Use this thread to discuss lacrosse for the 2023 Graduating Girls (10th Graders) for the Fall 2020/Summer 2021 Season.

UA. They took your money. Told you so 🤣

Just like WPLL

WPLL was a virtual tryout. UA had tryouts and the girls will play games. Just because it is regional and not the format it was in years past does not take away the fact that girls earned their spots through a tryout process. Stop whining, the other tryouts will happen.

Yup! This years “event” has turned into a money grab. No thank you!

I learned from another dad years ago, pay the walkup. Whatever it is, pay it. Your kid is sick, you don't go. They cancel, you don't have to fight for your money back. Pay the walk up and don't give them your money until you get there.

We went to the Warrior All-America BS tryout a few years ago - looked at the kids on the field, they were not even close to "elite" as the marketing hype had portrayed, got back in the car, and drove away.

Pay the walkup and dodge the money grabs. I hope this helps someone else as much as it's helped us.

Legacy on their way to another summer tournament as YJ and TG stay home. I would hope both clubs offered refunds for the tournaments that players were promised and didn’t get any. Oh well I guess you can hope your clubs do something in the fall.

YJ and TG are following state guidelines that restricts travel for youth sports. Legacy is not. It’s really quite simple.

Enjoy the long drive. It will give you plenty of time to obsess over what TG and YJ are doing. While I’m sitting on the beach later, I won’t be thinking about Legacy at all.

Thought enough to reply though...

Legacy coming home after doing what YJ couldn’t do beat Jesters. We’ll enjoy the ride home and you enjoy your scrimmages this week if you have any.

Just wondering if this is a teenage girl or a parent?

Legacy beats jesters easily! Was up 5-1 at the half and won 7-4..

Unbiased parent here who went to watch the game to see what all the Jesters “hoopla” was. Both teams are very talented, field conditions horrible, and it was well officiated. Jesters was within one goal and scored, but the player clearly ran through the goal circle and it didn’t count.

It was closer than what this post states. Both coaches are over the top with challenging the officiating. In fact, the worst I’ve seen by coaches.

Focal score was 7-5. That goal that was called back would have made it a 1 goal game with 4 mins to go. Let’s play again under better Conditions. Great match up. Legacy fought hard to keep that lead entire second half.

No excuses.. wasn’t close! Jesters stayed would beat legacy easily and it didn’t happen.

I have to laugh at the "unbiased parent" here who went to watch the game in the cornfields of Pennsylvania. LMAO. I am a Legacy parent and i'm not embarrassed to say it. First of all the fact that you say we beat Jesters easily is just not factual. Yes they got off to a slow start but in the second half if you can't be honest that you weren't nervous like I was then your only fooling yourself cause I felt like we escaped with that win. Second of all the final score was a misprint and it was 7-5 and that's with the 2 goals they took off the board for Jesters so luckily for us it worked in our favor. Lastly, that jester team is very good so hats off to them. My daughter got in the car and said "Mom, we got lucky cause they were coming back" Sorry, just speaking the truth. Don't believe me watch the game film because we are all getting it All in all good day of lacrosse, not looking forward to playing Jesters again cause they scare me...… jus sayen

The unbiased parent is me and I went to watch the game as I’m a fan of good lacrosse and this was good lacrosse. My daughter played 2 fields down directly after “dufus”! You need to read my post more closely “fool”! I said the game was much closer than the score. The 2 scores were taken off for clear violations, which can easily be seen on the “game film”!

You’re a Jesters parent “posing” as a Legacy parent! That is completely obvious. Both coaches, while knowledgable, are stunads!

You’re a clown and not a Legacy parent. Jesters played great. The conditions stunk. They were dangerous and I’m glad no one was hurt. Still Jesters played hard and I give them full credit. But at no point, none, was there any question about the outcome of that game.

Final score was 7-5. Jesters started slow and were down 5-1 at half on a sloppy muddy field. Jesters seem to make an adjustment and they were a different team second half. Came storming back and dominated second half but came up short. They cut the lead to 1 goal with @ 4 min left on a beautiful transition goal that was called back because player stepped in crease. That was the second goal Jesters had taken off the board. Was a great game with two great teams. Pretty to watch. Would love to see these two teams go at it again on a dry field in better conditions.

[quote=Anonymous]Final score was 7-5. Jesters started slow and were down 5-1 at half on a sloppy muddy field. Jesters seem to make an adjustment and they were a different team second half. Came storming back and dominated second half but came up short. They cut the lead to 1 goal with @ 4 min left on a beautiful transition goal that was called back because player stepped in crease. That was the second goal Jesters had taken off the board. Was a great game with two great teams. Pretty to watch. Would love to see these two teams go at it again on a dry field in better conditions.

Let’s have the rematch on Long Island.

Let’s have the rematch on Long Island.[/quote]

Now that we have 4 legit teams on Long Island. Wouldn’t a local round robin be great! For the life of me I don’t understand why that doesn’t happen.

You're living in a fantasy world that does not involve girls lacrosse rules. Legacy also had a goal clawed back for shooting space. That's the rules. Deal with it. Do we add that phantom goal for Legacy to the fantasy score? Or how about the goal when the Legacy goalie slipped and fell in the mud after making the save when the ball slowly rolled in the cage while she was face planted in the muck? Do we take that goal back because the goalie was playing in a swamp? No, we deal with it. The ball rolled in, it's a goal. That's the rules.

But if we fix all the imaginary problems snowflake, equally on both sides, we still come up with a score of 8-6. Same outcome. Jesters lose by two. Get over it and stop wishing the score to what it wasn't. You're dragging down your daughter's team and looking like a classless sore lost.

It was 5-2 at the half. Excellent game.

A parent talked about game film earlier. I wonder if the film caught the cheap shot of the Jesters player “clockin’” the Legacy player in the head outside of the officials view. We heard it on the sideline. That’s some “bush league” behavior!

The question is who is going to leave the Dumpster Fire of Torched Talent or the Clowns with Clubs Show to go to a real team?

parent living through his/her kid
no one cares about legacy. except the dad that pulled over on the highway to comment. dud

Lol

Just remember this - college coaches need team players. If YJ Thorn was a team, they might be amazing. They're not. They're 12 individuals on the field at the same time. Even Carol Rose's legendary connections might not fix that mess when it comes to recruiting.

Also, we all know CR does her very best to avoid the embarrassment that the Thorn team is capable of. She's been doing it for 5 years. That's why you're always in a weak bracket. She probably didn't take Jesters seriously, and the joke is on her (pun intended). You'll never play TG or Legacy. Ever. The potential loss is bad for business and we've all seen how good YJ Thorn is at losing. CR knows it and so do you. So, you can stop the "let's play on LI" junk. It will never ever happen. Just understand you're the team dragging down the brand and you should make as little noise as possible.

It was a scrappy game all around, I think both teams got there fair share of cheap shots at each other. It was a very competitve hard fought game.

if legacy beat jesters imagine what they would do to YJ

Would anyone really change clubs at this point? I hear lots of movement happening all over

No one is losing sleep over Legacy. No one. Go back to washing your truck.

Funny how the wack clubs keeping comparing themselves to YJ and TG. They obsess about what TG and YJ are doing this summer yet no one cares what they are doing because they are irrelevant in the bigger picture. Disobeying laws and mandates is the cool thing to do now. Main reason US is where it is today.

Since you seem to be the only one that doesn’t get it. It is the comments of Talent to Torch, best 23 team on the island that drive the YJ comments. Also please do not put YJ in the same sentence at TG. TG is clearly the top team on the island, YJ would have to beat them at least once.

YJ can't beat Top Guns Best team by far on LI YJ 2023 disaster

YJ 2023 isn't a disaster. I shouldn't waste my time responding to this but I just did.

At this point in the game the top 4 on Long Island looks like:

1) TG
2) Legacy
3) Jesters
4) YJ Torched

Legacy is best team in the 23 age group. They quietly snuck up on TG because the steve knows how to coach and develop players. Better coach than Andrew.

He is not a better coach. Saw it first hand at Under Armour last year. He's actually a bad coach.

they aren't a bad team just badly managed if you ask me lots of talent on both YJ teams just they can't seem to get it right

not sure why someone hasn't stepped in to fix it at this point too much favoritism they lost a ton of players though the years maybe they just gave up

Steve doesn’t coach the 2023s. And I don’t think we’re better than TG. We could run with them, and stay in the game. Unless the stars aligned perfectly, I don’t think we’d pull off a win. Legacy Blue has only a few studs but they play a good team game. I’m very happy with the program and coaches.

The program of the future is jesters. The 23s are just the beginning. They just added some new great girls directors. Families are going to live playing fir them. They make it fun, very well coached defensively, play everyone equally. Can’t say enough great things. The coaches are actually good people Christina and Colleen.my daughter aged out but if I had younger ones that is where I would go if you are making decisions about your daughter.

[quote=Anonymous]The program of the future is jesters. The 23s are just the beginning. They just added some new great girls directors. Families are going to live playing fir them. They make it fun, very well coached defensively, play everyone equally. Can’t say enough great things. The coaches are actually good people Christina and Colleen.my daughter aged out but if I had younger ones that is where I would go if you are making decisions about your daughter.

C'mon they play everyone "equally" including the Coaches daughter? For someone who their daughter aged out you sure know a lot about the 23 Jesters including how well they are coached defensively. Weird. Jesters cannot get into the big tournaments and beating YJ in one scrimmage doesn't elevate them past the 4th best team on the island.

Heard TGs lost one of there best players to the Jesters. Is that true???

lots of movement again what is with this age group

Heard Jester Director and owner have been working hard all summer to poach players and coaches. Perhaps Jester owner shouldn’t talk so negatively about CR, you never know who is listening.

Very well coached defensively? If that's what you call lumberjacks then okay. And, the coach is a screamer. I'm not paying a coach to scream at my kid, I can do that well enough on my own and for free.

Your kidding right.? CR and Sayville 2026 YJ coach just poached Jesters best player. Parents will fit in perfectly there until they realize she is not best player on new teM.

Players aren’t going to leave TG or YJ to go to jesters. Cmon man. Sorry.

were you at playoff?

No one cares about 2026’s. Get off this thread

Ask 21 black top guns parents if they made out ok. Heard it from one of them the other night. They were very disappointed. You will see. Jesters hired great coaches who have theirown college contacts and want to help girls. No doubts the south shire kids will go. Just check Massapequa. They are looking good.

Soooo, you heard from 1 parent then extrapolated somehow to the 21 Blk parents. Stop the foolishness. Play where your kid wants to play. Don’t support your decision by making up nonsense.

[quote=Anonymous]Ask 21 black top guns parents if they made out ok. Heard it from one of them the other night. They were very disappointed. You will see. Jesters hired great coaches who have theirown college contacts and want to help girls. No doubts the south shire kids will go. Just check Massapequa. They are looking good.

I would like to watch this team play however they don't get into any of the big tournaments. I'm sure CR didn't invite them to Live Love Lax Florida the biggest fall recruiting tournament.

Have to disagree with that, jesters 23 has the best defense on the island by far and that is all about the coaching.

[quote=Anonymous]Have to disagree with that, jesters 23 has the best defense on the island by far and that is all about the coaching.

If YJ and Jesters play again it won't be close and your best defense on the island will be exposed.

I think it will be a great competitive game. The problem with YJ is they are a group of individuals who have talent, they don’t play as a team.
I like your enthusiasm but the fact remains the 23 jesters play great defense hands down!

I’ll give Jesters a best for the draw player only.

Have they played top gun

I think that is what YJ 23 said after they lost to The YJ B team the first time only to lose again.

that goes for both or maybe even all the YJ t2023 teams there is absolutely no team work no chemistry individually all great players as a team its all selfish plan it doesn't work

Honestly, no one cares about YJ except the lunatic YJ parents. They're not worth talking about. They never have been worth talking about. Can we just ignore them already? Maybe they will go away.

Clearly you’ve got some unresolved issues that have you stuck w the mindset of a 13 year old. Good luck w that.

[quote=Anonymous]Honestly, no one cares about YJ except the lunatic YJ parents. They're not worth talking about. They never have been worth talking about. Can we just ignore them already? Maybe they will go away.[/quote


Uhmmmm. Does anyone care about the jesters. NO

that goes for both or maybe even all the YJ t2023 teams there is absolutely no team work no chemistry individually all great players as a team its all selfish plan it doesn't work

25 great players and they still lose games amazing

Jesters just gained one of TGs best players. They will be a force!

Jesters just gained one of TGs best players. They will be a force

They’ll need her to compete with Legacy.

Need to tip the cap to legacy, they beat the jesters in a very good game.
To evenly matched teams.
Would love to see the big four teams play together.
Would be great Lacrosse!

Jesters are offering players and coaches the world to leave their current programs. And the only sell is our 23’s have good defense...hahahah. We will see if they can deliver on all the promises and discounts they gave.

they will have great coaching and no bullsh-t....approachable, honest, and know what they are doing - with there own college contacts already. but if you want the proven recruiting experience then you go to YJ ,,,, and let teh haters detest while you have your daughter taken care of.

[quote=Anonymous]they will have great coaching and no bullsh-t....approachable, honest, and know what they are doing - with there own college contacts already. but if you want the proven recruiting experience then you go to YJ ,,,, and let teh haters detest while you have your daughter taken care of.

Proven college contacts? Where is the list of college commits?
Oh that’s right they don’t have any.

[quote=Anonymous]Jesters are offering players and coaches the world to leave their current programs. And the only sell is our 23’s have good defense...hahahah. We will see if they can deliver on all the promises and discounts they gave.

If by offering the word you mean playing for a Massapequa town team run by a daddy coach it’s not a world I’d be looking for. CR has a proven track record and YJ will have the most UA players period end of story.

Don’t recall the YJ Director ever putting together a rogue team in an attempt to draw players over. And the Jester’s are calling themselves honest........

Did you just admit that your YJ A team got beat by a town team? To get beat by your own B team Twice, Heroes B Team, some team from Georgia, and a town team? I thought things were supposed to get better with the merge not worse.

You have zero idea what you are talking about. “Since merger” YJ played in 2 tournaments. Both last fall and beat all teams and tied Grizzlies. That is it as far a Games. Period.

A scrimmage where Jesters “won” has been followed by multiple scrimmages where this team has NOT “lost”. This thread posing Legacy & Jesters as the teams to beat is ridiculous. Trying to point out false results is lame. Pointing out results from 4th & 5th grade “losing” to the B team, is a joke.

MYou went to a C team that has worked its way to a Tie of Igloo a year ago the 1st game of season (your biggest game up to there), a win over a shell of M&D this year (no way real M&D loses 2 games in a tourney to your level of team), a tie to Grizzlies (yeah) and a sloppy win over Jesters in the Mud.
We have won last 2 Nationals, beat M&D, Heroes Green, Skywalkers, MD United, Grizzlies, Monsters, Ultimate, etc. etc. etc. What have You really done? Nothing!
Oh yeah, not to mention, only 4 on LI to make US combine, 2 making team-YJ. Featured 2023 stand outs in last year’s UA game coached by Levy, 2 YJ & 1 Grizzlies. You have NOTHING. Always been B+.

[quote=Anonymous]You have zero idea what you are talking about. “Since merger” YJ played in 2 tournaments. Both last fall and beat all teams and tied Grizzlies. That is it as far a Games. Period.

A scrimmage where Jesters “won” has been followed by multiple scrimmages where this team has NOT “lost”. This thread posing Legacy & Jesters as the teams to beat is ridiculous. Trying to point out false results is lame. Pointing out results from 4th & 5th grade “losing” to the B team, is a joke.

MYou went to a C team that has worked its way to a Tie of Igloo a year ago the 1st game of season (your biggest game up to there), a win over a shell of M&D this year (no way real M&D loses 2 games in a tourney to your level of team), a tie to Grizzlies (yeah) and a sloppy win over Jesters in the Mud.
We have won last 2 Nationals, beat M&D, Heroes Green, Skywalkers, MD United, Grizzlies, Monsters, Ultimate, etc. etc. etc. What have You really done? Nothing!
Oh yeah, not to mention, only 4 on LI to make US combine, 2 making team-YJ. Featured 2023 stand outs in last year’s UA game coached by Levy, 2 YJ & 1 Grizzlies. You have NOTHING. Always been B+.

Legacy beat Jesters. You didn't. When you beat the Jesters you can post again.

[quote=Anonymous]You have zero idea what you are talking about. “Since merger” YJ played in 2 tournaments. Both last fall and beat all teams and tied Grizzlies. That is it as far a Games. Period.

A scrimmage where Jesters “won” has been followed by multiple scrimmages where this team has NOT “lost”. This thread posing Legacy & Jesters as the teams to beat is ridiculous. Trying to point out false results is lame. Pointing out results from 4th & 5th grade “losing” to the B team, is a joke.

MYou went to a C team that has worked its way to a Tie of Igloo a year ago the 1st game of season (your biggest game up to there), a win over a shell of M&D this year (no way real M&D loses 2 games in a tourney to your level of team), a tie to Grizzlies (yeah) and a sloppy win over Jesters in the Mud.
We have won last 2 Nationals, beat M&D, Heroes Green, Skywalkers, MD United, Grizzlies, Monsters, Ultimate, etc. etc. etc. What have You really done? Nothing!
Oh yeah, not to mention, only 4 on LI to make US combine, 2 making team-YJ. Featured 2023 stand outs in last year’s UA game coached by Levy, 2 YJ & 1 Grizzlies. You have NOTHING. Always been B+.

Did all those featured superstars play against Jesters?

That's kinda creepy that you as a YJ parent have all these stats on a team your daughter doesn't play for. Creepy and self concious. If you know your daughters team is the best, why all the stats? Unless, you don't really know and are trying to convince yourself or others. We know the truth YJ Torched Dumpsterfire. It's okay, you have nice headbands with little bees on them. That has to count for something.

They won the "Nationals" and are bragging about the weakest tournament like it means something? HAhahahah

Refresh everyone of your list? What has your team actually done?

is it just me or were th old 2020 Buthead parents have 23s. these same fools with daughters who are just not that good,, please get a life and stop living through your 4ft 11inch daughter.

Virginia added to the quarantine list. UA is going to have to get a new location for the tournament.

How do you expect them to make that change? Can't imagine the location will change considering it's this weekend.

[quote=Anonymous]How do you expect them to make that change? Can't imagine the location will change considering it's this weekend.

I doubt people are willing to quarantine for 2 weeks for a lax tournament. If you don’t quarantine it’s a hefty fine.

Rule is in the state for excess of 24 hours

Thats not what the rule states. Rule pertains to travel through a state such as stopping for gas, air, train or bus layovers. Not going to a field for for 8 hours to play lacrosse.

Oh the jealousy has started again. Hope little Becky is having fun at soccer practice!

Considering parents believe playing in this justifies their daughter as a player (which it does not), parents will 100% NOT cancel.

Legacy with a very tough Primetime schedule the YJ not so much.

still sour about UA tryouts?

still sour about UA tryouts?

Just stating a fact

What I do know is that every college coach in America will watch the film of these games.

Read this from NY State Website
What if I was just passing through an affected state?

The quarantine only applies to travelers who spent more than 24 hours in a state on the list of restricted places.

sorry in the universe

looks that way. I am sure it will rectified. prob got blue and gold mixed up.

to see that and then post about does make you sound about UA. I am sure you will be one of the many rooting against LI Saturday so you can say SEEEEEE. BTW there is a Legacy girl on the team

The "Quote" button and complete sentences would help you get your point across.

That may be true for the Highlight, which is televised, As for 2023s, what they do next spring/summer will determined their recruiting potential.

UA does NOT determine their recruiting potential. There are PLENTY of 22's that have already been recruited to D1 and NEVER played in the UA. I can't wrap my head around the fact that parents/players think this is the "end all"...the players that get selected are hand picked by the coaches that coach their Clubs/High school teams. IT IS OBVIOUS and no arguing it...period
Their recruiting potential is going to the college camps which HOPEFULLY will eventually pick back up

LI doubled down by Conn (Grizzlies) What happened to all the superstars? Surprised they made it that far scraping by with one goal games. Embarrassing! Bright side is that they don't have to endure a beatdown by Maryland! This is what happens when politics picks teams!

I hope the girls from LI quarantine for 14 days when they return.

Some of them should quarantine from lacrosse for good! #didnothing

still sour about UA tryouts?

LMAO. Nope not sour. Dad coach with the family and friends politics couldn't get it done. What a shock.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.... enjoy your loooooong ride home!

you are a clown.
Who wasn’t on the team that deserved to be???
They won the North Regional and lost in the semis in the national championships. Not acceptable for LI but what can you do?? they lost. so now we sit back and call it politics. i saw the roster and they are same girls that are the best players on their HS and travel teams.
guess your kid got cut

In and out in 24 hours you sour jealous POS. No worries our girls will be in school Monday. All rules followed

Too bad they couldn't have had the real coaches, would have been a different story. Jester failure.

you are a clown.
Who wasn’t on the team that deserved to be???
They won the North Regional and lost in the semis in the national championships. Not acceptable for LI but what can you do?? they lost. so now we sit back and call it politics. i saw the roster and they are same girls that are the best players on their HS and travel teams.
guess your kid got cut

It was politics there is no way a Long Island team with all their talent wins 1 goal games against New England and Upsate and then gets smoked by Connecticut. A Dad coach picks 5 Jesters ( 3 who were not on varsity) and Thorn picks 15 YJ not all on the A team. If you think the top players are only on YJ and Jesters you are mistaken and the results speak for themselves.

[quote=Anonymous]Too bad they couldn't have had the real coaches, would have been a different story. Jester failure.

Gee I wonder why. You put the Jesters Dad coach who has zero lax background in charge. He selects his daughter and her friends onto the team and he can’t coach at all. With all the lax talent on Long Island it should have been an easy win.

It was also very telling by looking at the stats provided on TM. The way I look at it...if you are chosen for a select team like UA as a Middie or Attack, and you don’t dish out any goals or assists over 3 games, you don’t belong on the team because you’re not doing your job. If I were a college coach, those girls would be scratched off my list. I wish they also gave the turnover stat...I’m sure that would be interesting as well. I agree with the previous poster that many constantly top players from other teams were snubbed and this Team LI Command was out of their league. A shame

stats provided on TM???? where do you see stats?? did any of “stars” shine or just a total lack of production?

TG handled Grizzlies in the past...Just saying!

they list personal stats on TM!? post if you have please

Yes, go ont TM on your home computer, not app. They are listed after every game on the right (orange box)

Shame
On corrigan sports. That’s who to blame. They were bullied to who makes team. The take away is this is not legit.. I wouldn’t even let my kid try out as we were told there were only 3 spots open and the team was already made. Don’t waste your money on this garbage. Go to the camps.

Very inconsistent. Many of the "top" girls were just average. I think the most any had in a game was 2 goals/2 assists. Many went scoreless for some games, or got 1 point. The majority of the girls got no points at alI. Can't say I'm that surprised!

Very inconsistent. Many of the "top" girls were just average. I think the most any had in a game was 2 goals/2 assists. Many went scoreless for some games, or got 1 point. The majority of the girls got no points at alI. Can't say I'm that surprised![/quote

Not even one LI girl is listed as a tournament stat leader! Hmmm??

What’s TM?

Surprised about what?? I just looked it up, leading scorers weren't much of a surprise to me; both kids been starting and scoring consistently on varsity since 7th grade(WB and LB). the other top players had a couple of goals but maybe the shots didn't fall, one day tourney, could be lots of factors, but if you seen those girls play you know they are the top players around. think the blame shouldn't be on the players so much, they didn't pick the team.

who claims there were only 3 spots available. top scorers were both on team last year.
Maybe when your team plays FLG or TG purple, your Superstar kid scores 5 goals, but when you play the best plays from all over the country it's not as easy to have 2 goals in a game. stop with the nonsense here......maybe some of the middies you expected to score had different roles.
I am sure if the tryout wasn't political your kid would have been on the team and scoring 3 a game. life isn't fair. BTW the coaches daughter is very good and deserved to be on that team!

https://admin.tourneymachine.com/Pu...ivision=h20200929200223898abe2e44a672d4f

Typical excuses...funny that girls on other teams were able to score more than two goals a game? Maybe LI girls just not that good. Not one was a stat leader

Wow. Just got on and see the douchbags are already feasting! If I get this straight-———-someone, who’s precious did not make the team, was at home-going “On their laptop-Not their phone” and trolling stats and taking some pleasure in not seeing strong ones! Just unreal.
That is what You did on your Saturday, even for a minute is beyond pathetic. No wonder precious didn’t make it.

No one gives a F__k about Legacy. And TG- YJ has handled Grizzlies as well.

This was a draw issue and losing 7 out of 10 at best is no way for any team of any talent level to Win. The breakdown started There and followed everywhere. It stunk! There. Done!

It is Sunday-get on with having a life.

What’s more pathetic is that girls chosen due to politics did nothing and the team struggled, blaming it on draws is a lame excuse as well. A good defense can overcome that. Yes, I checked tourney machine in between doing other computer work. So what. After yet another poor showing, let’s hope they get it right next summer!

What a IAmInsecure, all because little Becky wasn’t good enough.... lost like your kid!

Not for nothing but if you are really trolling other girls. You need a life. This stuff is that important to you? Cmon your a parent and an adult. Get a life.

A parent and an adult who has invested $$$1000s into youth lacrosse. Yes, I know it's not always fair, but this was a glaring example of abuse of power. You really don't think people were interested in the outcome of this event? Or are you just embarrassed that the stats were released and little Karen was exposed? And yes! this stuff is very important to me. If the information is put out there, and people want to see the disaster, that's not trolling, thats being aware of what's going on. Sorry you had a rough time in VA!

Final score doesn’t tell the whole story. CONNY was up 9-0 at half. Complete domination in every part of the game. LI goals were all garbage time.

The team struggled cause CR let the Jesters Dad coach get involved so he can ensure his Jester players would make the team. He then looked overwhelmed coaching and all but one of his players struggled.

another poor showing???
last year they went 5-0 and blew everyone out and lost in finals to a close battle with Baltimore. last year they cried about politics too.
maybe your daughter just ain’t that good. it’s okay. But the fact is this; i am not a coach but i still am trying to figure out who the studs are that didn’t make the team. please name me one girl that wasn’t on the team that would have made a difference??? i will wait. until then stfu

Not nearly as sorry as little Becky sitting home because she was cut for not being good enough!

Lol, maybe 2023 has no studs if that was the best team they could pick? Or maybe some new blood deserves a chance since your daughter clearly did nothing. Pathetic. How was the drive home lost?

What players struggled, just curious on this one???????

The majority of the team struggled. A couple girls had good moments, but no consistency. Most of the middies and attack didn’t register even one point. Goalies not making saves, and too many draws lost. That’s a big problem. Not one LI girl was a tournament stat leader. Disappointing for sure!

Stats are inaccurate. Really now. The teenagers flipping the score cards were asking the players on the sidelines for the scorers / assisters numbers. Game tape out soon. Why don’t you statisticians back up your calling out and actually watch a game and take a count since it’s so Important. Joke

Stats definitely a joke. My niece from NE had stats posted and she wasn’t even there! Several of the original new england girls pulled out a while ago bc of prep school restrictions. They supplemented some spots, but corrigan put all of the original girls on roster in TM and even gave some numbers. Stats posted for kids not there, definitely don’t trust any of them.

[quote=Anonymous]Stats definitely a joke. My niece from NE had stats posted and she wasn’t even there! Several of the original new england girls pulled out a while ago bc of prep school restrictions. They supplemented some spots, but corrigan put all of the original girls on roster in TM and even gave some numbers. Stats posted for kids not there, definitely don’t trust any of them.

Ouch all the top New England girls weren’t even there and Long Island had to overcome a 5 goal deficit to win by 1 goal.

Excuses never stop with you people. Maybe they accidentally gave a goal/assist to the wrong girl. This also happens in HS and college all the time. Doesn’t mean it’s a joke. Next thing you’ll be saying is that LI was actually the winner of the tournament, and that CONN wasn’t really up 9-0 at half time. Those weren’t real goals. Please stop! Best to admit what it was for LI, an expensive waste of time

The wrong kids making undersrmou. Nothin new. Where you been. Theta have been plenty of times when coaches from all clubs and high school teams put their girls on over other girls who played better. College coaches have been smart to this fir a while and doing out much stock whether your in UA or not.

[quote=Anonymous]Excuses never stop with you people. Maybe they accidentally gave a goal/assist to the wrong girl. This also happens in HS and college all the time. Doesn’t mean it’s a joke. Next thing you’ll be saying is that LI was actually the winner of the tournament, and that CONN wasn’t really up 9-0 at half time. Those weren’t real goals. Please stop! Best to admit what it was for LI, an expensive waste of time

Best to say the Jesters Dad coach only concern was to get as many Jesters on the team as possible and Thorn's was as many YJ players regardless if they earned the spots or not and the results speak for themselves.

But their bio’s say they made UA team. The performance of the team is secondary. The LI selection process is a cesspool with only 1 certain person stirring the pot.

Jesters coach had 17 YJ players on the team so what’s your point? That’s the same coach that built Jesters 23 team to be a top team in that class. Jesters also best YJ this summer so why are we bashing the coach. I wish he coached my daughter! I switched over to Jesters for that very reason - my daughter wasn’t getting coached over at YJ. Best move I ever made!!!

It was a complete joke

LOL !! Keep telling yourself that.. the 2023 YJ team which made up most of the UA team is simply toxic. They will never win as a team ever.. They need a complete reset. The parents are negative and the kids have no heart. They are all entitled and they are team mojo killers. They should be embarrassed. The fact that is the YJ 2023 team is damaged goods and when teamed with that stunad loud mouth daddy coach from the jesters its no wonder why this team stunk. They would have lost to their C team. I don't expect that anyone will be buying the game film of that weekend ...lol

You keep talking about all that talent . When does that talent win!! There is always an excuse. Sick of hearing about the talent. So they look awesome in 3 v 3's or 7 v 7's.. Who cares. Let me know when that talent does ANYTHING. They are all too selfish to win anything. Im bored

You lost because you are looking at the wrong stats. You lost because of turn overs, ground ball, draw controls and penalties. This is why Long Island cant get its act together at tournaments. All you are worried about is goals and assist and that how your kids play. You're the type who is happy to lose by 7 goals but as long as your kid has a couple of goals its all good. Learn the game first. DOPE

its ball hog central. no one passes its basically the mantra of the 2023 yj teams. no one is a team player colleges note that and it will all now be on film

I Was there. My daughter made this team of individual beautiful and talented young women. Stop this please. They are all worthy. This coach was on an island with no backup. He probably didn’t know some of their names yet we are condemning him for not taking this group of players all the way? He’s not my cup of tea but he was chosen. Not you. And if coach BT had been there would there likely have been a different outcome ? I don’t think so. They did not play as a unit. These yj girls I know and watched looked as if they just met. There were moments. Let’s not forget the ugly basics- over throwing, missed catches, forcing the pass time and again in front of the crease. The non YJ players contributed as much as the YJ for good and not so good. We all missed draws. We all got a TON of bad calls for good checks. We all got a TON of yellow cards. And had an ejection. Let’s not forget that we played 3 men down for a game. Two very strong Mid lines. 1 was stacked with YJ and 1 not. Legacy and Jesters, what, 3 of them played and all 3 put up stats- game winner goals and assists and as many draw wins as any one did for this team. Which wasn’t many In the semi final. This crying is embarrassing. about what ? Let’s have a redo and have these girls play as a team. With some emotion. As if they wanted to win. That’s the game I want to see. Let’s move on and hope for a spring varsity season that we can watch. Enough

Nice heartfelt response, but it doesn’t negate the mess. I’m still hearing a lot of excuses. YJ has a history if playing thug ball and then whining when called for it. A lot of time, money and emotion wasted for what should have been an amazing experience turned to disappointment and resentment. I agree that there is way to much selfishness and entitlement in this age group between both coaches and players. I’ve seen it since my daughter was in 1st grade hearing YJ family plan yelling go to goal, cliquy parents snubbing their noses as they walked by. Karma coming round. Maybe a good time to reflect

i hear violins ...please stop...people are sick of the excuses, FF plans, daddy coaches, mean girls attiitudes and it continues ....the mess was created a long time ago... this is the result

That Jester dad coach coached my son and one of my two daughters. My son and his friends all played for that Jesters dad coach and went on to be NYS Champions last year (2nd in Massapequa history). That Jester dad coach was completely responsible for their success and my son talks about him on a daily basis. My daughter has played for him for years and now that 2023 Jester team made up of 15 Massapequa girls is a top 2023 team experiencing the same success that my son and his team experienced. He is so committed and is so incredibly knowledgable. I have watched the Jester program grow to 25 teams all because of him. Now he has brought in great people to add to the tremendous success the program already is having. My younger daughter also plays for Jesters and I am watching her grow into a great player. Say what you want but that Jester coach that you call a dad coach knows what he s doing - he has been successful everywhere he has coached from SJB to Massapequa from 1990 till this current day. I will never consider playing anywhere else!!!

I hope he doesn’t put this UA debacle on his resume! Yikes! Only one Jester deserved to be there, and it wasn’t him😳

I’m guessing your princess didn’t make it!!!! Lmfao

I hope he doesn’t put this UA debacle on his resume! Yikes! Only one Jester deserved to be there, and it wasn’t him😳

Absolutely spot on. Jesters are a B level team. There best player is the former TG and its not even close.

Sure it had nothing to do with the skill of those boys or the training they received when they left the jesters/pal dad coach? It's a bit of a stretch to say he was 'completely responsible for their success' in winning a NYS Class A Championship when he hadn't coached any of those boys in over 6 years (some longer). And majority of that state championship team got years of training from not only a strong school program, but numerous travel clubs including 91, Express, LI Tradition/Bluefish, Igloo, Outlaws, True Blue and others.

No...you're right. He is completely responsible.....and such a great role model. Have your kid google him when they get a chance

His UA debacle?! Was he playing?! All you haters commenting on the girls and the coaches, you're a BIG reason your kid didn't make it. For the rest of us, players didn't play as a team. Its that simple. Go to goal, and wanting to be THE highlight reel of the team was a prevalent issue. Maybe it's a sign of the desperate times and kids needing to look like a rock star on film for recruiting. Regardless, no other coach could have made the outcome different, even BT.

Sure it had nothing to do with the skill of those boys or the training they received when they left the jesters/pal dad coach? It's a bit of a stretch to say he was 'completely responsible for their success' in winning a NYS Class A Championship when he hadn't coached any of those boys in over 6 years (some longer). And majority of that state championship team got years of training from not only a strong school program, but numerous travel clubs including 91, Express, LI Tradition/Bluefish, Igloo, Outlaws, True Blue and others.

wait now ... so he is NOT responsible when his teams ARE successful - it's the players, not him. yet he IS responsible when the team is NOT successful, not the players? solid logic

Rather my daughter not make it, than one of the girls who did, but shouldn’t have. You know the ones I’m talking about. The ones who didn’t score one point, turned the ball over, lost draws. Should I go on? Sorry I’m calling out your daughter, but if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem! Maybe she was in a little over her head? It’s what happens when there’s a political agenda. Everyone loses

OK, so the point flew over your head.

Let me slow it down for you. You cannot claim to be 'completely responsible for their success' when he didn't coach any of those players for 6 or more seasons. In case you're still not following, this is in reference to the 2019 Massapequa Boys Varsity NYS Championship team. Jester Dad coach hadn't coached any of those boys since 2013!!

He can be responsible for growth of his club, success or failure of his current teams.....but can't be responsible for somebody else's team/program.

Understand now?

So what’s your real issue? Is it that your kid didn’t make the team? Neither did mine but we both know the Keaters coach didn’t out that roster together. One club controls that and everyone knows it. Is it that the tribe has played together for the summer and fall? You could have put a team together for your daughter too. Mine did! Or is it that you are just miserable and can’t stand to see these girls outside of the traditional clubs have any success? Jesters is a good solid club. There kids are well trained and conditioned and somehow they manage to keep it fun and positive!

I will end that on your daughter didn’t make it lmfao!!!!!!!!!

The jesters coach was an embarrassment. He was SCREAMING at 15 year old girls on top of his lungs at a showcase tournament. He was frustrated because his go to pressure defense got completely torched by the CT team. I'm sure that works when you are playing some Micky Mouse travel clubs, but not when you are playing kids of the caliber of Baltimore and CONNY. Oh and BTW after yelling at the kids all just shut down. He is only interested in his daughter like every other slimy daddy coach on Long Island whether it be from the Jesters or YJ. The words team concept have no place on those teams and until that changes winning at a consistent rate will also have no place on those teams.

Very well said, A complete reset is needed. Stop working on shooting and stick skills and work on their minds. They need to be reprogrammed mentally.

Thank goodness she didn’t who would want to have been a part of that embarrassing mess! I lmfao too, when you got beat down by Grizzlies and then had to drive 8 hours home with a big L on your forehead! Fun times!

You are almost correct here. Yes the screaming was
A little intense and totally inappropriate, but the pressure defense actually worked with Connecticut once they started using it.
Either way not a good look but I feel bad for the girls they worked hard to be there.

[quote=Anonymous]The jesters coach was an embarrassment. He was SCREAMING at 15 year old girls on top of his lungs at a showcase tournament. He was frustrated because his go to pressure defense got completely torched by the CT team. I'm sure that works when you are playing some Micky Mouse travel clubs, but not when you are playing kids of the caliber of Baltimore and CONNY. Oh and BTW after yelling at the kids all just shut down. He is only interested in his daughter like every other slimy daddy coach on Long Island whether it be from the Jesters or YJ. The words team concept have no place on those teams and until that changes winning at a consistent rate will also have no place on those teams.

CR should be embarrassed that she left the Jesters Coach in charge. The guy clearly has no clue and only took the coaching spot so his daughter would make the team.

[quote=Anonymous]The jesters coach was an embarrassment. He was SCREAMING at 15 year old girls on top of his lungs at a showcase tournament. He was frustrated because his go to pressure defense got completely torched by the CT team. I'm sure that works when you are playing some Micky Mouse travel clubs, but not when you are playing kids of the caliber of Baltimore and CONNY. Oh and BTW after yelling at the kids all just shut down. He is only interested in his daughter like every other slimy daddy coach on Long Island whether it be from the Jesters or YJ. The words team concept have no place on those teams and until that changes winning at a consistent rate will also have no place on those teams.

The same Dad Coach was a lunatic when Legacy beat Jesters.

Not fun yes but still part of the show. Probably about as much fun as you driving home from jersey knowing your daughter is garbage!!!!!’

Typically a coach will make an adjustment in a lacrosse game before it get to 9-0. The other team was in basically stall mode and killing clock. basically only taking layups if they were there. Maybe he should have face guarded that one CT girl but why should I second guess the Jesters coach because as I have read here he is awesome. If he didn't know anything about that kid, then he was the only one in the complex who didn't .. Coaches prepare before and during the game. He did neither. The CT team just showed mercy. it was an butt kicking FULL STOP

There is a case this weekend at Cantiague park. Looks like a good deal. Not too $. Maybe good for some film?

So...with all the failures, who will be the UA coaches next summer when it counts? Maybe time for TG coaches to take a stab? Nothing to lose, and it's about time LI brings home a championship! Shannon Smith??

CR should be concerned about why her own team underperformed! Time for a change!

Wait - who is surprised that Becky Thorn wasn't there? Please don't tell me someone was surprised by this. Why would CR care who coaches? Did someone cut her a check? No. Did YJ girls make the team? Yes. So, why should she care? She doesn't care.

The top gun team that literally is afraid to play any other Long Island team????? Who is losing players?????
Yea should be great!

TG coaches selected in past - was 10times worse. completely pushing TG girls. talk about greasin the wheel. TG wrote the book on BS at UA. they re the last guys you want evalauting. look at their 2020 and 2021 teams all the good ones left.

23 TG folks talking to other teams bc TG coaching stinks. TG parents ask about the competition to see if they want to jump. I would take jester directors and Yj coaches any day. wish levy was coaching 23 legacy. if he is look out he is a solid coach. but best coach on LI is Liberty owner. knows how to win but need tough skin.

Who are they afraid to play??? Pretty sure they have beaten all of you clowns! They lost one player, but team is deep and 3 starters will be returning in the spring , so no worries there. As for TG coaching UA, your telling me that these coaches from YJ, Legacy and Jesters have done better after stacking teams with their players??? Nothing less than a championship is acceptable!

The top gun team that literally is afraid to play any other Long Island team????? Who is losing players?????
Yea should be great![

Yes TG are afraid that’s why they are always in the top bracket of every tournament. YJ on the other hand have always ducked competition and Jesters they are a town team. Jesters are in a B bracket at Primetime avoiding competition playing Nems and Aim, lol.

The Big “L” on the forehead had already been taken-by you & your daughter for Not making the team. It must be so frustrating. The girls that made it seem to be at least 7-1 when it comes to their amazing trickery. Yes, seems these Same girls, over & over & over & over again have successfully tricked their youth team coaches into thinking they are elite. Tricked their travel clubs into thinking they are elite. Tricked Your varsity coaches into thinking they are elite. Tricked the Under Armor coaches, including Levy last year (who took only 1 Legacy girl himself) into thinking they are elite. Tricked Newsday, Back of The cage And Inside Lacrosse into thinking they are elite. Only one they couldn’t trick was You- the know nothing, angry, resentful lacrosse parent.
Ride home was great. No lacrosse discussed. Best quality time going to dinner and talking with my daughter is Invaluable. So, if you Never get to experience the Chesapeake Bridge & Tunnel with this daughter of yours....I hope you get to see it in your own life, when you have one, as it is beautiful.
Maybe you can continue to live vicariously through us or one of your other children.

[quote=Anonymous]The Big “L” on the forehead had already been taken-by you & your daughter for Not making the team. It must be so frustrating. The girls that made it seem to be at least 7-1 when it comes to their amazing trickery. Yes, seems these Same girls, over & over & over & over again have successfully tricked their youth team coaches into thinking they are elite. Tricked their travel clubs into thinking they are elite. Tricked Your varsity coaches into thinking they are elite. Tricked the Under Armor coaches, including Levy last year (who took only 1 Legacy girl himself) into thinking they are elite. Tricked Newsday, Back of The cage And Inside Lacrosse into thinking they are elite. Only one they couldn’t trick was You- the know nothing, angry, resentful lacrosse parent.
Ride home was great. No lacrosse discussed. Best quality time going to dinner and talking with my daughter is Invaluable. So, if you Never get to experience the Chesapeake Bridge & Tunnel with this daughter of yours....I hope you get to see it in your own life, when you have one, as it is beautiful.
Maybe you can continue to live vicariously through us or one of your other children.

The only trick here was the Jesters Dad coach tricking you into thinking he knew a thing about lacrosse and got totally outcoached. The results on the field speak for themselves.

Nobody was beating CONNY command team this year, and you can pencil them into the final game again next year at the Highlight level. They have a once a decade type player on the team who can get it done.
The quality of the Baltimore coaches always shines through at these all-star events, they have a nice system, they practice it and all the kids buy in, it can be beaten but it takes a perfect game which are hard to come by.
I watched the UA Highlight final game, LI had 1 coach to Baltimore's 3.. hard to make adjustments and substitutions all by yourself, As always LI depends on raw talent not plays or system.. until that changes the results will be the same.

Fair. But did you even know that CONNY got Blown out in every aspect by Baltimore in the first game only to beat them 8-5 later that same day and win it all. If you have been around long enough, you’d know there are bad games & good games. Bad days & good days. Learning from it and Turning the page is a life lesson.

I actually did know that, although I didn't see the game and I was curious if it was a little gamesmanship on behalf on CONNY as the exact opposite happened last year in the command division.. CONNY surprised Balt in an early round. but the Balt coaches, to their credit found a way to beat them in the semi final, and then Balt knocked off a more rested LI team in the final game.

Well said.

I was there last year and that was a tough loss to Baltimore as LI played down a girl for 7 straight minutes. LI blew everyone out in pool play then beat a solid Philly team to suffer their first and only loss to a 2 loss Baltimore team, I tip my hat off to baltimore as I felt LI had much more talent, but Baltimore found a way to win the title....much respect.
This year the team was loaded with talent but as we know that didnt translate the way we planned. The facts are this, yes they came up short and the results were not what we wanted, but its sad that every parent whose kid got cut or was too scared to tryout was cheering and laughing about the losses. Hey at least we were there in the fight, while you rooted at home against these girls.
I wont make any excuses as we came up short again but it was a great experience. Do yourselves a favor and stop making excuses why your daughter didnt make the team.... you sound like a whiner and apples dont fall far from trees. Sad your consolation is to rip on the girls who did make the team to make you feel better about yours not being good enough to overcome all the 'politics' lol.

Long Island teams play a completely different lacrosse game then the Baltimore/Md teams. LI is dependent on individual players basically looking to dodge and go to goal, and there are a good number of girls who can do that against most of the teams out there. But then they encounter these high level defenses and get completely shut down and really have no idea what to do. The Md teams play a much better brand of lacrosse, not even close. Lots of ball movement, off ball player movement, cutting and feeds and quick stick goals. I am from LI, but love watching these Md teams play, it is flat out just much better lacrosse than our girls play. We get to watch our LI girls try over and over to force the ball on a dodge, most often losing the ball and in the best case scenario they get fouled by one of the three defenders they are trying to individually take on. Ugly LI lacrosse, but that is what nearly all the LI clubs teach these kids, clear out for Becky and let her go to goal.

Wow. A lot of bloviating. Maybe they lost because the players picked are not the best players even though your little Suzy made the team since you paid the vig.

You said it better, but those are the thoughts I was trying to convey above..

Baltimore and LI both had 2 coaches in the Highlight finals. Baltimore proved they were the superior team throughout the regional and championships. LI barely got by NJ while Baltimore beat them 14-7. Baltimore controlled the draws in their games and their defense just didn't give up a lot of quality chances. There's a reason they've won the highlight division the last 2 years.

Why do you keep comparing the LI style of lacrosse to MD when you didn't even play MD and MD lost in the big game.. Seems to me that the teams with similar styles played in the National Championship and the team that won had the best style.. There is parity in lacrosse now folks and local area needs to adjust their minds to that and quite frankly their styles of play. The days of Long Island travel dominance is over. Thug ball doesn't work against higher talent. I think that was evident in the UA tournament. The better teams play like teams ….plain and simple. There needs to be a wider net casted on Long Island and more travels teams should be represented. We should have a Long Island ONLY tournament and settle this once and for all. You have Legacy, TG, YJ and the Jesters simply play for a LI travel championship and call it a day. It will never happen because money and politics have corrupted the whole system and what you have left is what everyone saw in Virginia.

We have our share of clubs in Maryland who's philosophy is the same you're describing in LI: handful of players try to dodge force a goal, most of the time they get shut down and lose ball. Extra special touch they encourage players to "fall" in attempt draw foul. Sadly some of those club coaches also coach HS and encourage said sloppy behavior and I'm embarrassed for them.

First everyone is not making excuses for not making the team. The ones that are, are 100% entitled to their frustration with the process. It seems that every year YJ has a coach, and then the second switches to someone else. I get that YJ is a traditionally strong/top LI program, but not in this age group. I am pretty sure everyone agrees on that. Last year there were a bunch of Legacy girls, when their coach was working it. This year it was Jesters. TG was snubbed. How would everyone feel if next year there is a TG coach and that person loads the team with their players? It diminishes the tryout and event in general. This bias is horrible for the moral of the girls, and breeds anger and contempt in the parents.There are several strong and competitive programs on LI. They really should be all equally represented. No doubt that way too many YJ girls get pushed through first round every year. Some deserved, some not so much. Now you might understand why so many were routing against this LI team, and they didn't disappoint there. Moving forward, there needs to be a better, fair way to evaluate the girls. The top 5-6 we know will make it because they are normally consistent, but anyone can have a bad tryout, even a great player, but they always seem to be pushed through, I'm ok with that. If you don't want people slamming this UA team for an embarrassing showing, then UA needs to do better in the evaluation process. The girls that didn't make the team due to the politics are over it, but you need to understand that it is sweet revenge seeing that team fail miserably.

Minor correction to above regarding number of Leg girls last year. The same one who made it this year also made it last year. There was an additional Leg girl added to roster last year due to an injury. So only two Leg girls were rostered last summer.

Should have been more! Just as deserving

Last year there were no YJ coaches. It was the Legacy Director/Coach Levy last year. If he “snubbed” TG and only took 1 Legacy girl (2nd one due to injury aside)-then who did HE take on the team? If not TG and His Own Legacy...who did he take and why?
That had nothing to do with YJ owner or coaches or players or or parents or politics.
Who did he take & why?

[quote=Anonymous]Last year there were no YJ coaches. It was the Legacy Director/Coach Levy last year. If he “snubbed” TG and only took 1 Legacy girl (2nd one due to injury aside)-then who did HE take on the team? If not TG and His Own Legacy...who did he take and why?
That had nothing to do with YJ owner or coaches or players or or parents or politics.
Who did he take & why?

It’s not nice to call YJ director Bertolone a nobody he was there.

Almost if not every evaluator for the highlight division was A YJ coach. They knew who they were taking before it started. Ask the girls because they were discussing it That’s par for the course and most expected it. Buy don’t pretend that it’s not a fix And a shame

Decent analysis. But to conclude UA needs to do better is off the mark. With YJ director and coaches involved it will not change. YJ recruits based on their ability to push marginal players onto select teams. Parents know this and pay the vig so daughters can add these selections to their bio. Read the threads.

Decent analysis. But to conclude UA needs to do better is off the mark. With YJ director and coaches involved it will not change. YJ recruits based on their ability to push marginal players onto select teams. Parents know this and pay the vig so daughters can add these selections to their bio. Read the threads.

The problem for the girls with the great bios. When a coach comes to scout weather its in a game or at a camp and the performance doesn't match the resume you are scratched off the list. With a lot of hype comes a lot of expectations.

"Parents know this and pay the vig"

What Vig.. the fees are outlined on the website, adds up to about $1500, the same as just about every other club. I have never been forced to do private training or clinics ( yes they are available at additional cost) and I have never seen any repercussions for not doing those. The YJ is the YJ not some mafioso organization. Be happy on TG, its a good club, and believe it or not the two are more alike then not.

"Baltimore and LI both had 2 coaches in the Highlight finals"

I would love to know who the 2nd LI coach was? I was there and there was only 1

Other two chose not to travel due to NYS Restrictions and impact on their real jobs....no one cared about the rest of us but that's a different story

He was Highlight coach not Command.

Not knocking others but the one leg girl who made it is an outstanding player. Was picked 2 years in row bc she is an above average talent.

Not knocking others but the one leg girl who made it is an outstanding player. Was picked 2 years in row bc she is an above average talent.

When you pick YJ B players over other clubs A team players like TG and Legacy the selection process loses all credibility.

Last year there were no YJ coaches...Berterlone was Highlight, not Command.
It was the Legacy Director/Coach Levy last year. If he “snubbed” TG and only took 1 Legacy “Above Average Talent” girl (2nd one due to injury aside)-then who did HE take on the team? If not TG and His Own Legacy...who did he take and why?
That had nothing to do with YJ owner or coaches or players or or parents or politics.
Who did he take & why?
NO ONE WANTS TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION because the truth blows up your narrative !!

Exactly! So a YJB player makes it over other A Team girls and the best part is she didn't even play the position she normally plays!

[quote=Anonymous]Last year there were no YJ coaches...Berterlone was Highlight, not Command.
It was the Legacy Director/Coach Levy last year. If he “snubbed” TG and only took 1 Legacy “Above Average Talent” girl (2nd one due to injury aside)-then who did HE take on the team? If not TG and His Own Legacy...who did he take and why?
That had nothing to do with YJ owner or coaches or players or or parents or politics.
Who did he take & why?
NO ONE WANTS TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION because the truth blows up your narrative !!

Bertolone was there on the sideline with the other coaches for both highlight and command. Yes he was there for Highlight but he was there for the Command tryout. 100% true.

[quote=Anonymous]Exactly! So a YJB player makes it over other A Team girls and the best part is she didn't even play the position she normally plays!

No politics here. I'm sure she's better than Legacy and TG girls even playing out of position.

My mistake, I was commenting on the Highlight division not the Command.. wrong thread

Maybe that girl showed more heart at the tryout than the "A Team Players" . You're not owed a spot just bc you're on the A team. Maybe she had a great tryout and it was based on that. Don't knock a kid who made it against the odds. I can't believe this conversation is still going on. I hope you got your refunds. Stay home next year.

Well, everyone knows that half the girls on 2023 YJ A team are there due to friends and family plan. The best players on the team were imported from Igloo because the team was so bad, and they are now finally competitive. Not a surprise that a YJ B player is better than many A players and was able to demonstrate that at the tryout.

Wow, this is enlightening to listen to you Long Island parents chew up & spit out each other and your kids, not to mention the coach. This lack of team play is exactly what we saw in that game you played against CONNY - outplayed, outcoached and outclassed. Four yellow cards, two for wild shots into the 8 meter area. Forget about CONNY, you weren't even in the top 4 teams in that tournament overall bc no plan & no discipline. With this kind of leadership on BOTH sidelines, it's not surprising.

I can recall years back a YJ friend telling me her daughter (on B) was told to tryout for D even though she was a Midi.

YJ despicable tactics have soured this age group. Very sad. Problem lies in entitlement, and has created delusional parents!

Well, everyone knows that half the girls on 2023 YJ A team are there due to friends and family plan. The best players on the team were imported from Igloo because the team was so bad, and they are now finally competitive. Not a surprise that a YJ B player is better than many A players and was able to demonstrate that at the tryout.

Could be her high school coach was the evaluator.

Most of the girls Levy took from last year were from the 22 age group being that it was a 22/23 team. This year was a 23/24 age group which completely changes the dynamic.

The fact that you are saying the best girls on the team are from igloo shows you either know nothing about the team or your from igloo. The best kids on that team have been on the team at least 2 years running. 2 of the igloo are solid all around players ( 1defender 1mid) The others are good but not great. One is a selfish turnover machine (middy) and the other is like watching a cat on ice skates (attacker). In fact the current YJ teams makes the igloo kids better... True story

YJ not a mafioso group ??? If you decide not to train with YJ it is fine.. staus quo....BUT if you train with another outside trainer that is another story!!!!! There is a trail of tears of kids who train with people that don't meet the approval of YJ. The 2022 coach charges exorbitant hourly's to train kids and if you think that kids don't get pushed aside for the betterment of the paying kids then you are a complete imbecile.. Its happening right this second. Before they fill the desires of the non paying kid, they will fill the desire of the paying kid first, God forbid the kids play the same position and like the same school. In that case the paying customer will get the nod and the non paying customer will be convinced to look at a different school... Classic switcheroo.. YJ 101 …. Pay to paly and pay to reserve your line at the front and keep other non paying interested parties away...

Pretty much how life works...

you sound like you have seen this first hand; like the blood is fresh and the wound still stings.
Well I will continue to live my life by having my girls train the best trainer possible, and not because she has a blue and gold sweatshirt on. you only are hurting kids in the long run donating $$$ for the pay to play BS. the best trainers I have used and seen don't work for YJ. I want my kid to get better not get more time because she pays a trainer/coach.

you sound like you have seen this first hand; like the blood is fresh and the wound still stings.
Well I will continue to live my life by having my girls train the best trainer possible, and not because she has a blue and gold sweatshirt on. you only are hurting kids in the long run donating $$$ for the pay to play BS. the best trainers I have used and seen don't work for YJ. I want my kid to get better not get more time because she pays a trainer/coach.
the selfish turnover machine is the who has been at YJ from the get go.... we all know that

Good try! He took 5 that were from YJ 2023 and 1 Leg 2023. The YJ goalie and two top middies didn’t even try out last year. That would have brought it to 8-on a 2022-2023 roster! Still, 5-1. Nice try!

Despicable tactics? with does that even translate into. They had A team players wear Blue, B team players wear Yellow at the tryouts. That’s why your daughter didn’t make it? That “Despicable” tactic soured you so bad you moved your daughter to exile and now complain so much about it. You made your bed !!

You must be an angry 2022 parent who is on the wrong thread. Neither 2023 coach trains anyone privately and those that do go to a trainer have not been negatively affected At All. Don’t project your situation on ours. YJ forces nothing!

All this talk about the top teams on Long Island and the programs.
All are established and have a reputation YJ, TG, LEGACY.
The Jesters have not one girl committed to any school and their 23 team has two girls that will get serious looks THATS IT. Sorry just not buying the used car sales pitch.

[quote=Anonymous]All this talk about the top teams on Long Island and the programs.
All are established and have a reputation YJ, TG, LEGACY.
The Jesters have not one girl committed to any school and their 23 team has two girls that will get serious looks THATS IT. Sorry just not buying the used car sales pitch.

1 girl will get a serious look. The Jesters program next commit will be their first. Jesters coaches snake oil salesmen.

Jesters coach did NOT know who C.H. Is from Grizzlies, perhaps top player in the grade.
He put defensively poor middie on her too late instead of top defenders to face guard from beginning.
After the wheels came off, kept his daughter, new Jester LD and Leg girl at midfield almost entire second half. Then outrageously names those 3 plus the selfish shooting, yellow card drawing, man down causing Middie Was All-Tournament players! Wow. Talk about politics, cluelessness and shame! What a mess!

Wow you really are a clown. And must not know anything about sports?? with did you do it your daughter do to enable you to talk like that. The girl who got the 2 yellows is the top middie on LI. has been and IS still! both cards were BS. second was a rocket in the upper corner from the outside.
The girls that made UA NR tournament team should be proud and they were deserved. Ohh wait is it because none came from the original Thorn team. 1 YJ B kid, 1 legacy, 2 Jesters and 2 igloo. Is that what you do; your daughter don’t make it and everyone knows who you are, and you take to the forum and criticize and belittle young girls?? you should be ashamed of yourself. Your daughter is a great player, stop ruining it for her.

Best middie in LI??? If that’s true , LI is in big trouble! Open your eyes! Nobody showed up on that UA team with consistency. That’s what great, “best” players do. What they don’t do is make excuses, like you are. Sports have short memory, and right now I’m pretty sure that teams performance is something they’re hoping people will forget quickly. Now go sign your daughter up for some of those private YJ lessons!

[quote=Anonymous]Jesters coach did NOT know who C.H. Is from Grizzlies, perhaps top player in the grade.
He put defensively poor middie on her too late instead of top defenders to face guard from beginning.
After the wheels came off, kept his daughter, new Jester LD and Leg girl at midfield almost entire second half. Then outrageously names those 3 plus the selfish shooting, yellow card drawing, man down causing Middie Was All-Tournament players! Wow. Talk about politics, cluelessness and shame! What a mess!

Why was that poor defensive middie even on the team? Another favor I assume

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Jesters coach did NOT know who C.H. Is from Grizzlies, perhaps top player in the grade.
He put defensively poor middie on her too late instead of top defenders to face guard from beginning.
After the wheels came off, kept his daughter, new Jester LD and Leg girl at midfield almost entire second half. Then outrageously names those 3 plus the selfish shooting, yellow card drawing, man down causing Middie Was All-Tournament players! Wow. Talk about politics, cluelessness and shame! What a mess!



Wow you really are a clown. And must not know anything about sports?? with did you do it your daughter do to enable you to talk like that. The girl who got the 2 yellows is the top middie on LI. has been and IS still! both cards were BS. second was a rocket in the upper corner from the outside.
The girls that made UA NR tournament team should be proud and they were deserved. Ohh wait is it because none came from the original Thorn team. 1 YJ B kid, 1 legacy, 2 Jesters and 2 igloo. Is that what you do; your daughter don’t make it and everyone knows who you are, and you take to the forum and criticize and belittle young girls?? you should be ashamed of yourself. Your daughter is a great player, stop ruining it for her.

Just stating facts and you know it.

[quote=Anonymous]Jesters coach did NOT know who C.H. Is from Grizzlies, perhaps top player in the grade.
He put defensively poor middie on her too late instead of top defenders to face guard from beginning.
After the wheels came off, kept his daughter, new Jester LD and Leg girl at midfield almost entire second half. Then outrageously names those 3 plus the selfish shooting, yellow card drawing, man down causing Middie Was All-Tournament players! Wow. Talk about politics, cluelessness and shame! What a mess!

You sound jealous the girls that made the all tournament team clearly deserved it. Be happy that Thorn selected your daughter to be on UA for some that was a gift.

Yes, and the LI girls on the all tournament team had me scratching my head. They weren’t even stat leaders. Guess they tried to spread it around, like a participation trophy

Outsider here, but how can you people say they played horrible and made mistakes all over the place and at the same time say the starters clearly Deserved to make the All tournament team?

Seems players that made the least mistakes should have been in the stats on tourney machine. Your starters and middies in particular could “Not get it done” and they are the players picked? That seems weird!

!!!!!!!!! Exactly!

Your clueless jester coach did pick all tournament honors. Not like high school honors when a team gets so many honors n coaches pick who gets what.
You def never put a jock strap on. Stop living thru your kid.
All the kids that made it played well.
Get a life

Have to disagree. None of the girls picked played well. They were selfish turnover machines. That’s why they lost badly.

Stop with the stats. The girls picked ARE stat leaders but Tourny machine incorrect. Like previous stated. Stats not even close. Sideline workers winging it - missed most. Get over it. Watch the film if it’s of such great importance. Coaches don’t pick their own players. Only opponents players. Try again.

[quote=Anonymous]Stop with the stats. The girls picked ARE stat leaders but Tourny machine incorrect. Like previous stated. Stats not even close. Sideline workers winging it - missed most. Get over it. Watch the film if it’s of such great importance. Coaches don’t pick their own players. Only opponents players. Try again.

The girls picked for the all tournament team is a great honor and the girls picked earned it with lights out game play. Be happy for the girls that made it. If your daughters work hard next year they will have an opportunity to make the all tournament team.

Haha haha. Is your daughter as delusional as you? A shame lax tournaments are becoming socialist.

"Lights out" play? You must not have been watching the same LI team as me. Not one girl scored more than 2 goals in any game (fact), and the whole team looked like they were a JV team playing Varsity team when playing (getting beat badly) CONN. That's not "lights out". Most girls too small, slow and unathletic to even think about playing in college.

Ok now that’s delusional lmfao

it was so bad. there is a ton of talent on long island just not there. the top players on TG didnt even go to try out s same with other teams. they knew better

There were actually lots of TG girls at try out

After the UA disaster, what can/should be done next summer to make LI more competitive? Next summer’s UA team will be an extremely important event for the 2023s who are lucky make the team. The way they looked, after this tournament, I’d be surprised if any of them make it. Is there a second team the make just for recruiting? Like an uncommitted team?

2023 Top Gun Black vs 2023 Jesters Black? My money is on Jesters!

Maybe this fall, not a chance next summer!

[quote=Anonymous]2023 Top Gun Black vs 2023 Jesters Black? My money is on Jesters!

Lol

Been there. The same kids will make the team. Stop wasting your money. The ones who tell you it's a great practice and worth the $$ are making $$. Don't show up that's what can be done.

put a jock strap on??
with you play and where? let’s hear this. let me guess all conf in football in 1988. awesome bro.
you are still crying your daughter didn’t get picked.
go text CR like you always do and cry to her.

At this point I think the girls who did get picked should be more embarrassed than the ones who didn’t. What a pathetic showing and waste of time for all involved. Driving to and from VA must have been the icing on the cake!

Well my daughter got picked and has got a few emails from schools requesting film...... soooooooo not sure how your little precious is doing but we are just fine!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Well my daughter got picked and has got a few emails from schools requesting film...... soooooooo not sure how your little precious is doing but we are just fine!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂[/quote]

Lmfao! They send those emails to everyone on the team. Also, coaches are prohibited from making personal contact at this time. Guess you’re new. Trust me..she’s not getting recruited after that performance

Top middy in Long Island ? NAH .. Very strong young lady but misses the net way too many shots (that can be fixed with a better trainer). I still think that she is one to the top players on the island but not the best. You know shooting percentage and turn overs are a stat. But all you clowns look at is goals. Its who makes the players around them better. Its who helps the team gel. Its who picks up their teammates when they fall. Its who causes a turnover at the most important time of the game. When I watch the kids play they more or less look the same on the field to a certain extent. You can see some kids are athletically superior but it isn't night and day for the most part. The day of running down the field like a REC kid and going straight to goal is OVER.. If you cant play the SAME with both hands you are in trouble (includes catching on a full run cut). If you cant shoot from any angle, you are in trouble. If you are slow you are in trouble. Unfortunately many of the kids talked about on this thread have become (thru their parents) locker room cancers that erode the fabric of any team they play on now and most likely in the future. Everything they talk about is negative or fashioned as a complaint. Gossip over rides the will to work. I detest to see this because I see that many of the travel teams have great talent but equally bad attitude. Try telling your kids no once in a while and maybe just maybe you will see some changes. If not ...just run and buy them the next biggest toy or phone so they can over compete wit their friends on the social area. Hey buy why not ... they are all gong to remember each other after school right ?

She is definitely a top middi on Long Island. One of her best qualities r defensive skills. Not everybody plays defense at high-level. Some of those attackers barely had a ride. 90% of that team never even thinks about picking their head up. Couple attackers OMG. PASS THE BALL

There are 6 "top middis" on LI. They are all interchangeable and have unique strengths and weaknesses. Question is, which one(s) will separate themselves from the pack?

maybe they should just reject the honor and can tell everyone they got cut and blame politics like you and your kid.

funny part all the jealous crazy parents go on here and BLAST these kids that made the team, and blast them even more if they got an honor, but the irony of it all is they will be the same kids who make every 'watch' list, All county and AA and go to the top programs in the country. Been happening forever. as Ricky Henderson said....'they only BOO the best".
I am the sure the results in Virginia were disappointing for all the girls, but it was probably also a great experience. They are all the midst of a very nice lacrosse journey that may lead them to college one day where they continue to play and have fun and make memories, all while the same parents whine and complain. Just enjoy the journey or at least let your daughters enjoy it without you ruining it for them. It will be over fast

Same parents complaining would sell an organ to have had their kids chosen, but come on here and tear down young girls instead.
If their kid would have been chosen, and the outcome be the same, they would be on here defending the whole experience fiercely.

Same old sad mom and dads who are butthurt their kid didn’t make it. Now you say you’re glad your kid didn’t make it. Which is good because your kids probably won’t make
It next year. Kudos to the girls who played and had the experience.

Can you say damage control! Haha. Excused never stop!

Kudos to the karma of getting picked for something they didn't deserve. Hopefully they lean from the train wreck. Maybe the lesson is that being picked due to politics is never a good thing and lacrosse is not for them!

Wow I feel sorry for your kid, but I’m sure that apple didn’t fall far. You are a train wreck of a parent.

When will YOU move on from this? I’ve got to think your daughter already has and if she hasn’t, then pat yourself on the back for adding more dysfunction to her life. Enough already.

If lacrosse “isn’t for them”, what’s your kids excuse? Should parents start telling you that maybe you should tell your kid that she’s never going to make a select team, and that she should just deal with it ? You’re going to throw your money down next year to try out. Just leave it be.

Yay, you’re getting the point! Many talented girls didn’t make the select team due to bias of the evaluators. What’s my evidence you ask? About half the girls picked did nothing to contribute to a win, in fact , they were liabilities on the field. Keep telling yourself that your daughter belonged there even though she did nothing. There were definitely a few that would clearly make the team no matter who was doing the evaluation, the bottom half had no business being there!

Hence, why we didn't go to the tryout. Some of the girls who made the team are great players and very deserving. Some, not so much. But if you think the UA team represents the top talent on LI then you're delusional. For us personally, we decided our money was better spent going to college camps at schools my daughter is actually interested in attending. That's the joke of all this. With the recruiting changes, the college camps make your club and your club directors connections a lot less important. Seriously, why do I care if Podunk School of Basketweaving is interested in my daughter and contacts our clubs director? We're interested in the schools my daughter would like to attend and that's really easy to go check out on our own, without the drama, without the politics and without being beholden to a club director.

Except all the campus are closed, there are no camps... A nice fresh highlight reel from the UA tournament might go a long way come next 9/1

maybe they should just reject the honor and can tell everyone they got cut and blame politics like you and your kid.

Don't blame politics the Jesters selected the girls that had the best tournament and earned a place on the all tournament team. With 5 UA Jesters they will be a force this upcoming summer.

Except for the girls who did nothing...don't think it would be a good idea to send film on those turnovers!

Here’s some simple advice every year Long Island gets about 150 D1 commitments whether your or 150 be happy it’s a great honor to play a D1 sport

[quote=Anonymous]Here’s some simple advice every year Long Island gets about 150 D1 commitments whether your or 150 be happy it’s a great honor to play a D1 sport

Stop coming on this site being positive and saying something that makes sense.

maybe they should just reject the honor and can tell everyone they got cut and blame politics like you and your kid.

Don't blame politics the Jesters selected the girls that had the best tournament and earned a place on the all tournament team. With 5 UA Jesters they will be a force this upcoming summer.[/quote]

no ... seen those girls play average at best they are B team caliber ...they get a lot of behind the scenes push to get them noticed .. its who you know for them not skills . they don't play enough either... good luck to them but they will not cut it with the MD competition

maybe they should just reject the honor and can tell everyone they got cut and blame politics like you and your kid.

Don't blame politics the Jesters selected the girls that had the best tournament and earned a place on the all tournament team. With 5 UA Jesters they will be a force this upcoming summer.[/quote]

no ... seen those girls play average at best they are B team caliber ...they get a lot of behind the scenes push to get them noticed .. its who you know for them not skills . they don't play enough either... good luck to them but they will not cut it with the MD competition[/quote]

So you are the authority on lacrosse and “B” team players now!!!!!! Good to know, maybe UA should hire you for the evaluations next year.
Man Jesters are making some parents on here sweat now.

maybe they should just reject the honor and can tell everyone they got cut and blame politics like you and your kid.

Don't blame politics the Jesters selected the girls that had the best tournament and earned a place on the all tournament team. With 5 UA Jesters they will be a force this upcoming summer.[/quote]

no ... seen those girls play average at best they are B team caliber ...they get a lot of behind the scenes push to get them noticed .. its who you know for them not skills . they don't play enough either... good luck to them but they will not cut it with the MD competition[/quote]

So you are the authority on lacrosse and “B” team players now!!!!!! Good to know, maybe UA should hire you for the evaluations next year.
Man Jesters are making some parents on here sweat now.

Other than the former TG girl nobody that was at UA would sweat this team. They are mediocre at best.

She’s a very good HS player, don’t think her skill set transitions well to the college game. Too small, slow shot. College is a different game.

maybe they should just reject the honor and can tell everyone they got cut and blame politics like you and your kid.

Don't blame politics the Jesters selected the girls that had the best tournament and earned a place on the all tournament team. With 5 UA Jesters they will be a force this upcoming summer.[/quote]

no ... seen those girls play average at best they are B team caliber ...they get a lot of behind the scenes push to get them noticed .. its who you know for them not skills . they don't play enough either... good luck to them but they will not cut it with the MD competition[/quote]

So you are the authority on lacrosse and “B” team players now!!!!!! Good to know, maybe UA should hire you for the evaluations next year.
Man Jesters are making some parents on here sweat now.

Other than the former TG girl nobody that was at UA would sweat this team. They are mediocre at best.[/quote]

Please explain.

no need to explain....watch the film

Ok clown!!! 😂😂😂

Results hurt. They were a no show

The reality of your daughter didn’t make it hurts, get a life already. I feel bad for her, it like child abuse listening to you.

My daughter didnt try out, and you should be glad she didn't because she would have taken your daughters spot!

reality is really no one watched it lmao because no one cares but the people that manipulated that team

If you say so, clown 🤡

Ok I am going to pose a question about tryouts like UA and I’m not sure what the right answer is. On tryout day a player has a flat out killer tryout. I have witnessed this scenario in back to back years for the same player on an older UA team. This particular player was selected and two straight years couldn’t stop a beach ball once arriving at practice and eventually games. Do you go with the tryout or go with a history of being a standout. A tryout is a 3 hour event and you as the selection staff have seen this group for years so you know the history of these players. I saw this once again at a different position but with the same result, standout tryout only to be followed up by mediocre at best play in practice and games. I now know why some coaches will go with a proven body of work versus a great afternoon tryout. I can see both sides now.

This might be too deep for this pool. Daddy’s just want to complain that their kiddo didn’t make it, and that everyone else stinks, and they’re glad they lost.

Well they do stink, and they did lose!😜

Wake up. They didn’t make the final 4. Obviously they picked the wrong players. Is that too hard to understand.

Exactly!! LI has plenty of gritty players who can get the job done. Unfortunately politics picked the entitled princesses who pooped the bed once again!

Corrections: They Did make the final 4 as Northeast bracket winners. They Did “poop the bed” this year but last year lost to Baltimore by 1 in the final, so there is no “again”.

The Top girls, with long track records of being the Best in the Grade on LI, did Not get it done this year, at All. Reality: The history over-the-years of top play will get 80% of them picked again & again & again. Seems it’s the other 20% (about 4 or 5 players) that are the ones who “took your daughters spot due politics” and should not have made it. We AGREE! The last 4 or 5 spots likely went to those the coaches know, weather due to politics or comfort with the players history vs a lights out tryout. It is these 4 or 5 players that did Not belong that has so many unable to move on. Understandable! Hopefully next year your daughter gets one of those spots. Could only be an improvement.

[quote=Anonymous]Corrections: They Did make the final 4 as Northeast bracket winners. They Did “poop the bed” this year but last year lost to Baltimore by 1 in the final, so there is no “again”.

The Top girls, with long track records of being the Best in the Grade on LI, did Not get it done this year, at All. Reality: The history over-the-years of top play will get 80% of them picked again & again & again. Seems it’s the other 20% (about 4 or 5 players) that are the ones who “took your daughters spot due politics” and should not have made it. We AGREE! The last 4 or 5 spots likely went to those the coaches know, weather due to politics or comfort with the players history vs a lights out tryout. It is these 4 or 5 players that did Not belong that has so many unable to move on. Understandable! Hopefully next year your daughter gets one of those spots. Could only be an improvement.

Agreed however it’s more than 4 or 5 that were gifted spots on the team. Jesters had 3 out 5 that made it haven’t played on varsity yet. Only 1 Jester truly deserved it. Dad coach came in picked his girls and they were exposed. The YJ also had players that were gifted onto the team. A handful of them deserved their spot based on their varsity lax play and reputation. The Jesters dad Coach was exposed for his coaching because he didn’t select the top players he was trying to grow his program at the expense of the UA team. When you have your choice of top Long Island talent you should be able to roll a ball out there and win.

agreed many of the top players on long island were no shows for this event becuase of the crappy reputation of of the selection process of the UA team. the girls new they made it before they even tried out... just sayin

First time on this thread. I have a 2023 daughter and there hasn't been any reason to visit this thread, when there isn't drama.

Yesterday, I was at Mid-Atlantic (Genesee Valley) and the game adjacent to my daughter's game was the Jesters 2023 Black sideline. WOW, the two male coaches were unlike any club coaches I have seen a while. Almost all coaches yell and complain to the officials during a game. But these to coaches, who look related to each
other, were the exception to the rule. The yelled and tired to dictate way to much action. I felt sad for the players/parents and I wondered why the would subject themselves to these two coaches.

But prior to posting my comments, I noted that the Jesters clearly already receive negative attention. Which supports my opinion and I hope those parents wake up and realize the harm that these two have caused.

If you watch any games with a long island team in it. The refs do not give Long Island any close calls. N lots of calls they blatantly give to Maryland or any other state. I watched the game the jester coaches were very frustrated.

This is inaccurate statement and such a cop out. The prior comment about the Jesters coaches is “spot on.” Maintain the integrity of youth sports and stop being a poor role model for your players.

Many of the Long Island teams did not fare well this weekend due to other teams just being better. Monster is a NY team and I don’t see them complaining, but still going undefeated.

We were also at the Mid-Atlantic. We didn't see actually Jesters play, but we sure heard the screaming and yelling. You don't see or hear that much down South. I think that is the same coach who pulled a several of his players for UA game? I'm sure that they are good players and good kids, but seems fishy, that's all we are saying. Very interesting.
We Heard that those teams are now part of CR and YJ? Questionable move by CR.

The parents, coaches and players from other teams heard them screaming. They were talking about the shameless behavior. Like you we heard about the negative comments on coaches before, but never witnessed .
Just a bad look for their team, club, kids and the sport. As for those poor players that have to endure that behavior, I feel terrible for them .Not a good look those poor players and parents come recruiting time. They should rethink their choice of team. It's not good the girls future in sports, college, recruiting and perhaps most importantly , life lessons.

They (Jesters) are NOT part of YJ or CR organization.

The LI team under 23 Swarm played Extremely well, Again! 2 weeks ago they beat M&D Black, MD United and a Carolina team and this weekend beat Monsters, controlled M& D Black but settled for tie and beat Florida team.
From the comment the LI teams did not fair well, honest question, how did TG, Jesters and any Other LI teams actually do?

This is inaccurate statement and such a cop out. The prior comment about the Jesters coaches is “spot on.” Maintain the integrity of youth sports and stop being a poor role model for your players.

Many of the Long Island teams did not fare well this weekend due to other teams just being better. Monster is a NY team and I don’t see them complaining, but still going undefeated.[/quote

Not sure what Midatlantic you were at but YJ Thorn beat Monster A (purple) 8-5. then apparently were up on M&D black 6-0 and the refs gave them numerous yellows in the last 10 minutes and played down 2-3 girls and M&D tied it at buzzers. sounds like they weren’t happy with the officiating too. it is M&D’s tourney though ]

Not sure what happen to M&D? Use to look forward to playing them now they’re just kind of a garbage show. My older daughter use have the M&D games circled on her calendar. But it’s not a rivalry if they haven’t won in years now.

People are really getting scared of the Jesters.
I love it!!!!!!

Not sure what happen to M&D? Use to look forward to playing them now they’re just kind of a garbage show. My older daughter use have the M&D games circled on her calendar. But it’s not a rivalry if they haven’t won in years now.[/quote]

Well did your team beat M&D ? Or are you on the team that blew a 6-0 lead ? Why are they are garbage show ?

I know! That's what I am hearing on here!!

Not to confuse facts with the brilliant analysis here, but:

This weekend:

MND 5, Monster 5
MND 6, YJ 6
MND 7, Limitless (FL) 2

Last weekend:
MND 7, TG 4
MND 12, Elavate (NY) 2
MND 10, Dewlax (NJ) 6

MND 11, MD United 7
MND 8, YJ 9
MND 16, Carolina 5

6-1-2 playing a lot of top teams. Garbage, huh?!

Best part, MND plays YJ again this weekend.

On M&D.. Its fall and they are not long a ton of kids right now. Soccer is still being played and so is field hockey. Not to mention that some kids just wont play because of virus hype. They are all encouraged to play their in season sports over fall travel. One of the M&D teams was playing with all defenders as middys due to numbers. I am not taking away from any of the teams that played them as they all looked great but the YJ / M&D games should be better come this summer (hopefully). Both teams are pretty sharp and have nice talent. The refs stunk all weekend for everyone and called the games like the kids were made of paper. i watched quite a few games where I had no dog in the hunt and it was frustrating to watch. Not only do they slow the game down but they take forever to set the kids up and blow the whistle. I am not there to watch the refs. On a side note about the Jesters. They are the Igloo (girls) of 2020. Competitive team who pressures well and shows up to play every week. They are gritty. Not sure that anyone is scared of really any team at this point. Its girls lacrosse for heaven sake not ice hockey in the 70's. They have all proven to be beatable over the last few years and I am seeing a lot of ties. I see parity. Anyone who doesn't admit that is simply just a shill. In fact you will see the same thing this weekend in Delaware if they allow everyone to play. At any rate ....safe travels and don't forget to wear those BS masks that DON'T stop you from getting a head cold let alone covid.

No one is scared of the Jesters. They are a dirty team, kind of like the armpit of Long Island lacrosse....

Really ? I guess you didn't catch the Jesters coach's meltdown performance in Virginia Beach for the UA All America. He is a different man when he goes in the hole 9-0. Didn't really see too much coaching at that point. He did a great job of embarrassing his players and himself as he yelled on top of his lungs at 15 year old kids because your "great coach" couldn't make the adjustments to stave off a clearly more talented TEAM. He had no answer. Instead of inspiring the kids to fight, he yelled them into submission. Like most daddy coaches they are only interested in using your kids to make their kids look better. That s why they all quit when their kids time out of travel. Its not about the game or the kids. Its about their kid. They are simply politicians.

Lot of numbers although I noticed you’re leaving a few off. Riddle me this, has M&D beaten YJ or HEROS in the last twelve month's?

Relax! It's fall ball! Next summer is when thing get real! Lots of girls not even playing. About 5-10 teams virtually interchangeable. Time to worry about what YOUR OWN KID IS DOING ON THE FIELD!!!

Yes lots of talent on that M&D vs Thorn field.
I am assuming the Jesters team is more of a running joke. Don’t know who they are but I see they play against mostly B teams and tied Capital who is a very average team from down here.
From what I see and read; it’s YJ Thorn, M&D, Heros Green and Skywalkers Blue (some MD bias). monster Purple surprises some teams and TG Black seems to have taken a step down.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not to confuse facts with the brilliant analysis here



Hero’s NEVER beats M&D
M&D is the #1 team in Maryland. The YJ 2.0 version that merged last year has been our nemesis. since their merger I don’t know anyone who beat them in a game, but we love playing the best. I think we get them this weekend; we are due.
All our top players have been there snd I believe all YJs have too.
Hero’s still can’t beat us and never will. thx for trying

Hero’s literally beat M&D yesterday

Wow so now Hero’s is 1-16 in the past 8 years against
congrats on the Win.

Thanks Doc, will be sure to take your medical advice.

Hero’s literally beat M&D yesterday

Jesters beat the merged YJ team.

YJ is just going by Swarm so their losses to M&D don't count against them. They better save up their energy during the day this weekend for the rematch that is coming when we play again. This time we won't spot them a big lead before we turn it on.

Or have the refs give you the game back again. Disgusting what those refs did in that game.
Typical Maryland though!

When did YJ/Swarm lose to M&D?

The Jesters Program will ride that fall Scrimmage win Against YJ for the next 5 years. Surprise they haven’t posted that on their website yet.

Hero’s literally beat M&D yesterday

Wait - what tournament did Hero's beat M&D in ? In the 23's ??

Don't worry. Come to play cause we will beat you with Delaware refs come Saturday!

I know! That's what I am hearing on here!!

Yes that 6-6 tie vs a mediocre Capital team was truly frightening

I saw the end of that game. They should have lost. The ref waived off the winning goal for Capital at the end of the game that should have counted.

fall league championship. Don’t let the M&D parents lie to you it was the full team. No players on M&D miss anything for other sports.

[quote=Anonymous]People are really getting scared of the Jesters.
I love it!!!!!!

It’s no longer fear the bee it’s now fear the jester!

you guys are arguing about wins and losses for showcase tourneys, where the major objective is for each girl to play evenly and get a chance to get seen or get some video.

Jester= a professional joker or “fool”

If the name fits........

The addition of one good player who was good because of who she was surrounded with does not make a team scary.
Please stop, you sound silly

how many even strength goals did M&D score against YJ???
ZERO.
all the goals were scored in the last 9 minutes while up 2-3 girls

how many times did M&D beat YJ in the past 2 years
ALSO ZERO 0-2-1 (tie was gift)

Are you really hung up on a fall ball game? You do realize that nobody really cares who won. I think everyone can agree that any of the top teams could beat each other on any given day. Relax and enjoy! Be happy the Grizzlies are not there, would be beating all you clowns!

i get it now. when you lose a game, you just say nobody cares about winning???
Show me someone who doesn’t care about winning and show me someone nobody wants on their team.
So if you win this weekend then all of a sudden it will be out winning. great system. you must have voted for Biden

And you for Trump, the lost who keeps having tantrums and making stuff up when he doesn't get his way. Explains your behavior. Worry about you own daughter. None of these games matter until next summer, when the coaches will be on the side!

The only thing that matters is that when M&D delivers the beatdown to the Yellowjackets Swarm on Saturday is that it is the final game of the day, so it will be a long drive home back to NY with the taste fresh in the mouth. And don't worry, we will be filming the game and watching the cars leave and sending the video to the NY authorities, so be sure to take your COVID tests and quarantine at home afterwards. More time to think about it.

[quote=Anonymous]The only thing that matters is that when M&D delivers the beatdown to the Yellowjackets Swarm on Saturday is that it is the final game of the day, so it will be a long drive home back to NY with the taste fresh in the mouth. And don't worry, we will be filming the game and watching the cars leave and sending the video to the NY authorities, so be sure to take your COVID tests and quarantine at home afterwards. More time to think about it.

M&D is weak. YJ lay the smackdown on Saturday. Oooh really scared about you telling on us to the authorities. You are a hammerhead.

Yj have the most talent in most age groups. The age groups that win most of the time are the teams that play Maryland lacrosse. Called passing the ball making the game fun to watch. Been watching long time the 23s are prob one of the most selfish yj teams ever! It’s hard to watch

The fact all the YJ parents “happened to see the Jesters games” just proves the point. SCARED!!!!!
Go back to cornhole and solo cups, you are better lacrosse parents when you embrace your trash lmfao!

The fact all the YJ parents “happened to see the Jesters games” just proves the point. SCARED!!!!!
Go back to cornhole and solo cups, you are better lacrosse parents when you embrace your trash lmfao!

Fear the Jester!

+1,000

That's Long Island Lacrosse and YJ is the epitome of the ISO, go to goal lacrosse. It is great your daughter scored four goals last game, too bad she took 15 shots and half that were missed, went into the goalies stick and the other half went out of bounds not backed up. So many kids forcing the ball, taking bad shots, getting stripped, getting called on a charge, actually hurting the team more than helping. But this is what is promoted. BUT don't those four goals look great???? And this problem gets worse and worse the closer the teams get to recruiting, the pure selfish play goes through the roof, hard to watch. Even the defenders start playing selfish lacrosse hoping to get noticed, looking away four or five opportunities to outlet the ball in transition so they can be a hero running the ball up field instead of passing. How many times have you seen this happen only to draw a charge or get stripped and the ball flies back down the other end with a defender out of place because she wanted to be the hero. Very rare is a well coached team that this selfish behavior is not allowed, but there are some teams out there that are playing lacrosse right, I agree they are fun to watch and yes most of them are the Maryland teams, certainly not Long Island teams.

Thanks Biff for your insight. Now call Buffy and go order some crab cakes and drive her in your 10 year old Range Rover.

Crab cakes. good one buddy.
look the YJ team is super talented and can win on talent alone sometimes but if you want to see the game played right. watch M&D and Skywalkers

And with are the Jesters. they aren’t the B team i saw lose to capital blue 7-6 and then after they gave them a 6-6 tie and disallowed the last goal cause that’s what we do in 2020. no losers.
Jesters wouldn’t beat the tourney B teams in MD

And yet everyone keeps watching them and making them the topic of conversation.
Jesters are real!

Real annoying! Please stop!

Real annoying! Please stop![/quote

JESTERS JESTERS JESTERS!!!!!!!!

how was LLL today???
don’t see anything on tourney machine?!!
heard M&D black was getting their 4th shot in 12 months at YJ??
they finally beat them i hope??

Yj / swarm by 3. M&D needs to figure out a team offense and not just a free for all. Too much talent to just dodge all the time. Where has yj 24 been all summer? They would show M&D 24 a thing or 2 as well.

Congrats to Swarm on a nice win today. Maybe YJ will pick a name so those wins will count when added up and not get split between 2 teams in the USCL computers. Hope y'all stay COVID-free so we can renew the rivalry soon. And take out the court Jesters while you are at it, so we can keep them off this board. No one will ever fear a team named the Jesters.

Thank you. It was a great day of lacrosse and beautiful weather. Happy and healthy Thanksgiving to all!

why take a shot at jesters.. good coaches. basically a one town team competing against girl from everywhere. had a good record this past weekend.

[quote=Anonymous]why take a shot at jesters.. good coaches. basically a one town team competing against girl from everywhere. had a good record this past weekend.

Good coaches very questionable.

All the Maryland Mommies are quiet today....... I guess YJ went down there today and took care of business...... AGAIN!!!!
They traveled 4 hours to beat you AGAIN, the refs AGAIN!!!!
Long Island is where the lacrosse is!

Man, this thread is hilarious. I love reading. I guess since the Jets and Giants stink, this is all you have. I hope everyone has a wonderful Holiday.

Ravens not looking so great either?? Running QBs have limited success and short careers in the NFL.
Maybe the O’s will be good soon LOL

Dirty town, dirty coaches, dirty team....

WOW.... YJ parents have been waiting 6 years to be able to come on this tread and pound their chest.

I like Lamar a lot, he is a sick athlete....but the Titans have his number.

I like Lamar a lot, he is a sick athlete....but the Titans have his number.

The Titans aren't the only team with his number. Enjoy the mvp trophy it will never happen again.

Thoughts on All America Winter Vengeance in Tampa. Will they get the turnout from the regions. Florida in January sounds good to me!

Sounds like you had to make your region team to be invited.
So Long Island will go down there with same team it had at UA??

This is Corrigan Sports exploiting crazy lax parents. It used to be simple, they partnered with Under Armour to run All American, selected the best players in the country and it actually meant something to have been selected and play on the UA team. Now they are feeding off of parents by creating a ton of UA spin off events. UA 150, Call Back, Winter Vengence, etc.... Not all selected players will go to FLA, who would in the year of covid, much less any other year? So now those team will be filling in with players who never made the original team because they can now say they were a part of UA team in FL. But this greed will eventually back fire on UA as the once elite event they used to run is getting vastly diluted. Sad to see the greed ruin what was once a great thing.

Seems like a big waste of time and risk, as it is in a recruiting dead period, not to mention a global pandemic! What the hek are they thinking?

Jesters earning some respect. Couple of their teams got got ranked. they are doing a great job promoting their program. Their numbers are going through the roof. Most age groups have 3 teams.

Agree 100% it's Corrigan exploiting insecure kids and parents and, IMHO, negligent holding a useless tournament in FLorida during the second wave of a pandemic. We already did that tournament. CONNY won. Having said that, the boys "tournament operators" are just as bad. Every day on my social media feeds I'm getting announcements about showcases and combines for class of 2023 and below in the upcoming weeks! It used to be there was one showcase that separated the best players from the rest (Showtime) now everyone has their own showcase and they're all charging $500. I guess people must be paying it???

sounds like theyre getting greedy, just like the big clubs

Maybe thinking the players want to play the sport they love and would travel to do so if that’s what it takes. Yes they make a few $ that’s capitalism’s.

Haha....keep feeding the money machine. My daughter is eligible, but this event has money grab written all over it!

Eligible?? so that means your daughter made the team that was selected in October at the tryout from NJ??
if only 21 players eligible and 10 decide to go. how do they fill the roster and despite what the gallery says that roster is filled with the best of the best on LI

Any thoughts on the Presidents Cup move to Dallas in 2021?

Not a LI parent but I gotta agree on the money grab but have to confess my daughter was upset when President's Cup got cancelled this year. Would have been her first year going. She wants to play and to go to Florida. We will wait to see if they get a good response. Call me a sucker or insecure lax parent but so much has been taken away from these kids and they just want to get out on the field. I fly for work and would happily take my daughter on a plane if this looks to go off as indoor winter sports are very uncertain!

[quote=Anonymous]Any thoughts on the Presidents Cup move to Dallas in 2021?

It really doesn't matter. CR has Live, Love Lax Florida and that is the tournament with the top teams, the Presidents Cup will go the way of the National Draw. Once a great tournament now a secondary tournament for teams not invited the CR's tournament.

[quote=Anonymous]Jesters earning some respect. Couple of their teams got got ranked. they are doing a great job promoting their program. Their numbers are going through the roof. Most age groups have 3 teams.

The Jesters next college commit will be their first. YJ and TG proven track records when it comes to recruiting.

Agreed, but the Jesters are and up and coming program. I’m hearing big things for the 2023 team. They seem to be getting bigger and bigger.

Agreed, but the Jesters are and up and coming program. I’m hearing big things for the 2023 team. They seem to be getting bigger and bigger.

Really? They played one mediocre team this fall Capital and tied them. I guess that's big.

Not my program, but not correct on that. They beat YJa in a game, dont have to travel to MD tournament to have a game count. They get knocked a lot on this page, but they are a solid team.

They played and beat YJ and TG will never play anyone from LI. Say what you will but the 23’ Jesters squad (who have four UA players on the roster) are going to make a lot of noise with recruiting and lax a lot of people off while doing it!

It might be time to stop listening to the voices in your head “ I’m hearing big things for the 23 team ,they seem to be getting bigger and bigger “ wouldn’t it be be great to get better rather than bigger !

Better is an understatement, this team is making a lot of noise and seems to making a lot you folks MAD!!!!!!

They played and beat YJ and TG will never play anyone from LI. Say what you will but the 23’ Jesters squad (who have four UA players on the roster) are going to make a lot of noise with recruiting and lax a lot of people off while doing it!

4 UA players oh yeah wasn’t the Jesters coach the evaluator that sounds legitimate. I guess that’s why UA Long Island performed so well in the tournament.

You have to stop with the Jesters. They are a joke like their name suggests. They are a mid level team, even with their new addition who will not look so great when not surrounded by great players. YJ had a great fall, TG will be right there when all their injured players return...then there’s the rest. Jesters are in that group, no depth

Some Jesters mouthpiece is trying sooooo hard to control the narrative. Just like the Con Man...keep saying it over & over & over until people believe it.
This Jeaters team is nothing special. Everyone knows The Coach Stacked the UA team with some mediocre Jesters players, kept them in while he & they soiled the bed.
Other than a scrimmage win over the #1 team in-the-grade, YJ Thorn, Jeaters went on to lose to Legacy and did not put up ANY win over any club to speak of.
THEY are just spouting NONSENSE. The narrative is what you Do-not what you say!

Yup

And Jesters got beaten by Legacy. Enough with the Jesters nonsense. It is no longer entertaining. It borders on being as painful as listening to the Jester's coach on the sideline.

No Live Love Lax Florida! CR taking her recruitment age teams to the President’s Cup in Dallas. IWLCA is back. That’s the place to be. UA All American disappoint down the rabbit hole. The next big thing is American Select.

Just given the team name how does one take them seriously? Jester - Dictionary Definition: Vocabulary.comwww.vocabulary.com › dictionary › jester
A jester is a joker or clown who performs for an audience. Most jesters worked for English kings' courts during medieval and Tudor times. Back in Shakespeare's ..

..and when they beat you the joke's on you poach your roster and laugh to the bank the joke is on you for paying $70 to play wall ball with the small pistols. .

[quote=Anonymous]..and when they beat you the joke's on you poach your roster and laugh to the bank the joke is on you for paying $70 to play wall ball with the small pistols. .

We’ll have to wait to see next year if the Jesters can get into any real tournaments and see if they play in the top brackets. The YJ should play them again slap them around show them they are far from a top team even with the former TG girl who is clearly their best player.

Kind of how YJ slapped them last time....... oh that’s right...... YJ parents cried all the way home after they got [ChillLaxin] slapped on their own field...... of course this after all the YJ fathers got drunk and their prissy little wives were flirting with other parents...... you lost all around..... LOSERS

Do you ever Even Pretend to be an adult? Wow! I’m learning, through the previous ridiculous post, what Arrested Development actually means!

Didn’t know Legacy played Jesters
what was the score??
Funny the Jesters claim to fame is a scrimmage. that’s funny.
Legacy should have been ranked higher than Jesters

Legacy 7 - Jesters 4 Summer Genesis


USCL has Legacy #6 and Jesters #16

Didn’t know Legacy played Jesters
what was the score??
Funny the Jesters claim to fame is a scrimmage. that’s funny.
Legacy should have been ranked higher than Jesters

Legacy is ranked higher than Jesters. At best Jesters are the 4th best team on the island. Smoke and mirrors they have 4 UA girls that the evaluator their Dad coach selected. Only one girl was a legit UA player and it showed in the tournament.

Takes more than 1 player to beat a stacked team like them. TG player wasn’t on Jesters when this game went down In July. Draw circle was dominated by Jesters and defense made the difference. Full game is on UTube. Watch for yourself. Let’s move on.

What makes it a scrimmage and not a game? Because it’s not on Tourny machine? Game was arranged by both directors, was officiated by certified professional refs, in uniform, following all rules.

No, sports neophyte. A “SCRIMMAGE” is like a pre-season game. You might have back-ups playing so a coachcan Evaluate their abilities. A coach might play players out-of-position as there might be too many middies for example. A coach might change up lines to see how they fit. A “SCRIMMGE” is NEVER a GAME. Having Refs there is important so the Coaches are NOT reffing but evaluating. Where have you been??? There was a 1 goal dInference in a Scrimmage.
Finally....I’ll throw you a half bone. The draws were won by the Jester’s, however-coaches daughter would run & gun Down the middle. Might have worked in This Scrimmage but truly UGLY lacrosse !!!

Can I politely suggest that the Long Island parents go make your own forum about your petty rivalries and rankings so that this forum actually becomes a source of information or exchange of ideas about 2023 Girls? If I were a college coach it would be enough to make me rule out recruiting LI kids for awhile. The lacrosse world is much bigger than you guys think.

This is the Long Island Forum and do not think any college coach would rule out Long Island for recruits for any amount of time.

No please don’t do anything differently. This is the only forum that absolutely confirms how obnoxious, petty, and juvenile LI parents really are. We all see it at tournaments, but this provides us with confirmation of the “holier than thou” mentality that exists. Pass the popcorn honey!

This is NOT the LI forum. This is the 2023 Girls forum, hijacked by your BS. It's depressing to think that parents are this small minded and parochial about this great sport.

Pa-leeeze. There is a Maryland thread that I have read ya’all ripping M & D. Don’t Pretend ya’all below the Mason-Dixon Line have any more class. We have seen you at tournaments as well and you are obnoxious.

In a normal non covid year I would agree yiur arguments. But come on. This was finally a game after months of nothing! Your telling me that out of the gate, girls fired up for a little healthy competition after months of no games? You are telling me that these Coaches are going to feel things out ? Experiment with new lines? Assess abilities ? Of whom ? No way. They are putting their horses on the track to have some fun not to mention give the parents some relief from Netflix. Ugly lacrosse - maybe. To be expected after 4 months of nothing.

[quote=Anonymous]Takes more than 1 player to beat a stacked team like them. TG player wasn’t on Jesters when this game went down In July. Draw circle was dominated by Jesters and defense made the difference. Full game is on UTube. Watch for yourself. Let’s move on.

Can't we just let the Jesters have their day. They beat YJ in a scrimmage and tied Capital those are the teams accomplishments. Jesters are never in the top brackets of any tournaments so they want these memories to last.

spot on...Daddy picked his daughter and besties for the roster spots. while sending better players home..other coach did same. that is how sad lax has gotten It is so obvious to all. favors and more favors ..politics at its finest

Agree, he should be ashamed. What a joke of a “coach”! That’s without even mentioning his white trash behavior on the field!

Under Armour Winter Revenge. CSE must be desperate to make up for all the lost revenue from the shortens summer event. Since when does a player that makes the original team have to pay ?

Even if parents are willing to pay for this tournament, travel restrictions/quarantine rules for many make this unrealistic. Most can't quarantine for 10-14 days for work, and kids with winter sports can't afford to miss 10-14 days of practices when they return. In a normal winter, it is not an issue to hop on airplane for the weekend to attend a camp or showcase BUT this is not a normal winter!

We were at VA Beach and we are not entertaining this at all neither are any of our teammates.

Why is everyone anonymous on here? Talking garbage about 15 year old girls and their teams? Truly pathetic. Trash talking about 10th grade lacrosse? Parents on here talking garbage need to move on. How about supporting these players and this sport. Why not talk about good training that you received? Good things you heard about programs? Good tournaments and the fun supportive things about the sport.
Really need to get things in perspective! No matter what team you are on. Everyone is trying to do their best.

Edited my post? Why is everyone anonymous on here?

Agreed. And NO ONE is anonymous here. Every post has an ip attached. Yep even the nasty slanderous ones......

👇🏻THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!

So if some posts are horrible(they are) why are you as a moderator approving them ? Pretty hypocritical if you ask me

Because this is America not Communist China.

America... Land of the Free.... Home of the Anonymous pot-stirrers

CALLBACK ACADEMY NOW OPEN TO ALL!

So sad to see CSE completely gut the US All American series. They couldn’t leave a good thing alone, got money hungry and had to ruin a good thing. OPEN TO ALL, that’s all you need to hear to tell you where this is going.

Cause it’s a joke and a money grab!!! Wake up!

sad thing it wasn't you got the best kids from all regions. I know people will say politics make it hard to make the regional teams, and while that might be true, if the kid is legit they are making callback game at least.

Been reading the comedy play out here. As a college coach, best to keep negative comments to yourself. Yes, these are anonymous posts, but draws attention. As a coach, I watch players, but I am also very observant of parents on sidelines. Most of your daughters will be recruited, but if you want them at a D1 program your shenanigans on the sidelines and here will keep them from being selected. Yelling at refs or coaching players during games is detrimental to their recruiting. We watch it all. And yes, we glance at these forums too.

Top players shine. If you’re a top player, we are going to see you. It doesn’t matter what team, Maryland, New York, Connecticut, etc. Rankings are moot. Parents and teenagers place entirely too much stock into them. We select the girl we need for the position we need.

**crickets**

🤣🤣🤣

Finally 😂

With the High School season being in jeopardy, I think showcases are a must. Does anyone know of any good showcases to go to where we can get film and exposure to good colleges (virtually and in person)? Thanks

There wont be coaches ( D1 & D2) in person until at least April when the dead period ends...Do what you can & go where you can to get on film....

D1’s are the only division not permitted to recruit in person and the exception of some schools (depends on their conference). Division 2 and Division 3 programs are allowed in to recruit in person. With that said, here is a showcase taking place locally in three weeks. New York Showcase

We've had a few tournaments this fall where we got some film. Tell me why I need to risk a trip to Florida only to have to quarentine for 2 weeks for school upon returning? Im in MD.
If high school ball is cancelled, Im sure there will pop-up tournaments for more film? Or even a pop-up league. Lets just get there first.

If HS does get cancelled, then the coaches will not be permitted to 'Evaluate' players until they extend the new dead period which very well could be in jeopardy and extended through June 1 from what I have heard. Now Flying to Florida is crazy but attending local events like the College Bound Laxers events and their NY Winter Showcase would be a great way to get in front of it (just in case anything happens), plus, it doesn't hurt to get more experience and more exposure. And mark my words, HS lacrosse (except the CHSAA) will be cancelled unfortunately (well at least here on LI)

If HS does get cancelled, then the coaches will not be permitted to 'Evaluate' players until they extend the new dead period which very well could be in jeopardy and extended through June 1 from what I have heard. Now Flying to Florida is crazy but attending local events like the College Bound Laxers events and their NY Winter Showcase would be a great way to get in front of it (just in case anything happens), plus, it doesn't hurt to get more experience and more exposure. And mark my words, HS lacrosse (except the CHSAA) will be cancelled unfortunately (well at least here on LI)

Mark your words? Have you seen that the World Health Organization changed the criteria for testing positive for Covid what a coincidence just as Biden takes office. The covid cases will take a drastic dip. According to the WHO get tested when you have symptoms plus you need 2 positive test to be considered covid positive. Also the PCR has been changed from 40 to 30 which will drop numbers big time. Everyone will be playing this year and the dead period will be lifted in April.

Great news!! HS sports will resume Feb1!! Glad all you negative Nellies were proven wrong! Just in time for recruiting. 2021 looking better everyday!

Mark your words huh. HS sports should find ways to compete and not be bullied into not playing by useless politicians.

Who are you using for private lessons?

if you are looking for good training then go to jesters the girls directors are nice ladies who know the game and will make it a great experience.

[quote=Anonymous]if you are looking for good training then go to jesters the girls directors are nice ladies who know the game and will make it a great experience.

Lol. Way to self promote.

yes we will dirt the Smiths because we are jealous that she was the greatest player ever from LI, and then we will continually post on Instagram about some great clinic for only $250

Jesters played TG today? Score?

If the Jesters won it would be posted already. Everywhere. To anyone who'd listen. And if it was close, they'd be complaining about bad calls or whatever.

Crickets mean they TG crushed them.

Was there for the CSH game. TG beat them 11-9 (I think) seemed like a good game from what I could see.

Alaimo at it again! LOL
Stop with the nonsense and just sign your name instead of going anonymous

watched it on live stream - great game! Jesters jumped out to 2-0 lead. Top Gun then started to find themselves and figured out how to beat the pressure. Top Gun had lead at half 6 - 5. Top Gun maintained lead throughout 2nd half while game went back and forth and held a one goal lead - up 9 - 8 late in the second half. Jesters down by one began to extend needing the ball but unable to do so and TG scored a couple late to put it away 11-8. It was a great game with great talent all over the field! Game is on you tube - worth the watch!

[quote=Anonymous]watched it on live stream - great game! Jesters jumped out to 2-0 lead. Top Gun then started to find themselves and figured out how to beat the pressure. Top Gun had lead at half 6 - 5. Top Gun maintained lead throughout 2nd half while game went back and forth and held a one goal lead - up 9 - 8 late in the second half. Jesters down by one began to extend needing the ball but unable to do so and TG scored a couple late to put it away 11-8. It was a great game with great talent all over the field! Game is on you tube - worth the watch!

12-8 final

Did anybody attend the Athletes Unlimited tryouts yesterday?

Good game. Jesters was a good defensive team with no superstars. They also had a lot of trouble on the draw, which cost them. They were out played the majority of the game. Coach does a lot of yelling! Was fun

Jesters have a long way to go. It was only close because of bad calls. Dirty play

Dirty play, YOUR A TROLL. It was a chippy game by both teams and I would think at that level it’s expected.

Is American Select or Under Armor being positioned as the team to tryout for? The Yellow Jackets are involved in both

TG killed Jesters on the draw. Wasn't even close

Is that because TGs former "best player" who thought grass would be greener isn't the best player anymore when not surrounded by great teammates? Jesters need to lose the nasty attitude they have and play the game with dignity. You were supposed to lose, and did.

Let's get a truly unbiased account on Massapequa Jesters and TG game!

Good game, jesters came out strong and went up quick.
Defense was looking good. TG made adjustments, about half way through the first half TG dominated the race off circle and was really not in any danger of losing the game in the second half.
Very good game, a little chippy by both teams. TG was the better team!

The better team won.

Draw pushed the ball same place all game. jesters wings got out played and no adjustments made. Scrappy battle all game by both teams. Some bad calls for both. Good talent both sides.

Calm down Jerry C. Its just one game, move on.

Was this the championship? What other teams played in this tournament? YJ?

Jesters beat YJ already that’s old news.

Jesters don’t take this bait can’t we just be happy that we have some really good teams on island? Top Guns,YJ, Legacy, and yes jesters. That’s all that counts smart college coaches should be out watching as these teams battle all summer.

I'm really impressed with how well I called that. 12-8 = crickets. And, of course, the complaints about the bad calls came anyway.

I disagree, it was only a close game because the wing girl for Top Gun is 6'3 and was able to gain possession off the circle with her height. That was the difference in the game. TG with all those possessions off the draw and still only won a close game! Jesters will beat Top Gun this summer! YJ will be prepared and won't let that happen! Yes i'm a YJ parent and I said it, got a problem w that?

Jesters last 2 games against Long Island 23 teams were against TG and Legacy
Both multiple goal losses but definitely not blowouts.
jesters can play. They proved they are better than all the Tier 2 LI teams like Elevate and Liberty
YJ and TG are the best (in that order). followed by Legacy and then Jesters.

YJ has yet to beat TG, not sure how you put them ahead. Both have some the top LI players. Difference is that TG plays as a team, YJs are all out for themselves, which has been their problem for years. The UA team will have about 3 from each, Jesters will have two since their coach picks, Legacy one. Rest will be ‘22s

Takes more than one tall girl! I think you should be more worried about Jesters beating you again. TG already handled them and will again if needed. Hopefully the games can stay clean. Some players need to stop cheap hits when they get frustrated. Will be a fun season, looking forward to some great lacrosse!

How can you beat a team you never play??
since the merger with Igloo, YJ has never played TG
make statements that are true.
Like YJ has not lost one game, not once since the merger.
I said GAME; they have been to about 5/6 tourneys as a team and still have not been defeated.

The issue with UA is that with those coaches they will take a few Jesters and some girls from Elevate 22; neither has any girls that are worthy of making that team if the best girls on LI tried out. Now I think a lot of girls will bypass UA this year and attend AS which is broken up by year.
The word is that the top teams in MD, upstate and CT are promoting AS over UA;

When is the last time TG played YJ???
believe was at Nationals when Igloo won the whole thing.
Where are those top girls from igloo now??
ohh on YJ. so basically TG and this YJ team have never played.

Some rosters may have changed, but TG has beaten both Igloo and YJ, so until a game proves otherwise, TG is the best 2023 team on LI. It's been a fun rivalry, but at this time, it's more about playing well as a team in front of college coaches. Some really talented girls on all the rosters!

TG
YJ
Legacy/Jesters
The rest

Should we go by your poll or what USA lacrosse and every other colin poll has out there?????

YJ Thorn the unanimous #1 team in the country in all 3 polls
ohhh wait you got them behind TG who is NOT in top in any of them and on average around 6-8
It’s YJ
then everyone else.

Just watch it on YouTube

Top Guns 23 vs Top Guns 22 for the championship

TG was never in danger of losing the game. 2-0 turned into 6-2 quite quickly.

You would be a YJ parent

You mean the COVID poll?? Where several TG girls didn't even play, including the tall girl? Strange how YJ 23s didn't even play in there own winter league, while the 24s did? I'm sure YJ and TG will get a chance to meet on the field this summer. Will be fun!

Call it what you want; you are the one who tried to say TG was the best. I just go by the information that US club lax outs out and YJ is on top. YJ was missing a starting attackman to a torn ACL all fall, and were missing plenty of other girls who opted out cause of covid like their starting goalie. Guess you dont need excuses when you go out there and win.
you lost your best player to Jesters and now claim you were missing girls.....TG issue always been zero depth. Hopefully they play each other this summer, and it wont matter what your poll or the official poll says. good luck on sept 1 when it really matters!

Don't think that's the best player anymore. Did you watch the game? 100% replaced. TG is healthy and ready. See you this summer. Good luck to all the girls on their HS teams!

OH STOP! The kid is beast, nothing has changed. Funny how ppl want to tear down the kid who put in the time and the work. Not my kid OR team, but she's a VERY talented kid.

We shall see if YJ can live up to the #1 ranking. Lord knows they have been trying to get in the top 10 the last 3 years. Covid has pushed them to the “top” when most teams did not play any real summer or fall tournaments. The tournaments that were played were a shell of most teams. Hopefully everyone, on every team, is healthy come Elite 8 time.

Exactly. kid is a great player; don’t tear her down to try to make TG look better.

Bottom line..kid left TG and got burned against her former team. She looked great playing with great girls, not so much at this game. Nobody can play by themselves. Wishing her a great HS season.

Man you must have issues putting down a 16 year old kid. It’s actually scary some of these comments. The kid can play and I am sure the only thing you can play is in the bathroom by yourself.
🤔

I cant believe this tread. My daughter proudly plays on top guns. Playing on the top gun team she has become a way better lax player. She has learned to play unselfishly as a team player. Because of the great coaching and talent of players on her team she is hoping to be recruited and enjoys the game at a higher level. Yes we lost a great player, yes we have many more to step right up. Our team is still solid! . If her team loses to YJ I will be proud and if they win I will be proud. Yes we want to win! There are so many talented players on LI they have to play on different teams to all get playing time. As a community its embarrassing we cant acknowledge Jesters improvement and welcome them as a new contender. Acknowledge Legacy for their rise to the rankings. We should be happy LI can have four strong teams and represent ! If they play a solid game without mistakes be proud they won and they shouldn't have to feel like losers became they lost a game. Most people on here should be embarrassed with their comments and be happy to watch their child play good lax! In my opinion Top Guns hands down best team and best program - my daughter plays for them proudly!

Top guns are hands down the best team.
Apparently, you don’t follow the scores and polls.
YJ hasn’t lost a game since the merger. Not one game.
Beat the old #1 M&D 4 times while TG went 1-2 against them.

Those are COVID scores. Lots of kids missing. Let's base rankings on a true season. The bottom line, YJ has NEVER beaten TG. And this is despite the fact that you had to combine with two other clubs just to become competitive!

Igloo beat TG
YJ hasn’t played TG in over 3 years
nice try.

Why is it a nice try? Igloo beat TG yes. Igloo does not exist anymore. YJ did not ever beat TG. Talk to me after you beat TG

You completely missed the point of the post!! . My daughter is playing where “I believe” is best program hands down overall for me and im assuming your daughter is yj and you believe thats best for you. Awesome. They will all play hard and work it out on the field and the parents should appreciate the competition instead of bashing each other. The kids follow your lead and it so much more then lax we teach them. Hope to see you on the field in elite 8- oh and good luck for long island with two teams in elite 8. Win or lose i will not knock your team or boast!. Im still betting on TG. See you on the field.

Bottom line is you need meds. She’s one of the hardest working girls I know, she deserves all the praise and hype that’s given. People like you looking to bring an nice, humble, talented kid down due to one game are just flat out pathetic.
I look forward to watching a very successful college career for this kid.

Anyone can have an off game, I’m sure she will be an All-County player for her HS team. As far as Jesters, I’m sure she will adjust to playing with a new group.

Reading these posts and I understand the competitiveness of it all to be the best, and yes it is important no matter what we say notIntelligent or smart. Winning is KEY!!! However the most important thing at the end of the day ; is my son or daughter in the best spot club wise to get recruited. Now it is not subjective to say YJ sends the most girls to the best programs/schools year in and year out. Unbiasly that is 100% truth. TG may even be better some years and they have shown that they are a top tier club, but at the end of the day look at the college rosters and for every TG girl at a top program there are 3 or 4 YJ girls. Now that being said, when I look at past years it seems that the top 5-7 girls on TG and the top 11-13 girls on YJ go to the best programs in the country. I am talking top 10. YJ's whole A team year in a year out go to the who's who of college lacrosse. The B team has 3-5 players that do the same, and prob 75-80% of the B team go to Div 1 programs and the rest go to NESCAC's and other D# and D2 schools. TG's bottom half of the roster is usually more like the YJ B team.
Now this is just based off the past years; each year, girl, and situation is unique in itself, but from this you can gauge some sort of probability.. If your daughter is the top middie at TG black then its fair her phone will be ringing off the hook on Sept 1. Get ahead of the game right now, and make sure you are sending out emails and making sure your girl is on the radar of the coaches she would love to play for. Let them say No she isnt good enough or we arent interested...... These next 5 months are the biggest months of your daughters life....... her decision on where she attends college and plays lacrosse or doesn't play will be one of the biggest decisions she ever makes. Enjoy the journey and I wish all your girls the best of luck! Remember there are so many great schools out there at the division 1, 2 and 3 level; find the one where she will be happiest not where you would be most proud.

I can believe there people here putting down a 16 year old girl that is one of the best lax players on the island. Straight up, you need a punch in the mouth!

Reading these posts and I understand the competitiveness of it all to be the best, and yes it is important no matter what we say notIntelligent or smart. Winning is KEY!!! However the most important thing at the end of the day ; is my son or daughter in the best spot club wise to get recruited. Now it is not subjective to say YJ sends the most girls to the best programs/schools year in and year out. Unbiasly that is 100% truth. TG may even be better some years and they have shown that they are a top tier club, but at the end of the day look at the college rosters and for every TG girl at a top program there are 3 or 4 YJ girls. Now that being said, when I look at past years it seems that the top 5-7 girls on TG and the top 11-13 girls on YJ go to the best programs in the country. I am talking top 10. YJ's whole A team year in a year out go to the who's who of college lacrosse. The B team has 3-5 players that do the same, and prob 75-80% of the B team go to Div 1 programs and the rest go to NESCAC's and other D# and D2 schools. TG's bottom half of the roster is usually more like the YJ B team.
Now this is just based off the past years; each year, girl, and situation is unique in itself, but from this you can gauge some sort of probability.. If your daughter is the top middie at TG black then its fair her phone will be ringing off the hook on Sept 1. Get ahead of the game right now, and make sure you are sending out emails and making sure your girl is on the radar of the coaches she would love to play for. Let them say No she isnt good enough or we arent interested...... These next 5 months are the biggest months of your daughters life....... her decision on where she attends college and plays lacrosse or doesn't play will be one of the biggest decisions she ever makes. Enjoy the journey and I wish all your girls the best of luck! Remember there are so many great schools out there at the division 1, 2 and 3 level; find the one where she will be happiest not where you would be most proud.[/quote]

Good advice. Will be an exciting time to the girls. I’m sure many rivals will wind up on the same college team. Good luck to all!

Not true. YJ lost to Jesters late last summer and that was before they got TG best player

it was never 6-2. It was Jesters 2-0, it was Jesters 3-1 and it was 7-6 at half Watched it on livestream and I also heard that most of Jesters team had field hockey and high school game previously that day,,,,, maybe they ran out of gas. You should worry more about Jesters and less about us cause YJ is the team to beat! We are #1 for a reason

[quote=Anonymous]it was never 6-2. It was Jesters 2-0, it was Jesters 3-1 and it was 7-6 at half Watched it on livestream and I also heard that most of Jesters team had field hockey and high school game previously that day,,,,, maybe they ran out of gas. You should worry more about Jesters and less about us cause YJ is the team to beat! We are #1 for a reason

Lol. I watched the live stream. I heard many Jesters had other activities. Sounds creepy following a team other than your daughters that closely.

Good luck to all and enjoy the ride.

Comparing the Jesters to YJ is very very insulting to YJ
Jesters lost to multiple games in that cantiague league.
They are very good B team or an average A team (your choice). When are you going to stop putting all your claim to fame on a scrimmage during quarantine!
Since then YJ has played M&D black 4 times (previous #1), Monster Purple, MD United East and many other teams ranked above Jesters and guess how many times the lost??
ZERO
Who has Jesters defeated since that day?? Not Legacy, Not TG, Not GC, please tell us?? Nobody

did elevate really lose to 2025 B team?

LOL typical YJ Parent!!!! So you lose to Jesters but that's now a scrimmage but you beat M&D when they didn't have everyone during covid but that was real? LET ME BREAK IT TO YOU! Your game with Jesters was no scrimmage - it was a game with both teams and full rosters with refs. Did the thought ever cross your mind that maybe you beat M&D cause they were missing players and you lost to Jesters cause your 23 team is not that good! Well, THAT'S the hard truth. The Jesters 23 team is better than yours and so is TG. You can't even beat Eagle Stix!!!!

10 years later in 2031....... My daughters travel team was the best ever.... They beat everyone even those pesky YJ/TG/Jesters/M&D girls. It was the best time of my life!!!!!

While this is very entertaining, I can't wait until you all realize that college coaches could care less about your club teams ranking or who they beat or didn't beat. There will be kids on the #1 team that don't get recruited and there will be kids on an unranked team that do. That's just how it works. Just be thankful that you get to watch your kids play win or lose. It will be over before you know it.

WELL SAID!
except most travel coaches will do anything to win a game including sitting your daughter all weekend for a win

Yes! This is true because there is a whole group of 2nd grade parents who get lured in by the "best team" It's not about recruiting, it's about business.

Exactly, stop trying to tear individual players, teams, clubs, coaches etc... down in an effort to elevate your daughter, her team, club etc... For most of us this sport is used to keep our daughters healthy and involved in a team sport that can teach many life lessons. There are tremendous opportunities out their, help your daughter find the one that is right for her.

probably not true , but nothing wood surprise me

Yes, elevate lost to 2025 YJ Janelli

Elevate is now a “B” club at best. It does not train its girls and it shows with no lacrosse IQs and terrible stick skills. Not fair to the girls! That is why their 2023 “A” team lost to a 2025 YJ team, Sad! I feel so bad for those girls!

If Elevate is going to take top dollar from the families, they need to actually teach and train the girls! Hire some real coach’s! Not volunteer Moms/Dads. It’s not PAL

i didn’t know brown offered degrees in fraud

Ha! That's best comment yet!!

LMAO!!!!!🤣 Hey Elevate, stop taking money for a product you are not providing!

Does anyone know anything about the NYS Regional lacrosse event? Is it worth/important to tryout for? So much stuff going on, trying to decide what stuff is best for my daughter to try out for? Being in HS, and getting to recruiting age, what should girls be looking to do?

UA, American Selects, NYS Regionals?

[quote=Anonymous]Does anyone know anything about the NYS Regional lacrosse event? Is it worth/important to tryout for? So much stuff going on, trying to decide what stuff is best for my daughter to try out for? Being in HS, and getting to recruiting age, what should girls be looking to do?

UA, American Selects, NYS Regionals?

UA and American Select are the same weekend. The A players will be going to UA. After the tryout fee there is no additional cost unlike American Select.

The UA coaches dropped the ball. UA tryout date is now the same day as the NYS Regional games in Albany. So all the LI players can no longer even tryout for the new Empire State Games. So selfish! This event is the BEST recruiting opportunity for any NY player. Having to choose now and how many will actually get picked for UA? Shame on UA.

thought those NYS dates were changed

Tryouts outs are June 22 for Suffolk and June 24 for Nassau.

UA changed again.

Lots of 2023 leading their varsity teams. A very strong group of girls!

new date? when ?

UA 150 rosters out....not sure I buy into the independence of selection. 16 Skywalkers players? 9 M&D Black? .... Only 2 YJ Thorn, 2 CT Grizzlies, 4 LI Top Guns.

probably because the UA150 is in Skywalkers/MND backyard, and not many girls from Long Island applied.

Last year the 23's had a lot more players from CT

And then they realized they were BOSS and didnt have to come this way too much anymore!

Here we go again....

Why would anyone bother

Just took a look at the rosters (23 Mom).
Meh on the names.
Bottom 1/2 of the rosters with a sprinkle of clout.

It's the same time as the National HS Championships. Only players from our club team participating in UA 150 are those whose hs teams not going to the tournament. My daughter was waitlisted initially and then offered a spot. Turned it down because of hs tournament.

US Club Lax is doing that super-corny “the People’s Champion” again. It just put them in a very awkward spotlight.
Please tell your girls not to do that and to all the moms out there: stop nominating your kid.

People's Champion what does that even mean?

Why, what's the harm?


An internet popularity contest.. to be nominated means nothing, to win means nothing.. totally harmless

Maybe for “2028’s” but for high school girls? They’re practically adults in the world of lacrosse. Silly.

Is the People’s champion the best girl in the age group?

No, its whose mom or dad is the best at social networking for their daughters. My daughter wont even let me post of pic of her on my "FB".

Why would anyone bother[/

UA 150 is very watered down. With so many tourneys this summer and UA, AS, or even Empires. Not many 23 kids from Thorn applied. I can’t speak on TG or others but i think fair to say if you are on Thorn or TG black you would have been picked

I originally posted and my post was edited. I'll try again. It's a money grab. It's a waste of time. None of the better girls are doing it.

My daughter is on bandits and we were nervous going into the combo with 91. She attended a training yesterday and met some of the 91 coaches and left so tired but excited. She mentioned that coach Claire and coach Sam Tilts were so supportive and pushed her. She even followed Coach T on Instagram as soon as she left the clinic. Does anyone train with either of the two women? Wondering if anyone else has had good experiences with them and if they know what they charge for private lessons?