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Watchout for Loyola. Jen Adams and Dana Dobbie have a thing brewing down in Baltimore!!

Maryland
BC
UNC

in no particular order Loyolla, Hopkins, Florida, SBU, NW, JMU, Virginia

You can't have it both ways, either the list is accurate or it's not? We keep hearing that all the players on any given list are there because the evaluators and coaches who make the list can't all be wrong. Btw the Brown freshman awarded the best HS player in the country is #46 on IL list of incoming recruits, it would appear the somebody has to be wrong about the ranking, wouldn't it?

Here we go again.

To answer your question, No.

Nobody has ever come on here and said any list is "100% spot on". Every time this issue comes up it is brought up by someone trying to discredit the a list , an accolade, or a team while also trying to diminish the accomplishments.

Nobody says "they can't all be wrong". What has been stated is that: the large majority of players who are recruited by the top college programs, are listed by Inside Lacrosse as a Top 30 - 40 HS player, are selected as an Under Armour All-American etc... Do go on to have very successful college careers at many of the top programs.

Being the "Best" player is not the criteria for The U.S. Lacrosse National High School Player of The year Award.

True, Its given to the 46 ranked kid every year.

Where was the boys recipient ranked this year?

I will say it. They can’t all be wrong!
There are so many teams, awards, honors etc... And you see all kinds of names popping up here and there. Then there are the names you see everywhere, over and over, small groups of kids that really do seem to make all the top teams, cuts, lists, whatever. Yes, that very small group of reoccurring players in each age class that does get recognized any and everywhere, yeah, they can’t all be wrong.

He was ranked 34 as a young gun senior. Number 5 as an incoming freshmen. These lists are fluid.

Tom Brady went in the sixth round, Mike Piazza in the 62nd round - it looks like they were all wrong...

Nobody was wrong.

At the time they were not the best players. Over time they developed into great players. Many factors go into how a player develops, the team they play on, the system they are in, the position they play, the role they play for their team, the coaching they receive, how willing they are to adapt and change, how much time effort and work they put in during the off season and so on.

It is really sad how some on this site want so desperately for the players who are recognized ahead of your daughter, make certain lists or teams, go to better schools or programs to fail.

Pretty sure this topic was brought up again by someone trying to discredit the accolades and diminish the players and their accomplishments.

Tell your daughter to work as hard a Tom Brady did / does and say a prayer that she gets to play for a great coach. Tell her to be willing to adapt and change and work as hard a Mike Piazza did (oh yeah and you better hope that you are as connected as Mike's father was) in order to get a chance. Piazza was a good HS player not great. He went to The University of Miami and sat on the bench as a freshmen. He left Miami and went to a Jr College. HIs fathers childhood friend (Tommy Lasorda) drafted Piazza as a favor not because he was a great player at the time. Mike wasn't going to cut it in the minor leagues so Lasorda asked him to change positions and go to the Dominican Republic to hone his new craft. The rest is history.

The lists, teams and awards are a "snap shot in time" they are not the end all be all and they are not 100% spot on. BTW... do you really want to compare the success rate of 1st round draft selections Vs that of 62nd round selections. Didn't think so.

Let it go people, tell your daughters to continue to work, be willing to change and do what is best for her team. Maybe, just maybe she will improve and become a college All American and you can tell everyone... see I told you so my daughter is better than those other girls. Just remember, when that day comes many on this site will cry foul and say All-American selections are all political and that if you daughter played at Maryland she might not even get playing time. She only made AA because she plays weak competition and puts up crazy numbers. If she were at UNC she would be a second string defender.

completely agree that some 100% minute players at club level don't even make a UNC / Maryland roster let alone play. Look at the commitment pages of these clubs tons of girls going to Sacred Heart, Quinnipiac, Monmouth, Marist and ST Francis so they can 1, make the team, 2 actually get playing time.

And on the other point of getting better. SB players leave as better players than when they got there. In years past no names on way in and all americans and T watch players on way out

Many players at many programs leave as better players than when they went in.

Serious question. Are there any other head DI lacrosse coaches (men or women) who also coach a club team or MLL team on the side? I'm not sure where Spallina finds the time to coach his 91 teams, the Lizards and also be present at recruiting events on the girls side.

Don't know about other DI coaches but just about all of the people coaching club teams have full time jobs. Coaching a MLL team is also a part time gig ... less of a time commitment than coaching a HS or Jr high team.

Plenty of them Smith - Hofstra, Gait & Thorp - Cuse, Amonte - Northwestern, Myers - UVA , that's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many more. This trend is only going to continue to expand. The money they make combined with having unfiltered access to players is huge, for the aforementioned coaches their college coaching jobs are probably where they make the least amount of money

Should we post the list of Heisman trophy winners who were a complete bust in the NFL? Evaluators get it wrong all the time, in every sport there's a list of can't miss prospects who missed badly. You start by saying that nobody got it wrong and then you go on to give the reasons they all got it wrong

Those players didn’t deserve to be drafted any higher at the time. Yes they developed into great players later, but nobody got it wrong by not identifying what they would become. If you want to identify a player in the NFL where they did get it wrong look to the the players selected, not to the players not selected. Ryan Leaf for example and a million others. So obviously it is hard to predict how a player will perform at the next level, whatever sport and whatever that next level is.

SUNY D3 coaches make between $30-45k
Bing and Albany pay in the $70's
Stony Brook started at $114 and is now at $210k
All these coaches get to use their schools facilities for camps and clinics plus club ball so they can inflate their salaries without the school having to pay.

Middle of the road D1 coaches are between 40-80 on average from what I have read. Tough to pay the bills in many areas with that amount

What club team does Amonte and Myers coach respectively

Amonte Sports runs camps year round plus out of state ones

That wasn't the question. KAH runs about 8 camps a year. That's completely different than what Spallina does. Or Shannon Smith for that matter. Spallina also coaches for his daughter's YJ team on top of SB, 91 and the Lizards. Agree. Not sure how he finds the time.

same way CR does. He does a drive by and the assistant run most of it

Thanks for making up nonsense.

Amonte is Wildcat Elite and Myers is Cavalier lacrosse Club

Again just making up nonsense , which of the teams does Myers coach ? Exactly why do you think she has anything to do with this club , the name I suppose .

So much for the politics don’t play a role in the select teams , Spallina , Levy got a couple of their picks on the USTeam ,but to me it just means their were a few more deserving players left off . Got to give it to Spallina he takes a player and creates more hype than I have ever seen .

Go look on the website - http://www.fastbreaklacrosse.com/cavalier-lacrosse-club.html

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Who looked good at Manhasset at Hofstra ?
How about Towson . Very quiet out there when it was very noisy when the when everyone was involved in where teams were placed,

Crickets!

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If you use the senior Under Armour rosters as a proxy for this discussion, the Stonybrook side has a point. Since 2006 (13 years), 44 girls per year for a total of 572 players, Stonybrook has only had 2 players make the team (Taryn Ohlmiller 2016 and Shonly Wallace 2018). Below is each team that has had 10 or more UAAA since 2006 . Note Spallina there for 8 recruiting classes, Florida program had players starting in 2009 as their program was new and USC program is 7 years old. I am sure age of program and coaching changes impacted the totals for others as well. It also shows that some schools and coaches that get "the best players" make them into champions and others do not. I threw in JMU to show it can be done without "the best players", their 4 all graduated prior to last year's championship team. The UAAA site has all of the data, did my best to be accurate.


SCHOOL UAAA
Maryland 60
UNC 50
Virginia 47
Duke 42
Northwestern 37
Florida 33
Syracuse 33
Georgetown 33
Norte Dame 30
Princeton 22
Johns Hopkins 21
BC 19
Loyola 19
Penn State 14
Stanford 11
Harvard 11
Dartmouth 11
USC 10
Vanderbilt 10
Penn 10
James Madison 4
Stonybrook 2

I think the original post was regarding the fact that many, if not all, the schools listed above had little to no interest for the HS kids recruited by SB, the one's all over every IL/UA/Nike list, etc. and yet they put a very competitive product on the field. Reality is SB has little to no chance of recruiting against those schools and never will, but they seem to be doing just fine

Games today unwatchable on ESPN3. Terrible job trying to link sound, constant freezing etc. new style of play also unsatisfying, run and gun, choppy. No finesse just certain players taking tons of shots. Disappointing.

I tried watching but gave up. No sound, hten chppy sound, I just couldn't deal with the annoyance. You'd think ESPN would have better tech than that.

Nobody cares but the kids parents, not even ESPN. The hype peaked about two years ago. Club and college excitement is in a down cycle

Because the coach knows what he is doing. The girls can play and he can coach'em. Not really a secret!

Any thoughts on the Inside Lacrosse preseason top 25 rankings? I will start by saying Navy too high ( very good coach but the team is severely lacking in talent this year); Hopkins is way too low ( they are a better team this year and many of their losses last year were very close games ; Penn State too high . I would take MD and BC vs the field at this point .

Loyola, Syracuse, Navy, Penn State all too high