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You mean the new kid on Madlax 24 played for DC Dogs 23 last year. Total holdback. The kid wasn't playing up when he was on DC Dogs. Wasn't getting playing time. Couldn't cut it. So he dropped down to run over younger kids.

All this speculation on the size of kids and holdbacks is mind-numbingly notIntelligent and beyond tired. Have you seen VLC 2024? They have a ton of huge kids that could pass for 8th and 9th graders but you don't hear them get called out. Why? Because they are not winning at the Elite level. All this whining is more about taking cheap shots at the best teams than anything else. No one cares except for a couple loud but persistent posters. Some kids get bigger faster and it winds up being unfair to the smaller kids, deal with it.

This is not about speculation or a kid merely being bigger than other kids his own age. It is a fact that the kid repeated 7th grade. The kid is 1 to 2 years older than the other kids playing 2024. There is no reason that he couldn't have continued to play 2023. By dropping down, he gains an unfair advantage and puts other kids at risk of injury. He is a perfect example of what is wrong with club lacrosse and programs like Madlax. Some programs develop kids' skill sets in order to compete. Other programs like Madlax have to cheat.

If I was a parent of an on age kid that is now losing playing time, I would be livid. Check out the roster. 32 kids. Each kid paying $795. Some of these kids are probably playing 4-5 mins. a game. What a ripoff.

And if the kid goes on to play at a good high school and then gets admitted to a better university because of the holdback, then the parents will smile. The colleges drive this, not the clubs.

Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.

I’m new to this. Is the cost of 795.00, per season? Is a “season” fall, winter, spring and summer? So the annual cost is 795.00 X 4 = 3200.00?

$795 dues for a season? What club is that? Rec based? Clubs are near $2000.

I actually know the new middie. Not a holdback--parents are tall and were also athletes[/quote]


He is 100% a holdback. Huge kid. Madlax has reloaded with new kids and will be the #1 team nationally. Again.[/quote]

Saw his parents at Battle on the Bay. They were pretty big themselves. But I have to say, his muscular development and movement makes it look like he is a year or two older than the other kids. Regardless, that advantage doesn't last. Next year the rest of the kids will catch up.[/quote]

Would you Inspectors Gadget next analyze the Zunruder film next?

This is just not true check the ages of the AA under armor team the leaked a year or two ago guessing 85% of those kids where 12 to 16 months older then what we in VA would call on age. The elite kids are from private schools overall and those kids are older. Private schools want boys to start at age 6 not 5 or even 4 like public school boys. This is a fact not a secret. Then throw in the ability to afford a extra year of private school in 8th grade they end up on top. Do all reclass kids end up at the top of the class no, but are 80% of the top kids of each class older yes this is a fact has been true for at least 6 years and will not stop anytime soon.

Madlax parent must be bitter reading $795 a season. Most are $1800 to $2100 some closer to 3K if you play box with the club, add a winter clinic, national team, or team camp and any training you are in for 4k a year easy before cost of travel for a family to go see them play.

No club is only $795 a season.

That is the Madlax fall season cost. But you have to add in the $100 monthly charge so it comes to closer to 1100 for this time span. Let see if this can be done put your club name and the cost for everything minus hotel stays for your sons club. This information will make everyone feel good or really make some people really mad so that should be fun for this site.
Madlax
Monthly is $100 a month so $1200
Fall $795 2 or 3 tournaments
Summer $1800 4 tournaments
Spring $1200 I think Spring league HOCO, Playdays
Total = $ 4995
I could be off a little

Madlax is only $750 for spring I was a little off. All the cost are on the website clear for you to read.

I think for MadLax 2024 it is more like:

Fall $795
Winter $745
Spring $750
Summer $1250
Nationals $1000
Academy Dues $1000

The $5,540 doesn't include the clinics and other hidden charges. For older kids it is even more.

No its not a lot higher for older kids.
Winter is Madlax but not Madlax its a stand alone Box travel team North Stars. And box league is like $300
Nationals is a over the top thing that you do not have to do and would cost the same no matter the club.
The funny thing is I do not see the other clubs breaking down the fees and what you get? Can anyone try and answer that? If Madlax is the big rip off the haters claim lets see the other clubs fees and what the fee gets you?

Hawks just under 2k Crabs just over 2k

Yes, it is a lot more for older kids. For starters, summer is $1600. So many hidden charges. Every time you pay there is a processing fee. Then you have to buy the mandatory helmet with the mandatory helmet wrap. The list goes on and on.

I bet Hawks and Crabs don't have 30+ rosters either. To add insult to injury, most of the ML coaches are daddy coaches that are sure to start their own kid.

So every season is a separate payment. Do the boys have to tryout for each separate season, or is that only once per year?

Here’s a new question, related to the extraordinary cost that we all pay. Do you find that clubs raise the price every year, or does it stay pretty much the same, from year to year? My experience is, once the club stinks you in, the price goes up every single year. Not talking small percentages either. Try 20%-25%, give or take, every year. Is this practice status quo?

You like stats. Here are all the stats you need. If your kid isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age, then this sport is not for him, no matter how many times you want to hold him back. He ain’t good! The on-age kids excelling against on-age kids and older, are today and tomorrow’s big time players. Regurgitate all the stats you want, but you may want to just try some common sense!

I am not sure most of these clubs even have what I would call tryouts anymore. They have a few practices in August that they sometimes charge money for. Usually it is a practice with the kids already on the team. After they list the roster they try to add a few more kids in late september who left another club. If you on Madlax you will make a team and find out later which team. They may call them tryouts but they are not what they appear to be.

Look for the speedy on-age kids running circles around the other kids. Lacrosse is all about speed. If your kid can't run a sub-5.0 40, you can give up the D1 dream now. Holding back a kid might give them a temporary size advantage, but it is not going to make them faster.

Stop already with quoting the football stats. You sound like a dad who has never played this game. It is the fastest game on two feet but quickness and lax IQ are not measured with a 40 time. Coaches watch games and know if they can play or not.

You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.

In other words, you just realized that you humiliated your kid by putting him back a year in school and wasted a year of his life, all because he’s not a great 7th grade lacrosse player. Way to go Dad! I’m sure he’ll thank you in a few years, when he’s riding the pines, after walking on to that horrible D3 lax team somewhere in the Deep Deep South.

That is not a all the truth if my son is good to really good with on age players and I hold him back a year in one of the three ways it can be done the math proves he is way more likely to get a top D1 roster spot. I did not hold my son back I do not have the money to pull this off. But he is 17 years old now and going to play College lacrosse next year. But I promise you if we had held him back he would be at the top of the D1 list of names. If he is on the bottom of the D1 schools list now " we have a roster spot for him but we are out of Athletic aid." Then its not hard to see if we had held him back one year. He would be getting D1 money? I am still not going to hold my younger son back but I do feel a need to post on here to inform people that the hold back advantage never goes away that kid has a huge advantage. It only goes away maybe 2nd or 3rd year of college.

PG Year seems better than holding back in 7th grade. Compete against older kids and then when you're more mature pick up that extra year to become more appealing to a college coach. Of course any review of the financials and impact this and the holdback approach will clearly show that the only ROI is based on appeasing the ego of the parents. The scholarship money is a pittance while the long term earning power does not justify the means. I have no issue with my son playing against holdbacks. HAve never understood the parents that enjoy playing against younger kids.

As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.

Take this drama to the Hold back Forum.

Madlax won NAL, beat all the LI teams and not a word here?

Hoco rankings for next season
91
Madlax
Hawks
Looneys
Crabs
BLC
Breakers
NL

91 and Madlax will be the class of the field. Big drop off to everyone else. Madlax has changed a lot since last year. Last year the main scoring threats were 24 and 19. 24 left to play 2023 but Madlax added some obvious holdbacks that are even bigger.

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Curious... why didn't Madlax and the rest of the 14U teams, playing under the 2024 disguise, enter the WSYL last year?? Oh yeah, they would have gotten crushed, if they ever played on-age. That aint NEVER going to happen! Sorry. Forgot. My bad.

Lets focus on Hoco, not the world series.
Lets say crabs will be great this year.

How many Elite or even AA HOCO teams are ranked on the WSYLnranking?

I see Breakers made it in the top 20. They didnt win a single game last year in HOCO AA Spring.