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not "just" a scrimmage, but a scrimmage against a team picked by experts to be the 2nd best in the country. Clearly they aren't there yet as they got handled in every facet of the game by a "C" school. Yes, June is what matters but clearly any observer would walk away from viewing this saying Mount Sinai can play, with anyone...and maybe Suffolk A is more open than people have prognosticated for this season.

Here is my rant for the week. Nice an early season rankings are great and some say meaningless but when it does matters later you know where Im coming from.

I know early in the season, but power points are already messed up. How can a team an 0-2 team be ahead of a team 1-0.

Do power points matter across the Divs?
Harborfields (1-0, Whitman) and Kings Park should be ranked over BBBP. (0-2, Riverhead and Sachem North) and East Islip (0-2),
Sachem North (1-0) should be over Connetquot (0-1)
and hey he's a shout out to Middle Country (although I hate combined schools, where is a brick and mortar MC anyways) but why isn't Middle Country (2-0) over Whitman (0-2) or Floyd (0-1)

Now points wise why is
Islip 120 and Bay Shore at 119
BBP 117 and East Islip 118 over Riverhead 114
BBP 117 and East Islip 118 over Sachem North 112
Bay Shore just beat East Islip and they were only 1 point ahead of them.

Don't get me started with Smithtown West. yes, you lost to a non conference powerhouse but you lost, you shouldn't start as the #1. Here again is where the points should mean something. Mt Sinia with only 123, you know when Ward Melville comes into the ranking they will be #1 which means they would be more than 122, but as the scrimmage proved should not be ranked higher PP than Mt Sinai.

Now a true actuary will ask why would Ward Melville even come in high with points when their wins would only be against Sachem East and Whitman??

This goes to show many of the preseason ranking was BS and political. And please don't tell me it only matters at the end. I know when it matters, but power points is what gets you into the playoffs. It starts to matter now. In 10 days, next Saturday, 25% of the season is over. Don't blink!

Look out for West Islip

OK. I'm gonna help this guy out, the current rankings you see on Section XI have nothing to do with the games played so far. They are the preseason ranking points added to the teams. Preseason points help get rid of sandbagging teams. Plus only division games count to these points. So, Riverhead beating BBP does 0 for Riverhead. BBP is not ahead of Riverhead, they are not even in the same division. BBP has more points becasue they were a higher preseason seed, in their division, then Sachem and Riverhead, in their respective division. thats it!!!! No games played have had an effect on rankings or points. If you notice, some teams are not even listed, because they have not had games yet

Exactly the point. Preseason ranking are bull. But I'll entertain this further. If as you say, games played doesn't have an impact, because they are non league, then why not list teams that havnt played. There should be some relationship between the divisions and the rankings

Don't have to wait for next year......only two juniors go on the field this year.

Mount is classified as a "C" school, that makes them a C school. You could fit the whole school in a wing of WM. Yes, it was a scrimmage, but they looked FAR better than WM; would you not agree??? That is all that I'm saying. WM may fulfill its manifest destiny, but they have a long way to go, no? Just showing up in the bus with your swag won't get it done.

not "just" a scrimmage, but a scrimmage against a team picked by experts to be the 2nd best in the country. Clearly they aren't there yet as they got handled in every facet of the game by a "C" school. Yes, June is what matters but clearly any observer would walk away from viewing this saying Mount Sinai can play, with anyone...and maybe Suffolk A is more open than people have prognosticated for this season.

WM is a shell of what it was, waaaay overrated. The Inside Lacrosse article is an embarrassment, and will be a dagger to burry them. Agree that Suffolk A is wide open. Although there is isolated talent on some teams, nobody has a complete team. Will be interesting!

What is a good site to track games , games schedule like the website that’s not around Laxpower. I’m totally lost now with Hs Lax .

Your post shows that WM is doing something right. After all, who hates on the unsuccessful? I'm not sure if you are saying that the author of the article should be embarrassed, or the players, or the entire WM community at large, or maybe all of the above. I'm willing to bet that the players didn't petition IL to come write an article about them. And I'm also willing to bet that if IL told your program they wanted to feature them in their magazine, your program wouldn't turn it down - just spit-balling on that one. Also, in case you haven't noticed, WM has won a couple of championships lately, so there is already a target on their back to begin with (if not, there should be!). Agreed, the article doesn't make it any easier for them, but they get everybody's best game, year in and year out and have to step up to that challenge - you should at least have enough humility to realize that, but probably not. If you read the piece (and i assume you did) you would know it was more about the program in general, its origins, and how it has managed to sustain success in an atmosphere of private and prep schools that are essentially lacrosse all-star teams (Catholics included) and not necessarily a piece about how great this year's team will be. They (WM) are returning 6 starters from last year (1 is injured right now), including 2 kids that have started since 2016. So you can understand the lofty predictions, which may or may not be accurate - but isn't that why championships aren't given out in the pre-season? Suffolk A is not wide open, but the top spot will definitely be within reach of more teams this year than usual. And WM definitely has more holes to fill than they usually do, but I wouldn't want to play them by the time they reach the playoffs (unless you are so biased to think they are so bad that they wont make the playoffs!). There will be bumps in the road for this team - yes- but i wouldn't be eulogizing them just yet over a scrimmage loss to an excellent, well-coach lacrosse team, regardless of class or division. That MS team is in mid-season form and has definitely put in time together in the off-season. They will be a terrific team this year - no question (psst - here's a secret, MS and/or SWR have beaten WM in scrimmages in prior years too and it worked out fine for WM in the end). If you are from MS, show some humility, act like you have been there before and hope you stay healthy; you should have a great year. And even though you didn't mention it in your post, others always bring it up when hating and denying credit - yes WM is a big district, but demographics matter more than population. And if you know anything about the district, you would know that like many other districts, enrollment is down and the shifting demographic is not lacrosse -favorable (I will leave it there lest the PC police come to get me). So just saying "they are a huge district and should win every year" is nonsense. Lacrosse is pretty popular on most of LI, last time I checked, and a lot of kids have access to travel ball regardless of district. Lastly, if you are an opponent of theirs...
Thanks for the bulletin board material!

Don't worry, if you are lost you will fit right in on this site. Have you read the posts from some of these people? Clearly they are lost.

I believe BOTC is tracking game scores : )

Your post shows that WM is doing something right. After all, who hates on the unsuccessful? I'm not sure if you are saying that the author of the article should be embarrassed, or the players, or the entire WM community at large, or maybe all of the above. I'm willing to bet that the players didn't petition IL to come write an article about them. And I'm also willing to bet that if IL told your program they wanted to feature them in their magazine, your program wouldn't turn it down - just spit-balling on that one. Also, in case you haven't noticed, WM has won a couple of championships lately, so there is already a target on their back to begin with (if not, there should be!). Agreed, the article doesn't make it any easier for them, but they get everybody's best game, year in and year out and have to step up to that challenge - you should at least have enough humility to realize that, but probably not. If you read the piece (and i assume you did) you would know it was more about the program in general, its origins, and how it has managed to sustain success in an atmosphere of private and prep schools that are essentially lacrosse all-star teams (Catholics included) and not necessarily a piece about how great this year's team will be. They (WM) are returning 6 starters from last year (1 is injured right now), including 2 kids that have started since 2016. So you can understand the lofty predictions, which may or may not be accurate - but isn't that why championships aren't given out in the pre-season? Suffolk A is not wide open, but the top spot will definitely be within reach of more teams this year than usual. And WM definitely has more holes to fill than they usually do, but I wouldn't want to play them by the time they reach the playoffs (unless you are so biased to think they are so bad that they wont make the playoffs!). There will be bumps in the road for this team - yes- but i wouldn't be eulogizing them just yet over a scrimmage loss to an excellent, well-coach lacrosse team, regardless of class or division. That MS team is in mid-season form and has definitely put in time together in the off-season. They will be a terrific team this year - no question (psst - here's a secret, MS and/or SWR have beaten WM in scrimmages in prior years too and it worked out fine for WM in the end). If you are from MS, show some humility, act like you have been there before and hope you stay healthy; you should have a great year. And even though you didn't mention it in your post, others always bring it up when hating and denying credit - yes WM is a big district, but demographics matter more than population. And if you know anything about the district, you would know that like many other districts, enrollment is down and the shifting demographic is not lacrosse -favorable (I will leave it there lest the PC police come to get me). So just saying "they are a huge district and should win every year" is nonsense. Lacrosse is pretty popular on most of LI, last time I checked, and a lot of kids have access to travel ball regardless of district. Lastly, if you are an opponent of theirs...
Thanks for the bulletin board material!

Thank you, well said.

Success brings the haters out. They are jealous of individual players as well as successful programs. Am I correct that these lunatics are pounding their chests after a scrimmage? Are they calling out the current players because of an article written about the history of the program? Oh boy, these people are sick. I was unaware of the fact that Mt. Sinai had a boy's program.

Maybe Mt. S is afraid they will crap the bed again liked they did last year?

CSH pulls it out in OT. From what I saw, they were better than Syo..

Yes, way better that is why the game went to OT. Thanks for the insightful comment.

Saw syo in a scrimmage they were not good. If thats case chs is not good

Garden City beats Pequa, more interesting is that GCs fogo beat Pequas Fogo. He has now beaten arguably the two best on LI. Looks like there’s a new sheriff in town!

Garden City beats Pequa, more interesting is that GCs fogo beat Pequas Fogo. He has now beaten arguably the two best on LI. Looks like there’s a new sheriff in town!

WM wins a close one. Hmmmmmm

Lot of good FO on Long Island. GC, Mass, CSH, Wantagh, smithtown. Lots of D1 talent. Wouldn’t be annointing GC FO top guy yet. He’s excellent don’t get me wrong. So far what I have seen Smithtown kid going to MD off to a great start and CSH kid beat up pequa kid albeit in a scrimmage. Lots of good match ups to come.
Any given day it’s about match up. All kids are excellent competitors but more importantly good kids

Lot of good FO on Long Island. GC, Mass, CSH, Wantagh, smithtown. Lots of D1 talent. Wouldn’t be annointing GC FO top guy yet. He’s excellent don’t get me wrong. So far what I have seen Smithtown kid going to MD off to a great start and CSH kid beat up pequa kid albeit in a scrimmage. Lots of good match ups to come.
Any given day it’s about match up. All kids are excellent competitors but more importantly good kids