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You are basing the quality of the school based on Lacrosse. Maybe Colgate is his academic school of choice based on the major this boy wants to pursue. My nephew who was a two time all-American is playing club ball at the school he chose because that school offered the major he wanted to pursue and does not have a varsity lacrosse team. In the end isn't it about preparing for the future? Not just lacrosse?

Manhasset is one of the best teams in the country almost every year! That is considered not that good to you?

The best players from set play for set!!! They are not at Chaminade or any other private school!!!

The post was meant to congratulate the Duke committed sophomore player. Your opinion of the other lefty attackmen of Manhasset is irrelevant and should be discussed in a different forum. Many schools throughout LI have great lefty attacks, not just Manhasset. The post is acknowledging the huge role that LIE had in the process. And FYI, there is nothing "in the water". It's called natural talent combined with motivation and parental support (having the sense to join a great club team). Happens all over the Island as you can see from the list of commited sophomore players.

The post was meant to congratulate the Duke committed sophomore player. Your opinion of the other lefty attackmen of Manhasset is irrelevant and should be discussed in a different forum. Many schools throughout LI have great lefty attacks, not just Manhasset. The post is acknowledging the huge role that LIE had in the process. And FYI, there is nothing "in the water". It's called natural talent combined with motivation and parental support (having the sense to join a great club team). Happens all over the Island as you can see from the list of commited sophomore players.

The one below is not an express kid. Everyone knows that

Right off the top of my head I can think of at least 3 players from Set that are playing at Deerfield and the Nade that Set would love to have back. So no, not all of the best kids from Set play for Set. Set is obviously a community of families with means and the defections to Nade and other schools will only be a growing trend because the families can afford it and the budget issues affecting academics are only going to get worse with each passing year. Huge headwind for Set down the road.

What club then? I was thinking of an Express Turtle "00" lefty. If you haven't seen him, you will.

I want to puke reading this marketing crap from the clubs. It's frickin' just gross how the clubs try to take credit for a kid getting recruited to a place like Duke. Any kid good enough for Duke didn't need Express. Maybe the clubs can help the "fringe" kid get into the mediocre school but the "studs" don't need them. Manhasset (and all high schools for that matter) should take credit just like these clubs and post all of their commits on their school website too. These clubs are shameless.

Are you kidding? This boy would have gone to Duke regardless of whether he played for Express, fl$ or any other club. Duke would have found him as did every other top 10 team in the country just from his high school play alone. The colleges don't care what club you play for - it's irrelevaent - all that matters is what he does on the field and in the Set classrooms. Club had nothing to do with it - his talent had everything to do with it. The club shouldn't be trying to take credit for any kid's natural ability. Thanks to showcases, prospect days, high school ball etc..It's a brutally efficient process with or without the clubs. Only the lower tier programs who don't have the resources to scour the showcase scene depend on word of mouth and recommendations from the clubs. The best teams in the country like Duke ignore the clubs and do their own homework because they know the pay for play relationship and the marketing juice a club will try to squeeze out of every recuirt is like dealing with the devil.

You are way off about the kids from Manhasset. The best players stay in Manhasset period. It has been that way for last several years. There is no need to go to Chaminade. There is no advantage particularly with college placement and you play for your community. It doesn't get better than that. If a few go to private schools to stay back a year so be it. But the best stay and will continue to stay. Because no advantage exists elsewhere. The budget issue will probably not happen again. People were complacent recently and they learned their lesson. As for as the young man headed to Duke. He deserve all the credit. No one else.

What club then? I was thinking of an Express Turtle "00" lefty. If you haven't seen him, you will.

You are correct!
It was the boy’s talent that got him noticed.
Stop pushing the HS/Town BS. Like it or not the boy played for The Express as well as his High School.
The family made a decision and it looks like it worked out for them. Why do you want to insist that his experience with Express is irrelevant? I guess that you would say that playing for the express had nothing to do with him developing as a player.
People with the “Stay Home only” mentality are going be the downfall of Long Island Lacrosse Talent. You may not want to admit it but both the club and the town/HS program contributed to this player’s development.
The most important piece of the puzzle is the boy, he is the one who did all of the heavy lifting and we now see the result of his work. I wish the haters of all things “club” would stop the nonsense. You do not have to have your son play for a club but is wrong to want to restrict others from broadening their lacrosse experience.

It's quite clear to me and any other business person. The clubs are seeing the writing on the wall and are afraid that over time with the emergence of prospect days, individual showcases, school teams playing summer etc. that they are becoming irrelevant and dis-intermediated. They are deathly afraid of other recruiting avenues emerging that are threatening big chunks of their profit pool. But they are their own worst enemy - with all of the greed and printing of so much money over the past few years - it was bound to happen that others would take notice and figure out a way to jump into that profit pool. Like the life cycle of all profitable industries, its now become saturated with new entrants and will go through a lot of upheaval as it matures. In the meantime, you'll just have to hold down your lunch reading the clubs' desparation and shameless marketing of recruits to keep milking the cow until its dead.

You are correct!
It was the boy’s talent that got him noticed.
Stop pushing the HS/Town BS. Like it or not the boy played for The Express as well as his High School.
The family made a decision and it looks like it worked out for them. Why do you want to insist that his experience with Express is irrelevant? I guess that you would say that playing for the express had nothing to do with him developing as a player.
People with the “Stay Home only” mentality are going be the downfall of Long Island Lacrosse Talent. You may not want to admit it but both the club and the town/HS program contributed to this player’s development.
The most important piece of the puzzle is the boy, he is the one who did all of the heavy lifting and we now see the result of his work. I wish the haters of all things “club” would stop the nonsense. You do not have to have your son play for a club but is wrong to want to restrict others from broadening their lacrosse experience.

this parent is refering to his son on fl$

Best indicator of what the colleges think of the importance of clubs vs. what high school you play for? Count how many college rosters online show what club each player played for. Answer? 0. How many show what high school each player attended? Enough said. High school (including how you perform in that high school's classrooms) still matters much more than what club you play for. Always has been, always will be.

That's a crock of you know what. I'd love to see the 15 & 16 yr old wunderkinds of the 2016 West Coast Stars try to take down GC's or Ward Melville's varsity. Ha, that would be laughable. Floral Park? - maybe. You need to come up for some fresh air and sunlight from the self-anointed "elite" club dungeon.

That's a crock of you know what. I'd love to see the 15 & 16 yr old wunderkinds of the 2016 West Coast Stars try to take down GC's or Ward Melville's varsity. Ha, that would be laughable. Floral Park? - maybe. You need to come up for some fresh air and sunlight from the self-anointed "elite" club dungeon.

You are 100% correct. I know for a fact several kids on the Cudas got their Blue Chip invite strait from Channy. He also is well connected with all the best D1 coaches. If your kid has the talent, Express makes sure it is noticed. I have seen a few posts claiming it doesn' matter, that the kid will get noticed if he's good. I can say that that is not always the case, or it may take longer, and then the coveted "spots" are full on the rosters. If you can afford it, and your kid is good enough to make it. Then club such as Express or 91 increases the odds of getting recruited.

Best indicator of what the colleges think of the importance of clubs vs. what high school you play for? Count how many college rosters online show what club each player played for. Answer? 0. How many show what high school each player attended? Enough said. High school (including how you perform in that high school's classrooms) still matters much more than what club you play for. Always has been, always will be.

Let me throw this question out there...This kid was ranked the #7 recruit in the country in his class by Inside Lacrosse and was the only Long Island player listed in the Top 25. Was this recognition based more on his high school or club experience?

Let me throw this question out there...This kid was ranked the #7 recruit in the country in his class by Inside Lacrosse and was the only Long Island player listed in the Top 25. Was this recognition based more on his high school or club experience?

Ranking had nothing to do with where this boy wound up - in fact probably the other way around - knowing that Duke was one of several in the picture helped his ranking. Most of these boys on the list were already committed (announced or not yet announced) to top tier programs before the list even came out which leads me to believe the joker who puts the list together is just following where the commitments have been or where they are expected to be. All about page views from you lemmings who love to follow that crap. Rankings are probably the worst thinkg that could have happened to this sport - both high school teams and individual players.

Ranking had nothing to do with where this boy wound up - in fact probably the other way around - knowing that Duke was one of several in the picture helped his ranking. Most of these boys on the list were already committed (announced or not yet announced) to top tier programs before the list even came out which leads me to believe the joker who puts the list together is just following where the commitments have been or where they are expected to be. All about page views from you lemmings who love to follow that crap. Rankings are probably the worst thinkg that could have happened to this sport - both high school teams and individual players.

Ranking had nothing to do with where this boy wound up - in fact probably the other way around - knowing that Duke was one of several in the picture helped his ranking. Most of these boys on the list were already committed (announced or not yet announced) to top tier programs before the list even came out which leads me to believe the joker who puts the list together is just following where the commitments have been or where they are expected to be. All about page views from you lemmings who love to follow that crap. Rankings are probably the worst thinkg that could have happened to this sport - both high school teams and individual players.

Ranking had nothing to do with where this boy wound up - in fact probably the other way around - knowing that Duke was one of several in the picture helped his ranking. Most of these boys on the list were already committed (announced or not yet announced) to top tier programs before the list even came out which leads me to believe the joker who puts the list together is just following where the commitments have been or where they are expected to be. All about page views from you lemmings who love to follow that crap. Rankings are probably the worst thinkg that could have happened to this sport - both high school teams and individual players.

You having to be joking about the ranking thing!!! Do you honestly think these kids announce to the world whose interested in them???

Absolutley they do. Read the article that went along with the rankings. If the kid had not committed there was usually some blurb about which schools are still in the running for the kid's "services". Think the parents or coaches didn't plant that seed?