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Wow, somebody sure has a hard on for VLC. But you are right that they would have a rough time in elite, as would NextLevel, and FCA. I have no clue about 91 but according to this board they have regressed. So should elite be a 4-5 team division this year?

So VLC's fall wins don't prove anything because opponents were not full strength, but for its blowout loss, you assume that VLC had its full team? Ok whatever.

It is interesting that you track the scores so closely of a team that (I assume) your son it not on - why is that?

Your son’s team must be mediocre. VLC is not elite. Just because they are owned by Crabs doesn’t mean they belong in the elite division.

VLC needs more holdbacks. Playing with only 2 holdbacks doesn't help in an elite division where everyone has a lot more.

My son’s team is one of the top in Elite. But... thanks for your opinion.

Your son must be so proud of your maturity talking smack about 12 year old lacrosse players.

Which team do you think he is talking smack about - if it is one of the top in 2026 elite don't you mean 14 year old players?

In 2019 the former API Diamondbacks 2026 team went winless in the top bracket. That team disintegrated during the summer and now gone.

Crabs were 1-6 and FCA 2-5 in 2019. All this info is on the GHOCO website. The rumors from this board insinuate that crabs have reloaded with 2025 kids to compete in spring 2021. FCA may have imploded this Fall.

VLC and Next Level be careful wishing for elite placement. Yeah mommy and daddy will be crowing about how their kid made it to elite but getting drubbed every Sunday will lax off the parents and make the ride home to Fairfax or Bethesda unpleasant for the little guys. If VLC and Next Level have deep rosters with elite players then go for it. If they rely on a few studs and have weak benches then play in the next bracket. No kids have fun losing 15-3

Correct, then the top players on those teams will hit the tryout circuit in August and move on.

It wasn’t an opinion.

Spot on post and thank you for bringing some 'normalcy' to the conversation. I am kind of surprised Crabs 2026 is getting holdbacks now; typically you see this as they enter into their Freshman Year in HS. So my assumption is more will be coming to that 2026 team and the Crabs along with the Hawks will be the two programs competing for the #1 spot. What happened to FCA? Everyone knows this club is a feeder program for Calvert Hall; why the dramatic drop-off? My guess here is this team will reload at some point utilizing the crabs philosophy. Personally I think VLC can compete but Next Level should not be thinking about elite level lacrosse at this age group.

These observations are spot on. So does this mean that HoCo elite will be a 5 team division: Hawks, Crabs, Looneys, BLC, and MadLax?

These observations are spot on. So does this mean that HoCo elite will be a 5 team division: Hawks, Crabs, Looneys, BLC, and MadLax?


Yes...with 91, FCA and VLC being bottom feeders. The other 4 teams above will battle for second place behind MIGHTY HAWKS

Yeah Hawks! And remember, they have "very few" holdbacks and the only reason their kids are bigger and win all the time is that they train so much harder.

4 Hold backs. I think at this point they have been identified by birthdate position and shoe size on this thread and New York. You should probably focus on your sons team and stop letting another program live in your head rent free all day.

The names and birthdates of the boys on the Hawks roster have never been identified on any internet thread, and for obvious reasons, they never will be.

holdbacks:

1. Hawks 4
2. Looneys 6
3. Crabs 6
4. Madlax 5
5. BLC 6
6. 91 5
7. FCA 3

looking forward to all those 2025 dads coming in soon!

Why dont you just ask the parents on the sideline. Most of them will tell you and heck they will tell you why. its not some secret that anyone needs to keep just like Crabs, FCA and Looneys this has been happening for years. If you tell me they dont do it on Long Island just look at the 91 Crush video and tell me several big name kids are clearly stated 2022 and then just committed as 2021 this year

The Hawks dad was being sarcastic

Not exactly; he was saying that the "four holdback" narrative has been repeated by so many Hawks Dads on so many threads that it should be accepted fact. The reply was saying that the kids' ages have not been and never will be proven, so people can decide whether Hawks Dads on anonymous boards are a credible source.

If you look at the New York thread and this thread it has been identified at least twice on each as a defender, a middie and 2 attackman. Someone was crazy enough to list their birth dates as well. If you can't take that for what it is then good luck. The original post was sarcasm. It is brought up so many times it won't be hard to find.

This is the densest post ever.

One kid said "it was my holdback year" when he was referring to joining that team

Well thought out list with an investigative mindset.

This list is pretty accurate.

More accurate when you add + 10 holdbacks per team

Each team is closer to a 50% holdback plus or minus a player or two. Not that hard

My son plays on one of these listed teams and they are not participating in the WSYL due to the amount of holdbacks on the team. The only team that is playing to my knowledge are the Annapolis Hawks. 🤔

Not all of them

[quote=Anonymous]holdbacks:

1. Hawks 4
2. Looneys 6
3. Crabs 6
4. Madlax 5
5. BLC 6
6. 91 5
7. FCA 3


Just because you are a holdback it doesn’t mean you are an impact player.

Sometimes the on age players are the ballers. Go on YouTube and watch a tigers XXVI game if you don’t believe me.

Their team was put together solely to participate in WSYL and they destroyed a holdback Madlax team this past fall.

Now when a team goes from being non competitive to a top two team overnight like the Crabs did, then you know the holdbacks they added are the big difference.

So if your team is great because of your holdbacks, enjoy your time in the sun. It will vanish in less than 24 months and we will be having a different conversation then about who the best teams are.

Am I wrong?

Let’s hear from the parents with older boys that have already been through the puberty journey.

Has anyone done a IMG academy camp and seen an improvement?

No

Money grab like most camps.

TLDR

Didnt Tigers also get destroyed by Sweetlax and LI Express?

Tigers also beat Hawks lol

Two teams that also do not have holdbacks. New York teams with mostly public school on age kids. Typically not held back until they repeat 8th grade.

Gotcha. So holdbacks are ok if you do them like that.

Once. Tigers have also last to the Hawks, a bunch.