by missing a day of school, but that is between the boy and his parents and not the gang of opionated bloviators on this board!

The real point here is that somebody has to take a stand against mid-week school day recruiting events if the NCAA doesn't want to. It's not so much a condemnation of the 175 but a pre-emptive strike against the dozens of other showcases that would no doubt spring up on Mondays-Thursdays thoughout the school year if nobody does anything to put a lid on it and confine it to the weekends. Having said that, if Corrigan Sportsw and the IMLCA now go ahead and try to schedule a mid-week recruiting showcase, that would be the ultitmate hypocracy. However, if they don't, then we should probably all thank them for trying to keep the recruitng madness contained to the weekends.

The real point here is that somebody has to take a stand against mid-week school day recruiting events if the NCAA doesn't want to.

It's not so much a condemnation of the 175 ...

... but a pre-emptive strike against the dozens of other showcases that would no doubt spring up on Mondays-Thursdays thoughout the school year if nobody does anything to put a lid on it and confine it to the weekends.

Having said that, if Corrigan Sportsw and the IMLCA now go ahead and try to schedule a mid-week recruiting showcase, that would be the ultitmate hypocracy.

However, if they don't, then we should probably all thank them for trying to keep the recruitng madness contained to the weekends.

Simple question : Why?

If your family decides that your student-athlete should not attend a particular midweek event, just don't attend. No harm, no foul. You still have all of those Saturday and Sunday events that are ever-present to satisfy your recruiting agenda.

Why do you believe that this event was interfering with school? Perhaps the schedule was in the afternoon and evening under the lights at Mitchel Field.

BOTC disagrees - the IMLCA absolutely wanted this National 175 event to be condemned. If you do not believe us, name another midweek option that would have been impacted by this decision. Name just one.

Remember that BOTC has no vested interest in the National 175 events and as a result it is not that we are advising the community on behalf of a sponsor. Instead, we are cautioning the community about the slippery slope that allows the IMLCA to control their coaching attendance outside of the NCAA guidelines.

Why should this tournament/showcase have to validate their dates with a coaching organization? What's next? Checking with the New [lacrosse] and New Jersey coaching blocks to see if they have to protect their own local recruiting events?

Having coached premier level athletes for years, I can tell you that it is NOT uncommon to have 120 minute practices three times per week (soccer) in order to get ready for a single weekend game. Exactly what is the difference between running a one evening, 4:00pm-10:00pm camp under the lights and weekly training?

BOTC thinks that it is a terrible sign that the IMLCA has forbid their Division I and Division II coaches from attending a midweek showcase yet :

• Division III coaches are permitted to attend
• a Press Release announcing their own IMLCA Tournament deal with Corrigan Sports is released less than 48 hours later.

You keep asserting that this has everything to do with a WEEKDAY schedule. In fact, nothing is further from the truth. Let's make it plain for your understanding.

IMLCA is going to stage their own recruiting events with Corrigan Sports. The IMLCA is going to exert pressure that their member coaches should ONLY recruit at their own sponsored events. This will be an attempt to CONTROL the Division I and Division II money flow for scholarships (which is why they do NOT care about the Division III coaches). By controlling the money flow, the IMLCA is trying to make a move on the market by controlling both the scholarships and the recruiting tournaments.

While there is certainly no evidence of such, doesn't one start to think that this sets up a pay-for-play model where recruiting tournaments will be charged for IMLCA sponsorship?

The real point here is that somebody has to take a stand against mid-week school day recruiting events if the NCAA doesn't want to. It's not so much a condemnation of the 175 but a pre-emptive strike against the dozens of other showcases that would no doubt spring up on Mondays-Thursdays thoughout the school year if nobody does anything to put a lid on it and confine it to the weekends. Having said that, if Corrigan Sportsw and the IMLCA now go ahead and try to schedule a mid-week recruiting showcase, that would be the ultitmate hypocracy. However, if they don't, then we should probably all thank them for trying to keep the recruitng madness contained to the weekends.

Good job! thank you Cage.

"...Remember that BOTC has no vested interest in the National 175 events and as a result it is not that we are advising the community on behalf of a sponsor."

Really? Don't you have a paid relationship with the Express whose director is also a principal of 175? Your views are tainted on this subject because you are defending a customer who has paid you advertising dollars through another entity. Explains your adamant and biased position on this subject. If a midweek showcase outside of your advertising base was the only tournament impacted by the IMLCA I doubt you would even mention it on this board.

Hey Sage are you kidding? Not sure it would interfere with school. This was scheduled as an all day event. Not an evening event.

It was wrong from the get go regardless of whether IMCLA has clean hands or not.

Maybe you were at a showcase when they taught " 2 wrongs don't make a right".

If we are lucky IMCLA will rule against committing Freshman and Sophomores.

Any idea if IMLCA will be taking the same stand for Blue Chip? Rising Seniors and Juniors have NYS Regents exams during the dates of their camps.

Please share your copy of the day's schedule with us. BOTC was in receipt of a draft of the day's events and we would certainly like to see what you have that refutes our statements.

What was wrong? Attending a recruiting event on a Tuesday? Because these boys are locked away in their homes hitting the books from 2:00pm onwards after a school day?

One more time : there was a market, there were parents, student-athletes, and college coaches who felt this was a solid recruiting opportunity. They were absolutely correct in that view.

Or perhaps getting my Master's Degree or PhD. Better yet, perhaps BOTC understands wrong from right without having to learn it in a classroom.

Friend, the IMLCA has made its will known. They have had the desired negative impact on the Long Island lacrosse community that they desperately wanted to inflict.

So, when any parent who is cheering this turn of events now needs to attend an IMLCA hosted showcase (starting this Spring in case you all have not seen it) in Maryland, Virginia, or points further south, think about how you are going to get there for your Saturday morning events. When the IMLCA refuses to have their coaches attend any Long Island based showcase in maybe a few years down the road, think about the ground work that you are allowing to be built today.

Stop drinking the local cool-aid and come clean on any business relationship (the boxes on top of this page) that BOTC (or parent company or any of its affiliates) have had with Chanenchuk via the Express.

What is the schedule for this showcase, as our son will be in attendance and we do not have a schedule as of now, please post BOTC if you have this information it would be greatly appreciated

The schedule for the Avon Old Farms tournament didn't get published until a few days before the event.

Is it definite that D1 and D2 coaches will not be there? The website says TBD.

I do not have a child at the recruiting age yet, however he will be approaching this stage of his career in a few short years. I am disturbed after reading about the IMCLA's partnership with CSE sports marketing and event planning. It appears to me after reading the press around this merger that only IMCLA sponsored events will provide the "scholarship opportunities" for the student-athlete for a "family friendly fee". If DI and DII coaches do not attend other IMCLA non-sponsored events then it seems to me that IMCLA and CSE will corner the market and capitalize on family's dreams of pursuing an athletic scholarship for their son. Families with no other options will have to favor these events, paying fees as requested and lining the pockets of this one recruiting organization. I think it's a terrible, slippery slope.

How's the turnout at 175 today?

Interestingly enough the women's college coaches (IWCLA) held their big fall recruiting tournament this past weekend in Florida which was run by Corrigan Sports. The majority of teams all had games on Friday. This meant teams had to fly either Thursday night or Friday morning thus mussing a day of school. At 7:30pm on Friday, Club Directors were sent the following email form the IWCLA's Executive Director Gothard Lane:

The IWLCA coaches are excited to watch the many student-athletes playing lacrosse in the 2013 President’s Cup this weekend at the ESPN Wide World of Sports at Disney World in LarryMiller, Florida. Due to NCAA Recruiting Rules, Division 1 college coaches are unable to attend this year’s Friday night games, but can attend both the Saturday and Sunday games. Division 2 and Division 3 coaches are able to attend all of the days. In addition, every IWLCA coach has access to IWLCA’s video library of HD quality video of every single game for the entire three-day tournament.

The problem with this is that many teams had already played games by the time the email was sent out. This was an IWCLA event and they held it out as the biggest recruiting tournament of the year because it coincides with the the women's coaches annual meetings yet they don;t let clubs, families or players know that the D1 coaches would miss 1/4 of your games. Ridiculous. Is Corrigan going to offer a 25% refund back to each club that was effected?