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Couldn't agree more. My son was on PT from the fourth grade through graduation and he absolutely loved it. My experience was that it was as well run an organization you could ask for and the coaching was top notch.

2Way Black is the AA team as Carolina is the A team.

You might be a little out of touch with current reality. Ytown has lost its leadership and along with it, its enviable team play and superiority. Once its gone, very hard to get back.

Stop with the nonsense of Yorktown being so great. Reality is that last year they were worse than John Jay, Mamaroneck, and Rye. In the future, Rye, Mamaroneck and even teams like Bronxville will be better, with more young talent than Yorktown.

Why all the Y bashing? How about we give them credit for running a youth program that a lot of towns have modeled. Yorktown is mostly a blue collar town and parents do not have the resources to have their kids play on an elite travel team, The sport has evolved greatly since the 80,s and 90,s.
Kids these days are much better athletes. There was no such thing as speed and agility training back then. There is no doubt that other programs have caught up and possibly over taken Yorktown, but 1 or 2 mediocre seasons cannot take away years of success.

Yorktown has had the better players but has been out coached in recent years. Watch the last two Section finals, especially the most recent or just ask the JJ coaches, they will tell you. I am a long time Yorktown resident.

I agree with this sentiment and Rye and Mamaroneck should be dominant this year. The traditional powerhouses just don't have the same talent anymore. I cant speak for Yorktown but if you look at John Jay for years they were sending 5-10 kids a year to D1 and top D2 and D3 programs yearly. Last year they had one D1 commit and this year they have a one D1 commit as well. The 2022 class has zero commits to date. Eventually I am sure they will have a commit or two but the bottom line is in years past they has many players go on to top schools. Maybe its a temporary blip but times are a changing and the traditional powerhouses will be relying more on coaching if they don't have the talent..

Just a quick reminder, John Jay was in The state finals last lacrosse season and Yorktown beat Mamaroneck approx 9-6.
Lots more parity in the section but why the all or nothing comments

Yorktown beat Rye that same season 8-4 and lost to JJ 7-6 after hitting 5 posts in the 2nd half of the sectional final
Important to keep some perspective

Agreed. For Yorktown to even play and beat these teams in competitive games may be doom and gloom for Ytown but until south westchester actually win a game, it's forum talk.

Any good clinics for over the break? For a 2024 pole?

you should follow Ric Beardsley on Instagram. Hi is having at least two next week abd im sure they are both sold out.

He often comes back to the area and conducts long pole clinics

Anyone have info on last night's Zoom meeting regarding the HV Youth League?

The league is finally considering in making changes and becoming a more structured league with standings and playoffs.

The league has been organized and led by John Hemsley, he does a great job too. But, with the new competitive youth league forming out of SUNY Purchase ($3k per team) and the 800 lb gorilla next door (CONNY), it seems that John is now pressured to make changes.

The elite and affluent programs will excel and the rest will be playing catch-up.

Good Luck John H

Hwy doesn't the HV League join CONNY? It is a really easy, mellow league to be apart of.

Anyone thought about spring rankings for Westchester schools, private and public? Always fun to see drama with rankings. Curious to see how young talent will effect schools two years after we got a good luck at the teams.

How do you rank when no one has even had a practice yet? most "normal" years you can look at returning players for some estimates... This year's seniors last played HS school lax as Sophomores. Most current sophomores have never played in a HS game and a good portion of them haven't held a stick in almost a year even at the club level, some in almost 2. Winter league lax was devoid of most football and basketball players...

I do disagree with your statement that players haven't held a stick in almost a year (or 2). Club lacrosse did not shutdown in 2020.

While I do acknowledge that not all lax players play club ball, but, at least 25% of all section 1 lax players play club ball. Some communities it would be as high as 50% of the team that plays club lax.
I've seen Pelham, Larchmont and Briarcliff playing in a thriving winter HS league in Chelsea piers (CT). Briarcliff looks stacked too!

Also, I'm sure that the traditional programs like JJ, Lakeland, Somers, Mahopac and Yorktown are conducting winter practices.

I'm guessing that your son does play, but you guys are not from a lax town.

"I do disagree with your statement that players haven't held a stick in almost a year (or 2). Club lacrosse did not shutdown in 2020."
"at least 25% of all section 1 lax players play club ball. Some communities it would be as high as 50% of the team that plays club lax."

Re-Read.... especially the part that says "***a good portion***" 50%-75% by your own estimate is "a good portion"

Fair point and I should have analyzed every word.

But seriously, you are not from a lax town. Because your point was how to rank the programs when teams (like your son's) haven't done much.

Well, the tradition rich programs haven't missed a beat and they will remain top dogs and then the majority of programs will be below them.

Doesn't really matter this year anyway, especially since their is no state playoffs. I'm guessing that each team will get 8-10 games and the power teams will all play each other.

My son and his HS team did play at Chelsea Pier CT for the winter league, although his HS wasn't one you mentioned above. The talent that you saw at CPCT does not reflect the true team compositions as many high level Football and Basketball players did not compete in the CP winter league so how can you get a good idea of ranking?
also.. parents were barred from the fieldhouse level at CP so most have no idea how "thriving & stacked" teams looked.
- Agreed that the top 25-50% of kids are fully involved with travel and winter teams... but, especially with travel, the HS teams are disperse across multiple A level programs... my son and his HS classmates (same grade) play for any one of the several Express North, Prime Time, Preds, etc teams... so it's tough to get a good read on say Bronxville HS when their top 10 player are separately on 6 different travel teams.. you'd be shocked at how good our town program is... guaranteed that if we played your town, we won almost every time.... of course we might play for the same "town"

HS schedules are available on BOCES website, but not all games are posted yet.

Y is in a league with Arlington, Pac, Carmel and Wappingers. They Also play JJ and the red head step child. I expect Y to go undefeated.

B'cliff has 4 games posted and the last game is against B'ville; that should be a good game to watch.

Yorktown will not go undefeated this year before playoffs. Already have scheduled games against JJ, Rye, and Bronxville. Good team but will not beat all 3 of those teams.

just be happy the kids will get to play this year!! who cares what the record is

seems like all the top teams from A-D will play one another. Only glaring missing game is Ytown vs Mamo. that would have been a good one to see.

Anyone know how the Westchester players did at Nike Nationals up in Albany ?

Unfortunately, no way to know until rosters came out bc I believe some of the top kids could not make it bc of prep school and inability to leave but I am speculating.

I hope this is the reason for the lackluster play. Seemed to be average play at best and the elite boys in the age group didn't seem to be present. As yes I am saying this as the mother of a good but not elite lacrosse player who tried out.

Like all those things, it has tons of behind-the-scenes politics. 1- whoever coaches the teams pulls in their guys and guys from their region, 2- connected HS coaches influence decision, 3- at this age, reputation starts to matter so guys chosen based on name. Half this team they end up choosing wont have attended evals.

Rosters anyone? Is it all Primetime?

50% pt. Remember. If you live in ct. you could not tryout for ny. Rosters are on the website

I thought this was exaggeration but the 2023 team has 11 PT members out of 22. and the 2024 team is 11/23.

Is it a far reach though to say they have the majority of the best players in NY? Preds 3-4 kids per age group and Express North 3-4 per age group is probably the right regional breakdown.

I just looked at the roster and, boy, the 2022 team from NY is going to get SMOKED down in Baltimore. There are too many teams in LaxNationals. There should be 8-10 teams total.

Unfortunately, what you are seeing is probably going to be the case for most 2022's but especially NY. Many of the stars who have already committed play less lacrosse and want more personal summer time because as rising juniors they played all the time (even with COVID). Also I think it is what another poste noted -- the tryouts were pretty weak.

It does show the hotbeds of lax are still LI and DMV. UA does it as CONNY. Does that make it more competitive? UA combines classes at 8th/9th.......more summer lax. NY should hope to pull Mid America to have a shot at a win.

Sorry, the 2022 NY and CT teams both got defeated this fall in LaxNationals too - it's nothing to do with committed kids playing less. There just isn't enough talent in these areas to field a great team. Granted it was a COVID year so the boarding schools couldn't make the event bc they weren't allowed to leave campus. If UA were run properly with better coaches it would still be the premier event of the summer, but Corrigan tries to make money out of it by not paying coaches. The girls' side does not have this problem.

the only way these tryouts could ever possibly be fair or close to fair is if coaches from other regions picked the teams and even then , its questionable

If it is about putting the best regional team on the field doesn't reputation and past performance (no indicator of future returns) factor in to the tryouts? At this point in the game, from 22-24, you know who the top players are. Will the CT team be all Eclipse and PT kids? Probably but arent those the best kids around?

You folks are a funny!

So...Yorktown loses its best player and JJs best player decides to sit out. What happens next?