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Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399006 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Legacy and S2S both went 3-0 in pool play. Legacy beat S2S 6-5 for the championship. Originally Posted by Anonymous Legacy and S2S both went 3-0 in pool play. Legacy beat S2S 6-5 for the championship. javascript:quickReply(399003,1,0) Did S2S improve that much or Legacy not that good? S2S was not a top team the past few years at this age group. Any thoughts (not bashing)?

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399035 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A S2S added a few pieces. FO guy, 2 Venom kids and a kid that played up is back on grade. A few other additions. Improved, in the mix for third best LI with a few other teams-well documented on here.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399059 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A The 2 venom kids played 1 year on Venom that came from mooselax and didn’t get asked back

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399063 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous S2S added a few pieces. FO guy, 2 Venom kids and a kid that played up is back on grade. A few other additions. Improved, in the mix for third best LI with a few other teams-well documented on here. Wow, an actual post with relevant information. Informative and accurate without bashing a particular team. Shocking on here lately. And yes S2S is in the mix for the number 3 spot on Long Island, but most likely a player or two away from it.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399069 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Thanks Venom insider for that clarification. To all on the forum, we can now assume S2S got weaker this year by adding the Venom castoffs.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399104 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous The 2 venom kids played 1 year on Venom that came from mooselax and didn’t get asked back Ever notice no one leaves 91 of their own volition? The story is always that 91 didn’t want them.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399115 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous The 2 venom kids played 1 year on Venom that came from mooselax and didn’t get asked back Ever notice no one leaves 91 of their own volition? The story is always that 91 didn’t want them. That is because their training isn't game changing. So instead of developing an athlete it is easier to poach and bring someone in. You rarely hear of B-Level player moving up at 91. Once your on their B team they got your $ and that is it.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399120 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Correct. 91 has the name and cache so they can just poach kids that someone else developed.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399127 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Correct. 91 has the name and cache so they can just poach kids that someone else developed. All the top orgs do the same thing, let the parents spend money on player development either thru camps or private training, coaches in these orgs are not here to develop players they get paid to "coach". and every one of these top orgs have the same open door policy and are always looking for the next player in.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399129 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Sorry to say but the only way Surge can grow is if they leave the 91 organization. They are a very talented team. Join another organization that is struggling to form a A/AA team and become their “AA” team. Otherwise they will all ways be the “B” team.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399134 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Sorry to say but the only way Surge can grow is if they leave the 91 organization. They are a very talented team. Join another organization that is struggling to form a A/AA team and become their “AA” team. Otherwise they will all ways be the “B” team. The 2023 91 warriors have over 10 d1 committed players and several Nescac players.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399135 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Correct. 91 has the name and cache so they can just poach kids that someone else developed. If a kid from program X shows up at program Y’s tryout is that poaching ?

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399136 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous The 2 venom kids played 1 year on Venom that came from mooselax and didn’t get asked back Ever notice no one leaves 91 of their own volition? The story is always that 91 didn’t want them. That is because their training isn't game changing. So instead of developing an athlete it is easier to poach and bring someone in. You rarely hear of B-Level player moving up at 91. Once your on their B team they got your $ and that is it. Do B level players move up at Legacy, don’t think so. What about Express and their 33 player roster, nope not there either. Maybe the teams such as the rebels, turtles and other similar to those do.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399141 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Correct. 91 has the name and cache so they can just poach kids that someone else developed. If a kid from program X shows up at program Y’s tryout is that poaching ? It depends. We all know financial deals are made behind the scene for certain players.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399142 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Correct. 91 has the name and cache so they can just poach kids that someone else developed. If a kid from program X shows up at program Y’s tryout is that poaching ? no but I dont think that's what is being referenced , they all do it go after kids from other organizations ...side deals etc pre tryouts its all a part of the game.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399154 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous The 2 venom kids played 1 year on Venom that came from mooselax and didn’t get asked back Ever notice no one leaves 91 of their own volition? The story is always that 91 didn’t want them. That is because their training isn't game changing. So instead of developing an athlete it is easier to poach and bring someone in. You rarely hear of B-Level player moving up at 91. Once your on their B team they got your $ and that is it. Do B level players move up at Legacy, don’t think so. What about Express and their 33 player roster, nope not there either. Maybe the teams such as the rebels, turtles and other similar to those do. Are there any kids on Chucks, Lumbers or Venom that were formerly “B”?

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399159 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Correct. 91 has the name and cache so they can just poach kids that someone else developed. If a kid from program X shows up at program Y’s tryout is that poaching ? no but I dont think that's what is being referenced , they all do it go after kids from other organizations ...side deals etc pre tryouts its all a part of the game. Truth

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399160 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399165 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous The 2 venom kids played 1 year on Venom that came from mooselax and didn’t get asked back Ever notice no one leaves 91 of their own volition? The story is always that 91 didn’t want them. That is because their training isn't game changing. So instead of developing an athlete it is easier to poach and bring someone in. You rarely hear of B-Level player moving up at 91. Once your on their B team they got your $ and that is it. Do B level players move up at Legacy, don’t think so. What about Express and their 33 player roster, nope not there either. Maybe the teams such as the rebels, turtles and other similar to those do. Are there any kids on Chucks, Lumbers or Venom that were formerly “B”? Yes

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399166 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules Looks like Rush has something to do with the scheduling. They can show up in the afternoon, play 3 not very difficult games and go to the championship

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399178 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules Express North also has the early games so how many "AA" players hang to play with the "A" team. Same goes for Igloo "AA". 2 Way "AA" not playing in tournament but assume the "A" team will be stacked with "AA" players.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399196 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules Looks like Rush has something to do with the scheduling. They can show up in the afternoon, play 3 not very difficult games and go to the championship There is no championship for this tournament…

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399198 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Rebels is going to have another tough day and they aren’t even playing Venom

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399200 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A NO PLAYOFFS?

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399204 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules Looks like Rush has something to do with the scheduling. They can show up in the afternoon, play 3 not very difficult games and go to the championship Except there is no championship. Three games and head home for everyone.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399212 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A "Except there is no championship. Three games and head home for everyone.[/quote] With no playoffs or championship game maybe the schedulers can have teams of equal ability play so the kids can get better ......... but what would all the clown dads do without a $1 tee shirt pounding their chests?

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399217 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules Looks like Rush has something to do with the scheduling. They can show up in the afternoon, play 3 not very difficult games and go to the championship Except there is no championship. Three games and head home for everyone. Why do tournaments do this? Is there another reason other than saving some bucks on ref fees for a few extra games?

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399224 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Correct. 91 has the name and cache so they can just poach kids that someone else developed. If a kid from program X shows up at program Y’s tryout is that poaching ? It depends. We all know financial deals are made behind the scene for certain players. Rumor is Venom brought new players in without charging annual fee. Other clubs have insider pricing for certain guys on the team.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399228 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A It's like airline seat pricing, almost everyone on the plane has paid a different amount for their ticket-same with travel lacrosse based on the position you play, (goalie, F/o) or perceived value to the team or to entice you to come over. I can't say all clubs, because haven't been to all, but all clubs that I am familiar with it is the case.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399231 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules Looks like Rush has something to do with the scheduling. They can show up in the afternoon, play 3 not very difficult games and go to the championship Except there is no championship. Three games and head home for everyone. Why do tournaments do this? Is there another reason other than saving some bucks on ref fees for a few extra games? It’s fall ball. Means nothing. Get some run in for your starters, get new kids working in the mix and play bench kids. Player use this weekend vs NLF finals in July will be totally different.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399234 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous "Except there is no championship. Three games and head home for everyone. With no playoffs or championship game maybe the schedulers can have teams of equal ability play so the kids can get better ......... but what would all the clown dads do without a $1 tee shirt pounding their chests?[/quote] Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules Express North also has the early games so how many "AA" players hang to play with the "A" team. Same goes for Igloo "AA". 2 Way "AA" not playing in tournament but assume the "A" team will be stacked with "AA" players. Agreed. It’s not like there’s a championship bracket so why waste time puts top teams against each other. Express north, express chucks and venom should be playing each other.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399238 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Agree who wants to get slaughtered or beat a team 12-3 Nobody is benefiting. Play teams with similar abilities. Shame on these coaches/ directors for not speaking up for their teams.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399250 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Express north only has one game that will challenge them this weekend. Who makes these schedules Looks like Rush has something to do with the scheduling. They can show up in the afternoon, play 3 not very difficult games and go to the championship Except there is no championship. Three games and head home for everyone. Why do tournaments do this? Is there another reason other than saving some bucks on ref fees for a few extra games? It’s fall ball. Means nothing. Get some run in for your starters, get new kids working in the mix and play bench kids. Player use this weekend vs NLF finals in July will be totally different. Doesn’t matter you can do all that playing against equal teams. Makes for more exciting games.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399251 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Express north has holdbacks

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399265 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Originally Posted by Anonymous Originally Posted by Anonymous Sorry to say but the only way Surge can grow is if they leave the 91 organization. They are a very talented team. Join another organization that is struggling to form a A/AA team and become their “AA” team. Otherwise they will all ways be the “B” team. The 2023 91 warriors have over 10 d1 committed players and several Nescac players. Thanks B team Dad. How many kids on that team? How many ex-Bandits? How about the revolving door of kids leaving every year? How many daddy coaches w/ their kids playing all the time? No thanks - it’s been widely discussed the B teams take a backseat to the A teams. 91 23 B team is no exception.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399272 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A If you enter your team in the AA bracket you re stating they can compete at that level. Therefore, that bracket is fine. If your son’s team gets crushed in the AA bracket then that’s on the coaches and directors for entering then in as an AA squad.

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Anonymous #399280 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A It’s a expesss tournament so you take a wild guess

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399291 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A Venom has Express north this weekend. We killed them last summer but heard North beat LI Express pretty badly this fall. Would imagine LI Express was missing kids?? Any LI Express parent's want to chime in?

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399303 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A With 32 kids on our team i am just hoping my kid plays or see ya!

Re: Boys 2028-7th Grade Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Team BOTC #399306 A Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered A 2 Way really doing the holdback routine like a Maryland team? Seeing multiple 2027's on their 28 team...Like currently in 8th grade but saying they will graduate HS in 2028 with the current 7th graders. Is this how "holdbacks" works? And no, I don't know who any of these kids are but my son does... I know some of the private schools (brunswick most notably) want you to stay back but thought that happened in 9th grade??