BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys High School Lax

So a clown then.

Sorry the truth hurts.

Many 2022 players were basically recruited via club coach connections with college coach contacts. Having the right connections helped some players and not having them hurt others.

Dude, you're all over the place with your thoughts and quite frankly, none of them make sense or carry weight. This all coming from a guy who supposedly doesn't have a child old enough to endure what you're claiming is occurring and supposedly doesn't care. You cared enough to take the time and jot down some random unfounded thoughts though, right?

To say the certain classes have it the worse just goes to show how naïve you truly are. The first class affected by all this was 2020 who were essentially robbed of a normal senior year and had whatever recruiting process they were in put on hold. 2021 wasn't any picnic either.... and this is coming from a 2019 grad parent. So before you start spewing nonsense about stuff you supposedly could care less about, do some research before doing so.

2021 HS commits 2022 HS commits 2020 grad students 2021 grad students
Maryland 19 9 0 2
Rutgers 18 10 1 5
Penn State 16 12 0 6
Hopkins 16 12 0 2
Duke 13 10 3 15
UNC 11 11 0 2

Where did you pull the 2021 commits from? They seem high, most years top programs take anywhere from 9-12 players Some years they go a little higher based off what they are looking for. The most I've ever seen from Maryland was 13-14 players. 2021 I believe from they had 13 commits not 19 I could be wrong. 2022 commits looks bout right for a recruiting class.

"2021 HS commits 2022 HS commits 2020 grad students 2021 grad students
Maryland 19 9 0 2
Rutgers 18 10 1 5
Penn State 16 12 0 6
Hopkins 16 12 0 2
Duke 13 10 3 15
UNC 11 11 0 2"

just a cursory check of these stats proves wrong. Duke took 9 kids in 2021 and 8 in 2022 (not 13 and 10) according to Inside Lacrosse.

Try this site.

http://laxbytes.com/RECRUITS/recruits_men_2021.php

Seriously, you don't have a clue? So what if they ride the bench for a year. Chances are the D1 education is way better, but of course your johnny is the exception. Plus after waiting the year that D1 Player will have oppurtunities when d3 doesnt have them at all.

While I don't agree with the original poster, you are seriously misguided if you actually believe what you wrote.

Not really sure what this means. The D1 player will have opportunities when D3 doesn’t have them at all? You’ve obviously never attended a top 20 D3 game. The top D3 schools are comparable to the 30-50 D1 schools athletically. Educationally... there is a wide range of educational opportunities in D3. From MIT, NESCAC ( Tufts, Middlebury, Williams, Amherst, Wesleyan etc ), Centennial ( Gettysburg, Dickinson, Haverford, Swarthmore, Franklin And Marshall, etc ), as well as Steven’s , RPI, Union, OWU, Denison, Washington & Lee and a host of other great schools... so you’re way off base in your assessment.

I see a lot of unnecessary personal attacks. Just wondering, where's your research?

I'm confused. Your son landed at a D3 school you and he are happy about. That's great. Why the nasty comments about kids who took a different route as long as they're happy? Seems odd.

Is the glamour of playing D1 lacrosse becoming more of a mirage? What's the point of literally sacrificing 4 years of your life in college to be able to play a sport when the team roster size is over 60 players (Denver) and has 15 grad students (Duke)? At least for those teams, most of the players on the roster will probably never get to see the field during their college career.

But the ones that do will have the time of their lives. So why not take the chance?? Imagine if some of the great ones had your attitude. What a shame that would have been.

Yes, but I think his point was if 60 kids are on rosters, most won’t be having the times of their lives. 50 kids are standing on the sideline watching 10 play. Maybe another 8 to 10 get some action. So 40,42 kids are basically just there so their parents can tell people my son plays D1 lacrosse. So missing out on college life for most players on those teams, is that worth it? I’m assuming that was the point being made.

I think most elite athletes have the mentality that someone has to play might as well be me. Imagine if Michael Jordan would have settled when he got cut from his High School JV basketball team. We all would have missed out on something special.

There are a lot of people who will always take the long odds in chase of a dream. I guess that’s fine. But just like playing the lottery or gambling at the casino, it takes a lot of losers to find 1 winner. Casinos and lotteries prey on that dream that YOU will be the next winner. Is that a wide decision?

Now with the appearance of grad school players, you may have patiently paid your dues and consistently moved yourself up the team depth chart not knowing your coach has imported a bunch of grad students after the lacrosse season to join your team and relegate you back on the bench for next year and the years to come..

Or maybe they got into a school they never could have without lax and already got to their end goal? Playing is gravy...

Using the sports analogy. If Aaron Rodgers was always stuck behind an older, but better player (a Brett Favre whose skills never eroded because of age), would he still become Aaron Rodgers, HOF NFL QB?

That's the way it should be. But that's not always what actually happens.

Very doubtful. Most top schools do not except students for lacrosse that could not make it in with out. Lacrosse makes the process easier. Every kid that gets into Duke, ND, Virginia etc. Get in because they have the grades. Lax does not help a kid get accepted to a top school. This is an excuse people use to justify spending thousands of dollars on youth lacrosse. The clubs sell this BS.

We’ll never know. I think that’s the point. My son would
Prefer to give it a shot at d1 level. Not saying it’s right
Or wrong. It just is. I didn’t like the original post because
It was bad mouthing kids who wanted to go the d1 route

I didn't write OP. I don't disagree with anyone's decision to go for it. It's their choice, and it could ultimately prove to be the right decision for them. They just need to go into it eyes wide open.

That's not true. A lot of high academic programs like the Ivies and Stanford take athletes who would never get accepted by admissions if they went through the regular application process. For many of those schools, the acceptance rate is absurdly low at 3-5%.

That is 100% false! There is a kid and Duke and one at UVA who absolutely did not even come close to having the grades to get in, but because they are one of the best players at their position, they got in.

I disagree. My son got into a top school he would never have got into without lacrosse. . He did visit one of the three you mentioned and the coach told him a gpa that was needed that was much lower than the 4.0 that was needed to get into that school for non athletes. It depends on be recruit. All are not treated equal. By the way my son was not one of the top recruits in the country so you don’t have to be the best of the best to get into a top school with lesser grades than needed by non athletes. .

From Stanford Magazine “How to Build a Dynasty.” July/Aug 1999

https://stanfordmag.org/contents/how-to-build-a-dynasty

“Stanford is the school of choice for the scholar-athlete. In the four classes entering the University from 1994 to 1997, the average freshman male athlete had logged a 3.73 high school GPA and a 1,215 SAT score, according to NCAA statistics. Female freshman athletes during the same period had a 3.87 GPA and a 1,151 SAT score. By comparison, the averages for all Division 1 schools combined were 2.97 and 997 for males and 3.29 and 1,007 for females. At Duke University, another school known for academics as well as athletics, incoming freshman male athletes had a 3.46 GPA and an SAT of 1,103, while females had a 3.51 grade-point and a 1,090 test score.”

Those standardized test scores are extremely low, even for the standards back then.

I think that’s pretty obvious when going through the
Recruiting process

Exactly. 1300 gets you into ivy school with lax. 1300
Without lax don’t even apply to an ivy.

Current PLL great Zed Williams and also a UVA grad has talked openly about how he didnt have the grades to get into UVA without lax. The former UVA coach Dom Starsia noted that Zed had a weak academic background and would have to work extra hard to survive at UVA. To Zed's credit he spent the extra time in the classroom even though he had less time to devote to lax. If you are a great player the best schools will help you.

Ivy League schools went test optional last year. I’m pretty sure that HS 2022 recruits to those schools didn’t have to submit test scores to their respective admissions office.

What does that mean? Time of their lives? Why? The vast majority of players on D-1 rosters in any sport are bench warmers. Their “time of their lives” is practice. Not sure but I will almost guarantee you not only never played collegiate athletics, probably never played a sport period.

A kids game for the so-called privileged. Careless about their family or kid does in HS and/or college.

You people think you need a certain grade (which of course is lower) for an athlete. It is lower, but it depends on how good you are at your position. If you are one of the best, your scores do NOT matter. And that is a fact

“ You never think about not playing. You just don’t think about that. But if you do you are a looser. “ - Jermaine O’Neil. I say good for those kids who choose to play division one lacrosse. The least successful people in this world are the ones who make safe choices and avoid doing hard things because of fear of failure. If you fear division one because you will not play then make the safe choice and play Division III. If you don’t fear you won’t play then try and play division one. Never let fear of failure dictate your decision.

Okay Tony Robbins, dork,dork dork!

Ok, so let’s look at the logic. 73 schools, of which the top 25 are at a whole different level. So for attack, mid, d, there will be 2 recruits for each position on average. So if you aren’t in the top 50 in your position, and not given an opportunity to go to one of these schools, do you go D1, because it is D1, or do you pick the best academic program, and have a shot At playing for a championship run?

Many 2021 and 22 players who I know who couldn’t break the top 25, decided to go option 2. My son had D1 offers but a few at that 25 mark, but he didn’t see himself at those schools. It’s lacrosse. They will play for 4 years and get a job. There is no money to go pro, so pick the best school. The first showcase we went to Desko told the boys to pick a school like any other student would. Find a school that you like first, and lacrosse second. Outside of the elite players, I think this is solid advice.

Hey Stunad. Several All County players aren’t going D1 from the 2021 class. They lost their junior year to prove themselves. Go back in your hole.

Wow. I guess someone said something to hurt your feelings.