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Close.... ranked # 11 : )

All the good defenders play middie in HS

But still a defender recruited to a top 10 school (at the time) so its not like it doesn't/can't happen

Michigan is the new kid on the block. It took longer than expected but I think they will be a perennial Top 20 Team going forward.

They are having a nice year so far...Hopkins is overrated this year like every year. Big name

Who has Hopkins been rated over "every year"? Excellent school very good lacrosse program. They are one of the Top 20 Programs, they are competitive every year and have been for quite some time.

Michigan will cone to improve as a program and will be a Top 20 Program going forward.

That whole perennial top 20 argument is a joke...there could be 15 teams ranked in the 15-20 range every year...they put Hopkins in because of the name...same alot of the time with uva,nd,gtown and duke...I'm talking about when they have a down year, still thrown in to top 20.

No, there couldn't. The talent does not run that deep. Some teams have a good year from time to time and then there are the same 15 or so programs that prove it on the field every year. Teams that play competitive schedules year in and year out and prove with their body of work that they are a Top Program.

Yes there could, all about the name in girls lax, just except it...what was hopkins ranked after the high point loss? thinking top 20? c'mon

To prove the point further, those teams are getting the supposed top talent every year and still need their name to keep them in the top 20

I agree with you, look at 6-4 gtown this year, still getting top 20 hm votes...best win is against 1-7 towson team.

Please name all of the powerhouse programs who should be considered a top 20 program? They are not because of their actual results and body of work, not because of an upset win here or there.

To those who want to look at a teams record as a benchmark to evaluate their ranking... A teams record is not an accurate indicator of a teams strength. A team with a 4 - 4 record with losses to Syracuse, BC, Maryland and Carolina might very well deserve a higher ranking than a team with a 7 - 1 record with wins against Siena, Boston University, Marist, Cornell, Fairfield, Villanova and Colgate.

Notre Dame looks pretty good to me.

Starting to get interesting. We all know that Boston College and Maryland are the teams to beat but who else has a chance? Who can make a run?

enjoy it
a few 8 meter goals today

Notre Dame is legit. 2 top ten wins. Beat #3 UNC today. Unless the wheels fall off, they are in the NCAA Tournament. Ahead of Duke, and VA Tech.

Give me your "legitimate" Top 20.

Coaches Poll takes strength into account. It's the only poll that matter until selection day. Then it's only wins against quality opponents that matter, along with conference champs. That's why teams like Northwestern, Michigan, UVA, ND, VATech, Denver, Colorado, USC, Syracuse, UNC, Loyola (or Navy), Princeton (or Penn), USC and Stanford will be considered this year. Challenging games against top 25 opponents and wins against some.

Top Programs. Not teams that might be ranked in the top 20 from time to time but teams that finish the season ranked in the Top 20 just about every year for the past 5 - 7 years.

Maryland
North Carolina
Northwestern
Syracuse
Virginia
Boston College
Penn State
Penn
Stony Brook
Princeton
Florida
Duke
Notre Dame
Georgetown
Loyola
Hopkins
James Madison

USC and Stanford getting there and Michigan will move into that group as well Navy has done extremely well also.

IMHO those are the Top Programs, they seem to be competitive every year and most years make the NCAA Tournament and finish the season ranked in the top 20 or just outside of it.

Was looking for this year's top 20-25... does it differ from the perennial top teams the poster alluded to. Are the teams that are having a down year still on that list. Any surprises?

Michigan is the surprise. Penn State is Down. Stony Brook is a bit off. Dartmouth looks pretty good.

The Top 20 at the end of the year will look much the same as it always does. JMU will be back to where they are most years.

Lets take Georgetown for example, last 5 years record...7-10, 6-11, 9-9, 12-7, 6-4 so far this year...don't care who they played every year. Usc and Stanford have a little bit of a solid track record, Michigan is having a very good year, but its one year so far.

ND last 5yrs...11-9, 14-7, 11-8, 10-9, 9-1 so far...Hopkins...14-4, 11-8, 11-7, 10-9, 8-3 so far...every year top 20, all about the name.

Women's Division I Ranking 4-1-2019

Rank Institution Points FPV Record Last Poll
1 Boston College 625 25 12-0 1
2 Maryland 600 0 12-0 2
3 Syracuse 572 0 12-2 4
4 Northwestern 514 0 8-3 5
5 Notre Dame 513 0 10-1 9
6 North Carolina 502 0 9-3 3
7 Michigan 463 0 13-0 8
8 Virginia 456 0 9-4 7
9 Penn 441 0 8-2 6
10 James Madison 399 0 8-3 10
11 Loyola 367 0 8-3 11
12 Navy (USNA) 332 0 9-2 13
13 Duke 328 0 8-4 12
14 Southern California 299 0 12-1 16
15 Princeton 261 0 5-3 14
16 Denver 252 0 9-2 15
17 Florida 212 0 6-6 17
18 Stanford 190 0 8-4 20
19 Johns Hopkins 184 0 8-3 18
20 Stony Brook 153 0 5-4 19
21 Virginia Tech 122 0 8-5 21
22 Georgetown 98 0 7-4 22
23 Colorado 79 0 5-5 25
24 High Point 69 0 7-4 23
25 Dartmouth 50 0 6-3 NR

Womens’s Division II Rankings 4-1-2019

Rank Institution Points FPV Record Last Poll
1 Le Moyne 625 25 9-0 1
2 Rollins 560 0 10-0 5
3 Adelphi 537 0 8-1 2
4 Lindenwood (MO) 511 0 10-0 6
5 LIU Post 501 0 8-2 9
6 Tampa 472 0 8-2 10
7 West Chester 471 0 7-2 4
8 Florida Southern 469 0 9-2 3
9 East Stroudsburg 468 0 8-2 8
10 Regis (Colorado) 370 0 10-0 7
11 Limestone 338 0 11-1 11
T-12 Colorado Mesa 316 0 10-1 T-12
T-12 UIndy 316 0 9-1 T-12
14 Queens (North Carolina) 307 0 9-2 14
15 Mercy 239 0 8-2 17
16 Pace 220 0 4-5 15
17 Assumption 212 0 7-2 20
18 Merrimack 199 0 5-4 18
T-19 Bentley 183 0 6-1 19
T-19 New Haven 183 0 5-4 16
21 Saint Leo 132 0 12-0 22
22 Grand Valley State 120 0 8-3 21
23 Mount Olive 50 0 8-4 25
24 New York Tech 45 0 6-3 23
25 Mercyhurst 27 0 4-5 24
RV Stonehill 25 0 5-4 RV

Women’s Division III Rankings 4-1-2019

Rank Institution Points FPV Record Last Poll
1 Gettysburg 625 25 9-0 1
2 Washington and Lee 595 0 9-2 2
3 Middlebury 568 0 7-1 5
4 Salisbury 547 0 9-2 4
5 Mary Washington 512 0 9-2 3
6 Tufts 493 0 8-0 7
7 Franklin & Marshall 483 0 7-3 6
8 York (PA) 438 0 6-4 8
9 Wesleyan (CT) 415 0 8-1 12
10 Catholic 409 0 7-2 10
T-11 Amherst 360 0 6-2 13
T-11 Colby 360 0 6-2 11
13 Trinity (CT) 330 0 6-2 9
14 Bowdoin 287 0 4-4 18
15 TCNJ 264 0 4-4 14
16 St. John Fisher 254 0 8-1 16
17 SUNY Cortland 249 0 5-3 15
18 William Smith 216 0 8-2 17
19 Ithaca 175 0 6-3 19
20 University of Scranton 149 0 9-1 20
21 Bates 118 0 7-3 21
22 Colorado College 98 0 11-0 22
23 Haverford 85 0 6-3 23
24 Hamilton 34 0 4-4 NR
25 Washington College 17 0 7-2 NR
RV Denison 5-3 NR
RV Meredithn10-3 NR
RV Skidmore 6-3 24
RV St. Mary's (MD) 7-5 25

A note on Divison III. The NESCAC has 9 of 11 teams in the top 25. Academically great schools and very competitive lacrosse. Worth a look.

ND last 5yrs...11-9, 14-7, 11-8, 10-9, 9-1 so far...Hopkins...14-4, 11-8, 11-7, 10-9, 8-3 so far...every year top 20, all about the name.[/quote]

Due to the fact that there is very little parity outside of the Top 20 or so programs a teams record is not a very good indicator of how competitive a team is. The majority of teams that play Eight or more tough (perennial top 20 teams) are going to lose some games.

Which are the programs that are over looked every year because of they do not have a big name?

Due to the fact that there is very little parity outside of the Top 20 or so programs a teams record is not a very good indicator of how competitive a team is. The majority of teams that play Eight or more tough (perennial top 20 teams) are going to lose some games.

Which are the programs that are over looked every year because of they do not have a big name? [/quote]

Towson

Due to the fact that there is very little parity outside of the Top 20 or so programs a teams record is not a very good indicator of how competitive a team is. The majority of teams that play Eight or more tough (perennial top 20 teams) are going to lose some games.

Which are the programs that are over looked every year because of they do not have a big name? [/quote]

Some games? 7,8,9,10 games? Thats alittle more than some...you can't not win one of your tough games and be considered a top 20 team that year...

Some games? 7,8,9,10 games? Thats alittle more than some...you can't not win one of your tough games and be considered a top 20 team that year...[/quote]

Which are the programs that are over looked every year because of they do not have a big name? [/quote]

Some games? 7,8,9,10 games? Thats alittle more than some...you can't not win one of your tough games and be considered a top 20 team that year...[/quote]

But if a team only plays 2 - 4 games vs Top teams and loses all of them they should be ranked because they rack up wins vs weak teams? Which teams get overlooked?

Florida is 6 - 6 I guess they are not a Top 20 team. Take a look at Stony Brook at 4 - 4 with all four losses to Top 20 teams. Then take a look at what they did to the 4 non top 20 teams.

Which are the programs that get overlooked because they do not have "the name"?

Which are the programs that are over looked every year because of they do not have a big name? [/quote]

Some games? 7,8,9,10 games? Thats alittle more than some...you can't not win one of your tough games and be considered a top 20 team that year...[/quote]

But if a team only plays 2 - 4 games vs Top teams and loses all of them they should be ranked because they rack up wins vs weak teams? Which teams get overlooked?

Florida is 6 - 6 I guess they are not a Top 20 team. Take a look at Stony Brook at 4 - 4 with all four losses to Top 20 teams. Then take a look at what they did to the 4 non top 20 teams.

Which are the programs that get overlooked because they do not have "the name"?[/quote]

Stony Brook beat Colorado ( #14 at game time) and Towson (#13 at game time). They lost the rest of their games vs ranked opponents. They still have Hopkins and USC on their slate as far as ranked opponents. Plus, they should win their conference.

Florida beat High Point (#24) and Stony Brook (#20). They lost the remaining games against top teams and have no other top teams on their schedule. They also will win their conference.

Whether or not they deserve to be ranked in the top 25 is up to the people who vote. They will make the tournament because they will win their conferences. If they lose, their fate will rest in opinions of others.

Strength of schedules only matter if a team wins some of those games. Otherwise your record is what it says it is.... (see Towson or Duke...). ND now has two huge wins on their resume. They are off the snide!

USC 12-1 ranked #12...doesnt seem like a tough year at all...I would bet the 104 teams behind them would take it in a heartbeat.

Beat down coming. No match for Apuzzo and co

What are you talking about ? They already lost to BC

Played already Clown

watched yesterdays BC Vs ND game, definitely not a fan of ND, but they might have the best defense/goalie combo in women's lacrosse. Great game!

Maryland says hello

Did she win the tewaartin?

Funny how? Funny like I amuse you? Funny like a clown?[/quote]

Why are girls quitting at Hofstra? 7 girls left there this year. Is it that bad there ?