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Incorrect. That was the A team. They have about 50 kids. They are supposed to be separating into 2 teams but it doesnt seem so. CoachC kids, if you would call them that, were in there. Not just the fogo kid. I dont think they are ever actually going to seperate those kids into seperate teams. That was just bs. Haugen is coaching with CoachC.

You guys get so cute having to move players around. It's funny.

So do all the parents of the 35 kids on the sideline know that? lol They were missing 5-6 kids. It was the A team. They had 2 2025 kids.
It was the same kids from the scrimmage on Sat minus a few kids.

Every fall this is the excuse for losing - missing kids
Same excuse in the summer - missing kids, they were on vacation because its summer

You all lose because the team isnt that good

No cheating. But it was the A team. All the kids from Sat scrimmage were there. So how is it that there were at least 30 kids (or more) on the sideline. All the parents that forked over $4k were told their kid made the A team. Coach C wanted to beat Legacy after he saw them ranked higher than Express and made sure some of his top kids (that even play on the 2025 team) were there and getting all the playing time.
Maybe if all the A team (the real A Team) were there you would probably beat Legacy. BUT, the 35-40 kids that payed $4k will not see the field. The Legacy kids, all 20/21 of them, see the field for big minutes and will get better PLAYING. Win (which they did) or loose to the mythical AA Express team, the Legacy kids are PLAYING and getting better while you pay $4k for the privilege of maybe the dream of a championship t-shirt and a great view from the sideline.
Also, the sidelines are so crowded that we had to sit 3 deep because of the 40 kids on the Express team.

You can't even spell Express right, but are a 2026 expert. LOL

Wow, sounds like NY is up to some real Shenanigans. Try to get it together like they do down south.

Like i said i am not an Exspress parent , just stating fact, your 100% RIGHT , ANYBODY WHO BOUGHT IN TO THE 40 MAN A TEAM DREAM wasted 4 grand , but i just wanted to clarify this was a b tournament , with the exception of 2024 taz and CoachC 2025 these teams are all b level,,and there is nothing wrong with that , seems as though your taking some ridiculous ranking and a B tourney victory as validation because your kid could not make a better club,,,but you saved 800 bucks ,,did you use your GROUPON ?

When the 2026 bracket contains Tenacious Turtles , Igloo Deep Freeze and Shore 2 Shore and you guys are wondering if this was a B tournament OMG This is why the LI teams have gotten so much worse ..in MD this would be considered a waste of time ..We tell kids who cant catch and throw to play wall ball / LI parents have to love it

That was not LIE's top 2026 team. They had 2 kids from 2025 who are 2026 age but did not have top attack, mid, d and goalies. It was the second group out of the 40 that played yesterday. The Legacy goalie was the difference in the game, he made a number of saves and the post saved him once. Totally anti climactic that they cancelled the championship. Most likely Coach C wanted to rest his 2025's.

It's pretty common if you play a team which will be the team you play in the championship then you agree whoever wins also wins the championship, rather than play 2 games.
And this wasn't the B team. This is the a team with its 40 kids. Haugen is coaching with CoachC. It's supposed to be split into two A teams, but that wont happen. Just words to recruit more kids to pay the 4k.

They are going to go all Fall and Summer with 40?? With 50 minute tournament games,that is a lot of PT for the non starters.

Right like I said not the top team, it's a team with 40 kids that left 10-12 of them home. They should've told the kids before the game it was the championship.

They split the kids up into AA/A and A/B (whatever they need to tell the kids and parents to make them feel better about spending $4500). They have 10-12 kids that are always on the top team... and 10-12 kids always on the second team... everyone else floats. Each kid is supposed to go to 3 fall tourneys.

So what are the 3 tournaments that the top kids should be at for fall? And what are the 3 tourneys the 2nd teams top kids are supposed to be at?

any chance, instead of fall tournaments, the LI team hold a massive tryout for the summer season and field one team?
decent chance they could be competitive...

The A kids will play at TriStar, Elite tourney and NALF. Yesterday was the B team with 2 kids from the A team playing. The parents and kids all know which team they play on and which tournaments the kids are playing in. They all train together and scrimmage together. Say what you want but these are the facts.
The only time you will see all 40 play as a mix is at scrimmages like this past weekend.

So why did 2 A kids play in the tourney yesterday?
I'm assuming the FOGO was one of the A kids. Who was the other?

They are going to go all Fall and Summer with 40?? With 50 minute tournament games,that is a lot of PT for the non starters.
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They split the kids up into AA/A and A/B (whatever they need to tell the kids and parents to make them feel better about spending $4500). They have 10-12 kids that are always on the top team... and 10-12 kids always on the second team... everyone else floats. Each kid is supposed to go to 3 fall tourneys.[/quote]

So what are the 3 tournaments that the top kids should be at for fall? And what are the 3 tourneys the 2nd teams top kids are supposed to be at?[/quote]

The A kids will play at TriStar, Elite tourney and NALF. Yesterday was the B team with 2 kids from the A team playing. The parents and kids all know which team they play on and which tournaments the kids are playing in. They all train together and scrimmage together. Say what you want but these are the facts.
The only time you will see all 40 play as a mix is at scrimmages like this past weekend. [/quote]

So why did 2 A kids play in the tourney yesterday?
I'm assuming the FOGO was one of the A kids. Who was the other? [/quote]

I'm not a coach so I don't know why they played. The FOGO and an attackman wreathe players though. The attackman only played in 1 game.

Next week at Blatant Fall Jam, LI Express Haugen is registered in the 2026 B division. Therefore, I hope CoachC doesn't revert to bringing his A players (including his top 2 2026 A players who are that good enough to play up on the 2025 team). I don't care that Express set this age group in a pool training system. That is fine and up to them. However, if you want to bring A players, then play in the A bracket. Teams and tournaments are set up based on talent and skill. Teams pay good money to put their teams in brackets that are best suited for their skill. Don't revert to winning at all costs and taint your organization's reputation and have your top talented players play in a B division tournament. Other registered teams and Blatant tournament officials should be aware and notified if these players play. More importantly, Express "B" Parents... stop drinking the Kool-Aid and demand that if it is a B tournament, then let the B team kids play.

They split the kids up into AA/A and A/B (whatever they need to tell the kids and parents to make them feel better about spending $4500). They have 10-12 kids that are always on the top team... and 10-12 kids always on the second team... everyone else floats. Each kid is supposed to go to 3 fall tourneys.[/quote]

So what are the 3 tournaments that the top kids should be at for fall? And what are the 3 tourneys the 2nd teams top kids are supposed to be at?[/quote]

The A kids will play at TriStar, Elite tourney and NALF. Yesterday was the B team with 2 kids from the A team playing. The parents and kids all know which team they play on and which tournaments the kids are playing in. They all train together and scrimmage together. Say what you want but these are the facts.
The only time you will see all 40 play as a mix is at scrimmages like this past weekend. [/quote]

So why did 2 A kids play in the tourney yesterday?
I'm assuming the FOGO was one of the A kids. Who was the other? [/quote]

I'm not a coach so I don't know why they played. The FOGO and an attackman wreathe players though. The attackman only played in 1 game.[/quote]

There were a lot of the "A" team kids there. Just ask the 40 sets of parents on the sidelines.

I was at the Saturday scrimmage. 30+ kids stood on the sideline. There was little or no substitution. The fogo kid took every face off. My heart broke for the kids waiting in an endless line going no where. It was a scrimmage after all . 91 26 played them even. It is sad that these parents don’t take their kids somewhere where they will get some playing time. Coach C is shameless. 🤨

So now the top FOGO kid plays for 2025 AA, 2026 A and 2026 B at Express? Totally fair. Not unethical at all. And congrats to Legacy for winning. Coach Cheat was definitely playing to win. No two ways about it.

come on you are better than this

This Express company and coach c really are out of control . But you know who I blame more is the parents drinking the kool-aid paying 4K . Hahaha good for you. Pay and your kid don’t play when are you people going to wake up and boycott this act ?? All this lacrosse stuff is getting out of control . These companies that charge this much I hope one of these days someone drops a dime on all you charging this much and mostly all cash business also including cash clinics. Then you will see prices change . Keep it up . Start doing the right thing .

Thanks for the breakdown legacy goalie dad!

Sounds like winning is more important to him than developing talent. He must not realize that developing talent results in winning.

How much turn over does the LIE 2026 have year to year? I have to imagine that some parents are already regretting their decision.

They have turnover. Kids who come in thinking they will be first string and realize they barely get playing time. Plus kids who get bumped after being on the team for a while. They eventually leave.

But there is always someone starstruck looking to come in because they see how well Express does. And they think there kid must be as good. And the coach plays on that.

Seems like another organization, new or existing should take advantage of this and scoop up some of their disgruntled talent. Form a TEAM, build chemistry, character and skills and dominate the Island. You see teams like that Tigers team, Laxachusetts and of course the Hawks (didnt want to upset any of those dads) come in and dominate. Is there an age difference, yes. Are there holdbacks in addition, maybe. It drives me nuts listening to parents (from my son's team) complain about teams that beat LI teams saying that they are hold backs, older, or aliens. MAYBE it is because they find talent, build the kids up, retain talent and the kids play like a team. Let's try that.

So now the top FOGO kid plays for 2025 AA, 2026 A and 2026 B at Express? Totally fair. Not unethical at all. And congrats to Legacy for winning. Coach Cheat was definitely playing to win. No two ways about it.[/quote]

The FOGO played on all three teams last year also

I am sure that does wonders to develop other FOGO's that could be playing full time.

This was well said.

The FOGO played on all three teams last year also
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What 3 teams?

I agree at least they admit the age difference for once. Add 4-5 2025 aged kids to Express 2026 then play the MD teams and you'll see the tides turned.

How much turn over does the LIE 2026 have year to year? I have to imagine that some parents are already regretting their decision. [/quote]

They have turnover. Kids who come in thinking they will be first string and realize they barely get playing time. Plus kids who get bumped after being on the team for a while. They eventually leave.

But there is always someone starstruck looking to come in because they see how well Express does. And they think there kid must be as good. And the coach plays on that. [/quote]

Seems like another organization, new or existing should take advantage of this and scoop up some of their disgruntled talent. Form a TEAM, build chemistry, character and skills and dominate the Island. You see teams like that Tigers team, Laxachusetts and of course the Hawks (didnt want to upset any of those dads) come in and dominate. Is there an age difference, yes. Are there holdbacks in addition, maybe. It drives me nuts listening to parents (from my son's team) complain about teams that beat LI teams saying that they are hold backs, older, or aliens. MAYBE it is because they find talent, build the kids up, retain talent and the kids play like a team. Let's try that.[/quote]

This was well said.[/quote]

I agree at least they admit the age difference for once. Add 4-5 2025 aged kids to Express 2026 then play the MD teams and you'll see the tides turned.[/quote]

I was referring to the 3 month difference in the cut off for school. and FYI, I am a LI dad. Do you think if our top teams (Express or 91) could bring bring down the few 2025 kids that were born in Oct-Dec that we would suddenly hang with them? I think not. The difference I have seen on the field is greater than 3-4 kids that are a few months older.

What 3 teams? [/quote]

Express 2025 AA, 2026 A and 2027 A

Express 2025 AA, 2026 A and 2027 A[/quote]

wrong fake news no way he plays down below age level

Express 2025 AA, 2026 A and 2027 A[/quote]

Just a blatant lie. He's never played for 2027. Good try though.

Express Dad here. Very disgruntled about what is going on with this Express project. They took 40 kids on a supposed mixed Double AA team. The project is to weed out the less skilled kids to make a super team. That is fine there is no doubt but kid is absolutely a double A player and he will play on the "Super Team". This weekend he may have to play in a B division at Blatant. Thats a shame. how does this make him better and prepared to play Legacy who we just lost t. Haugen a nice guy when CoachC is playing him like a puppet on strings. Haugen has said to some parents he is not happy about the way this whole thing is going but won't fight CoachC on it. Shaking my head. This project is trouble and the Legacy , 91 and the Rebels will reap the rewards at next years tryouts.