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True. Elevate will get a couple from each grade

It's a shame that UA has apparently let the selection process slip on Long Island. Although there have always been complaints UA did an excellent job up until last year. Under Armour has been the premier HS event and it has always been the most competitive tournament.

We will see on September 1st who the college coaches believe the best players to be. From what I have witnessed over the years there will be 40 - 50 players that just about all of the Top Programs will focus on. No program gets "all" of they players they want so once the dust settles and the top players are off the board the college coaches look at which players are still out there and the process begins again.... after a bunch of the next tier players commit the coaches go back to the drawing board and the process begins again ... it repeats until the coaches fill all of their spots...

The "Recruiting Process" is a telling as well as stressful time (I have been through it multiple times). Good luck to all and try to enjoy the ride....

Good until they ran into a bunch of Grizzlies from CT

ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON

You should not have a dad coach period. look what happened last year It invalidates the whole thing.. imo

You are absolutely correct. There will always be complaints and there will always be some “politics” but there should never be a parent of a player who is competing involved in the selection process or coaching.

Nonsense. One post complains CR has an advanced list and therefore invalid, and another screams about daddy coaching and therefore invalid. Wherever your kid can play is the place to be.

so you would want a dad coach picking his own kid and then coaching the team? that is the most ridiculous thing ever. I agree play lacrosse but this is not a town team... so lets not have a dad pick his kid and her friends for a national team

Under Armour will actually not be the top tournamnet. You will see once the rosters are set that is not going to be the case. Many of the UA kids from last year have made the switch. MANY NOT ALL. There will be more talent at the American Select. I am not speculating at all here and and all I ask is that you wait for the rosters to drop and then comment. I think the UA will be good as well but not as well attended by the top players as the Ameican Select. Many of the UA gilrs from Baltimore,Conny & the South have already made the switch and now from what I am hearing many from Long Island will be heading to Delaware. Some of the AS rosters are up and if you know which kids are which, you will see what I am saying. You will have a few of the top girls still headed to UA because of fear of changing and they like the way that the UA name looks on the resume but I would bet that the LI American Select team would beat the UA Team once set. The again the UA Long Island team was a hot dumpster fire last year and its no wonder why some would change. Either way none of the kids will be wrong for choosing either one. If your kids made either team, that is a good problem to have. Good Luck to all

Anyone hear that AS having 2 Long Island teams for some ages?? Beyond ridiculous if that is the case. $$$$ grab.
I would think the top girls would do UA; still prestigious and many unknowns in first year of AS,,,, one known is it’s $800 all in for AS and UA is free when you make the team. obv tryout fee but free after it.
2 2024 teams for AS if true would be a debacle dictated by $$$

It really is a shame that all of this is happening. UA has been a fantastic event for many years, yes there have always been complaints but most of the complaints have simply been sour grapes.

Again!! Look at the facts…15 YJ and 5 jesters last year! Duhh..

UA needs to fix the way they do tryouts and get some unbiased “evaluators” to evaluate

For what it is worth, my oldest went to the Tryouts back in 2015. There were no YJ Coaches or evaluators, 14 of the 24 players selected to the team were Yellow Jackets, 4 Top Guns, and I believe Elevate and Liberty each had 3 players selected.

People still complained...

Exactly, people are never happy. Kids should have
tried out for AS. Some have more than one team per age group. So that was very exclusive. Everyone got a trophy

Yes its always been dominated by certain clubs, and people will always complain about something but having a father of one of the players be the evaluator and coach isn't the way to go if you want to be recognized as a top event. Its a conflict of interest. It doesn't bode well for credibility. So we already know there are at least 3-4 less spots than should be.

Agree, parental involvement has to end!

The website says the dad coach has the younger Command team. The jesters team he coaches and his daughter is Highlite team age. Boring subject.move on.
Are the rosters out yet from AS?

Under Armour total fee is $145 - $170 depending on when you registered ahead of the tryout. American Select is $720 if you make the team. Having seen the tryout process where I live, American Select was run just like Under Armour, the coaches for the event were from just two clubs and they were right in the middle of the selection process with the other evaluators and the teams are full of their kids. Those same coaches were actively recruiting kids to come play for their club during tryouts. Just watered down competition now with both events on the same weekend. Some of the American Select games will be incredibly lopsided when the top teams play other less developed regions that drew from a much smaller tryout area than Under Armour.

You really don’t think his Jesters comrade won’t be selecting his daughter and her buddies?? Also have to wonder how many Elevate girls who would have had no shot wind up on the roster. UA should do like AS, and have unbiased college coaches select the teams. Enough with the daddy and mommy club coaches. What a joke!

Ok, so I just noticed on the AS website that there will be two teams. I am kind of upset about this, and wish I knew before I paid $620. What a bait and switch. Does anyone know if the teams will be "A" and "B", or will they be mixed evenly? Guess we will find out soon when the rosters are posted. What a bunch of money grabbers! Looks like everyone is getting a trophy, and CR another big fat paycheck! Anyone else have thoughts on this?

It also specifically states on their website that there will be one team per grade. LI is the only region that did this, probably because there weren't
enough to make a second team. Take a screenshot and dispute the charge if not happy. Misrepresentation. This is getting interesting!

Yes, agree! What are the two teams all about

honestly I think it good A lot of college coaches in attendance at AS. Should be good whatever team your on.

How about answer the questions? Why on Earth are there two team besides the fact that directors are greedy. So, why was there a tryout if everyone made the team?? They should have been upfront about this from the beginning. Fish rots from the head down

Too bad, Under Armour had a good thing going (should never have allowed a parent to be involved). UA underclass was an excellent event, yes there were always a some deserving players who were not selected but overall they did an excellent job and the tournament was extremely competitive (by far the most competitive HS event). If AS is doing two teams per grade and UA is run at the same time everything will be watered down.

Everyone who tried out did not make the team(s)

I think because they couldn’t form a team in the 2022 age group. So they made 2 teams to make up for it.

They have 2 teams for 23,24 and 25. Ridiculous! This was advertised as a single select team per age group. What changed?

They made 2 teams at the 24 and 25's as well, not just the 23's

what changed is that the directors know that enough parents will pay for an "Elite Team" lol

Here we go with this again, I liked the earlier comment...... SOUR GRAPES.
Name one girl that should not have been on that team...... I’LL WAIT

Your missing the point Mr sour grapes. It’s not who’s deserving or not! It’s about the process and politics of team selection. If you can’t see that then you must be drinking that spiked cool aid!

Here we go with this again, I liked the earlier comment...... SOUR GRAPES.
Name one girl that should not have been on that team...... I’LL WAIT

YJ has 15 UA girls, Top Guns beat them. Jesters have 5 UA girls, Top Guns beat them. Top Guns had 1 girl make UA and many didn't make the call back game. Top Guns are currently ranked the #2 team in the country. The only explanation for this is Top Guns has the best coach in the age group. He's doing a lot more with less.

Would love to...but not allowed to on this site. But plenty people I know have shaken their head at disbelief over the selections. If the team was actually chosen with the top girls, and daddy coaches didn't play their daughters over better girls, maybe LI would win the tournament. No sour grapes, just facts, and you will be waiting along time if you think it will be any different this year!

Heard there is an A team and B team. The Back team has all the better girls on it.

Not sure if that’s an accurate assessment. I see girls on “black” team that didn’t make cut first round of emails.

There are only 16 girls on the Red team, but 22 on the Black. The girls who stood out at the tryout, and top players on their travel teams are all on the Black team, seems like a solid team.

Seems like they mixed up a few girls that were supposed to be on the red team. Like 3 or 4… I’m sure they will adjust the lineups to equal them out.

There is realy no justification for this even considering that this is a recruitment year and low 22 turnout. What made these tornaments special was the fact that it was supposed to be hard to make Thats what the call back academy was created for. Every program in the US is having trouble fielding a 22's so why not have this for every state ?. They have hung All American tags on kids that barlely contributed if at all for their high schools. Im talking kids with single digits in a 16 game season. Now I wont deny that that the UA was 95%-99% predetermined but MAYBE many of the ordained kids didnt make AS originally because non biased 3rd party evaluators were involved, weather or whatever excuse they will make. There had to be calls made after that AS tryout due to not getting an early email. Thats why the rosters seems to be blended with a mash up of very good players and very mediocre kids. As for the UA, the good news is that they may have a shot this year of winning. One of the teams in the UA finals last year has less that 3 kids from last years team and the other team that won has ZERO returning to UA. They all went to AS. The good news for the AS folks is that you chose the tournament that is much closer with much better overall talent which will bring more eyeballs On the downside for the AS folks is that the team that won last year's UA is fully in tact in that tournament. So the average kids that made these teams will get exposed while the kids that deserved it will have to kill themselves trying to keep them in it. This whole thing has now become lacrosse welfare.