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The real issue is the talent in the public school doesn't get better playing against mediocre competition, just builds false hope. Parent interference and liberal ways are polluting every part of society.

What happended to F'Dale this year? Do they have players hurt? The last few games look really bad.

Can anyone explain what Farmingdale is doing in the Power Conference? Are they just there to get beat by the legitimate teams week in and week out? What a waste, truly not a good team.

Speaking the truth...it's a dirty business, from top to bottom. With one guy behind all the strings. Did deep and connect the dots - it's sad.

When is the next mother/Son dance? hopefully after states.

What the heck are you talking about?

"liberal ways"? C'mon. Grow up.

Someone’s kid got embarrassed on the field again!! Hahahaha, sorry dad, he’s not that good at lacrosse. How about bowling?

Yes, lots of scheduling conflicts due to playoff games and traveling, detest em or love em youll be watching at hofstra in june coping about your near county win but hey you did your best!

Everyone gets a Trophy doesn't help.

What are we even talking about? This isn't PAL lacrosse. There are clear winners and losers at the high school level.

Huge difference here....When you are in a public school district you don't sign up for parent coach that coaches varsity age players on a club team that also play on the varsity team HUGE conflict of interest there I heard MHS had an issue with prior coach with this situation they got rid of him irony the next MHS AD went on to hire a parent coach this season who coaches varsity age players on a club team that play for MHS varsity . Club coaches are paid by lacrosse clubs to coach which makes this even more questionable... Catholics/Privates you have a choice for your son/daughter to attend or not and put up with the politics there but now its invading the public schools its very alarming and unethical

Deep pocket Daddy ball is live and well at the Catholic schools.

It sure is. It's amazing how much these schools have changed in the past 5 years. I have kids at 1 of the 2 Catholics for the past 6 years - this thankfully my last. What we have seen this year is a disgrace. Seniors left out to dry. Weird sophomore promotions. You can have it.

The MHS coach won two NYS championships. Who cares about club! There were no conflicts between any club nonsense and the MHS varsity lacrosse program.

Massapequa parents rallied to oust the 2x State Championship coach and now they want to get rid of the new coach. Most of the time it isnt the coach, it's the players.

Get your facts straight. To be clear the MHS coach that was let go was not let go due to conflicts of any type with players or clubs or even his own kid. We all know, prob even the district now, that should not had happened.

Absolutely correct!!!

Some Facts- Prior coach from MHS didn’t coach son or sons friends when won 2 NYS championships. He coached the team way before his son played . Nepotism was not the only reason he was relieved of his coaching position .
This year MHS AD hired a parent coach who currently coaches a varsity age club team and has a son on team . He will have 2 sons on team next year.
Club coaches are paid to coach club teams so this is a very questionable hire . Massapequa has a lot of good qualified lacrosse coaches in town who do not have sons/ sons friends on the varsity and club team so again this hire by the AD was not a smart or ethical one. I heard there are many conflicts there Just ask the senior/junior/ sophomore parents on the team. Just because they are winning a few games doesn’t mask what is really going on ….

Yeah, great idea let’s ask a bunch of disgruntled parents what they think. All that matters is winning, that’s what parents don’t get. They are so used to coddling that they can’t handle the truth.

Varsity is about winning, coaches play the kids they think give the team the best chance to win, regardless of age.

Farmingdale 10 Pequa 3. Winning …..

Nassau Lacrosse:
Future & Present:
A’s: This is a conference that is wide open this year. When I say anyone can win it, anyone can win it (meaning the normal four teams). The best team from a talent standpoint is Farmingdale, so I think that who will come out on top, Unfortunately, the team that comes out of Nassau in the A’s will get absolutely wiped out by either HHH, Ward Melville, or Northport. It’s not going to be close.
Farmingdale:
- This is a team that has two really good attackmen, a solid fog and faceoff guy. They have the formula to win the A conference. They have struggled at times this year, but they will find their footing under their new coach. We saw this against Massapequa, a game that wasn’t even close. They have some good underclassmen but I feel this may be their last title for a while. I see them as the second best team in A’s next year and 3rd best for at least the next three years.
Massapequa:
- This is a team that overachieved expectations this year, so far. They lost a lot from a year ago, but their LSM, goalie, and some of the young guys who have stepped up have been the difference. They have some absolutely student freshmen and this will be a very good team in a few years. They will be the second best team in a loaded 'A' conference in a couple of years. I’m just not sure they’ll be balanced enough to win. They lost a really good freshmen goalie to Lawrencevlle and this will hurt them.
Syosset:
- The Syosset record is worse than they actually are. They have had some really unfortunate losses where they have lost their composure and lost the game at the last second. The Cold Spring Harbor and Farmingdale losses come to mind. This team will be dangerous come playoff time, their Hopkins bound midfielder is an absolute student and he can take over a game. They can beat any ‘A’ team come playoff time.However, if the other teams can figure out that one midfielder they don’t stand a chance, he carries them and they don’t have great secondary guys. After this year they will be the worst of the best in the A’s. They don’t have the talent they used to and it may be a while before we see Syosset on top of the A’s.
Port Washington:
- PW has fought valiantly this year and have been in many games they were not supposed to be in. They lost a lot to graduation over the past few years. Now, a very young team with few upperclassmen contributors, they have low chances of winning this year. However, I see a dynasty forming up on the north shore. They have a strong sophomore class, an absolutely loaded freshman class, and already two eighth graders on varsity. Despite their struggles this year I would say they are the favorite to win class A next year and they have the possibility of winning a state championship or two when their freshmen become juniors and seniors. They may have the best goalie in the country in two years, the kid is amazing. How often do you see an eighth grader start in net for the varsity team and stand on his head like he did last year. He will only get better and better. This is a team that has the possibility of replicating what Manhasset did these past two years. We shall see, hopefully arrogance and poor coaching doesn’t get in their way.
*This may be a down year in the A’s but it is a conference with a very bright future. It will be very competitive this year. The power conference really hurt their image this year but the playoffs will be very fun to watch.

B’s: Based on the results we have seen so far. There are two top teams and three in the conversation. I would say that it goes 1. South Side 2. Garden City and 3.Manhasset. I definitely think there is a general belief around Long Island and beyond that Garden City will come out on top and that loss to SouthSide was a fluke. That may be the case, but that championship game will be a fun one.
Garden City:
- I mean it is hard to say anything bad about the Garden City lacrosse programs. Lacrosse is built into the DNA and infrastructure of that town. They won the past two state championships and they have the possibility of doing it again. They do not rebuild, they reload. That being said, let's talk about this year’s team. The strength of their team is their defense as they have an All American defensemen, a star goalie, student defensive middies, and other good poles. They can absolutely shut the opposing team down and we have seen that for the most part this year. Their struggles come at the offensive side of the field. The lefty attackman can sling it and they have a very good middie that can score. However, they don’t have great options after the two and this is why they have dropped some games. It seems that they have shoved up some younger kids that are just not ready. The 8th grade lefty and the tall freshman midfielder are stars in the making, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t know if they are there quite yet. Garden City will need some production from some upperclassmen, other than their two main guys, if they hope to make it three states in a row. I personally think South Side will win this year but this is a team that will run class B across the state for the foreseeable future.
South Side:
- This is South Side’s year. They have a very balanced and loaded senior class. I mean they don’t have many weaknesses. The Fogo going to Cornell can absolutely take over a game. If he remains consistent in the playoffs and generates some offense for the Cyclones I don’t see them losing. They also have two student midfielders, a strong defense, and a goalie that many believe is the best on the island this year. If they all show up to play come May 24th, I think they will take down Garden City. However, based on the past year this seems to be a team that may come into games in an egotistical manner. This year it was the loss to Wantagh. Last season the only reason they lost to a Calhoun team, who had some very good players, was because they didn’t take them seriously. They were looking ahead to Garden City and this turned out to be a fatal mistake. A mistake which I doubt will happen again. Another weakness of this Cyclone team is the talent in their 25’ and 26’ classes. These are classes that got absolutely decimated by kids leaving for the Catholics. Chaminade’s junior midfielder going to Notre Dame and senior defensemen going to North Carolina come to mind. If they had these kids they would be unstoppable but they still should win Nassau this year. When it comes to the LIC’s the winner of the B’s will play an offensively loaded East Islip team and their offense may be too much for any team who plays them. However, if South Side continues to win faceoffs and take off the ball they have a strong chance of moving on to states. For the future, again this SouthSide program got emptied out by the Catholics. They lost all of their All-American caliber players in the 26’ and 25’ classes but have some very good freshmen. Don’t be surprised if you see 5 or so players in the 27’ class starting for them next year. Unfortunately for SS they most likely won’t win another championship soon as all their best 8th graders are leaving for the Catholics. Unless, they get paired with Wantagh in the C’s and then they could make some noise.
Manhasset:
- I think it was very well expected for Manhasset to have a fall off from their previous two years. I mean the 23' class was so special leading them to two state championships and almost an undefeated season a year ago. An undefeated season that was ought to be but the refs kind of handed their one loss to Chaminade. Some of the ref’s calls and the amazing performance by the Rockville Centre, Richmond bound senior attackmen was the difference in that one. I believe he had four of five goals. This year, they just don’t have the offensive stars they are so used to leaning on. I mean their offense has been abysmal this year despite having some solid talent. This may suggest that the coaches have an inability to adapt to a new style of play, a style which they must adapt sooner rather than later. Furthermore, they don't seem to have star caliber players in the next four or more classes. That being said they will need to get more creative if they hope to stand a chance against Garden City in the next four years. This is a team that I think will be worse next year, as well. They are graduating a majority of their defense which is the only reason they have been in and won some of the more competitive games this year. It will be interesting to see, it is rare to see a program like Manhasset struggle. They didn’t lose much talent to the Catholics either, so it is kind of intriguing. However, they would like to have St Anthony's fogo back right about now.
C/D:
Wantagh:
- This is a very talented team this year. They beat SS which was very impressive but got blown out by Garden CIty and lost to Pequa which suggests that that game was a fluke. Wantagh like SS is a well balanced team. They have a good goalie, a good fogo, and some very good offensive players. They will without a doubt win Nassau this year and have a very good chance against an undefeated BBP team. This seems like their year but it is interesting to see how much underclassmen contribution they have. Wantagh will return 5 out of 6 of their top offensive guys next year and are primed for another great season. They will easily win C for the next couple of seasons unless Manhasset and/or South Side gets moved down or CSH gets moved up. If none of that happens C will be a pathetically weak conference and the Power Conference games will mean more than the playoffs, that’s no good.
Cold Spring Harbor:
- CSH is like Set and GC as they always seem to be good. They always have great players and win a majority of their games. However, it is a joke that they are in the D conference. There is absolutely no competition in that conference and an automatic state championship each and every year that they are in it. I believe it is only a one game playoff, just the Nassau county championship before moving on to LICs. It is like the catholic league playoffs, such a joke. The power conference is the only thing making CSH’s season worthwhile. St Anthony’s vs Chaminade has a championship game which each are automatically in, there is no equity in playing regular season games under this model. Especially since St. A’s continues to own their little brother which is Chaminade lacrosse and will continue to do so for at least the next 3 or 4 years.

So a bad team beat a very bad team. Unbearably poor play. Both teams aren’t even mediocre. Farmingdale will win a meaningless Championship and get absolutely smoked in the LIC.

Conference A is embarrassing. The best team in A would be a 7 loss team in just about every other conference.

Yeah, I believe that. There is a lot of juniors at some of these Catholics that will play in college and never start in HS. Especially at St As because of how talented the sophomore class is. And you can’t transfer to a school like Kellenburg or St Doms and try and have a little fun and enjoy Senior Year because the transfer rule.

St A's doesnt have one Soph that starts. and the coaches always protect the Sr that work thru the program.

Nobody said they start, but they play. And in my opinion they will likely start next year over the seniors. Didn’t a lot of the freshman take the starting spots on JVA last year? Point is, if your son is a junior now and not starting or on the 2nd line, it will be very difficult to play next year. That is because the level of players that are on that team.

Does anyone know how seeding will work for Class A. F'dale will be 1st seed because they won all their Class A games. Syo, PW and Pequa all lost 2 games in conference. I am wondering how it gets determine who gets 2nd, 3rd and 4th seeds.

Pequa needs to bring back Radom..

NOPE

No weird lineups or daddy ball at Schommy’s SJB. In fact, he coaches to win—does not matter if commits play if there’s better kids. At 13-2 with a 9-8 (OT) win over Sr. Dominic’s SJB is killing it! Schommy holds the kids accountable and makes great adjustments in games and between games.

Heard MHS AD is gone after this school year. Town of Pequa would welcome Radom and Powers back with open arms

Yes, but some coaches approach winning at all cost at the expense of ruining kids.

Explain

Best guess is head to head is the first tie breaker.

MHS isn't the only coach who coaches/owns a club team and coaches varsity. Look a little further East.

Playoff Predictions: Final Four in each bracket

A: Port, Syo,Farm, Oside
B: SS, GC, Man, Car
C: Sea, Wan, CSH, Beth

CSH is in D

I think you are missing one important point. The reason why dad coaches are starting to creep into high school ball is because guess what…….no one wants the job. These positions have become year round commitments. So who wants to work all year round (including summer) for 8-10k? Then add in the psycho parents emailing the AD and Superintendent complaining about the coach when their kid doesn’t play. When we asked our AD about the hiring of a dad coach he simply said…..he’s the only one who applied. If you don’t like a dad coach then go get me a qualified name. Oh and that 10k is also taxed. After it’s all said and done the coach probably makes 10 cents an hour. I’m not defending it but who is going to take that job if you don’t have your kid on the team ?