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Do you think they would in any way change those schools? If they can't get it done with top recruits in the country what kind of success would they have at these schools? If winning a championship is what you and your kid went to college for I'm sorry but you chose to play for coaches that can't get it done

What is unique about it?

If you don't know it's clearly not unique to you, for many people ND is an iconic institution with a long history (especially in athletics) dating back to the early 1900"s

The subject was that they are incompetent coaches, not what other low level lacrosse programs would want them to coach. Just curious, why would they want them? Do you think suddenly the top recruits in the country would be flocking to those schools? I think not

Notre Dame is certainly a great institution with a very long and storied history in both academics and athletics. It was stated that it is a "very unique situation", what is the "unique situation?

I am not knocking ND. Notre Dame has a lot to offer but it is not everyones top choice.

No the question was who are the worst coaches, No matter how much YOU think these two coaches "underachieve" I believe they are better than any coach listed on the list, and probably even more than that. It seems like you have some sort of bias against these two coaches simply because they haven't achieved a level of success you deem acceptable. By almost every account I have heard, both coaches are loved by there players and care for and treat every player within there programs with respect. So, with that being said I would think some top players would consider going to, lets say, Old Dominion or a William and Mary, both being great schools if either coach coached there. Now Im sure you'll come back and say both schools stink for this reason or that, but by almost every account both are better than lets say Maryland or UNC when it comes to academics. Basically what I'm saying is that you sound like a parent of a player that has some skill, but judges every aspect of life, for not only you and your daughter, but every Lacrosse player, on what someone els told you about a good Lacrosse program because you didn't even know the game existed before your daughter introduced it to you

No the question was who are the worst coaches, No matter how much YOU think these two coaches "underachieve" I believe they are better than any coach listed on the list, and probably even more than that. It seems like you have some sort of bias against these two coaches simply because they haven't achieved a level of success you deem acceptable. By almost every account I have heard, both coaches are loved by there players and care for and treat every player within there programs with respect. So, with that being said I would think some top players would consider going to, lets say, Old Dominion or a William and Mary, both being great schools if either coach coached there. Now Im sure you'll come back and say both schools stink for this reason or that, but by almost every account both are better than lets say Maryland or UNC when it comes to academics. Basically what I'm saying is that you sound like a parent of a player that has some skill, but judges every aspect of life, for not only you and your daughter, but every Lacrosse player, on what someone els told you about a good Lacrosse program because you didn't even know the game existed before your daughter introduced it to you

No the question was who are the worst coaches, No matter how much YOU think these two coaches "underachieve" I believe they are better than any coach listed on the list, and probably even more than that. It seems like you have some sort of bias against these two coaches simply because they haven't achieved a level of success you deem acceptable. By almost every account I have heard, both coaches are loved by there players and care for and treat every player within there programs with respect. So, with that being said I would think some top players would consider going to, lets say, Old Dominion or a William and Mary, both being great schools if either coach coached there. Now Im sure you'll come back and say both schools stink for this reason or that, but by almost every account both are better than lets say Maryland or UNC when it comes to academics. Basically what I'm saying is that you sound like a parent of a player that has some skill, but judges every aspect of life, for not only you and your daughter, but every Lacrosse player, on what someone els told you about a good Lacrosse program because you didn't even know the game existed before your daughter introduced it to you

Very good example. William and Mary. Excellent academic school. Close to MD lax hotbed, NJ, NY/tri-State, PA...good selling point for recruiting. Beautiful campus. 5-6 years ago they hired a very good Women's Lacrosse coach from the Amonte tree. The program is still mediocre at best playing in the CAA. Is it recruiting? Coaching?

Find some kids from UF and ask them how much fun it is when the starters and bench are pitted against each other all year and don't even practice together on the same field, over the years several top players have left the program after one year - great team building by a great coach? Still haven't heard what you think is so great about them...

You lost any credibility you had when you said Old Dominion is better than UNC 'by almost every account'. I'm not sure anyone would say ODU is better than UNC by any account whatsoever.

Why what makes UNC so much better, Does it come with a gold Plated degree? Lets be real about college, there is only one that there is almost a guarantee of success, The Wharton School, all others you get out what you put in and maybe get a bump in your first five years after school.

Really? All are created equal with the exception of The Wharton School? Forget Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Penn (if you are not enrolled in Wharton), Duke, Notre Dame, Brown, Northwestern, Hopkins, Dartmouth, Columbia, Yale, Virginia, Vanderbilt, Boston College, Michigan, Bucknell, Villanova etc.... All schools are equal.

Is this a real question?? All schools are NOT created equal. You have a serious inferiority complex!

Are you really so delirious as to think that the professors delegating there responsibilities to a 22 year old TA at Northwestern, or droning on in a lecture has filled with 200 kids is doing a better job for your kid than at OD? or even lets say St Johns? Your overpaying for a brand name, nothing more. But if that makes you feel better than have at it. Truth is I am an Electrician that makes more than most and I didn't pay a dime to any of those pompous, self important gas bags. Go figure

That explains your ignorance on the topic of getting a good education . All schools are not created equal, if you want to get an idea of a schools academic ranking go to US News ranking for that particular school .

are you implying that because I work with my hands I’m not educated? You must be a liberal. Just so you know, at the time I came up, it took a 4 year apprenticeship to become a an electrical machanic. You have to study trigonometry, geometry and physics. I then became a Master electrician where I had to study from legal document over a thousand pages long. I need to know how to run a company, lead men , and have an extinsive knowledge of contracts, not to mention blue print reading. I am leagally allowed to design an electrical system for any building from a 1 story ranch house to a 100 story building. All this knowledge I accumulated while being paid. I had a student loan debt of $0.00. If you judge somebody’s intelligence simply by the way they make there money than you are truly the uneducated one. If you base a schools value by US mess ranking than your not only uneducated, but also a fool

I’m not the electrician guy but you yourself certainly sound insufferable.
You remind me of 60% of the elitist parents whose kids are clogging up our club team. I’d say more than half are only first generation elitist as well if you want to really get uppity about it.

I’m not the electrician guy but you yourself certainly sound insufferable.
You remind me of 60% of the elitist parents whose kids are clogging up our club team. I’d say more than half are only first generation elitist as well if you want to really get uppity about it.

Women’s Lacrosse Division I Rankings 4-29-2019

RANK INSTITUTION POINTS FPV RECORD LAST POLL
1 Maryland 617 21 17-0 2
2 Boston College 591 2 19-1 1
3 North Carolina 590 2 15-3 3
4 Syracuse 551 0 15-4 4
5 Northwestern 524 0 12-4 5
6 Virginia 476 0 12-6 7
7 Notre Dame 458 0 13-4 6
8 Michigan 451 0 15-2 8
9 Princeton 412 0 12-3 10
10 James Madison 382 0 14-3 9
11 Loyola 380 0 13-4 11
12 Penn 317 0 11-4 12
13 Duke 312 0 10-8 15
14 Navy (USNA) 306 0 14-3 13
15 Denver 280 0 13-2 14
16 Southern California 246 0 16-3 17
17 Stony Brook 242 0 13-4 16
T-18 Dartmouth 221 0 11-4 19
T-18 Florida 221 0 11-6 18
20 Colorado 125 0 10-7 22
21 Johns Hopkins 102 0 10-7 23
22 Stanford 98 0 13-5 20
23 Virginia Tech 84 0 8-10 21
24 High Point 46 0 15-4 25
25 Penn State 32 0 8-8 RV
RV Georgetown 9-8 24

Seriously, get rid of the schools after the top 20. Colorado at 20?? Their only good win was against USC and they are only ranked 16th. Va Tech has 10 losses. Georgetown?? They just lost to Marquette. There are not enough good teasm to rank 25 teams.

US News is still the best source for a clear understanding of where a schools ranks in terms of academics and a good source of general information. I base my opinion on your ignorance of getting a good education on the fact that you state you did not reach a high level of education , your writing, and the fact that you are clearly anti higher education. Honestly why come onto a site and belittle getting a good quality education when you know that essentially 99 percent of the people who come onto this site want that for their children.

Your Idea of "higher education" is overspending on elitist liberals that can't do the thing they teach in the real world ( those that can do, those that can't teach) 99% of the parents that come on this site don't really care what there kids study in college, otherwise that would dominate the conversation. 99% of the parents on this site want to brag that there kid is a top recruit at a US News top 100 school. Thats why half the UMD roster has a major in Numbers and science

After the top 12-13 its a joke.

Disagree. Florida, Dartmouth and Stony Brook are all very good teams. Definitely The Top 20 can compete ... pushing it a little going to Top 25.

All in all it is good for the sport. I am thankful that the talent pool is not that deep. I have a 2019 with an opportunity to go to a great academic school and possibly get playing time. The program is not and will probably never be considered Top 30 and we are very happy about it. Older sister at a top 10 program where some really good players have trouble getting on the field. In the end it is all about the education but competitive athletes generally feel better about themselves if they are getting playing time.

For parents with younger children ... It has been said many times on this site... but it is worth repeating ... Do your best to help your daughter find a school where she will be happy even if lacrosse does not go as planned. Do your best to get the vibe of the team. Try to find out if the girls who do not get a lot of playing time are able to maintain a positive attitude. Do your best to find alumni who played for the coach and talk to them (not just the All-Americans). Know before you go.

The bottom line is that education is a business decision.

If your child is interested in pursuing a field that requires higher education, then it's the right choice. But, buyer beware. All schools are selling your young adult a dream. The field she is interested in should dictate where she applies. For instance, if her career path will require graduate school, then she may get more bang for her buck attending an in-state school where the tuition is substantially less and save the student debt load and or mom and dad's education savings for grad school. If she wants to work as a veterinarian at Disney's Wild Kingdom, they hire almost exclusively from a veterinary school in Florida whose name eludes me at the moment. Your family is making a rather expensive purchase, and due diligence is required.

And for the record, I do not have a college degree. I chose the military straight out of High School. I do have a successful business with 35 employees working for me, and many with college degrees 😂. My daughters don't need a scholarship or student loans; I already have money for school put away for them should they choose that career path. To say going to college is the only route to success is beyond ignorance. Success requires some small measure of intelligence, a solid work ethic and the ability to think independently. That's it. And it can be taught at home - not at the US News Top 100 schools.

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The bottom line is that education is a business decision.

If your child is interested in pursuing a field that requires higher education, then it's the right choice. But, buyer beware. All schools are selling your young adult a dream. The field she is interested in should dictate where she applies. For instance, if her career path will require graduate school, then she may get more bang for her buck attending an in-state school where the tuition is substantially less and save the student debt load and or mom and dad's education savings for grad school. If she wants to work as a veterinarian at Disney's Wild Kingdom, they hire almost exclusively from a veterinary school in Florida whose name eludes me at the moment. Your family is making a rather expensive purchase, and due diligence is required.

And for the record, I do not have a college degree. I chose the military straight out of High School. I do have a successful business with 35 employees working for me, and many with college degrees 😂. My daughters don't need a scholarship or student loans; I already have money for school put away for them should they choose that career path. To say going to college is the only route to success is beyond ignorance. Success requires some small measure of intelligence, a solid work ethic and the ability to think independently. That's it. And it can be taught at home - not at the US News Top 100 schools.

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Disagree. Florida, Dartmouth and Stony Brook are all very good teams. Definitely The Top 20 can compete ... pushing it a little going to Top 25.

All in all it is good for the sport. I am thankful that the talent pool is not that deep. I have a 2019 with an opportunity to go to a great academic school and possibly get playing time. The program is not and will probably never be considered Top 30 and we are very happy about it. Older sister at a top 10 program where some really good players have trouble getting on the field. In the end it is all about the education but competitive athletes generally feel better about themselves if they are getting playing time.

For parents with younger children ... It has been said many times on this site... but it is worth repeating ... Do your best to help your daughter find a school where she will be happy even if lacrosse does not go as planned. Do your best to get the vibe of the team. Try to find out if the girls who do not get a lot of playing time are able to maintain a positive attitude. Do your best to find alumni who played for the coach and talk to them (not just the All-Americans). Know before you go.

Thank you for an excellent post!!!

"Your Idea of "higher education" is overspending on elitist liberals that can't do the thing they teach in the real world ( those that can do, those that can't teach) 99% of the parents that come on this site don't really care what there kids study in college, otherwise that would dominate the conversation. 99% of the parents on this site want to brag that there kid is a top recruit at a US News top 100 school. Thats why half the UMD roster has a major in Numbers and science"

Your post is the exact reason a higher education matters. Please go back to your rigorous electrical school training and speak to your non elitist professor in regard to the use of their and there. Also what the heck is a major in " numbers and science". Are you trying to say that a major in science such as biology at UMD is easy.

You can probably count on one hand the amount of lax players on each team at the top 10 who are taking a major other than communications, sociology and exercise science. Some programs are embarrassed to even list the players major and other put just put the school they're attending - I would guess there's not a lot of engineering, finance and pre-med kids on UMD roster or any of the others