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Holdbacks/reclass/prefirst works for many as you stated above.

Does it work for all..of course not. But it does help good players who would be average on age become superstars in youth...Then a smaller advantage in High School over other good players as holdbacks are older. The holdback will never be better than true on age very good athletic player after puberty, but the holdback will be better than the many average to good players in lacrosse. Lets face it, Majority of players are average to good,,,basketball, football, Hockey,Baseball get the true superstar athletics, lacrosse gets a few of these and the rest are average good. And holding back helps all the way to college for these players. This issue wont go away, only get worst.

You are probably a Hawks dad trolling his own team.

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

Don’t worry Looney’s we will put up 15 next time we see you!!!

2022

All the teams looked unimpressive today.

All the teams looked unimpressive today.

Fall Ball... they weren't that impressive last fall either. The gap has been eliminated but they will still be very good. Guarantee they lose at least one HoCo game. Crabs!!

Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.

For those who think the holdback issue goes away during HS, you couldnt be any further off base. The hold back issue continues through College. if you have nephews or older children just compare how they are at 16/17 to what they are at 21/22 not the same person so yes players continue to mature both mentally and physically. Each year between 16-23 a male continues to grow, maybe not in Height but in things like strength absolutely!

A 19 year old freshman in fall ball is much different that a 17 year old. a 20 year Sophomore is much different than a 18 year freshman. Or better yet a 21 year old Jr is the same as a 21 year old Sr.

Holdbacks and pre-first will continue to have an advantage though college. I have an on age boy, he looks around at the boys a grade younger than him and just laughs, as most played with him when he was younger, some are even older than he is. All great athletes.

This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.

My on age son will get the same scholarship as your hold back son but you paid an extra $30,000 tuition.

Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.

^^^ Another guy who gets it. Or maybe just the same guy.

Because I love pigs.

Is it too soon to suggest that maybe the Hawks need to check out the Aloha Tournament website when selecting events for this summer?

Anyone who comes to this forum takes it seriously. You're sorely mistaken if you think the Hawks coaches don't take wins and losses seriously.

So what's up with the Hawks? Were their star players not there on Sunday? Did they lose kids in the offseason?

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Jealousy

Wishful thinking.

OUCH ! Thats a Low Blow !!

Why all the hate towards the Hawks? I know some of its just joking around and being funny (notice my name). I’m really starting to believe there is some ill will towards this team. Is it because they dominated HOCO last year because the year before they were not that good. Who knows how this spring will turn out. I just hope the players dont come on here and see how immature everyone is including my self. How did all the other teams do yesterday at the Maryland play day?

Same reason that last year the talk was all about the demise of the 2023 crabs. People love to see the team on top fall.

Every year the 8th grade teams get the big chatter. Holdbacks are a huge issue as it is still a big advantage. People are still in the youth mode, where they think it actually matters if your team wins or loses. Look at the 9th, 10th , 11th grade teams..Some chatter, but not much.

Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.

Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.

Well the Crabs did take a major step backwards last year from the prior two so that chatter was warranted and accurate. But that was because the entire midfield and coaching staff left. But they seems to have reloaded this year.

Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.[/quote

I am the Wife... you couldnt handle my bacon!!!

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Desperate and pathetic buyer beware.

Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).

madlax left off because the 2023 team BLEW UP...DC Dogs best hold back team EVER!!!! just ask their parents.

One: DC Dogs is NOT a N.VA team. May be Madlax but not N.VA they will mostly feed G.Town Prep. BW 2022 is mixed with 2023 and average. A few really strong players mixed with players from Evergreen. Should also list Evergreen on the list as this team is the feeder for BW. And that should tell you what you need to know.

There are at least 2 kids on dogs that are 2-year holdbacks

Have not played ACS

The original post said "DC area players." Not sure why the squabble about DC Dogs not being a N.VA team. Surely, DC Dogs is a "DC area" team.

But hit it on the head with the Evergreen to BW 2022 pipeline!!!! Confirmed that BW 2022 took half a dozen Evergreen 2022 kids which says it all. Except for one tall rangy mid, none of those Evergreen kids are very good.

Whats wrong with that..Gotta compete somehow ! Quit being so jealous of top talent

Zone D working out today?