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Uh oh. Trigger alert. Belle is listed as #4 in IL. So much for the haters saying she isn’t a star. The h word also known on this site as detest is a horrible thing. Let high school go.

with so many that want to bash her on this site why even post this plus your sign in makes you seem very creepy. You are just opening her up to the question of why her teammates and coaches did not select her as a captain etc. Its awesome being picked by the very political IL as a top 5 player but honestly the players that were selected to be captains at BC were given a bigger honor.

Congratulations to all daughters that have been offered a spot at ANY D1 school.

Only if your daughter plays at BC, Maryland or UNC is it a success.

with so many that want to bash her on this site why even post this plus your sign in makes you seem very creepy. You are just opening her up to the question of why her teammates and coaches did not select her as a captain etc. Its awesome being picked by the very political IL as a top 5 player but honestly the players that were selected to be captains at BC were given a bigger honor.

Ummm, totally do not agree with this! If your daughter ends up at a Stanford , because lacrosse opened that door? That’s true success and her future will be way brighter than most who end up at other schools! Her opportunities for future success in “real life” will be far greater. Lacrosse ends and should be a means to getting to the best education possible. Period!!

Such a transparent attack on a young woman, time for you to slither back under your rock. It must be tough going through life so bitter, resentful and jealous. You will never elevate your daughter by tearing down others. Congratulations to all the players recognized by Insidelacrosse.

When you look in the mirror there is no way that you like what you see after making such a cowardly attempt at diminishing the recognition a player has received. There is no honor in anonymously knocking a young women, in fact the post was an indication of just how pathetic some people are.

Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Penn. 4-6% acceptance rate. If you can use lacrosse to gain admission to one of those schools, you won the jackpot. Valedictorians with 1600 SATs are getting rejected. Lacrosse is a fun sport to play, but c’mon, we’re talking about a life changing degree. Priorities!

Obviously the above are excellent schools but Lacrosse can help each kid find a great fit.

COLLEGES WITH THE BEST EMPLOYER CONNECTIONS: THESE 30 COLLEGES GET STUDENTS JOBS THROUGH GREAT PROFESSIONAL PARTNERSHIPS

See link for the methodology, very interesting.

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/rankings/colleges-professional-partnerships/


1 - University of Michigan

2 - Penn State University

3 - Stanford

4 - Harvard University

5 - New York University

6 - Princeton University

7 - University of California, Berkeley

8 - University of Pennsylvania

9 - Massachusetts Institute of Technology

10 - University of Southern California

11 - Cornell University

12 - Dartmouth College

13 - University of Washington

14 - Texas A & M University

15 - Yale University

16 - Northeastern University

17 - Purdue University

18 - Carnegie Mellon University

19 - Georgia Institute of Technology

20 - University of California-Los Angeles

21 - Claremont McKenna College

22 - Arizona State University-Tempe

23 - California Institute of Technology

24 - University of Maryland

25 - North Carolina State University

26 - University of California-San Diego

27 - University of Florida

28 - University of California-Davis

29 - Virginia Tech

30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical University

16 of the best programs over the past 10 years are in the preseason Top 20 and 16 of the best 22 programs over the past 5 years are in the preseason top 20. UConn, Jacksonville, Drexel and Rutgers are the only new comers or non traditional Top 20 programs that are getting some attention due to their performance in 2021. I do not believe any of those teams except Rutgers would have finish in the Top 20 last year if the Ivy's were in action and the BIG 10 played out of conference games.

Conclusion, the game has grown, the athleticism and skills have improved across the board but in the end the majority of the best players tend to go to the traditional Top 20 programs. Going forward I think Clemson will become competitive quickly, Michigan will continue to be a Top 20 program, Dartmouth will continue to push Princeton and Penn and will most likely be the third IVY to consistently be ranked and make the tournament. USC should be back in the Top 20. Drexel did look good last year but they lost their coach so who knows. Not sure what the deal is at Penn State they had a strong freshmen class last year but they lost some players. Has Duke stopped their slide? Will the Blue Devils be back to being a Top 10 Program? Does Maryland get back to the Final Four? Can BC repeat? Will first year Syracuse Coach guide The Orange to The Final Four? Will the Ivy's be rusty after being off for so long? Don't think Stony Brook will be Top 5 at the end of the Season.

Anyone have a dark horse they think will surprise?

Good luck to all.

NIKE/USA LACROSSE
DIVISION I WOMEN’S PRESEASON TOP 20

​​1. Boston College
2. North Carolina
3. Syracuse
4. Northwestern
5. Stony Brook
6. Maryland
7. Notre Dame
8. Duke
9. Loyola
10. Florida
11. Virginia
12. James Madison
13. Princeton
14. Stanford
15. Denver
16. Rutgers
17. Drexel
18. Jacksonville
19. UConn
20. Penn

Also considered (alphabetical order): Johns Hopkins, Louisville, Michigan, Penn State, Richmond, Temple



Below is cut and paste from previous thread ...

looking back over the past 10 seasons not a lot has changed. There have been a total of 40 programs that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20.

20 programs have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 five times or more over the past 10 seasons. They are:

10 - UNC
10 - Maryland
10 - Boston College
10 - Northwestern
10 - Florida
10 - Virginia
10 - Syracuse
10 - Princeton (actual 9, they did not compete in 2021 but no reason to believe they would not have been top 20)
10 - Penn (see Princeton above :-) )

9 - Stony Brook
9 - Notre Dame

8 - Loyola

7 - Penn State
7 - UMass

6 - Duke
6 - JMU
6 - Denver

5 - Stanford
5 - Dartmouth
5 - Hopkins

Several teams have finished 1 X and some others 2 or 3 times but none are consistently ranked.

Looking at just the past 5 seasons not much has changed...

36 programs have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 over the past 5 years.

22 of those programs have finished in the Top 20 more than once during that 5 years. They are:

5 - UNC
5 - Maryland
5 - Boston College
5 - Northwestern
5 - Florida
5 - Virginia
5 - Syracuse
5 - Princeton (see above)
5 - Penn ( see above)
5 - JMU
5 - Stony Brook

4 - Notre Dame
4 - Loyola
4 - Denver

3 - UMass
3 - Navy
3 - Colorado

3 - Dartmouth (see Penn and Princeton above)

2 - Stanford
2 - Michigan
2 - USC
2 - Duke

Penn State and Hopkins have fallen off a bit while Navy, Colorado, USC and Michigan appear to be on the rise.

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The above was posted before the 2022 season... As we approach the 2023 season will there be any surprises?

Will Denver continue to impress? How about USC and Stanford, will they finish Top 20? Will Michigan and Rutgers continue to be Top 20 (Top 10)? Will Notre Dame finish with a winning record? What does Duke's out of conference schedule look like? Will Penn be back in the Top 20? How about Penn State, will they be back? Any predictions on how Clemson will finish?

We hear a lot about the growth of the sport but we see the same teams (for the most part) finish the season in the Top 20 every year.

Stanford=great academic institution but most overrated bowmen’s lacrosse team. Saw them play this fall very unimpressed!

Stanford=great academic institution but most overrated bowmen’s lacrosse team. Saw them play this fall very unimpressed!

Lol you sound foolish. Stanford played BC close this past fall, I believe BC won by 2 goals. I would have my daughter at Stanford winning rings every year and finishing in top 20 over any ACC, but that’s just me. Life is more than lacrosse. Use lacrosse to get into the best possible school to plan for the best possible job. Pretty sure when the Stanford grad competes with the ACC grad, Stanford gets the job.

Way early 2023 DI Ranking... guessing :-)

1 - North Carolina
2 - Maryland
3 - Northwestern
4 - Boston College
5 - Stony Brook
6 - Syracuse
7 - Florida
8 - Rutgers
9 - James Madison
10 - Denver
11 - Stanford
12 - Loyola
13 - Duke
14 - Notre Dame
15 - Southern California
16 - Princeton
17 - Virginia
18 - Michigan
19 - Jacksonville
20 - Richmond

Happy to see some relatively new faces getting some hype.

Agree with the top 2. Very surprised Maryland is getting so much respect, I seem to recall some of the experts on this site predicting they were finished and would no longer compete with the top teams.

Not sure both BC and Northwestern make the Final Four. Maybe one of them.

Stony Brook, Syracuse and Florida??

Rutgers, JMU and Denver are all solid but not sure all three will finish in the top 10.

Stanford, Loyola and Duke are also solid but none have a lot of room for error if they want to crack the Top 10.

ND, USC and Princeton could probably be swapped out with Stanford, Loyola and Duke. Maybe even with Syracuse, Florida and Rutgers.

Virginia and Michigan will be fighting it out with 5 - 16 trying to break into the Top 10.

Jacksonville and Richmond can't afford to be upset or teams like Hopkins, UMass, Penn State, Arizona State, Penn etc... will move ahead of them.

Are there any teams not listed who can surprise us and shake things up?

A few top 20 games to open the season will be interesting.

UNC/JMU
UVA/Stanford
NW/Syracuse
BC/USC

Did UVA relax their regular season out of conference schedule?

Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Penn. 4-6% acceptance rate. If you can use lacrosse to gain admission to one of those schools, you won the jackpot. Valedictorians with 1600 SATs are getting rejected. Lacrosse is a fun sport to play, but c’mon, we’re talking about a life changing degree. Priorities!

Sorry, why would any one of us want our daughters to play at U of Penn when they allow a male identifying as a female to compete as a women? Can you imagine using that same philosophy and have them play contact sports against our daughters? Sorry that's a hard no with all of their woke bs agenda and forgoing actual science?

Considering Penn probably only brings in 8-10 players per year I don't think most on here will have to worry about it.

That said, applying your logic, why would anyone want to have their daughter compete in an NCAA sport? They allow males to compete against women.

All schools lean left so if you don't want your child exposed to the nonsense you better Home School your children.

We hear of the woke BS at schools like Penn because they are world renowned universities. The same craziness goes on at just about all schools (it's just that the media doesn't report on schools that are not well known).

If your kid receives an offer from Penn and you advise her not to go because of the swimmer BS you should probably rethink your position.

Stanford, Princeton, JMU, Richmond on the out of conference schedule it looks tough.

The NIKE/USA LACROSSE poll looks very similar to the Inside Lacrosse poll, pretty much all the same teams, with some slight shuffling.

1 North Carolina
2 Maryland
3 Boston College
4 Stony Brook
5 Northwestern
6 Syracuse
7 Rutgers
8 Florida
9 Stanford
10 Denver
11 Duke
12 James Madison
13 Virginia
14 Notre Dame
15 Loyola
16 USC
17 Princeton
18 Michigan
19 Jacksonville
20 Richmond

Couple of quick observations,
1. UNC top 10 yes top 5 no. Defense will be very solid again but the goalie is an unkown. They lost a ton of offense that cannot be replaced.
2. Syracuse is top 3, they return their best offensive players and add 2 more from the injury list, they will be better in goal this year as they cant be worse
3. JMU is better than 12 and will end up top 5 by the end of the season ( will still lose opener but I think end up better than UNC)
4. Stanford is not a top 10 , not sure why they keep trying to sneak the west coast teams up the list , lost their best offensive player and essentially beat no one last year how do they jump over Denver, UVA , Jacksonville and even Richmond , all teams who beat them last year.
5. The team everyone loves to detest Duke is better than their ranking and with the draw kid returning will be difficult to beat , sad that they still play a weak non conference schedule.

Duke will not be hard to beat. Just like every year. Weak scheduling never brings a good outcome. UNC always in top 5 till they prove us wrong. Stanford will continue to improve and absolutely belongs in top 10. Ton of young talent there. Cuse should switch with Stony Brook. We will seen how everything shakes up soon enough! I think it’s a pretty accurate pre season ranking.

Draw “kid” is a full grown woman who should be married with three kids by now. Taking spots from the next gen of players. A shame COVID has destroyed the sport. Furthermore, the transfer portal needs more restrictions, it’s gotten out of control

Duke will not be hard to beat. Just like every year. Weak scheduling never brings a good outcome. UNC always in top 5 till they prove us wrong. Stanford will continue to improve and absolutely belongs in top 10. Ton of young talent there. Cuse should switch with Stony Brook. We will seen how everything shakes up soon enough! I think it’s a pretty accurate pre season ranking.

Sorry but Stanford top 10 is ridiculous at this point , basing that on they have a "ton of young talent " tells us all we need to know. Again they lost their best player and essentially beat no top 20 teams last year. Same will happen this year , play a weal schedule all year get over hyped then lose early in the NCAA

Draw “kid” is a full grown woman who should be married with three kids by now. Taking spots from the next gen of players. A shame COVID has destroyed the sport. Furthermore, the transfer portal needs more restrictions, it’s gotten out of control

Just another parent of a student athlete that seems to think thier child is entitled to something. Your Daughter or any other player of the "next Gen" should be able to earn thier spot regardless of the competion and or age of thier teamates. Nothing given , every thing earned.

Just another parent of a student athlete that seems to think thier child is entitled to something. Your Daughter or any other player of the "next Gen" should be able to earn thier spot regardless of the competion and or age of thier teamates. Nothing given , every thing earned.

Nope, didn’t effect my kid who started since freshman year. I am just disgusted to see so many others getting cheated. NCAA made some very poor decisions. I’m all for earning your spot, but it should not need to earned over someone who does not belong there.

Conference champs, rings every year, top 3 academic school, sunny Cali. LOL haters! Pretty sure what you say can also be said for Duke, Virginia and ND. Stanford on par with them. None of them winning the natty, but have lots to offer outside lax. Everyone wants to be a critic!

Nope, didn’t effect my kid who started since freshman year. I am just disgusted to see so many others getting cheated. NCAA made some very poor decisions. I’m all for earning your spot, but it should not need to earned over someone who does not belong there.

You clearly did not go to Stanford.. Your argument that they should be ranked in the top 10 of D1 womens lacrosse because they are a top academic school in a sunny location is again just
ridiculous. They have not won an NCAA tournament game in the past 5 seasons and the only one they were competitive in was against another over hyped west team. They have bben outscored by 29 goals in their last 4 opening round matches. Top 5 academics but not even close to top 10 lacrosse team.