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Wonder what happened to the LI Metro 1st team at School girls? They lost 12-4 against a Mass/RI team. That’s not so good.

I think the talent pool on the Island is off from where it has been the past several years. Yes there are some excellent players but overall the pool is not as deep.

Many HS coaches that are regularly in the playoffs do not allow their players to tryout for school girls on LI

I agree with those coaches. What teams are you talking about? Very selfish to go play in school girls if your team is in the playoffs. Me, Me, Me, I, I, I, gotta get mine....
What should we expect? The sport has been ruined by delusional parents who have no understanding of the game or of team sports in general.

“I agree with those coaches. What teams are you talking about? Very selfish to go play in school girls if your team is in the playoffs. Me, Me, Me, I, I, I, gotta get mine....
What should we expect? The sport has been ruined by delusional parents who have no understanding of the game or of team sports in general.”

That’s just ignorant .First off you can only tryout if your coach recommends you . If your coach recommends you then they must be okay with you going . Second , the tryouts are before you know if your high school team has actually made the playoffs . If you are going to the tryouts and make a team and don’t go that’s worse as you have taken the spot from someone . That said schoolgirls is less prestigious than it used to be and a lot of kids don’t tryout for various reasons .The person saying the talent pool has dropped off is clueless.

That very well maybe the case, some coaches don’t let their players try-out but that would be the case every year then and last years team was able to win without the ones who weren’t allowed to try-out.

Talent pool is off.

It’s the same mantra of the clueless dads with older kids , my kids year was so talented but clearly the younger groups are fading . My kid graduated high school in 2016 and the same nonsense was said about her class compared to the 2014 , and 2015 classes . It’s not like LI has won the schoolgirls tournament every year . Last year other states teams were weak because who wants to travel to LI to play which is probably one of the reasons LI did not have some kids try out this year . Stop being ignorant .

My youngest is a 2019. I have been watching since 2011 and the talent is not there relative to the rest of the country. Maybe it is because more kids are playing i don't know why but LI does not have as much top talent as in past years. What team has more depth of high end talent than in the past several years? MS, GC, CHS, Set,WI, SWR, MC, WM, NP, BBP? Maybe ESM but don't think so.

"My youngest is a 2019. I have been watching since 2011 and the talent is not there relative to the rest of the country. Maybe it is because more kids are playing i don't know why but LI does not have as much top talent as in past years. What team has more depth of high end talent than in the past several years? MS, GC, CHS, Set,WI, SWR, MC, WM, NP, BBP? Maybe ESM but don't think so."

If you think the talent pool was deeper on LI in 2011 compared to today you just not paying attention. If you are saying LI does not have the same percent of top players as compared to the rest of the country , I agree and 2011 had less of a percentage of top players compared to 2005 when about 4 states had the sport. Lets see how the rising 11th 12 th grade UA team does before ronouncing the sport dead on LI.

Garden City over ESM for Long Island Championship 10-8

That's a horrible loss for ESM, GC a very average team this year. I guess it shows what a difference coaching makes

Pretty sure it was a prediction not an actual result.

Pretty sure it was a prediction not an actual result.

GC doesn't get past Manhasset.

Predictions

Farmingdale over Massapequa
Manhasset over GC
Csh over Wantagh
Carle place over Oyster bay

Northport over Middle Country
Esm over West Babylon
Mt Sinai over Bbp

Most players already committed opt out of school girls..doesn't leave many top tier players at this point

Not true at all. Daughter played schoolgirls about 3 yrs ago and every girl on all 3 LI teams was committed and every top player from LI played with the exception of 1 or 2

Makes sense why they got crushed...

Nobody has anything to say from the LIC's last weekend?

O.T. ,
a blow out
and two low scoring stall filled games?

If there's not going to be a shot clock then the refs need have the authority to throw the flag and start a 30 second shot clock, the stall at the HS level has become a joke and has ruined the game

. was just saying this... i think most folks on here are from 2nd tier ha lax schools like pat cough and commack

First off that is the worst idea , the reffing is bad enough now you want to give them more power over the outcome . The stall has been going on forever and I don’t have much of an issue with it at the high school level. There is a skill to it and honestly not many teams actually have that skill. There is also a skill to being able to take the ball away . Watched all the LIC games and everyone except A had stalling on purpose going on and yet not one team was actually successful at it . You could stall the whole game and it’s still more exciting than softball .

That's your opinion - the stall stinks to watch, what is the great skill set? being able to spread out and catch and throw? inevitably the defense gets a yellow card and the game is over - doesn't always have the best team winning - and there's the two reasons college did away with it

Seriously you think they went to a shot clock so the "best" team would always win and to prevent a late yellow card. They did it to try and make the game faster and more attractive to a larger audience. If you dont think there is a skill to stalling then you are just clueless and paid no attention to 3 of the 4 LIC games as in all but the A game teams were stalling and none of them were completely successful at it .In general the stall is boring but there is actually some strategy involved in terms of when to not go to goal , what to do if the opposing team pulls the goalie you are u by 1 , 2 minutes left and you have been losing the draw, etc..

NOBODY wants to see it

“NOBODY wants to see it “

Wrong again, I hope I see my daughters team stalling every game but that does explain why you hate it so much as your kids team must never have a lead .I think the shot clock has been a great addition to the college game but just think it would be a mess for many below average high school teams such as your daughters team . You think players and coaches are running up scores now , add in a shot clock and the scores will be 40 -0.

its really the defense that makes the choice not to pressure out. They sit in a tight zone and hope for a turnover.
BBP took a calculated chance by not pressing out - sometimes it works. This time CSH didn't turn the ball over so BBP just burned the clock while being a goal down.

you're lost

I can’t believe that somebody is actually on here defending the stall??? I spent many years going to the NCAA post season, watching great lacrosse games, and the stall was used very lightly at the end of games, sometimes. Then Northwestern came along.... by the end of their dynasty, the last couple of years that they won the championship, the games were unwatchable. Not sure if Amonte pioneered the stall but she certainly was on full display utilizing it to win the championships. Can’t blame her, do not think they would have won all those years without playing stall. Against the top teams they would slow stall on the start of every possession to burn clock the entire game. Then it became a heavy part of many teams game plan. Thank god for the 90 second shot clock, really needs to be brought into HS game.

I love the shot clock-it makes the game more exciting -period.

Who do all of the Long Island teams play tomorrow in the finals?

And it doesn't have to be 90 seconds in HS initially... start at 120 seconds or 180 seconds. That is a long time to work with for an Offense and allows the defense to get the ball back...

Mattituck beat Bronxville

Northport vs. Baker

Fayetteville-Manlius vs. ESM

Cold Spring Harbor vs. John Jay

So it took West Islip moving to class B from Northport to finally win a state championship

“can’t believe that somebody is actually on here defending the stall??? I spent many years going to the NCAA post season, watching great lacrosse games, and the stall was used very lightly at the end of games, sometimes. Then Northwestern came along.... by the end of their dynasty, the last couple of years that they won the championship, the games were unwatchable. Not sure if Amonte pioneered the stall but she certainly was on full display utilizing it to win the championships. Can’t blame her, do not think they would have won all those years without playing stall. Against the top teams they would slow stall on the start of every possession to burn clock the entire game. Then it became a heavy part of many teams game plan. Thank god for the 90 second shot clock, really needs to be brought into HS game. “

First off Einstein , no one is defending the stall ( whatever that means ), it’s part of the game , it’s legal , so there is nothing to defend . If you actually think the shot clock would not negatively impact over 80 percent of high school games you are clueless . The average high school game has many players that are not skilled and between the clear and setting up an offense you will have constant shot clock violations with forced dangerous shots , blowout wins and a worse mess than those games already are . You want to get the game moving , have a draw to start each half .

LI girls sweep states...

That's cute with West Islip having only 1 state championship and Northport with 2...

Lolololpp how many LIC Leydvkurjgpthats cute. Wi with 3 LIC. Np zero. Wibmoves. Then np can finally win

The talent pool must be down across the whole state as LI just swept the NYS titles or more likely you had an older kid and are one of those “ back in the old days “ types . Talent pool on LI is much deeper than it has ever been but yes the game has grown so there is now good players from all over .

Congrats to all the girls who received honors this year.