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That is a very thoughtful point. Come to think of it, I cannot remember the last tournament where I didn't hear parents from all the MD teams lamenting they were missing kids because they were off playing in another tournament for their high school. Over the Summer that has been a given for a few years. Then we saw it happen a lot this Fall, which shocked me a bit. It leads me to wonder, once your kid is in 9th grade, is club ball soon to be in the past tense? If you go to a BL or a Gilman, those schools can displace the need for clubs if they want to. Based on the economics of the sport (private school tuitions + club fees + showcase events) getting some synergies and savings out of it would be good for the consumer. Bad for the club owners, but who would have a cry on that?

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Many of the Club teams in Baltimore are coached by local HS coaches. These coaches want the opportunity to work with the players over the summer and I believe the boys would benefit. If this trend continues it will be the downfall of some clubs. I would imagine the heads of some clubs would force players to make a decision, club or HS. We've already seen one club not allow players to participate in Rec lacrosse while most embrace it.

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2014 Fall Tryout Schedule for this weekend. Complete schedule at http://capital.madlax.com/fall2014season

Tryouts Schedule (subject to changes & additions):
8/23 Saturday (location: McLean HS Turf)
2022/23 (4th & 5th graders this fall) from 12-1:30
2020/21 (6th & 7th graders this fall) from 1:30-3pm
2019 (8th graders this fall) from 3-4:30pm
2018 (9th graders this fall) from 4:30-6pm
2017 & 2016 & 2015 (10th, 11th, 12th graders this fall) from 6-8pm

8/24 Sunday (location: Marymount)
2024/25 (2nd & 3rd Graders this fall) from 10-11:30
2022/23 (4th & 5th graders this fall) from 11:30-1pm
2020/21 (6th & 7th graders this fall) from 1-2:30pm
2019 (8th graders this fall) from 2:30-4pm
2018 (9th graders this fall) from 4-5:30pm

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Saw this on the Looney's thread. it belongs here:
There are 3 strong clubs in DC area: Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf. Madlax is the best top to bottom. Period.

Real Madlax youth stats: 23-10 at all AA levels in Spring NPYLL. [That's a 70% win percentage BTW (23/33=.6969)]. Then dig a little deeper--U15AAA at 7-2 and U13AAA at 8-1. Losses only to Crabs and Hawks, Baltimore and Annapolis teams respectively. Pretty good by my standards, and best teams at this critical age in Washington DC. To be fair, Baltimore Crabs are still better top to bottom, but gap is closing. As a Baltimore club, Crabs are not a real option for us DC parents. Hawks (Annapolis) were awesome this past year, particularly at youth, but again too far for most DCers.

The Madlax U15 team won [lacrosse]'s national title at Christmas (U13 at the time) and the current Madlax U13 team won the World Championship in Denver this July. Look it up, and confirm. The U13 team won 4 out of 5 tournaments this summer, losing in finals at Young Gunz to a loaded Dukes team. This team has lost only 2 games since it was formed in Fall of 2013 and is clearly one of the best, if not #1 U13 team in country (sorry LI). Won Next Level Fall League, all 3 Fall Tournaments, 2nd in Spring League after losing to Crabs in final by a goal. 2-1 versus the Crabs, after beating them in fall NPYLL championship and in Young Gunz this Summer. There isn't a youth team in DC that can compete with these teams. In fact, VLC enters its U13 in B brackets to avoid Madlax, haters check Fall NPYLL and Summer Greene Turtle before responding. As you may know, Blackwolf doesn’t do youth, VLC only u11, and Madlax .500 at U9 and U11, although the Madlax U11’s had a great summer.

Madlax will continue to be stronger at 2018, as rising Freshmen will be the U15 AAA moving up -- including first 2018 commit nationally (to JHU). Go watch them play – a very skilled and entertaining group. VLC not is same zip code and Blackwolf is a big question mark following rumors of Trig’s relocation to Texas.

U15AAA will be best team in youth lacrosse in Washington DC, as it will be rising U13’s. Players are getting tremendous national exposure. Google them if you doubt me. VLC will continue to avoid this team.

Madlax is also very strong at 2017, as is VLC to be fair. Madlax stronger at 2016, VLC at 2015. Blackwolf is a ?? at these levels for me, although awesome reputation. Will it continue with Trig out at Saint Stephens? Going to Texas? As VLC’s really strong senior team of Madlax defectors dwindles, it will be left with 1 good team, at 2017. While there are repeated efforts by its coaches, VLC has been unsuccessful at recruiting Madlax players at other levels.

While change is constant, Madlax has consistently been the top program in the Washington DC area

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I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.

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to all MD parents, I ask that you go to the FO petition and sign. While I am from LI and we certainly have our differences, I ask that you join the movement and keep the game progressing rather than moving backwards.

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to all MD parents, I ask that you go to the FO petition and sign. While I am from LI and we certainly have our differences, I ask that you join the movement and keep the game progressing rather than moving backwards.


Moving forward is what the rule change is doing!

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Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.


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Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.



Agreed 100%

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I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.


U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

Not sure which CB or NL teams would be considered really good.

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I would say Madlax looks better for the older kids (2020 -2018), but Bethesda's young kids are definitely better (2023-2021). Club Blue and Next Level have some really good groups also.


U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

Not sure which CB or NL teams would be considered really good.


Madlax Ull in NPYLL - 5-2, Bethesda U11 in NPYLL 7-0. (Edge to Bethesda) Club Blue Ull 2-4 in NPYLL. Next Level did not field a U11AA team.


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U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)

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After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly..

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Having one kid win 90% of faceoffs with the wings not having a chance to get involved at all is not progressing.



Agreed 100%


You poor, poor stupid people, it is a D-1 rule change (potentially) the best guy in the country only won 70%. It has been around 70% for the last 20 years, long before pinch and pop. It is a safety isse...Pay attention to the details, it is how you can form real thoughts...

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U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)



After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly.. [/quote]

"Guest" players?

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U11 Madlax team didn't lose a game this past summer (18 - 0)


After the the NYPLL season ended and they picked up additional players, which helped them greatly..


Are you saying players left their spring team to play on ML's summer team?

Looking at the posted roster, the spring and summer teams look essentially the same except for 2 players

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It was essentially the same Madlax U11AA team from the Spring. A few new players helped, but the big difference was that the team improved. Improvement is what you want, so the summer was a positive result for the team and the players.

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Who cares about U11? It's youth lacrosse. Any adult who is obsessed enough to record the win/loss record of a youth team (let alone a U11 team), needs to get a grip on reality.

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Who cares about U11? It's youth lacrosse. Any adult who is obsessed enough to record the win/loss record of a youth team (let alone a U11 team), needs to get a grip on reality.


At what age is it OK to care?
Some U13 kids are getting scouted by college coaches so is that when the switch gets turned on to care?

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Look at the little league World Series. 11 year olds on Espn constantly and even made the cover of SI. Like it or not, America cares about youth sports.

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Looks like MadLax had a great Summer. Not parent here but why the hate? They lost two games by 1 goal to Hawks in NPYLL and then beat Hawks by 1 goal twice in Summer. They beat a surprisingly strong Charlotte team by 1 goal (that had beaten the Hawks). Madlax might not have beaten Bethesda or Igloo, but the parents can be proud of their kids, who I'm sure had fun and made great memories. It's better when it's not easy. Someone said Madlax strong 2020 and up, and I think poster was right to suggest at least 2021 and up.

If the point is parents should keep youth sports and scores and "whose team is better" in perspective and behave better on the sidelines, hopefully we can all agree on that. I'd argue that parents should keep getting a 25% scholarship to a top 10 school in perspective as well.

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How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.

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Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.

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Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.


That's just an asinine statement.

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Madlax has a lot of kids in the youth pipeline, but the best typically peel off for other clubs once they reach HS age.

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Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.


Madlax 2019's did not play in fl$ in 3d! No wonder they did not look like the NPYLL team

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How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.


U11 team - half of the team was actually 2022 and most of those would still qualify for U11 this year

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How many holdbacks on team... if a bunch not so impressive..if none very impressive as hawks and Bethesda are grade based teams like year.


U11 team - half of the team was actually 2022 and most of those would still qualify for U11 this year

ALL 2022's should still qualify for U11 this year

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Read the Deadspin article about the owner of this program. He's a maniac.

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Old news...move on.

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Didnt ask how many were 2022. asked how many were holdbacks. a 2022 holdback last year was a second year U11 which many grade based teams had last year. If you had 2022 holdbacks along with 2021 holdbacks then Madlax had a mainly older players along with too old for U11 players. That is what the better 5th grade based teams had last year. Of course the more you had the the better you were. Most of the better age based teams had a more second year U11 players than first...of course they were the right age for U11.

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Grade based is where you see holdbacks, genius. Last year all Madlax youth teams were age based, u9, u11, u13, u15 on USL standards. NPYLL, at Crabs and Hawks insistence, is going grade based so Madlax is changing this year to grade based teams

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Sorry Genius ..Madlax was far from only age based last year. Try again. Personally talked to a Madlax parent who pointed out two players to old to play at the right age. Known parent two years, no need to lie to me. Nice try Genius.. Who are you Cabell the same guy who lies about young players

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Madlax youth teams played in multiple "birth certificate" tournaments last year. U15 won [lacrosse]'s. U13 won the World Games tournament. Both required proof of age. Madlax publishes its rosters for those teams on the web site. Are you saying Madlax parents forge birth certificates to play in those tournaments?

Also, if Madlax cheated, it would be very obvious as virtually all of the kids on Madlax play on age-based rec teams.

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Didnt ask how many were 2022. asked how many were holdbacks. a 2022 holdback last year was a second year U11 which many grade based teams had last year. If you had 2022 holdbacks along with 2021 holdbacks then Madlax had a mainly older players along with too old for U11 players. That is what the better 5th grade based teams had last year. Of course the more you had the the better you were. Most of the better age based teams had a more second year U11 players than first...of course they were the right age for U11.


This really makes no sense - U11 means U11

All of the kids on the U11 team met the age based requirements to play U11 - unless of course parents lied on the application.

You must be some FUZE parent that thinks his kid plays for a good club

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Madlax, you will struggle to be taken seriously in Baltimore as long as you add players from elsewhere to your summer club teams. For instance, your 2019 team at fl$ in 3d (all 28 of them)did not resemble your NPYLL team in any way.


Madlax 2019's did not play in fl$ in 3d! No wonder they did not look like the NPYLL team


This must be in reference to Young Gunz, not fl$. The Madlax "National " U13AAA team played in Young Gunz. The local U13AAA team lost to Crabs in NPYLL but the "National" team beat Crabs in Young Gunz.

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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....

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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. U11 is U11 Wow real insight. But 2021 which is a U11 team supposedly ..but if without age restrictions does not mean anything except you need a graduation year of 2021. Take it to a extreme you could have been held back 3 times and be able to play on a U15 age based team but still be on a 2021 grade team.

Man you Madlax parents really are sensitive.. It was a simple question about holdbacks and you Madlax parents have turned it into something else.... Oh and what is Madlax this year grade base or age base .....oh thats right Grade base .....


Relax. The topic of reclasses is controversial from 8th grade and up because of the unfair advantage it gives kids when it comes to recruiting. No one cares about kids younger than that and I doubt it's even that prevalent.

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Really...You must be out of the Md/Dc/Va club world then. Almost ALL Club teams went grade based this year for what reason???
It had been age based on USL guidelines up until then. The USL guideline matched school registration for the grade. Why the need to change. Main reason was to accommodate CHILDREN under 15 down to 9 who had been held back. If it wasnt prevalent then Crabs, Hawks, Madlax now, etc would not have gone grade base. They used to ALL be age based until HS level teams ????. Frankly at the youth level in many tournaments it was in many tournaments last year . This year youth holdbacks will be in ALL tournaments. No one cares about parents cheating the system with their children????????.

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Here is what USL representative had to say about grade based Lacrosse trend last month in another forum discussing grade based vs age based teams .

""""" The problem with grade-based segmentation in youth sports is, of course, that it's not in the best interests of kids. The different rates of physical and cognitive development at each age varies widely so, in contact sport like boys' lacrosse, it's simply not safe to allow kids of such varying ages and development levels to compete against each other. Nor does it reinforce the fundamental principles of fair play and fun that are essential to player retention in youth sports. Allowing the club "system" and associated recruiting events to determine what's best for your child is not only a clear conflict of interest...it's a tremendous abdication of responsibility by the primary consumers of a child's lacrosse experience - parents """""""""""""

Most people agree with him except the chosen ones and their supporters who like to have children play against younger children to get an advantage they couldn't have going against same age children..But of course only they are allowed it as they had the forethought to hold their children back.

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