BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) NLF Rankings VS Inside Lacrosse

And now we know why BBL has been blocked out of the NLF.....gave 91 machine a beat down today 8-0

Eclipse beat them today and they play NLF

Your point is not made

Who cares. It’s high school and a Fall season. Players were missing. Will see when the Summer comes.

8-0 was at the half -- stopped game because of a fight

If you don't believe that the NLF is biased and run by Team 91....go ahead and look at what happened last week at the NAL tournament (they don't control that tournament)....their top older teams got beat down by top competition. Fast forward to this weekends NLF tournament and team 91 older teams have a lollipop schedule. Don't believe it ....go see for yourself it's all in tourney machine . So enough enough with the whole NLF is a big deal talk .....it's very easy for everyone to see what's going on and how it's watered down and controlled by 91

Was losing to BBL (not in the NLF) 8-0 ....they resorted to fighting and cleaning the benches to stop the bleeding and gane was called . So ..yes point is made . Got beat down and embarrassed by a non-NLF team ....read it and weap

Was it ever a question of whether or not 91 controlled it?

I’m going to go see for myself that at least 18 kids of the Shock team committed so far to top D1 schools. I could not possibly care any less who they play this weekend. I do know with how bitter you are day in and day out about the NLF that your child’s club does not have that record of success.

Plain as day for everyone to see for themselves....go look at USCL rankings for high school years 25, 26 and 27.....half if not more in some of those years of the top 10 are from outside of the NLF....facts hurt but facts don't lie

No skin in this game but aren’t you kind of making the arguement FOR the NLF? Half are from the NLF and they are only a couple of clubs va rest of the country has the remaining half? Much smaller cohort with the same amount sounds pretty strong.

NLF has become a total joke in terms of their tournaments and rankings. The blackball stiff competition to protect their teams. They have some great teams and success getting kids on college teams. So do the teams they are black balling. They should have enough pride to face the best competition. They will when some and lose some.

your facts are wrong, the ranking system is debunked, the new conference that will fall flat on its face did a deal with the rankings so they inflated the ranks of terrible teams. look how they have horrible teams with horrible records at the top of their bogus ranks this season, everyone knows this, so inside lax and nlf ranking are the authority for rankings again, case closed

2025 commits are over 80% from NLF. Listen to the numbers.

You cant have it both ways -- cant say ALL "did a deal with the rankings" and then say the NLF rankings are the authority.

Of course NLF rankings are going to be biased towards their teams/players.

And if ALL ever comes out with team/player rankings I'm going to assume they'll do the same thing.

Besides the USClub rankings in the fall mean nothing

2025 commits are less than 20% from NLF Listen to the numbers.

The numbers are going to surprise some people

It was posted that 80% of the d1 commits were NLG and the math and club break down recently. If that is incorrect could you please post your breakdown of <20% as that is a a huge discrepancy

Oh, it was posted, then that must be correct. Please provide a comprehensive list of all the 2025 D1 lacrosse committs, the schools they committed to and their clubs.

Inside Lacrosse has a comprehensive list on their Commits page.

2025 Division 1 Commits
Working A through D (Air Force through Duke)

143 Commits. 57 different Club teams represented. 5 commits with no club listed. 93 from private high schools. 50 from public schools. 10 from LI public schools. 2 from LI private schools. 50 from NLF clubs (35%). 93 from non NLF clubs (65%)

Limited data because there are 52 more teams to work through.


Limited data interpretations:

1) Lacrosse has gone country wide. There are commits from states all across the country.

2) Heavy private school influence.

This appears to be good information. I can't find the club affiliation. Can you point me in the right direction. 35% for NLF clubs is still impressive, but a far cry from 80%.

Thanks for the data! I think that looks a bit low for NLF clubs - did you account for all the regional affiliates? Take a look at private vs public in the DMV, it's like 90 - 95% D1 kids are private vs public. It definitely has gone national though, it seems like every year the traditional hotbeds (DMV, LI, UpstateNY) provide fewer recruites.

What happens to your data set when you add the 8 NLF affiliate teams to the equation?

I will work through the rest of the teams within the next few days and try to complete this. While I might be fool, it’s actually been a bit of an eye opener into reality.

There’s some questions. Remember I only went through 8-10 teams already. So there’s a long way to go, including many of the traditional “powerhouse” teams.

The info is on Inside Lacrosses Commits page. I’m doing 2025 Division 1 only. To get a players club team you have to individually click on each player and gonto teams (the time consuming part). If a club team is not listed and incan’t find the player in a quick google search, it goes on my list as “no club team listed”. If Inside Lacrosse has it wrong, it is what it is.

As for the “are you taking nlf affiliates” into question. Yes, i am counting their affiliates.

The 70% NLF statement was made early in the recruitment window process. So yeah, maybe on October 15, 70% of Div 1 commits were from NLF teams, but by now (early December) we are starting to see an overall reality of where players come from, and they are coming everywhere, including from alot of places we don’t consider lax hot beds (Florida, Minnesota, California, Texas, North Carolina). Are they all going to Duke or Cornell? No, but some are.

I think part of it is - clubs claim kids if the EVER played for them. So it could have been in 8th grade or it could have been as a guest player at one point. So that could be part of the claim of 80%. The other part is you have 14 programs in the NLF. They have been around for a while. So of course they are good, they get the good players, and therefore may have higher numbers. But the "newer" programs are coming in hot these days...so the numbers will start to even out. I think the biggest take away - private vs public...and that is a shame...

80% commits from NLF and affiliates. But the other guy does not want to hear that.

80% commits from NLF and affiliates. But the other guy does not want to hear that.[/quote]

You're literally ignoring hard data and analysis. What does it matter to you anyway?

Guys the 70% thing is not going to hold up now.

Maybe in the first month when 30-40 kids were off the board.

Too many commits now. I’ve worked down through Maryland alphabetically (Air Force - Maryland).

291 total commits
112 Public
179 Private
18 LI Public
8 LI Private
80 total club teams represented
8 with no club listed


I’ll add in the new 3D Alliance (3D, BBL, Dogs, Next Level, Sweetlax; with affiliates Legacy, S2S, 2Way, Team Ten & Evolve) for this too, so the NLF hater that runs around here saying it’s dead and no one cares, can have his moment in the sun. They have some good numbers.

3D Alliance Commits: 76 (26.1%)
NLF Commits: 92 (32%)
All others: 123 (42%)

Commits from LI schools total: 26 (9%)

34 teams worked through.
34 more teams to work through.
So we’re at the halfway point!


Halfway interpretations:

Private schools at 60% of commits



Personal Observations as this is worked out:

The typical higher end schools are overwhelmingly private school kids. I don’t want to disparage any school or the achievements of any of the young men that have committed or are striving for future commitment, but private school and a top tier club program seem to lead to what we all consider the “best” schools.

It was posted by breakdown of club with the actual numbers is yes it was true. Numbers probably have changed since October when it was posted but I doubt it’s 20%. But yes some posts are actually true. Just because you don’t agree with them doesn’t make it not true. But you probably argue with math too.

You're literally ignoring hard data and analysis. What does it matter to you anyway?[/quote]

Not ignoring. The 80% was true back in September (?) for the early commits which the majority are are the top d1 schools. That includes affiliates.

That number has changed as mid-low d1 has recruited their commits so it’s not 80% anymore. I know it must be hard for you to understand that data changes as time goes by. But maybe to make it as easy to you to undestand: what was true back then may not make it true now, but still does not change the fact it was true back then.

For the top twenty college lacrosse programs NLF and affiliates are closer to 85%.

Pick the top 20 and i’ll break them down after infinish the big project.

I did a few top programs quickly. Main project of overall D1 commits won’t be done till next week.

Duke: 5 of 7 commits from NLF teams
Maryland: 3 of 11 commits from NLF teams
UNC: 8 of 10 commits from NLF teams
Notre Dame: 9 of 13 commits from NLF teams
UVA: 8 of 9 commits from NLF teams

We can all agree those are good lacrosse programs considered “top 20”.

In that small sample we have 50 commits with 33 coming from NLF teams. 66%.

Given the small amount of teams in the NLF and their affiliates compared to the rest of the country, thats not to bad of a % and it was def higher back in September

The reality is people who say the NLF has no standing anymore in lacrosse clearly have a grudge for some personal reason. They are relevant

The people who say the NLF is the only way to go are also delusional becuase there are plenty of kids from around the country that are not NLF and do great

BUT, if I had to chose one club for my kid to get into a top school? I would roll the dice with an NLF club right now but in 5 years, that may not be the truth

Division 1 Commits 2025 Grad year

All info was obtained from Inside Lacrosse Commitments.

95 individual clubs represented with at least 1 commit

554 total commitments to date
219 (39.5%) from public high schools
335 (60.5%) from private high schools
204 (36.8%) from NLF teams
152 (27.4%) from the new 3D Alliance
356 (64.2%) total from NLF and 3D Alliance combined

Personal observations while making the list:
- students from private high schools are the majority at the “top” lacrosse schools
- I had to look up alot of these high schools and wow, some very high tuition
- nation wide lacrosse commitments. Plenty of kids from TX, MN, CA, GA, NC

For the Long Island people
53 (9.5%) total commits
37 from public school
16 from private schools

Teams with 15 or more commits (in no order):
Sweetlax FL
Mad Dog National
Laxachusetts
LI Express
Team 91 MD
Eclipse
3D New England
Annapolis Hawks
Team 91 Charlotte/Carolina
Team 91 Long Island

Most commits (teams tied in each spot)
1. Annapolis Hawks & Sweetlax Fl
2. 3D New England & Laxachusetts
3. Eclipse & Team 91 LI

Good luck to all the young men going forward.

Not sure I caught all of them but for the DMV I counted 67 commits with only 2 of those being public school.

Thank you or putting the time into this. A lot of people on these boards honestly don't deserve it haha.

Deserve or not, some people are gonna get reality checked down the line. LI parents especially. The perennial top 2 from there have a good number of out of town kids on the team that committed. Just because your kid plays in 2nd-6th grade, watch your back because the door is always open for bigger and better players.

2024 Division 1 Recruits according to Laxnumbers as of 9/30: 307
Recruits from NLF teams: 103
Recruits from ALL teams: 101
Recruits to top 25 Teams using top 25 from NCAA final standings last Season
Notre Dame (NLF 7, ALL 1)
Duke (NLF 4, ALL 5)
Marlyland (NLF 4, ALL 5)
Virginia (NLF 8, ALL 2)
Syracuse (NLF 4, ALL 4)
Hopkins (NLF 6, ALL 1)
Denver (NLF 0, ALL 1)
Georgetown (NLF 2, ALL 5)
Penn St (NLF 3, ALL 2)
Princeton (NLF 1, ALL 6)
Cornell (NLF 2, ALL 2)
UPenn (NLF 2, ALL 4)
Yale (NLF 4, ALL 3)
Michigan (NLF 6, ALL 3)
St. Joe’s (NLF 0, ALL 2)
Army (NLF 2, ALL 8)
Towson (NLF 1, ALL 2)
Boston U (NLF 3, ALL 2)
Villanova (NLF 3, ALL 3)
Harvard (NLF 4, ALL 2)
Ohio St (NLF 4, ALL 4)
Lehigh (NLF 3, ALL 1)
UNC (NLF 7, ALL 3)
Utah (NLF 2, ALL 2)
Richmond (NLF 2, ALL 1)
Total NLF to top 25: 84
Total ALL to top 25: 74
For the Long Island people: 7 Division 1 recruits from non-NLF teams, making up 2% of overall D1 commitments so far.

Very interesting, thank you for compiling. Doesn't ALL have a fraction of the number of teams making their showing more impressive?

ALL is 11 teams. NLF is 13.