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Has nothing to do with Grandma, it is a consistent pattern across all sports, boys and girls. If they don’t deserve it, they don’t deserve it. If they do deserve it, they should not be discriminated against based on age, grade or what school they go to….there are multiple 9th and 10th graders across all sports that have been deserving.

"Stats Don't lie" , They do when or if the top point getter is getting them against a Jr high school team. please stop with the newsday stats. when a team gets credited with more assist then goals (happens many times) the stats start to lose credibility.

Agree 100 % but newsday stats are a terrible indicator as to Who the best players on LI are

And if those 9th and 10th graders are consistent all 4 years they will make these lists in Junior and Senior years..

Not just one, but many of these players were not even the best players on their own team. Not sure if that is funny or sad. When you watch many of these different teams and these players all year long, you know which players deserve and which players don't. Then this list just leaves everyone in the know, scratching their heads on many of the selections. The politics of LI lacrosse, it will never change.

That's your opinion

Guess you have to be on a playoff team to get picked.
Ridiculous that so many players from teams that don’t make playoffs are left off list.

We all know the padding of the stats as well as players and coaches running up the score on weak teams by keeping starters in the whole game or going to goal every time.What gets me is how can teams be awarded power points in the standings for what it did a season or two ago right before the playoff brackets come out.It’s shady business and points should be awarded at the beginning of the season so everybody in the division knows the deal.
If I’m not mistaken is lax the only sport that does this.Makes zero sense to give points from a previous season and why don’t everybody play each other during the year so head to head actually means something as a criteria for seeding.

It's a FACT, and it's not even close. EVERYONE knows it. Just embarrassing for the sport!

Absolutely horrible! Several of the chosen girls were out half the season with injuries, and when they returned, they didn't do much. Sick of the participation trophies for seniors. Earn it get it. Most of these girls will disappear college and never be heard from again, weak class. Shame on Newsday!

THIS. So much. I know a girl in MD (my state) that got 13 goals in one game purely so they could make sure she reached 200 for her career because their next game in the playoffs was against a quality team that could (and did) crush them. It happens everywhere.

Stats are a big part of the story, but not all of it. People pay way too much attention to numbers that can easily be fudged.

When I said Stats don’t lie, I meant against quality teams. Otherwise Center Moriches girls would have been All-LI. I was more referring to stats against your own teammates

Well I guess Grandma has a direct line to the Newsday editors office… your leading scorer “flopped” from team 2 to team 1…

How about those All-American Awards! Strange that you can be on All-LI, but not be an All-American? Great job Newsday!

Newsday is an embarrassment! They should go by the post season awards, not some random list they pull out of their *

How can you not be selected for All-county but be selected to All-long island.

So all this talk about stats are important, stat padding etc...
Stats do not seem to matter at all in the selection of these players. Newsday's Player of the Year did not even finish on the stats list that they keep. The statistics they keep truly are meaningless.

Is there a place to see a list of the AA awards from both Nassau and Suffolk?

All-County is given out/selected by your daughters HS Coach, how your daughter Team finished the season will determine how many selections / nominations your daughters coach gets.

All-Long Island is given out / selected by Newsday.

Lacrosse is not wrestling, tennis or track, these awards are all subjective. These Awards are not solely based on perceived player performance. Opinion and politics also play a role in all of the honors.

Stats absolutely do matter, but so does the team performance. The recipient of the top player was selected for a few reason is my opinion. Her team won the LI Championship, she has mega politics on her side, she is committed to a great school, she was a great player throughout HS, even if this was not her best year, she is a senior. There are a few others that fit most of that criteria, but maybe lack the politics part, such as the Northport girl, who was overall better, but a Jr.

Which makes the Newsday award that much more dubious. If your own coach doesn’t think a player is An All-county player how does Newsday come to conclusion that same player is All-long island player. Appears that if your team didn’t make playoffs you weren’t selected by Newsday. But that’s LI Lax politics. Been that way a long time.

First time I’ve ever seen a complaint lead to a change in the list. What the heck is going on?? Who complained? What is their tie to Newsday? And Newsday wonders why nobody reads their paper anymore. Unbelievable!

You're not paying attention if you think the Northport player is better than the BBP player..

What was changed? Please elaborate.

Girl who was on second team was mysteriously moved to the first team after someone obviously complained.

I was at a tournament last week and over heard some coaches talking about the recent weak tournament performances and lack luster HS seasons from some of their commits. Any current commit should be concerned with that…

Much better...not even close. Only one problem was she is a Jr. Look at the County and LI championship performances, and you will see who showed up

If stats matter, then there were others who outmatched the person going to BC…. Yellow Jackets political connections….

Ugh you just realized that YJ coaches coach various varsity teams on LI and when its time for post season awards they vote for the bee regardless of stats....:

As for the 21 commits go look at all the overhyped YJ commits and who showed up....

You do not hear that! Please stop your nonsense.

I do agree with many 21 yj are overhyped. But they did get into many great schools. So kudos to them. Its nice to have rose back you. I have seen many 21s from clubs like Elevate blue liberty and top guns black our perform yj girls. And unfortunately do get over looked at many events in the past. Rose has juice it is what it is. Meanwhile was told some Elevate girls got all american and none were on all long island. Why because names have definitely been hyped up over the years. That is truth.

Agree 100%. The HS coaches who also coach YJ have created a terrible political and conflict of interest situation which has extended to UA selections, school girls selection, HS County awards etc. 3rd daughter to go thru the process and I think it has gotten worse. The inflated bio’s and overhyped players will continue and realistically I don’t see it changing. Good luck to those HS players going forward. Thankful it’s over.

Still making excuses after all these years as to why your daughter isn't and didn't get looks and offers.... get over it already. Most of the YJ 21's will do just fine in college.

Actually, most will disappear, they were out played by sophomores! Too slow and unmotivated.

Actually I saw a ton of really great 21’s this year. Just the most “pushed” down your throat girls were just that, YJ political players. CR is the most powerful force in girls lacrosse, she has a small handful of girls every year that get her thrust. A few deservedly so, and most not even close. This will go on until other LI clubs can step up politically and strip some power away. Sorry to tell you all this is decades in the making and your “other” club is many years away from getting a fair shake. Call it one of the benefits of playing for YJs. It a huge obstacle for everyone else not on YJs including other YJ players not on her kiss butt list.

Both good players but the best player in Suffolk this year played for West Babylon.

What hurt WB was their weak schedule. Padding stats against mostly low tier teams should not get you any awards. With your line of thought, the CM girls should have gotten some post season accolades too.

Easy to play on good teams surrounded by good players. All of a sudden goals and assists are easier, draw controls easier. How are midfielders/defenders chosen for their defensive abilities when their teams play zone? Try playing on lower tier teams that dont have good players. Try playing for non YJ coaches who have no political influence. In addition if your team isnt in playoffs never mind win counties or LIC you have no chance for selection.

Actually, while an outstanding athlete, the WB Soph was completely shut down by BBP middies without face guarding. She is great, but against great players looked pedestrian.

She killed West Babylon! One man show. Shooting from the 12. Selfish, forcing shots, flopping, frustrates easily. Yells at her teammates.
The BBP girl dominates on the draw, plays great defense, passes when she is doubled, scores when she’s not, works her butt off on ground balls, a motivator, a true leader.
BBP was a complete team. West Babylon was a one man show!