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I agree, I’m glad there is more opportunity for more girls to attend the big showcases. However, it would be nice to see a truly elite one like UA used to be in the past, to showcase the truly top regional players in one place. I think it’s getting very watered down now.

They are all starting to be much of the same, at this point. UA had the best model in the past, a true invite that was sponsored and no charge to the players. It was about showcasing talent and not padding club owners pockets. There is too much emphasis on the $s in this sport now , making it even more elitist than the past.

I agree but in todays everyone gets a trophy world the UA model wouldn’t work today. There’s no more trust in these selective showcases to have a fair process. That’s UA or AS. Lacrosse is big business. Duke had a camp over a summer weekend where they pulled in over 200k. For 8 hours of lax.
Heck I wish I could run one of these tournaments. There’s at least 50 YJ parents who would give me money because they think their kid is the next Charlotte North. But truth be told, it’s in every sport these days, not just lax.

Lots of ‘24s cracking the Stat leader boards for Nassau and Suffolk. Great to see. Wish Newsday reflected the number of games played. Some schools play 2-3 more games than others so the stats are not actually accurate

The stats are just dense. They are not being kept properly and it’s like comparing apple and oranges between the teams and their schedules! The Stats are bogus as there is no way for them to be accurate the way they are now. They should not be used for judging the 24s and rating or ranking them. It really all depends on a lot of factors. The main one is there is no way to tell if they are being kept properly. Or at all! Who are jerking these stats? What’s the actual competition!? Crazy

Exactly. The lower bracket teams gave by far easier competition. Those players can rack up goals. Notice the Nassau power conf teams do not have players high on Those lists. Competition many times harder. Also. Coaches pad stats for their big names. I’ve seen it. Not accurate

Nassau Power Conference by far the toughest conference. Not a conference for padding your stats..

The Stats are not a good way to be comparing the players and their “rankings”. Too many factors that are not making stats accurate.

Best teams in Nassau:
Wantagh
GC
Manhasset
CSH

After that there is a drop off with lots of Stat padding. If you put up numbers playing those teams, you’re daughter is legit

Ummm… there are other great teams on LI! NP, BBP and SA all rated higher! So, as far as LI goes , best teams not necessarily in Nassau. I agree the stats are like comparing apples and oranges. And …not always kept correctly.

If you play those legit teams and lose, your stats won't be padded as winning coaches report the scores to Newsday. Doubtful that an opposing coach is looking to pad an opponents stats. Also as far as stat pading goes the # of goals by players has to match the score of the game so tough to pad goals. There could be some issues with assists I guess but probably not much.

Below is an old document that was shared with us during my son's recruiting process. He is a current Junior in college and he was in the process before the "September 1" rule change was put in place.

Some of may be dated but I believe it can still shed some light on what college coaches look for. I would pay particular attention to the very last section.



Duke Lacrosse Recruiting Prospectus

As a top academic school that is committed to competing for the ACC and NCAA Championship every year, we choose to take a very calculated approach to the recruiting process.
We feel strongly that our approach has played a major part in the success of our program as well as the academic, athletic and personal success of our many players.

We are highly selective in our recruiting process and take enormous pride in the team culture and chemistry that exists within our program.
We place tremendous emphasis on getting to know our prospects and their families during the recruiting process. This experience has proven critical in finding players who will be happy and successful
student-athletes at Duke University.

When evaluating prospective student-athletes for our program,
there are four major components that we factor in:

Academic Fit
Athletic Fit
Personal Fit
Interest in Duke.

ACADEMIC FIT

Our admissions process plays a critical role in our recruiting process. We have between 7-10 spots to work with each year. Prospective student-athletes must fall within the parameters set by our admissions office to be considered for an athletic admissions “spot".
These parameters are as follows:

3.2-GPA or higher
1200 SAT
26 ACT

GPA: Our admissions office prefers prospects with a GPA of at least a 3.2 in a challenging curriculum where students are enrolled in honors/AP courses or are on track to take these courses in their senior year.

SAT's: Again, with the recruiting process beginning so early, we recommend that prospects consider taking the exam earlier as well. In addition, it has been our experience that writing component of the exam makes the test longer and therefore more challenging for most students. We recommend that prospects plan to take their standardize tests THREE times--Fall, Winter, Spring—in their junior year. Options include taking a combination of SAT's as well as the ACT exam.

The sooner prospects take these exams, the sooner we will know if they will be a good academic fit for Duke. 

Red Flags:  Two issues that would be considered "red flags" in the admissions process would include:
Multiple C's in core courses (Math, English, Science, History)
A score below a 550 in either Critical Reading or Math.

Exceptions: It is important to note that there are exceptions made for students who fall below the the standards listed above. These are handled on an individual basis. All of our students who have fallen in this range have graduated from Duke.

ATHLETIC FIT
Our Needs: Each year, we do our best to bring in players who will meet our greatest on-field needs. Often, we do not have a solid command of those needs until we have completed a full season with our newest players. By late May, we have been afforded the opportunity to see our freshmen and younger players grow and will better have a sense for where they will fit into the scheme of things throughout their career. These determinations help us to decide who we will zero in on for the next class.

As the recruiting process has accelerated so greatly, we do our best to “anticipate” what our needs will be as early as possible and communicate those needs to our prospective student-athletes. It is possible that our priorities will shift in focus from fall to spring based on our team’s development.

What we look for: We typically like to fill a class with 8 -10 players. We consider overall character to be the most essential piece of the process. Talent is extremely important, as all great teams have talented players, however when talent is even character rises. What are the athletic qualities we consider to be paramount? Speed, athleticism, game sense, sticks skills, coachability, adaptability, work ethic. Intangibles: competitive nature, heart, determination, love of the game, will to improve and will to win a championship. Lastly, we are looking for those strong enough to persevere through this process with confidence in their ability to reach set goals. The Duke experience is about maturing into a man of consequence and character.
 

PERSONAL FIT
Finding a great fit: When considering future players for our program, we first look for students who feel that Duke University will be a great fit for them. We encourage our prospects to not only visit Duke unofficially but other schools as well. The process of visiting schools, touring with admissions offices, and meeting coaching staffs will no doubt help them to determine if Duke could be a good fit for them.

Camp: As official visits have become virtually non-existent in the recruiting process, we encourage interested players to attend our camps. This will give prospects the opportunity to stay on our campus, meet our players, and spend time working with our staff. This experience is a valuable one in the recruiting process because it gives prospects a great feel for what it is like to be part of the Duke Men’s Lacrosse Program.

Sophomore Days: We offer sophomore days by invitation only. These are typically in the fall semester once we have had the chance to evaluate players academically and athletically through the early summer months. It is important for you to know that if someone isn’t invited to our sophomore day, it does not exclude them from being recruiting by us. We have many players on our team who never attended a sophomore weekend at Duke.


Our team: We have a team full of exceptional student athletes who do a tremendous job of balancing the demands academics, athletics and normal college social lives. Along with emphasizing a balanced approach, our program also very much embraces a "family" atmosphere. We feel strongly that this enhances the experience of our students academically, athletically and socially. We are looking for players who will embrace this aspect of our program.


INTEREST IN DUKE
Should all else be equal in evaluating prospects for our program, we are always going to choose kids who really want to be at Duke. A unique spirit is woven through the fabric of our university when it comes to athletics. There is total commitment to achieving excellence in the classroom, on the athletic field and in life. We want players in our program who is going to embrace this spirit and who feel a strong connection to our players, coaches, the program and the university environment as a whole.

3.2 GPA and 1200 SAT are weak, surprised they don’t have higher standards for their student athletes. You wouldn’t touch an Ivy or Stanford or ND with those grades. In line with Northwestern though.

Interesting no mention of summer club tournament circuits

No need to state the obvious. Summer and Fall club tournaments is where college coaches watch players compete, it's where the coaches identify the players that they will recruit.

Such an ignorant response from someone who knows nothing.

In Suffolk the top teams don’t all play in the same conference as they do Nassau.

--- "We have between 7-10 spots to work with each year. Prospective student-athletes must fall within the parameters set by our admissions office to be considered for an athletic admissions “spot".
These parameters are as follows:

3.2-GPA or higher
1200 SAT
26 ACT" ---

It states "to be considered for an athletic spot" it does not state that an athlete will be granted admission. At Duke, the coach has between 7 - 10 "spots" the academic credentials needed will vary depending on the student athletes "athletic/lacrosse" ability. The #1 recruit will not need the same grades / test scores as the #9 recruit.

As for the other schools that you mention, the admissions process works in a similar way (Ivy's use their Academic Index). There is a minimum standard but the recruits will fall within a range. Coaches are not going to admissions with 10 kids who are all at the academic minimum ....

It’s the 2nd week of April and D1 schools are still committing female lacrosse athletes from the 2023 class. It’s a learning process but in hindsight, schools were still heavily focused on 2023 this past fall/winter. Many of the college coaches spoke of this and now we are seeing it play out.
Some 2022s were still in play in the late fall depending on the level and academic environment.
September 1, 2022 is not the finish line for many 2024 lax athletes. Not everyone will be getting a call in September or October but don’t be discouraged.
You can expect the environment to be the same with the 2024 class this fall/winter/ and next spring. Be patient as everyone’s experience is different.

Division 1 schools that signed 2023 female lacrosse athletes between March 1 and April 7, 2022.

Syracuse, Richmond, Army x2, Oregon, Gardner Webb x2, Kent St, Manhattan x3, Iona x2, Robert Morris x2, Lasalle, Holy Cross, Sacred Heart, Fairfield x2,
George Washington, Liberty, Eastern Michigan x2, Rutgers, Wagner, Merrimack, Presbyterian x3, Central Michigan, Campbell x3, Kennesaw St x2, Marquette, Niagara, Bucknell, Caniscius, Butler, Lindenwood, Radford, SUNY Albany

Division 2 and Division 3-

Rollins x3, Westchester x2, St Leo x2, Dension x4, SUNY Cortland, Muhlenberg, SCSU, Salisbury x2, Gettysburg x3, Findlay x2, Desales, Sewanee, SUNY New Paltz, East Strousberg , Franklin and Marshall, Flagler, Mt Olive, Queens U of Charlotte, Christopher Newport U x 4, Stonehill, Limestone, Dickinson, pace, Slippery Rock, RIT, Ursinus, Colby, Stevenson, Rochester, College of NJ, Wingate

X followed by a number represents multiple players signed

Good luck and happy hunting.
Don’t stress and enjoy the experience
550 Colleges/Universities that support D1, 2 of 3 women’s lacrosse and that’s not including the many club options

Syracuse signed all 6 recruits by mid October. Richmond has not added either.

Amazing how many landing spots there are for women in lacrosse and the list is growing constantly..
This is a quality list of academic institutions.
It’s a busy time between recruiting and being in-season.

This is the 2024 thread. Not the high school thread.

Rumor says the recruiting date that college coach can talk to athletes is going to move to June, anyone heard about this? Or is this for class 2024?

June of their Junior year? Moved to later? Have not heard anything about that. If it’s true, I would think it would be known soon?

High school thread is dead

No, earlier. Most NCAA sports (exceptions are football, basketball, baseball and lacrosse) use June 15 of sophomore year, and no one is really sure why lacrosse is an exception.

D2 schools can contact players on June 15th

There's no need to make it earlier. All that does is push up the recruiting dates so girls are being recruited at an even younger age. They used to do it that way and it was notIntelligent. What 8th grader knows where they want to go college? Also how many players have hit their peak at 14 or 15 years old? September 1st of Junior year is early enough.

I wouldn’t mind it being Sept 1 of rising Sophomore year. Would save some money for us and a lot of time stressing out for them. I agree 8th grade is too young. But 15, 16 years old is old enough.

Should be June 1 like many of the other sports. It's stressful for all recruits, it would be nice to have communication and possible visits during the summer without a full school load and fall sports. The coaches are already in full recruiting mode during the summer. Much easier to talk to a coach after she just saw the girl play instead of 3 months later.

ND standards are even lower than Duke's. However, as other posters have said, the majority of these school's rosters is well above these numbers.

Keep in mind, these are the minimum standards in order to be "Considered for an athletic admissions spot" it doesn't guarantee a spot.

College lacrosse is a spring sport. Coaches aren't ready to go to recruit June 1st. They need the summer to watch the girls play. Otherwise, they would be recruiting based on what happened the previous Fall. Soccer recruiting starts June 15th but that makes sense because soccer is a Fall college sport. And then club soccer has showcases, ECNL games etc during the spring. It doesn't make sense for the spring sports to start recruiting in June.

Coaches started recruiting this fall for 24s. If you know any college coaches in the recruiting circuit they will tell you they watched and are following 24s since this fall. Doesn’t mean end of the world if they didn’t see you, but they definitely are looking before June and September

College lacrosse is a spring sport. Coaches aren't ready to go to recruit June 1st. They need the summer to watch the girls play. Otherwise, they would be recruiting based on what happened the previous Fall. Soccer recruiting starts June 15th but that makes sense because soccer is a Fall college sport. And then club soccer has showcases, ECNL games etc during the spring. It doesn't make sense for the spring sports to start recruiting in June.[/quote]


All changing the recruiting start date doesn is change the time when coaches can start talking directly to players (and make offers) instead of funnelling things through their club coaches. If anything, would be a positive change especially for the top recruits since they wouldn't have to make decisions in a 4 week time frame.

One more time for those in the back. 1) yes some top D1 schools do add some 23 girls in the spring and even summer 2) the vast majority of them will not be getting any scholarship $$. Both can be true.

Yes for sure
Schools are in season right now and still signing 2023s.
They will need this summer and fall to look at 2024.
This fall 2024s may have been invited and present but it was obvious that colleges were Uber focused on 2023 and some still completing the 2022 class. At the winter camps we saw the same as many schools were mainly focused on 2023.
Seems to me that Sept 1 date makes a lot of sense.
As we have seen the recruiting for 2024 will carry on for many months. Many D1 schools are still signing players now. D2 and D3 tend to move later are starting to heat up now on 2023. It has been very busy.

American select will be changing their name to ‘Everyone makes the Team’ showcase while CR gets paid. Keep drinking the juice. It really doesn’t make much difference to college coaches. Plenty of top kids don’t attend these things. Some that do don’t pan out either. But keep thinking paying $700 for this will get you the extra exposure you needed.

It's fun and great lacrosse! Great event! You can stay home and keep being miserable!

It's laughable how the vocal minority come on and rip events and put down girls on this site. It's great you have a place to get it off your chest and tell so many how the world works. I hope you're not making such an butt of your self on the sidelines, or your daughter would have quit lacrosse years ago from your negative attitude. Keep spewing the nonsense, detest and venom, I hope it therapeutic!

American Select will have a ton of college coaches watching the games. Also, Best in Class will have a lot of top college coaches in attendance. If your daughter is good enough and lucky enough to be chosen these are great events to be seen at. Are they deal breakers? No, but it certainly helps boost visibility for the girls that get to participate.