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Dont be jealous. Just calling it like it is.

You’re welcome.

Just in case you need to be reminded who reigns supreme...

Lol.... Hogan barely knows what a computer is. Doubt he knows how to access this childish forum.

Annapolis Hawks win 4 out of 6 elite divisions. 4 teams undefeated.

He may not know what a computer is but he knows how to lead and win. You won’t see any Hawks parents complaining about him!

darn so no FCA or Looney’s lol

Winners:

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/page/show/6335081-spring-2021-ghclc-champions

If you detest Matt Hogan, you’re just tired of losing. He’s the antithesis of the Madlax guy. Or Millon. That guy was quietly on the sideline of every single Hawks game today, guiding those teams to 4 undefeated championships in the highest divisions. There’s no better program in the country.... and if you don’t believe they have multiple showcase teams brewing, a la the 2022 And 2023 Hawks, enjoy being 2nd fiddle. If you want to play with the best, on the best teams in the land, you should be traveling to try out for the Hawks. Period. No flashy gear, almost zero social media, just flat out elite fundamental lacrosse preparing kids to play at the next level and beyond. Jake Carraway? All over TV this weekend, 2016 Hawks. Got beef with one of Hawks coaches? Then you don’t get it. Beef with a Hawks parent? 99% of them you’d love. It’s the 1% that people detest. Kinda like society today..

Personally, I’ve had great interactions with Madlax folks, next level folks, Crabs folks. The FCA parents seem to be the worst actually—a club that won zero in HOCO this weekend.

Don’t put your kid on a club showcasing one kid, put them on the top club showcasing a Whole team. Well, if they can make it...

Great HOCO season. Well run, great new website, fields were great. Thank you Howard county!

What's going on with 2027AA?

The GHCLC site says MadLax beat Cavs 1-0, and that the championship game will be played today.

The Cavs FB page says the 2027 Cavs are the champions - and it has a photo of them holding the trophy in front of the blue banner like all the other championship photos.

So what happened? They beat ML and won the championship but then the outcomes were changed to a forfeit? And the championship game had to be replayed?

Essentially this...

Then why replay it? Cavs should have to forfeit.

They replayed the finals WITHOUT Cavs... So they did forfeit.

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GHCLC opened up registration for the Fall 2021 League. Will it be more like the Spring league (multiple divisions)? Or will it be run like last year with only 2 divisions in each age group?

Depends on the interest.
Can't split a league that has just 4 teams into 5 divisions.

Just saw that East Side Lacrosse will now be True DC. #WeTrainHarder

Locusts. Looking forward to more mediocre neon green and black teams next year!

#WeRosterAnyone

The animosity for the TRUE program cracks me up. If you don't agree with how they do things, don't have your kid play for them. If you don't have a player in the program, and you don't view them as a threat- why bother trashing them? Seems simple enough.

I agree . Don’t understand why people detest them so much. I thought only program people hated was hawks.

Maybe its the Annapolitans in general that they detest? Go Army, Beat Navy?

Hawks at least win. THe other palce is no-cut rec-level lacrosse. Pay to play lacrosse at it worst.

Worst Money Grab Club, Just awful. Which is really saying alot as all clubs are money grabs to some degree.

Any insight into which 2026 lacrosse teams will be playing in the Fall League?

Everyone but Hawks

There is no fall league. Check the website. Just doing a one day fall play day.

I dont know. There are some bad money grabs out there.

I think True has a place in the lacrosse landscape. Just know their business model.

Here in MD, it is generally a club "experience" for kids (and parents) who might to struggle to make club teams otherwise. Essentially, if you want to sign up, you can. Never heard of cuts and I know they accept players all year long.

The HQ has been buying Rec level, low-level club programs that used to cost $400-900 per year. Infuses new life by creating new green and black logos and signs those same kids up for about $2000+.

Many of the teams here compete in the A or B (i.e: Rec-level) club division. There are opportunities for their local players to make a state or national team. I hear anecdotally that those opportunities are quite limited. And of varying quality. I believe the MD team went winless in the WSYL qualifiers? Perhaps someone else that knows for sure can speak to that. I saw other True state teams get manhandled in the Hogan tournaments this year. But maybe they were just having a bad weekend. That like every other club or age group can vary.

They will also offer committed kids more training "opportunities." Generally for additional fees.

There is certainly a market for everyone. If that's what your child needs and is looking for, I am fairly certain you can find a roster spot any time of the year. Just reach out.

Basically what you are saying , True is a rec program most of time at Club costs. ...Or as most say...A Money Grab. But at least you can say you play Club !

The registration for fall league ended, schedule hasn't been published yet.

The registration for fall play-day is open.

I have a True "Whodunnit" for the HoCo thread.

A True team lost several starters before HoCo. They (illegally?) brought up another goalie from another True HoCo roster and got away with it for 1-2 games. Maybe HoCo cleared it, who knows.

But the big thing they did is bring up a bunch of talented kids from VA, about 3-4 games into HoCo, who really turned around the season for them. I assume these kids will play HoCo for True VA in Spring 2022.

The True coaches insist they told the League (HoCo) about these roster additions mid-season. Then in the playoffs, an opposing coach asked for a roster check and something like 5-6 of the True kids were told to leave because they were NOT on the roster. They were NEVER on the official HoCo roster according to HoCo.

Officially speaking, I'd assume this is the league's fault. I trust that True coaches contacted them with the roster changes.

However from a business perspective, what say ye? Shouldn't the True coaches/staff, holding on to $40K+ for that rostered club, made sure to follow up with the League to make sure "it got done?" Getting the paperwork done is the least exciting part of any management job, we all know that. But it's part of the job in my opinion.

True's opinion is they "got shafted." I have trouble with that....you have paid staff....make sure the job gets done.

What does the angry mob say? Who's to blame here?

Therein lies the beauty of having a large organization that you can pool from when you're short players. Clearly on the squad to update but I'd say a lot of the blame falls to the parents of the players who left just before the start of the season. My son was part of a team collapse between the Winter and Spring where 4 or 5 of the best players double registered with another club (without the initial club knowing) and our coaches were constantly scrambling to find enough bodies just so the middies wouldn't collapse.

Only an issue if those kids are playing for multiple teams in the same league and doing it repeatedly. Or if coaches are stacking with outside help from "guest" players.

Not that hard.... True does what many Clubs do. Nothing unusual. Just that most Clubs dont get called out as its only a tournament.

What grad year is this? Because the odds of True VA having players that would be on par or better than any of the True teams in MD would be highly unlikely.

Which age group? True had at least 2 kids who were double rostered in my son’s year too.

From what I heard it was a 28/29/30 squad that played at B level. I heard the same story about the NoVA kids but not about the goalie rostered on a second team.

So no fall season, just a play day on 9/26?

When my kid started moving through the ranks of club ball, I underestimated the # of parents who were copacetic with "whatever" training and "whatever" results on the field even at "A level" / rec travel level, and would crank open the checkbook........so they could say little Jane and Johnny play "club" ball. There is some level of it all the way up through AAA teams in some years, "yeah we don't win any games but it's elite training!" (but is it?).

Interesting here too that nobody is discussing True Girls Lax which I think suffers the same problems. Tons of training, good PR, coaching seems to be adequate, but don't win a lot of games even against meager/rec competition. I guess to be fair, the girls programs around MD are stacked the same way the boys are, maybe with even a sharper dropoff from Elite to "very not elite."