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Heavily disagree with Briarcliff, they will be good next year but fall off. Lose every starting middie, AA attack, two defense and goalie. IMO Bronxville will be better next year.

with this statement, you must be Bronxville player who thinks the 2024/2025 Briarcliff players are up to the current players standards. Only time will tell if you're right.

Coaching Changes:
Tappan Zee will be opening. That's a great Rockland team who is relatively young still
We saw what happened at Greeley, They are bringing in a new AD already too. That will be a full rebuild.[/quote]


I'm really shocked to hear that Coach M is leaving TZ. He spoke at the 2020 IMLCA conference and I've been impressed with TZ success while under his guidance.
Is he leaving the school district or is no longer coaching at the HS level.

Pleasantville will be a team to watch out for next year. They were mostly composed of Sophomores and Freshmen on offense this year and was able to compete against Briarcliff and Bronxville.

Agreed. I don't know how they do it, but they are competing every year and the do it with really small numbers too.

Yorktown will still be good but will need to replace a lot of production. Griff, Solazzo and DeBellis are tough losses. Most of the defense will be lost to graduation. Goalie is a position that is a question mark going into 2023. I believe their JV was very strong so hopefully some of their players will fill voids opened by graduation.

That loss to CSH really stings for Bcliff. They win if they have Waterhouse in the lineup. They will be good next year but lose a ton of offensive production. Lucas Proctor will be the lone offensive starter returning. They will need to shift to being a defensive minded team like they were in the past and rely on that zone. Expect to see senior LSM Meola on man up and maybe even playing offense if the 24/25’s aren’t up to par.

yup- it was going to come down to Bcliff vs CSH, and they ALMOST go it down without Waterhouse. Very impressive but you know it stings. CSH deployed super slow strategy and it worked.

A
Scars comes back loaded with their best team ever (on paper)
Mamo comes back loaded but will miss top LSM but

B
Rye loses a ton of key players but they have returning talent scattered around field plus deep bench. Still, a drop.
Ytown same comment as Rye but less depth and less talent.
JJ and Somers should be better and can challenge
Pac has some players back

C
Pelham has depth and key players returning, should be better if they find a goalie
Byram thin but 2 best players in class returning
PV deep but needs scoring
Hen Hud best players returning
TZ deep and best player back

D
B'ville will be good, lost some big bodies but great feeder programs
Pville good young team, might go past Bcliff
Bcliff magical class gone, leaving 2-3 key players with amazing experience but talent drops off after that. Will play very different schedule next year or else will lose a lot and by a lot

Just a little FYI
Rye and JJCR are moving down to C next year, so you might need to adjust your Class rankings

Looks like Putnam Valley down to D. Carmel down to B. Don't know of any other movements having just read the classification numbers for 2022-23. Interesting that Pleasantville is right at the highest number you can be in D, and Somers is only 3 above C. Look for Somers to be in C for 2024 maybe.

Rye and JJCR dropping to C makes it basically theirs for the taking with Pelham in that mix and TZ a possible threat. Hopefully TZ get a good coach in there to run things. McIntosh did a masterful job with that program.

B is now wide open, with the front runners easily now Somers and Yorktown with Mahopac and maybe Byram right behind. Everyone else is in the distances. Somers is the most loaded team coming back in B now.

Tough go for PV to be down in D. If all classes were same, they'd be a nice run for Class C

A
Scarsdale will be the team to beat. Ton of guys with experience return. Their FOGO is one of the best I’ve seen in section 1 in the past decade. Will be a very tough out.
Class A is a two horse race but Mamo will need to make an adjustment on the face off X to contend. Will be an uphill battle. They lose some D1 commits on both sides of the ball but return a good core.
Arlington always has strength of numbers but the drop off after the top two teams is drastic. I know they lose a lot to graduation but they will find a way to string a bunch of wins together in 2023.

B
Yorktown has the history but do they have the talent right now? Offense should be able to put the ball in the back of the net. Most important need for this team is to find a solid goalie to help an inexperienced defense. Still the favorite with that being said.
Somers is the challenger. A bunch of stud underclassmen stepped up on O this year for them. Expect them to take another step this year. Would not be surprised at all if they took down the Huskers this year.
Mahopac returns a ton of talent but loses two D1 commits. They have been building something in the past two years and look to take a step. They are a legit contender in B.
Not really sure what to think about L/P going into 2023. They lose a lot after having an underwhelming year. They did play some good teams hard. We know they are well coached so they can always suprise someone.
Greeley is a dark horse. Their 24/25 classes are strong and have cornerstone pieces to set them up for the future. They lose their LSM but that’s about it. They might be a year away but can make some noise in 2023.
Carmel is a program that has been quietly trending upward. If their talent doesn’t get poached by private schools they will be better than people think.
Fox lane has always had talent throughout the years but no championship to show for it. This stands true for next year. If the coaching improves they have a chance but it will be tough in a loaded field.

C
Rye is the favorite but loses two all Americans. They have a solid core going into next year but need to replace some holes on both sides of the ball.
John Jay is a very slight underdog and they can very well turn the tables. They have the talent and have beaten Rye before. They return many key players on both sides of the ball. Bocklet is a good coach and can take John Jay back to states.
There is a drop off after JJ and Rye but Pelham is a quality team. They return a lot from last year and have championship experience but did receive a gift in being in a thin class C this year. They will need to be more consistent in 2023 if they are going to knock off JJ or Rye.
Byram Hills is a team that got banged up at the wrong time this year. They have some good players returning but are still very top heavy. Their LSM played offense in the playoff run maybe they will keep doing that in 2023.
Tappan Zee was a young team and still managed to have a great season. They return their best player but will need to replace some key role players. Can be a tough out and Rye and JJ will need to take them seriously.
Pearl River made their first ever section final in program history. They lose two solid senior middies and some defenders but return a bunch of production. The program is trending upward so expect to see good players fill in holes lost to graduation.
Hen Hud played some close games versus some quality teams but also had some bad losses. They return some of their best players and can be a Cinderella in class C.

D
Class D is a 3 horse race but Bronxville is the favorite. They lose 3 senior offensive starters and their best long pole. Their goalie is good and return one of the best players in the section at attack. Bronxville doesn’t rebuild they reload so assume the players stepping in can ball.
Briarcliff is a team who had a great run but might get off to a slow start this season. They will need to figure out an offense that will have 5 new starters. Their zone has the potential to keep them in games and will want to win every game in a rock fight.
Pleasantville had a good year in a rebuild. One of their best offensive players who was a sophomore missed this past season due to injury. They only return one defensive starter however. Expect this team to be able to put the ball in the back of the net after all the experience they got this year but might need to win in shootouts early in the year as the defense may go through some growing pains.
There is a huge drop off after those three teams. 2023 may be a tough year for PV. Full on rebuild. They lose a ton of production but they are well coached.
Flashback to five or six years ago Westlake blew out Bronxville in the section final. This year they got blown out by Croton in the first round of the playoffs. Man has this program fallen off the face of the earth. Most likely has to do with their old coach Burnard leaving or a few dud classes. I assume they were young this year so maybe they are more experienced going into 2023.
Rye Neck actually has some talent. They return the section 1 leader in points. They return an LSM who was the section 1 leader in caused turnovers. They also have a good goalie. Might be a fun team to keep an eye on.

What do you guys mean by being a holdback club?

It’s an immature way to attack 2w and the relationship it has with Brunswick. Fact is, every club, HS and prep school has holdbacks. The BOTC Maryland main forum even has its own holdback thread.

There was a time that Brunswick players dominated 2W teams, but that isn’t the case anymore. The program is growing!

My son is on a 2W Carolina team, which is an A level team and he is not a holdback. No one on his 2w Carolina team attends Brunswick (middle school). The 2W Black teams all play on the AA level.

I think you just helped make the case that 2W is a bunch of holdbacks. Your son is 'on age' and plays for their B team, along with the other 'on age' kids.

True.

And of course its not a Brunswick only team but program is centered around Wick (owners, coaches, facilities, tourneys). Safe to call it a private school club, how's that? And we know we know there are public school players but the net worth of 2W families could buy most countries.

I’m not sure who was attacking 2way as a holdback club, it seemed people were merely staring the fact that they have a lot of holdbacks which isn’t false. Whether or not everyone in the mid Atlantic is doing it is irrelevant. Everyone knows that holdbacks are here to stay because no one that has power (college, clubs) wants it any other way. But it does turn the sport into an elite select few of haves and have nots on the collegiate and high school level. As goes the cliche, it is what it is.

Reality is, if you want to play top D1 college lacrosse now… you will probably need to holdback. Develop more! Check out the top recruits! Majority are holdbacks that are the top recruits. Sad facts, but true. Just the way it is now.

That's more of a result of the COVID rules giving a blanket year of eligibility to college players. Many schools have bloated rosters as it is and it will take another year or two for that to level out.

If everyone is a hold back, than no one is.

Agree that covid has led to abnormal rosters and has really hurt the 22-23s for recruiting. But I would say the majority of kids are not holdbacks. The majority of mid low recruited kids are on age but the majority of top recruits are holdbacks for 1-3 years. What’s lost in all of that is the poor souls who hold back who don’t get a better college selection than if they just stayed in their normal year.

This is true for a lot of sports. For instance, if you want to play D1 hockey, you almost always have to be a holdback. But in hockey, they play as per birth year as youths. The holdback infrastructure is not incompatible with age-based youth play.

So, with June concluding how are the local Boys club teams programs doing?

Ballers:
Dragons (Fairfield):
Dragons (North):
Eclipse:
LIE North:
Predators:
Pride (soon to be call True Lacrosse Westchester):
Primetime:
Team 91 Tristate
Westchester Warriors:
2Way

Am I missing a club team?

Well the World Series Championship is taking place this weekend.

Only Eclipse, LIE North and 2Way are representing the area.
I'm guessing that 2way is only there because of holdbacks .

LIEN has the biggest roster, with 30 players. The other teams have approximate 22-25 players.

Eclipse will most likely have the most success.

Lacrosse World Series Championship (fka World Series of Youth Lacrosse)

30 qualifying teams and our local teams:

Eclipse 5-1, finished in the top 4 teams. Great job!
2Way 4-2, wasn’t in the race after the first game loss to LIE. But left with a winning record, which is in the minority of the 30 teams.
LIEN 2-3, losses to Kings, Mass and So Cal and wins of Israel and True Michigan, is disappointing.

Primetime, Predators, Team 91 Tri-state and Cavalry never made it past the qualifiers.

Most surprised about PT not making it. Wondering if this year is an outlier or the beginning of a downward trend. It was 2017 when PT was in the championship game and being the top dog of Westchester.

Huge congratulations to Team 91 Machine and to one of its member, A.S., who is a 7th grader from White Plains!

Thought you had to live within so miles of the club to be in World Series?

"All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field/HQ of their program"

And?

But I would say the majority of kids are not holdbacks. The majority of mid low recruited kids are on age but the majority of top recruits are holdbacks for 1-3 years. What’s lost in all of that is the poor souls who hold back who don’t get a better college selection than if they just stayed in their normal year.[/quote]

Sorry but this is wrong. Majority of players on college rosters are not on age for their class. Top recruit lists are dominated by holdbacks. The lax world rewards holdbacks through clubs-preps-showcases-colleges. Competing with other players their age generally means failure or not standing out. Its really a pathetic system fueled by the wealthy who will game any system but justified of course.

Sorry but this is wrong. Majority of players on college rosters are not on age for their class. Top recruit lists are dominated by holdbacks. The lax world rewards holdbacks through clubs-preps-showcases-colleges. Competing with other players their age generally means failure or not standing out. Its really a pathetic system fueled by the wealthy who will game any system but justified of course.[/quote]


Always happy to see chatter/posts about HV/Sect 1, but last night's post was a head scratcher until I realized that it was a continuation from June 19.
You're so bitter and resentful to in regard to holdbacks and ironically, the audience/area that you are a member of, Westchester/Fairfield Counties are full of wealth. The final rankings of Lohud lists Rye, Briarcliff, Scarsdale, Mamaroneck/Larchmont, Bronxville and Katonah; you 're truly tone deaf.

There is a holdback thread/conversation within the Maryland main forum, which you should be directed to.

The moderators should consider your posts to be problematic in nature.

Always happy to see chatter/posts about HV/Sect 1, but last night's post was a head scratcher until I realized that it was a continuation from June 19.
You're so bitter and resentful to in regard to holdbacks and ironically, the audience/area that you are a member of, Westchester/Fairfield Counties are full of wealth. The final rankings of Lohud lists Rye, Briarcliff, Scarsdale, Mamaroneck/Larchmont, Bronxville and Katonah; you 're truly tone deaf.

There is a holdback thread/conversation within the Maryland main forum, which you should be directed to.

The moderators should consider your posts to be problematic in nature.[/quote]

There is a 2-part problem. 1. the growing trend of re-classing going into and at High School and 2. COVID and the NCAA.

It's a bit tough to gauge how many college players are "holdbacks" per se since everyone was given at least one extra year and most got 2 years of extra eligibility (sorry ivies). the result of that has been all the college rosters got bloated and you see 23, 24 and 25 year old "senior" and grad level players that you haven't seen much in the past. I hardly blame them. If I was given one more year to play college lacrosse, I don't know many that would turn that down. Some did, of course, but that combination has been a huge issues for the last 2-3 recruiting classes and will take maybe 2-3 years more to level out.

I can't say I blame some kids for trying to maximize their opportunities to get on a college roster by re-classing now. Some rosters in college have over 60 kids on them when a "normal" roster is in the 40-45 range. There's just more people for less spots.

It is simply supply and demand. Same amount of high level D1 program and more and more kids fighting for those spots. Programs will take the best players regardless of age

Veteran comment and right. Must have older kids.

Sorry but this is wrong. Majority of players on college rosters are not on age for their class. Top recruit lists are dominated by holdbacks. The lax world rewards holdbacks through clubs-preps-showcases-colleges. Competing with other players their age generally means failure or not standing out. Its really a pathetic system fueled by the wealthy who will game any system but justified of course.[/quote]

Fairly myopic point of view. You are only looking at the top D1 and D3 schools. You said it yourself “top recruit lists”. There are ~190,000 high schoolers playing lacrosse and let’s estimate there are 40,000 graduating lacrosse players. The majority won’t go on to play lacrosse but I would imagine that the majority of ones that go on are on-age. This is because there are a 250 D3 programs and 75 D2 programs, the majority of which, I guarantee you, are not holdbacks.

There is a 2-part problem. 1. the growing trend of re-classing going into and at High School and 2. COVID and the NCAA.

It's a bit tough to gauge how many college players are "holdbacks" per se since everyone was given at least one extra year and most got 2 years of extra eligibility (sorry ivies). the result of that has been all the college rosters got bloated and you see 23, 24 and 25 year old "senior" and grad level players that you haven't seen much in the past. I hardly blame them. If I was given one more year to play college lacrosse, I don't know many that would turn that down. Some did, of course, but that combination has been a huge issues for the last 2-3 recruiting classes and will take maybe 2-3 years more to level out.

I can't say I blame some kids for trying to maximize their opportunities to get on a college roster by re-classing now. Some rosters in college have over 60 kids on them when a "normal" roster is in the 40-45 range. There's just more people for less spots.[/quote]

Westchester, LI and CT used to be insulated from the holdback trend that happens in the mid-Atlantic and Boston area but that is becoming more the norm for the aforementioned reasons you listed. But that is why holdback talk have and will infiltrate all the forums as it ain’t just limited to MD. I am not for holdbacks but it is necessary for most to enter the top schools. What is lost are all those who do hold back where the extra year doesn’t benefit them because all we see are the successes. But it’s never going away because College coaches want the older player as do Clubs and those two entities govern the sport for the foreseeable future, not public high schools or US Lacrosse.

Westchester, LI and CT used to be insulated from the holdback trend that happens in the mid-Atlantic and Boston area but that is becoming more the norm for the aforementioned reasons you listed. But that is why holdback talk have and will infiltrate all the forums as it ain’t just limited to MD. I am not for holdbacks but it is necessary for most to enter the top schools. What is lost are all those who do hold back where the extra year doesn’t benefit them because all we see are the successes. But it’s never going away because College coaches want the older player as do Clubs and those two entities govern the sport for the foreseeable future, not public high schools or US Lacrosse.[/quote]

Yes, the college coaches want the older (and therefore, better) players. The same is true in college hockey. Yet in hockey youth is played via birth year. Having a BY youth system is not inconsistent with college coaches using older players.

Only on age kids can play on the World Series Teams. They require birth certificate submission & photos of the kids to be submitted along with their jersey numbers.

Some kids age out. 2 Way 27's only had 2 kids age out of this year's World Series. Same goes for Eclipse. They are both solid teams in their own right.

I hear you, though.

Birth certificate requirement for lax teams in general should be required, just like soccer & baseball.

Cavalry Lacrosse Club -- started last summer with cores of players from CT Wolves and overall have had a very successful first year. The 2027s are a AA-level team with wins over Igloo Kodiak Rush, Legacy Gators (twice), Team Ten (out of the Philly area) and DC Express, among others. Very strong at the 28 and other years also. Tryouts this week and next at Fairfield U. Practice/academy sessions typically held in Ridgefield, Danbury or Fairfield, CT. Primarily run by the Fairfield Prep coaching staff.

https://cavalrylacrosseclub.com/

While at the Yale tournament this past w/e, Cavalry was brought up among a mixed group and one person mentioned that a Cavalry team, failed to show up on day 2 for a playoff game earlier this summer.

Anyone else hear about this?

What year? The 27s played in (1) Tristar on LI, (2) King Street Invite, (3) NXT (Philly) and (4) Pinnacle Championships (MD). All 2-day tourneys and the 27s were there both days. My understanding is that the 25s, 26s and 28s were also at the same tourneys both days. Can't speak to younger years, but I have not heard anything about anyone not showing up to anything.