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There is no problem with the young women. The problem is with the jealous, bitter, hateful stunands on this site. Certain individuals simply can't stand it when players receive more notoriety than their daughter. Even posters like yourself who try to sound as if they are above it all. You just can't help yourself, you have to try to tear the player down.

The problem is with the know nothing parents who have one way to validate a player (goals). If the player is not scoring a bunch of goals they think the player is not playing well. The same people will think their daughter played great if she scored a few goals even if she had 5 turnovers, shot the ball into the goalies stick 4 times (also turnovers), got in the way of her teammates, received a yellow card, refused to pass to the open cutter 3 or 4 times, was backed doored all day, didn't slide, didn't hustle back, took foolish shots etc.... The list goes on and on.

I can guarantee that every college coach (including your daughters coach) would take this player over your daughter. It's funny, some of you can't get over it, she is a junior in college and has proven herself to be one of the best players in the country and you still bring up the high school accolades and want to claim that she was overrated and has not panned out. She was an All-American last year (as aSophomore) I would say that she is panning out pretty well.

The problem is with the parents who think they know more than college coaches from Top 10 Programs, Inside Lacrosse, Under Armour, US Lacrosse etc... Here is a news flash... Your daughter is not as good as you think she is and trying to tear down other players will not make her any better. USC is a great school with a very good lacrosse program and the player in question is excellent. Good luck to your daughter, hopefully you have not passed your jealous traits on to your children.

Pot stirring troll.

Honestly how much of a laxer must you be to come take the time to post some ignorant nonsense about a young women. By reading your post it is obvious that you are one of those who judge players ability thru box scores which just shows how simple a person you are. She was the midfielder of the year in her conference and on the US team, sooo disappointing , take your "I feel bad for her " after bashing her and go tell your troll of a kid how wonderful she is.

Not bashing, good not great. Great is:

Sam Apuzzo, Boston College – Jr., Attack
Kristen Gaudian, James Madison – Sr., Attack
Marie McCool, North Carolina – Sr., Midfield
Kylie Ohlmiller, Stony Brook – Sr., Attack
Megan Whittle, Maryland – Sr., Attack

Take it easy dad!

Dont want this to come out as bashing but it most likely will. AK is a very good player but in my opinion she is struggling in her new role , shooting percent below 300 is abysmal and when you have taken 37 shots in 4 games and have 2 ASSISTS it equates to losses. Once they get into their conference games those numbers will greatly improve but it will be more due to the 3rd tier goalies and defenses they will be playing against .I think the JS hype machine has backfired somewhat in that the game plan seems to be to get some players their points rather than win. Baiocco is a scoring machine, not much of an assist kid either but seems her role is putting it in the back of the net which she does well, 548 shooting percent by comparison.

Yes you are bashing. You are a low life.

Let’s “pump their brakes” with regards to subjective criticism of individual players. It gets ugly fast and has no positive use.

Womens Divison I

Rank Institution Points FPV Record Last Poll
1 Boston College 624 24 6-0 1
2 Maryland 600 1 5-0 2
3 North Carolina 576 0 4-1 3
4 Syracuse 550 0 6-1 4
5 Northwestern 482 0 4-2 5
6 Virginia 472 0 5-1 7
7 James Madison 468 0 4-1 6
8 Penn 425 0 4-0 12
9 Princeton 394 0 3-1 14
10 Loyola 383 0 2-2 13
11 Denver 354 0 4-1 9
12 Navy (USNA) 331 0 4-1 17
13 Michigan 283 0 6-0 T-20
14 Duke 265 0 5-1 15
15 Stanford 262 0 4-1 22
16 Florida 256 0 1-3 11
17 Johns Hopkins 253 0 4-1 16
18 Stony Brook 247 0 2-2 10
19 Penn State 243 0 3-2 8
20 Notre Dame 190 0 6-0 19
21 Georgetown 166 0 4-1 18
22 Southern California 108 0 4-1 24
23 Colorado 76 0 1-3 T-20
24 Virginia Tech 42 0 3-3 25
25 Towson 35 0 0-4 23

Womens Division II

Rank Institution Points FPV Record Last Poll
1 Le Moyne 623 23 1-0 1
2 Adelphi 602 2 3-0 2
3 Florida Southern 569 0 2-1 3
4 Lindenwood (MO) 541 0 5-0 4
5 West Chester 518 0 1-0 5
6 LIU Post 463 0 2-0 6
7 East Stroudsburg 459 0 1-1 7
8 Rollins 423 0 4-0 8
9 Regis (Colorado) 390 0 3-0 9
10 Mercy 366 0 4-0 10
11 Tampa 338 0 3-2 T-11
T-12 Limestone 320 0 4-1 T-11
T-12 UIndy 320 0 2-1 T-11
14 Pace 301 0 1-0 14
15 Grand Valley State 264 0 3-0 16
16 Mercyhurst 255 0 2-0 17
17 New York Tech 199 0 2-0 19
18 Merrimack 198 0 0-2 18
19 New Haven 154 0 0-1 20
20 Florida Tech 133 0 2-3 15
21 Colorado Mesa 131 0 2-0 21
22 Queens (North Carolina) 109 0 2-1 NR
23 Bentley 72 0 1-0
24 T-24 Mount Olive 39 0 5-1 RV
T-24 Slippery Rock 39 0 1-0 NR RV
Saint Leo 36 0 4-0 NR RV
Tiffin 32 0 2-2 22

Womens Division III

Rank Institution Points FPV Record Last Poll
1 Gettysburg 625 25 3-0 1
2 Mary Washington 572 0 4-0 7
3 Washington and Lee 570 0 3-1 8
4 Franklin & Marshall 531 0 2-1 10
5 Salisbury 502 0 2-1 4
6 Middlebury 447 0 0-1 2
7 York (PA) 443 0 2-1 5
8 Colby 403 0 1-0 19 9
9 Trinity (CT) 401 0 0-0
10 Tufts 388 0 1-0 11
11 TCNJ 370 0 1-1 3
12 Wesleyan (CT) 343 0 1-0 12
13 Amherst 338 0 0-1 6
14 Bowdoin 328 0 1-0 13
15 SUNY Cortland 271 0 1-0 15
16 Bates 270 0 3-0 NR
17 Catholic 251 0 1-1 14
18 William Smith 191 0 1-0 16
19 St. John Fisher 176 0 1-0 17
20 University of Scranton 135 0 4-0 25
21 Haverford 128 0 2-1 NR
22 Ithaca 126 0 1-1 18
23 Rowan 119 0 1-0 20
24 Colorado College 87 0 1-0 21
25 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 66 0 3-1 22

wow. whats up in stonybrook land ?

Seems about right except I would move PSU down and drop Towson out

Not ready to drop Towson just yet. They have a very difficult out of conference schedule. Pretty sure the Tigers would be 6 - 0 if they played Notre Dame's schedule.

Hofstra is not the best team in Nassau county, never mind LI - Adelphi would beat them easily and LIU Post would also have a very good chance of beating them

Ummm.....don't think so, you're D2, easy there, huge gap

Not ready to drop Towson just yet. They have a very difficult out of conference schedule. Pretty sure the Tigers would be 6 - 0 if they played Notre Dame's schedule.

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Pretty sure our local high school team would be 6-0 if they played ND schedule . The players that have committed there will at least get a great education but have to realize even the coach now regards it as a weak lacrosse program. Towson should be dropped as they are just not that good this year and will lose to any top 20 team they play.

Week 5 - Notable games this week:

Penn State vs JMU
Towson vs Loyola
Navy vs Boston College
Stanford vs Colorado

UNC vs Virginia
Maryland vs Syracuse
Penn vs Georgetown
Stony Brook vs Princeton
Michigan vs Towson

Really. Get a grip Carol wannabe.

"Hofstra is not the best team in Nassau county, never mind LI - Adelphi would beat them easily and LIU Post would also have a very good chance of beating them"

Sorry but if you actually believe this you have no clue. You will get your wish next year as Post will get smoked by any top 50 program in the country.

Would love to see SBU play Hofstra again, would expect about the same result as last time. Think you are correct, even NYIT would play them tough. I will give you LIU Brooklyn.

If you don't think the top D2 teams can hang with the D1 teams outside of the top 25 or so, you don't know what you're watching.

Why do you clowns come on here every year with your inferiority complex .Adelphi ,Post would get smoked with a running time clock if they played Hofstra. Before you state your nonsense just curious what your excuse will be next year when post may actually play Hofstra. There are high school teams that would beat Adelphi.

My daughters HS team would hang with teams outside the top 25. Doesn’t say much

If you want to know if your daughters top 20 team will make it deep into playoffs... all you need to look at is the assist to goal ratio. 1 assist per 2 goals is about what the very top teams accomplish. 1 assist per every 4 goals is a team of good athletes with little lax IQ.

Thanks for the nonsensical statistical breakdown.

I do not know if that is accurate but I will take you at your word. It is a "Team" sport and the teams that play "as a team" will always do better than the team with "go to goal" players. BTW, not all players who score a lot of goals are "go to goal" players. Selfish play will always result in a negative for the team. Championship teams are build from the defensive end up through the midfield to the attack. They start with a strong goalie and defense. Their midfielders need to be strong defensively and their attack must redefend aggressively. Midfielders must be particularly good in transition defense (you can not get lost in transition or not hustle back and give up transition goals). By all means go to the goal aggressively when the situation dictates but if you play selfishly you will hurt your team. As the competition gets tougher (playoffs), selfish play becomes more of a detriment. Most good coaches have a game plan and they have offensive sets and a strategy. If a player scores 100 goals playing within the system so be it. The problems start when players stop playing within the system and start going to goal in order to "get theirs". Selfish play is ugly and it always hurts the team.

When was the last time Hofstra actually finished ranked in the top 50??

Go to goal, keep shooting!

The above post sums up what SBU can expect this year. The system that the team was built on is currently failing.... Weak D has led to poor goalie play. Middies are struggling. The highly touted players are now worried about "getting theirs". JS has his work cut out for him!!!

Not sure why you need to call me a clown. Do you feel like you won't be heard unless you name call? Makes you look like the clown. You're right, next year Post will play versus D1 teams and they will be fine. Not saying they will become a top 25 team....but they will not get crushed by teams outside the top 25. And, no HS team is beating Adelphi.

There are not enough strong athletes to go around. Sure there are teams that can keep up with the top teams from time to time but for the most part the Top Teams dominate. There are aproximatly 12 -15 teams that consistently scoop up the best players. There are another 10 - 15 teams that are able to field competitive teams from time to time but they rarely bring in enough top players. Just look at the past 5 - 7 years and you will see that there are only about 12 teams that finish the season ranked in the Top 20 every year. Maryland, North Carolina, Florida, Syracuse, Northwestern, Stony Brook, Princeton, Penn, Penn State, Boston College, Virginia, Notre Dame are in the Top 20 at the end every year. Duke is right there, JMU, Loyola, Georgetown, Hopkins most years. Navy has been very competitive. Towson has been competitive. Stanford, USC, Denver and Colorado consistently improving and fighting to be Top 20 consistently. I think Michigan is about to become a Top 20 program. What other programs are bringing in high caliber players on a consistent basis? The best programs are the best because they bring in the top players year in and year out. There is not enough talent to go around. It is better than it was 10 years ago but we have a long way to go before there is real parity. What programs are on the rise?

Agree with everything you stated. Too many folks stare down at their nose at D2 or D3. If your kid is not a top tier player vying for a legit spot on a top D1 team.....why not consider playing D2 or D3? Too many parents steer their kids down the D1 or bust route. Parents and kids need to think about way more than what division they'll be playing for.

Thanks for 3 complete garbage posts in a row. Post 1 is just a made up statistical breakdown and really depends on the defenses you play against, zone will see more ASSISTS while man less in general.
Post 2 is just complete garbage cliche. Selfish play does not always result in a negative for a team , just ask Michael Jordan."Build from the defense up" meaning what ? The teams that win have players that complement each other , ie if you have a the best offense in the country but your defense is very good just not great the draw becomes more important, if your goalie is good not great then a great defense in front of her helps etc.
Post 3 is just ridiculous , if you think the highly touted players last year did not worry about getting theirs you were not paying attention its just that they were better at it.

Yet you automatically assume there are a high number of D1 players that picked the school they did because its D1 when in reality you have no idea .

From a one game perspective, a couple years back D3 Hamilton beat D2 Florida Southern in Florida. It was Florida Southern’s last loss of the season as they went on to become D2 champions.

Yep, it was a good one goal game. Good teams in all [3] divisions. Which has been my point. There are the top 25 or so D1 teams in their own league, followed by top D2 teams and top D3 teams along with the middle of the road D1 teams.....followed by the bottom half of the three divisions. Speaking of Florida Southern, they are currently ranked 3rd. They're in the best D2 conference in the country. The Sunshine State Conference currently has [4] teams in the top 20 with one team ranked just outside.

Post 2 is just complete garbage cliche. Selfish play does not always result in a negative for a team , just ask Michael Jordan."Build from the defense up" meaning what ?
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Your post shows a complete ignorance of team sports. FYI - Michael Jordan was in the NBA for 7 years before he won his forst title because his Bulls couldnt compete with the better TEAMS in the East: the Celtics and Pistons. The Jordan rules were created to shut him down. It wasnt until the Bulls surrounded him with a better players (Grant, Pippen) then they started to win Championships.

The experts on this board really need to stop living through their daughters and move on...

Post 2 is just complete garbage cliche. Selfish play does not always result in a negative for a team , just ask Michael Jordan."Build from the defense up" meaning what ?
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Your post shows a complete ignorance of team sports. FYI - Michael Jordan was in the NBA for 7 years before he won his first title because his Bulls couldnt compete with the better TEAMS in the East: the Celtics and Pistons. The Jordan rules were created to shut him down. It wasnt until the Bulls surrounded him with a better players (Grant, Pippen) then they started to win Championships.

The experts on this board really need to stop living through their daughters and move on...

Michael Jordan? Really? Thanks for the input now go tell your daughter to go to goal.

Your post shows a complete ignorance of team sports. FYI - Michael Jordan was in the NBA for 7 years before he won his forst title because his Bulls couldnt compete with the better TEAMS in the East: the Celtics and Pistons. The Jordan rules were created to shut him down. It wasnt until the Bulls surrounded him with a better players (Grant, Pippen) then they started to win Championships.

The experts on this board really need to stop living through their daughters and move on...

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Your post shows a complete ignorance of team sports. FYI - Michael Jordan was in the NBA for 7 years before he won his forst title because his Bulls couldnt compete with the better TEAMS in the East: the Celtics and Pistons. The Jordan rules were created to shut him down. It wasnt until the Bulls surrounded him with a better players (Grant, Pippen) then they started to win Championships.

The experts on this board really need to stop living through their daughters and move on...

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Then he won I believe 6 titles , “ there are times in the game I know I have to be selfish if we plan on winning “ , a qoute from the man himself after winning his 5th title. Your ignorance of your own statements is commical as you try to change the narrative. No one said you only need one good player to win ,”selfish play will always result in a negative for the team” is your statement , its just ignorant .By the way the best player in the country had 8 goals today in a blowout win , watch the game , many of the goals she was dodging to the goal in what many would say is selfish play .